HELP!!!

September 13, 2007

Does anybody know if you can flag a post because I want to keep an eye on this situation. Thanks for the info. aprildiamonds@... wrote: THANK YOU ALL. I have many irons in the fire an dhelp is in the works. I will let you all know what the out is. THANKS AGAIN! --------- ( ) HELP!!! I am new to this group and I hate to introduce myself with a problem but I need help. I am staying with a friend and she is letting me use her email. I like in County. My son is 13 and is in the 7th grade. We

moved her from Michigan. In his IEP from Michigan he received many servieces that the county has informed me over and over again that they don't do. I have asked for a Para-pro to be with him all day and to make sure he stays on task and help with behavior. The school said only as needed (what does that mean?) This school year we have had tow incidents; 1) in gym where he touched a young lady inappropreately and recently in science when he rubbed up against another young lady. I realize he is in puberty and I can't help that but I have spoken to him and asked the school yet again to help me. This last incident resulted in a suspention. I met with the school on Friday and was told he is now being charged with Sexual Battery. My head is spinning and a hearing has been set for this coming Thursday. I need help yesterday.

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Depends on the program you're using -- I use Thunderbird mail, and it

allows me to flag things with specific rules, one of them being sub

line words, etc.

jennifer pennington wrote:

Does anybody know if you can flag a post because I want to keep

an eye on this situation. Thanks for the info.

aprildiamondscomcast (DOT) net wrote:

THANK YOU ALL. I have many irons in the fire an dhelp is in

the works. I will let you all know what the out is.

THANKS AGAIN!

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From: "Roxanna" <madideaszoominternet (DOT) net>

You need to find

an advocate to help you sort out the problems. The county can't tell

you that they "don't do" a particular service. Service is based on

NEED of the child. So if he needs something, they need to provide it -

period. Obviously, since he is having problems in class, you are smart

to have asked for the aide. Since he is now being charged with "sexual

battery", you will have to sort all of that out but at the school, get

an "FBA" (functional behavior assessment" done so that you can make a

behavior plan and have someone with him at all times until he can

monitor his own behavior better. Do not stop until you get him what he

needs! Visit www.wrightslaw.com for more

information on your and your child's rights in the education process.

Roxanna

Autism Happens

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Subject:

( ) HELP!!!

I am new to this group and I hate to introduce myself with

a problem but I need help. I am staying with a friend and she is

letting me use her email.

I like in County. My son is 13 and is in the 7th

grade. We moved her from Michigan. In his IEP from Michigan he received

many servieces that the county has informed me over and over again that

they don't do. I have asked for a Para-pro to be with him all day and

to make sure he stays on task and help with behavior. The school said

only as needed (what does that mean?)

This school year we have had tow incidents; 1) in gym

where he touched a young lady inappropreately and recently in science

when he rubbed up against another young lady. I realize he is

in puberty and I can't help that but I have spoken to him and asked

the school yet again to help me. This last incident resulted in a

suspention.

I met with the school on Friday and was told he is now

being charged with Sexual Battery. My head is spinning and a hearing

has been set for this coming Thursday. I need help yesterday.

Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join

's user panel and lay it on us.

September 14, 2007

Donna, Is there a fee for downloading thunderbird mail? Donna B <donnabzy@...> wrote: Depends on the program you're using -- I use Thunderbird mail, and it allows me to flag things with specific rules, one of them being sub line words, etc. jennifer pennington wrote: Does anybody know if you can flag a post because I want to keep an eye on this situation. Thanks for the info. aprildiamondscomcast (DOT) net wrote: THANK YOU ALL. I have many irons in the fire an dhelp is in the works. I will let you all know what the out is. THANKS AGAIN! --------- ( ) HELP!!! I am new to this group and I hate to

introduce myself with a problem but I need help. I am staying with a friend and she is letting me use her email. I like in County. My son is 13 and is in the 7th grade. We moved her from Michigan. In his IEP from Michigan he received many servieces that the county has informed me over and over again that they don't do. I have asked for a Para-pro to be with him all day and to make sure he stays on task and help with behavior. The school said only as needed (what does that mean?) This school year we have had tow incidents; 1) in gym where he touched a young lady inappropreately and recently in science when he rubbed up against another young lady. I realize he is in puberty and I can't help that but I have spoken to him and asked the school yet again to help me. This last incident resulted in a suspention. I met with the school on Friday and was told he is now being charged with Sexual Battery. My

head is spinning and a hearing has been set for this coming Thursday. I need help yesterday. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us.

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i have it thunderbird and i never had to pay a thing. brandiRose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: Donna, Is there a fee for downloading thunderbird mail? Donna B <donnabzygmail> wrote: Depends on the program you're using -- I use Thunderbird mail, and it allows me to flag things with specific rules, one of them being sub line words, etc.

jennifer pennington wrote: Does anybody know if you can flag a post because I want to keep an eye on this situation. Thanks for the info. aprildiamondscomcast (DOT) net wrote: THANK YOU ALL. I have many irons in the fire an dhelp is in the works. I will let you all know what the out is. THANKS AGAIN! --------- ( ) HELP!!! I am new to this group and I hate to introduce myself with a problem but I need help. I am staying with a friend and she is letting me use her email. I like in County. My son is 13 and is in the 7th grade. We moved her from Michigan. In his IEP from Michigan he received many servieces that the county has informed me over and over again that they don't do. I have asked for a Para-pro to be with him all day and to make sure he stays on task and help with behavior. The school said only as needed (what does that mean?) This school year we have had tow incidents; 1) in gym where he touched a young lady inappropreately and recently in science when he rubbed up against another young lady. I realize he is

in puberty and I can't help that but I have spoken to him and asked the school yet again to help me. This last incident resulted in a suspention. I met with the school on Friday and was told he is now being charged with Sexual Battery. My head is spinning and a hearing has been set for this coming Thursday. I need help yesterday. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us.

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sounds great. thanks Gratton <brandigratton@...> wrote: i have it thunderbird and i never had to pay a thing. brandiRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Donna, Is there a fee for downloading thunderbird mail? Donna B <donnabzygmail> wrote: Depends on the program you're using -- I use Thunderbird mail, and it allows me to flag things with specific rules, one of them being sub line words, etc. jennifer pennington wrote: Does anybody know if you can flag a post because I want to keep an eye on this situation. Thanks for the info. aprildiamondscomcast (DOT) net wrote: THANK YOU ALL. I have many irons in the fire an dhelp is in the works. I will let you all know what the out is. THANKS AGAIN! --------- ( ) HELP!!! I am new to this group and I hate to introduce myself with a problem but I need help. I am staying with a friend and she is letting me use her email. I like in County. My son is 13 and is in the 7th grade. We moved her from Michigan. In his IEP from Michigan he received many servieces that the county has informed me over and over again that they don't do. I have asked for a Para-pro to be with him all day and to make sure he stays on task and help with behavior. The school said

only as needed (what does that mean?) This school year we have had tow incidents; 1) in gym where he touched a young lady inappropreately and recently in science when he rubbed up against another young lady. I realize he is in puberty and I can't help that but I have spoken to him and asked the school yet again to help me. This last incident resulted in a suspention. I met with the school on Friday and was told he is now being charged with Sexual Battery. My head is spinning and a hearing has been set for this coming Thursday. I need help yesterday. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and

lay it on us. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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September 14, 2007

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/

It's free...it's really similar to Outlook Express and has some great

options.

Rose wrote:

Donna,

Is there a fee for downloading thunderbird mail?

Donna B <donnabzygmail> wrote:

Depends on the program you're using -- I use Thunderbird mail,

and it allows me to flag things with specific rules, one of them being

sub line words, etc.

jennifer pennington wrote:

Does anybody know if you can flag a post because I want to

keep an eye on this situation. Thanks for the info.

aprildiamondscomcast (DOT) net wrote:

THANK YOU ALL. I have many irons in the fire an dhelp is

in the works. I will let you all know what the out is.

THANKS AGAIN!

September 14, 2007

thanks again Donna, when and if my migraine ever goes away, I'll download this.Donna B <donnabzy@...> wrote: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/It's free...it's really similar to Outlook Express and has some great options.Rose wrote: Donna, Is there a fee for downloading thunderbird mail? Donna B

<donnabzygmail> wrote: Depends on the program you're using -- I use Thunderbird mail, and it allows me to flag things with specific rules, one of them being sub line words, etc. jennifer pennington wrote: Does anybody know if you can flag a post because I want to keep an eye on this situation. Thanks for the info. aprildiamondscomcast (DOT) net wrote: THANK YOU ALL. I have many irons in the fire an dhelp is in the works. I will let you all know what the out is. THANKS

AGAIN!

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February 8, 2008

The other day my son's teacher told me he said that " the buzzing "

hurt his ears. One day he told her ducks were following him.

YIKES! I talked to him and he said he didn't know what she was

talking about with the ducks. Who knows, it could have been a one

time thing but we'll all keeping watching. I, personally, think our

kids have VERY active imaginations and surely aren't possessed. The

buzzing? Well, that was his way of explaining all of the noise in

the school commons area. In his classroom, it's his way of

explaining the flourescent lights. There's usually a perfectly

reasonable explaination, we just can't over worry eveything. I can

relate with being unsure of talking to just any doctor about it as

you don't want them to over react but I would document these

instances for a while and go from there. Sorry, no great advice. I

don't think you're completely alone with this topic though!

Noel

>

> Hi,

> I am hoping that maybe some of you can help me understand what is

> going on with my daughter and how to help her. She has been

> experiencing some things that really concern me and I don't know how

> to approach it with her non-LDS Dr. She had been having experiences

> with evil spirits talking to her, telling her things that are wrong,

> hurting her feelings. I just came from her room, she was up there

> bawling because of an experience she had tonight in this area. Are

> children with this condition more susceptible to this kind of

thing?

> I'm afraid of talking to her Dr. about it because I don't want him

to

> think she's schizophrenic and hearing voices. And then giving her

> another diagonsis(on top of the others she has already)and putting

her

> on yet another medication. I feel that what she shares with me is

> true, these things are not just voices in her head. It seems they

> take advantage of her loneliness. I'm hoping you all won't think

I'm

> crazy. I'm appealing to you, hoping that with the commonality of

the

> gospel, you may shed some light on this for me. And I guess if I am

> crazy, I'll face that too.

> Thanks for all you share with the group,

> Randelyn

>

February 8, 2008

What is a "non-LDS doctor?"

If she is hearing voices, you need to seek help for her. It could mean she would need to take medication. But I would venture a guess that that is a small price to pay to help her gain control of herself again. At least it is IMO. I'm not sure what the problem with meds is - are you against them overall or is she taking some meds now and you don't want to add more to the list? If it's the latter, you definitely need to see the doc. The current meds could be causing the problem or it could be that by switching meds, it could take care of this problem plus whatever issues have her on the current meds.

If it's a general something against meds overall, I would just say that if she had a physical problem, you would not hesitate to use medication. For instance, if she was diabetic or if she broke her leg and needed antibiotics. Mental health is just as important as physical health.

I understand you believe her - I am not sure what that means exactly. You believe she is hearing voices? You believe the voices are real to her? I don't doubt that they are. I think it's better to find out exactly what is going on than to sit around worrying and guessing. The doc "might" dx something else but he might not. We don't know until we go and find out. Then you can deal with whatever is going on. Right now, you can't deal with it because you don't know what "it" is. Without solid information, you can't really help her deal with it and you can't deal with it either.

RoxannaAutism Happens

( ) HELP!!!

Hi,I am hoping that maybe some of you can help me understand what isgoing on with my daughter and how to help her. She has beenexperiencing some things that really concern me and I don't know howto approach it with her non-LDS Dr. She had been having experienceswith evil spirits talking to her, telling her things that are wrong,hurting her feelings. I just came from her room, she was up therebawling because of an experience she had tonight in this area. Arechildren with this condition more susceptible to this kind of thing? I'm afraid of talking to her Dr. about it because I don't want him tothink she's schizophrenic and hearing voices. And then giving heranother diagonsis(on top of the others she has already)and putting heron yet another medication. I feel that what she shares with me istrue, these things are not just voices in her head. It seems theytake advantage of her loneliness. I'm hoping you all won't think I'mcrazy. I'm appealing to you, hoping that with the commonality of thegospel, you may shed some light on this for me. And I guess if I amcrazy, I'll face that too.Thanks for all you share with the group,Randelyn

February 8, 2008

My mom says that when I was in elementary school, I would have trouble acting out, particularly after lunch. I would tell my parents and the teacher things like there were bugs in my hair, there were ants under my scalp, there was screaming in my head, somebody was poking me (no one was poking me), and more. It turns out that I had an undiagnosed dairy allergy and was having troubles that basically equate to neurons misfiring (making my senses receive nonexistent or incorrect messages), with it being worse after lunch because of having so much dairy in the average cafeteria lunch (good for the average kid, horrible for a kid with a dairy allergy). Once the dairy allergy was diagnosed years later and the dairy was removed from my diet, all of these sensory problems stopped. By the time I was diagnosed at age 12, I was doing things like asking who was in the family room because I thought I heard voices from down there, which actually was the buzzing kind of noise in my ears. My parents were starting to wonder what planet I had dropped in from. Why don't you try keeping a journal that tracks when your daughter has these behaviors, how she explains/describes them, and if anything eased the behavior? You might be able to find a pattern that will help you. Also, if you are a religious family, "evil spirits" might just be her explanation because she's trying to relate the unknown to the known. For me, the buzzing that sounded like the murmur of people talking was equated to visitors because we often had family or friends visiting in our house, but your daughter might take that same exact buzzing and relate it to something religious because that is her knowledge base.

The other day my son's teacher told me he said that "the buzzing" hurt his ears. One day he told her ducks were following him. YIKES! I talked to him and he said he didn't know what she was talking about with the ducks. Who knows, it could have been a one time thing but we'll all keeping watching. I, personally, think our kids have VERY active imaginations and surely aren't possessed. The buzzing? Well, that was his way of explaining all of the noise in the school commons area. In his classroom, it's his way of explaining the flourescent lights. There's usually a perfectly reasonable explaination, we just can't over worry eveything.

..

February 8, 2008

Hi...I would look at the meds she is on right now. Toxic overload or side effects can do some interesting things to the brain.I do believe that negative spirits can take advantage of negativity people might be harboring or experiencing. I have not personally experienced this myself thankfully. You could consider the following info I just googled. The advice here will not harm anything and would be good to do while you try to figure out the whole picture:

http://www.yoni.com/healerf/smudge.shtmlhttp://www.fourgates.com/ghost.aspIF there are negative energies surrounding your daughter, you need to explain to her that they feed off fear, anger and sadness. She should know that they are powerless against her. I wouldn't go into this too much because if she is having schizophrenic symptoms (and it should be taken as a serious possibility) her emotional state might worsen. I would be sure to calmly ask questions about what the voices are saying to be sure she is not a threat to herself or to your family due to these voices.

Jen :)PS. I won't think you're crazy if you don't think I am!

February 8, 2008

Hi Randelyn: Are you involved with a church/synagoge, and if so, have you spoke with your pastor/priest/minister about this. You are probably right in not bringing it up to your psychologist at this time (unless they believe in the spiritual realm), but this IS a spiritual issue, and not a physical one. Wishing you the best and I'll add your family in my prayers!! Jo T. missymomommy <missymomommy@...> wrote: Hi,I am hoping that maybe some of you can help me understand what isgoing on with my daughter and how to help her. She has beenexperiencing some things that really concern me and I don't know howto approach it with her non-LDS Dr. She had been having experienceswith evil spirits talking to her, telling her things that are wrong,hurting her feelings. I just came from her room, she was up therebawling because of an experience she had tonight in this area. Arechildren with this condition more susceptible to this kind of thing? I'm afraid of talking to her Dr. about it because I don't want him tothink she's schizophrenic and hearing voices. And then giving heranother diagonsis(on top of the others she has already)and putting heron yet another medication. I feel that what she shares with me istrue, these things are not just voices in her head. It seems theytake advantage of her loneliness. I'm hoping

you all won't think I'mcrazy. I'm appealing to you, hoping that with the commonality of thegospel, you may shed some light on this for me. And I guess if I amcrazy, I'll face that too.Thanks for all you share with the group,Randelyn

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February 8, 2008

I’m LDS myself, and I do

believe in spiritual realm, but ask yourself why are the bad spirits the only one’s

talking to her? We know there are good spirits, I would be concerned about this

especially if only bad spirits continue having conversations with her. Wait and

monitor this, and talk to her and tell her that your going to take her to a doctor,

if only the bad spirits talk to her, tell her that the doctor knows how to make

them be nice. Preserve the trust she is showing in you at all costs, it’s

a good thing and you can be in a excellent position to help her.

sincerely

Joyce

What

we do in this life, echo's in Eternity

Maximus Decimus Baridius

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jo T.

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008

5:03 PM

Subject: Re: ( )

HELP!!!

Hi Randelyn:

Are you involved with a church/synagoge, and if so, have you spoke

with your pastor/priest/minister about this. You are

probably right

in not bringing it up to your psychologist at this time (unless they

believe in the spiritual realm), but this IS a spiritual issue, and not

a

physical one.

Wishing you the best and I'll add your family in my prayers!!

Jo T.

missymomommy

<missymomommy > wrote:

Hi,

I am hoping that maybe some of you can help me understand what is

going on with my daughter and how to help her. She has been

experiencing some things that really concern me and I don't know how

to approach it with her non-LDS Dr. She had been having experiences

with evil spirits talking to her, telling her things that are wrong,

hurting her feelings. I just came from her room, she was up there

bawling because of an experience she had tonight in this area. Are

children with this condition more susceptible to this kind of thing?

I'm afraid of talking to her Dr. about it because I don't want him to

think she's schizophrenic and hearing voices. And then giving her

another diagonsis(on top of the others she has already)and putting her

on yet another medication. I feel that what she shares with me is

true, these things are not just voices in her head. It seems they

take advantage of her loneliness. I'm hoping you all won't think I'm

crazy. I'm appealing to you, hoping that with the commonality of the

gospel, you may shed some light on this for me. And I guess if I am

crazy, I'll face that too.

Thanks for all you share with the group,

Randelyn

Never miss a thing. Make

your homepage.

February 8, 2008

Hi Jo T. I have a question. What do you mean that it is a spiritual issue and not a phusical one? (I hope you don't mind me asking.......I'm not trying to be rude). Robin"Jo T." <jort2001@...> wrote: Hi Randelyn: Are you involved with a church/synagoge, and if so, have you spoke with your pastor/priest/minister about this. You are probably right in not bringing it up to your psychologist at this time (unless they believe

in the spiritual realm), but this IS a spiritual issue, and not a physical one. Wishing you the best and I'll add your family in my prayers!! Jo T. missymomommy <missymomommy > wrote: Hi,I am hoping that maybe some of you can help me understand what isgoing on with my daughter and how to help her. She has beenexperiencing some things that really concern me and I don't know howto approach it with her non-LDS Dr. She had been having experienceswith evil spirits talking to her, telling her things that are wrong,hurting her feelings. I just came from her room, she was up therebawling because of an experience she had tonight in this area. Arechildren with this condition more susceptible to this kind of thing? I'm afraid

of talking to her Dr. about it because I don't want him tothink she's schizophrenic and hearing voices. And then giving heranother diagonsis(on top of the others she has already)and putting heron yet another medication. I feel that what she shares with me istrue, these things are not just voices in her head. It seems theytake advantage of her loneliness. I'm hoping you all won't think I'mcrazy. I'm appealing to you, hoping that with the commonality of thegospel, you may shed some light on this for me. And I guess if I amcrazy, I'll face that too.Thanks for all you share with the group,Randelyn Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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February 8, 2008

That was my initial impression from the letter - that evil spirits were speaking to the child. If this is a religious family, then I feel it should be a minister who handles the situation initially .... if he deems that the situation is more of a physical/psychological issue, then she can go from there .... and hopefully without prejudice. Unfortunately, if this mom starts out with a Psych., the psych. may be more apt. to place a "label" on this child and be bias in his/her determination. Again, my personal thoughts .... This mom asked for advice, we all gave it, and what I initially wrote was the first thing that came to me. In the Bible (sorry if I'm being inappropriate) - we are told that "our battle is not against flesh & blood, but against evil ......" (talking

about the spiritual, not physical, realm.) J. and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: Hi Jo T. I have a question. What do you mean that it is a spiritual issue and not a phusical one? (I hope you don't mind me asking.......I'm not trying to be rude). Robin"Jo T." <jort2001 > wrote: Hi

Randelyn: Are you involved with a church/synagoge, and if so, have you spoke with your pastor/priest/minister about this. You are probably right in not bringing it up to your psychologist at this time (unless they believe in the spiritual realm), but this IS a spiritual issue, and not a physical one. Wishing you the best and I'll add your family in my prayers!! Jo T. missymomommy <missymomommy > wrote: Hi,I am hoping that maybe some of you can help me understand what isgoing on with my daughter and how to help her. She has beenexperiencing some things that really concern me and I don't know howto approach it with her non-LDS Dr. She had been having experienceswith evil

spirits talking to her, telling her things that are wrong,hurting her feelings. I just came from her room, she was up therebawling because of an experience she had tonight in this area. Arechildren with this condition more susceptible to this kind of thing? I'm afraid of talking to her Dr. about it because I don't want him tothink she's schizophrenic and hearing voices. And then giving heranother diagonsis(on top of the others she has already)and putting heron yet another medication. I feel that what she shares with me istrue, these things are not just voices in her head. It seems theytake advantage of her loneliness. I'm hoping you all won't think I'mcrazy. I'm appealing to you, hoping that with the commonality of thegospel, you may shed some light on this for me. And I guess if I amcrazy, I'll face that too.Thanks for all you share with the group,Randelyn Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.

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Hi. I didn't think you were inappropriate at all!!!!I was just wondering. It's very interesting and controversial, I'm sure. BUt,,,,,,faith can move mountains, right? Thanks for replying. Robin"Jo T." <jort2001@...> wrote: That was my initial impression from the letter - that evil spirits were speaking to the child. If this is a religious family, then I feel it should be a minister who handles the situation initially .... if he deems that the situation is more of a physical/psychological issue, then she can go from there .... and hopefully without prejudice. Unfortunately, if this mom starts out with a Psych., the psych. may be more apt. to place a "label" on this child and be bias in his/her determination. Again, my personal thoughts .... This mom asked for advice, we all gave it, and what I initially wrote was the first thing that came to me. In the Bible (sorry if I'm being inappropriate) - we are told that "our battle is not against flesh & blood, but against evil ......" (talking about the spiritual, not physical, realm.) J. and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Hi Jo T. I have a question. What do you mean that it is a spiritual issue and not a phusical one? (I hope you don't mind me asking.......I'm not trying to be rude). Robin"Jo T." <jort2001 > wrote: Hi Randelyn: Are you involved with a church/synagoge, and if so, have you spoke with your pastor/priest/minister about this. You are probably right in not bringing it up to your psychologist at this time (unless they believe in the spiritual realm), but this IS a spiritual issue, and not a physical one. Wishing you the best and I'll add your family in my prayers!! Jo T. missymomommy

<missymomommy > wrote: Hi,I am hoping that maybe some of you can help me understand what isgoing on with my daughter and how to help her. She has beenexperiencing some things that really concern me and I don't know howto approach it with her non-LDS Dr. She had been having experienceswith evil spirits talking to her, telling her things that are wrong,hurting her feelings. I just came from her room, she was up therebawling because of an experience she had tonight in this area. Arechildren with this condition more susceptible to this kind of thing? I'm afraid of talking to her Dr. about it because I don't want him tothink she's schizophrenic and hearing voices. And then giving heranother diagonsis(on top of the others she has already)and putting heron yet another medication. I feel that what she shares

with me istrue, these things are not just voices in her head. It seems theytake advantage of her loneliness. I'm hoping you all won't think I'mcrazy. I'm appealing to you, hoping that with the commonality of thegospel, you may shed some light on this for me. And I guess if I amcrazy, I'll face that too.Thanks for all you share with the group,Randelyn Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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February 8, 2008

No problem, Robin ... You're up pretty late, eh? Night owl too? How about your kids? My husband works nights, and my son & I love to stay up late and sleep in! Not a good habit to get in to, tho'! Night, Jo and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: Hi. I didn't think you were inappropriate at all!!!!I was just wondering. It's very interesting and controversial, I'm

sure. BUt,,,,,,faith can move mountains, right? Thanks for replying. Robin"Jo T." <jort2001 > wrote: That was my initial impression from the letter - that evil spirits were speaking to the child. If this is a religious family, then I feel it should be a minister who handles the situation initially .... if he deems that the situation is more of a physical/psychological issue, then she can go from there .... and hopefully without prejudice. Unfortunately, if this mom starts out with a Psych., the psych. may be more apt. to place a "label" on this child and be bias in his/her determination. Again, my personal thoughts .... This mom asked

for advice, we all gave it, and what I initially wrote was the first thing that came to me. In the Bible (sorry if I'm being inappropriate) - we are told that "our battle is not against flesh & blood, but against evil ......" (talking about the spiritual, not physical, realm.) J. and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Hi Jo T. I have a question. What do you mean that it is a spiritual issue and not a phusical one? (I hope you don't mind me asking.......I'm not trying to be rude). Robin"Jo T." <jort2001 > wrote: Hi Randelyn: Are you involved with a church/synagoge, and if so, have you spoke with your pastor/priest/minister about this. You are probably right in not bringing it up to your psychologist at this time (unless they believe in the spiritual realm), but this IS a spiritual issue, and not a physical one. Wishing you the best and I'll add your family in my prayers!! Jo T. missymomommy <missymomommy > wrote: Hi,I am hoping that maybe some of you can help me understand what isgoing on with my daughter and how to help her. She has beenexperiencing some things that really concern me and I don't know howto approach it with her non-LDS Dr. She had been having experienceswith evil spirits talking to

her, telling her things that are wrong,hurting her feelings. I just came from her room, she was up therebawling because of an experience she had tonight in this area. Arechildren with this condition more susceptible to this kind of thing? I'm afraid of talking to her Dr. about it because I don't want him tothink she's schizophrenic and hearing voices. And then giving heranother diagonsis(on top of the others she has already)and putting heron yet another medication. I feel that what she shares with me istrue, these things are not just voices in her head. It seems theytake advantage of her loneliness. I'm hoping you all won't think I'mcrazy. I'm appealing to you, hoping that with the commonality of thegospel, you may shed some light on this for me. And I guess if I amcrazy, I'll face that too.Thanks for all you share with the group,Randelyn Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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February 9, 2008

Unfortunately, even religious families need help from a psychologist/psychiatrist and whether you believe in spirits or not, you can have a mental illness that needs the help and advice of a real doctor. I don't understand what the big problem is to "place a label" on a child anyway. If the child needs help, they need help. You can call it evil spirits (also a label, btw) or overactive thinking or schizophrenia - it's all just words used to appropriately help the child. Not all ministers have appropriate education in mental illness so I would not go there first without being sure my minister was someone who has a degree in mental evaluation. It's the difference between seeing someone who can comfort you and seeing someone who can provide answers and help solve the problem - kind of like if you broke your arm and instead of seeing a medical doctor, you go to an OT. They can probably come up with some ideas for you and ways to comfort your arm, but they do not have the education and necessary equipement to solve the actual problem.

It is a common problem in education for the staff to suggest you not "label" the child in an effort to get out of providing appropriate services. They play on a parent's reluctance to admit something is wrong with their child. I think this is the same issue entirely - fear of labeling a child means you won't go and get appropriate services. And what is the fear from? I think it is always better to work from solid facts so you can make the best decisions instead of wondering or guessing or hoping (or praying.) All of that helps, but it doesn't solve the problem.

Also, it is not unheard of for kids with AS to have problems hearing voices in that they think so "loudly" and start to obsess about it and before you know it, they say they hear voices. A good doctor would be able to help figure out what the problem is and provide appropriate help.

RoxannaAutism Happens

Re: ( ) HELP!!!

That was my initial impression from the letter -

that evil spirits were speaking to the child.

If this is a religious family, then I feel it should

be a minister who handles the situation initially ....

if he deems that the situation is more of a

physical/psychological issue, then she can go

from there .... and hopefully without prejudice.

Unfortunately, if this mom starts out with a Psych.,

the psych. may be more apt. to place a "label"

on this child and be bias in his/her determination.

Again, my personal thoughts ....

This mom asked for advice, we all gave it, and

what I initially wrote was the first thing that came to me.

In the Bible (sorry if I'm being inappropriate) - we are told

that "our battle is not against flesh & blood, but against

evil ......" (talking about the spiritual, not physical, realm.)

J.

and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote:

Hi Jo T.

I have a question.

What do you mean that it is a spiritual issue and not a phusical one?

(I hope you don't mind me asking.......I'm not trying to be rude).

Robin"Jo T." <jort2001 > wrote:

Hi Randelyn:

Are you involved with a church/synagoge, and if so, have you spoke

with your pastor/priest/minister about this. You are probably right

in not bringing it up to your psychologist at this time (unless they

believe in the spiritual realm), but this IS a spiritual issue, and not a

physical one.

Wishing you the best and I'll add your family in my prayers!!

Jo T.

missymomommy <missymomommy > wrote:

Hi,I am hoping that maybe some of you can help me understand what isgoing on with my daughter and how to help her. She has beenexperiencing some things that really concern me and I don't know howto approach it with her non-LDS Dr. She had been having experienceswith evil spirits talking to her, telling her things that are wrong,hurting her feelings. I just came from her room, she was up therebawling because of an experience she had tonight in this area. Arechildren with this condition more susceptible to this kind of thing? I'm afraid of talking to her Dr. about it because I don't want him tothink she's schizophrenic and hearing voices. And then giving heranother diagonsis(on top of the others she has already)and putting heron yet another medication. I feel that what she shares with me istrue, these things are not just voices in her head. It seems theytake advantage of her loneliness. I'm hoping you all won't think I'mcrazy. I'm appealing to you, hoping that with the commonality of thegospel, you may shed some light on this for me. And I guess if I amcrazy, I'll face that too.Thanks for all you share with the group,Randelyn

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February 10, 2008

Jo. I don't know if I'm a night owl.......I guess I'd prefer to get to sleep. But,,,,,once I get in bed and turn on the tv....I find too much that interests me. Hee hee. I love getting up in the morning ALONE.....so I usually find myself really tired....ha. My kids have that in their blood, too. The boys and gals have a tv in their room, but they can't watch movies during the week. Cause they'd be up, like me. I let them on the weekend, but then they usually want to camp out in the living room. Who knows? Hee hee. Robin"Jo T." <jort2001@...> wrote: No problem, Robin ... You're up pretty late, eh? Night owl too? How about your kids? My husband works nights, and my son & I love to stay up late and sleep in! Not a good habit to get in to, tho'! Night, Jo and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Hi. I didn't think you were inappropriate at all!!!!I was just wondering. It's very interesting and controversial, I'm sure. BUt,,,,,,faith can move mountains, right? Thanks for replying. Robin"Jo T." <jort2001 >

wrote: That was my initial impression from the letter - that evil spirits were speaking to the child. If this is a religious family, then I feel it should be a minister who handles the situation initially .... if he deems that the situation is more of a physical/psychological issue, then she can go from there .... and hopefully without prejudice. Unfortunately, if this mom starts out with a Psych., the psych. may be more apt. to place a "label" on this child and be bias in his/her determination. Again, my personal thoughts .... This mom asked for advice, we all gave it, and what I initially wrote was the first thing that came to me. In the Bible (sorry if I'm being inappropriate) - we are

told that "our battle is not against flesh & blood, but against evil ......" (talking about the spiritual, not physical, realm.) J. and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Hi Jo T. I have a question. What do you mean that it is a spiritual issue and not a phusical one? (I hope you don't mind me asking.......I'm not trying to be rude). Robin"Jo T." <jort2001 > wrote: Hi Randelyn: Are you involved with a church/synagoge, and if so, have you spoke with your pastor/priest/minister about this. You are probably right in

not bringing it up to your psychologist at this time (unless they believe in the spiritual realm), but this IS a spiritual issue, and not a physical one. Wishing you the best and I'll add your family in my prayers!! Jo T. missymomommy <missymomommy > wrote: Hi,I am hoping that maybe some of you can help me understand what isgoing on with my daughter and how to help her. She has beenexperiencing some things that really concern me and I don't know howto approach it with her non-LDS Dr. She had been having experienceswith evil spirits talking to her, telling her things that are wrong,hurting her feelings. I just came from her room, she was up therebawling because of an experience she had tonight in this area.

Arechildren with this condition more susceptible to this kind of thing? I'm afraid of talking to her Dr. about it because I don't want him tothink she's schizophrenic and hearing voices. And then giving heranother diagonsis(on top of the others she has already)and putting heron yet another medication. I feel that what she shares with me istrue, these things are not just voices in her head. It seems theytake advantage of her loneliness. I'm hoping you all won't think I'mcrazy. I'm appealing to you, hoping that with the commonality of thegospel, you may shed some light on this for me. And I guess if I amcrazy, I'll face that too.Thanks for all you share with the group,Randelyn Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.

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May 11, 2009

Sounds like something got stirred up- could be yeast and/or nasty bacteria. If

possible, I would cut back on sugars and starches, add in more anti-yeast and

other anti-microbial stuff (OOO, OLE). Maybe do a stool sample if you are

inclined to test? If you think it may be a reaction to the medication (my NT

son has had extreme reactions to the phenols or amines in medication), we had

very good luck with a product from BrainChild called IntestiMend. It would

immediately stop a serious phenol reaction.

This sounds to me like an issue of gut flora being disrupted by the antibiotic.

Also make sure you are giving a powerful probiotic too. BTW, Diflucan doesn't

always get all the yeast, or even most of it, so I wouldn't count on it solely.

-Sierra

>

> Okay,

>

> I have written about this before, and we just do not know what to do, My 5yr

old has been on GF/CF-over a year, & /EF/phenol free diet now since January.

she had to go on keflex antibiotics, due to a red bullet she got from a tick

bite, from day 1 on the keflex she was wild. Our Dan thinks it is from the

cornstarch in the tablet, WEgave her diflucan the entire 3 weeks required to be

on Keflex. SHe came off of the antibiotic last tuesday, and is on Diflucan

solely with all her other supplements. And Oh My Gosh, I have not seen her

this wild since before we started teh GF?CF and all her supplements over a year

ago.

>

> WE cannot go anywhere she is so wild, not even church, I've had to keep her

home from pre-school. Running around all over the place, hitting people, sassy

back talk, throwing stuff at our dog, it is awful... Major safety issues, my

9yr old son is so depressed and hiding in his room, and our dog is sick over

it, she is so wild and making us all crazy. What can we do? Is this major

die-off? what else can we do to get this out of her, she cannot swallow

tablets yet.

>

> Jen

>

May 12, 2009

WE have the OOO and OLE here, but cannot get it in her. It tastes awful,

and she cannot swallow capsule or pillls. My 9yr old just learned and they

both have a bad gag reflux, so how else can I Get it in her...

Jen

Re: Help!!!

> Sounds like something got stirred up- could be yeast and/or nasty

> bacteria. If possible, I would cut back on sugars and starches, add in

> more anti-yeast and other anti-microbial stuff (OOO, OLE). Maybe do a

> stool sample if you are inclined to test? If you think it may be a

> reaction to the medication (my NT son has had extreme reactions to the

> phenols or amines in medication), we had very good luck with a product

> from BrainChild called IntestiMend. It would immediately stop a serious

> phenol reaction.

>

> This sounds to me like an issue of gut flora being disrupted by the

> antibiotic. Also make sure you are giving a powerful probiotic too. BTW,

> Diflucan doesn't always get all the yeast, or even most of it, so I

> wouldn't count on it solely.

>

> -Sierra

>

>>

>> Okay,

>>

>> I have written about this before, and we just do not know what to do,

>> My 5yr old has been on GF/CF-over a year, & /EF/phenol free diet now

>> since January. she had to go on keflex antibiotics, due to a red

>> bullet she got from a tick bite, from day 1 on the keflex she was wild.

>> Our Dan thinks it is from the cornstarch in the tablet, WEgave her

>> diflucan the entire 3 weeks required to be on Keflex. SHe came off of

>> the antibiotic last tuesday, and is on Diflucan solely with all her other

>> supplements. And Oh My Gosh, I have not seen her this wild since before

>> we started teh GF?CF and all her supplements over a year ago.

>>

>> WE cannot go anywhere she is so wild, not even church, I've had to keep

>> her home from pre-school. Running around all over the place, hitting

>> people, sassy back talk, throwing stuff at our dog, it is awful...

>> Major safety issues, my 9yr old son is so depressed and hiding in his

>> room, and our dog is sick over it, she is so wild and making us all

>> crazy. What can we do? Is this major die-off? what else can we do to

>> get this out of her, she cannot swallow tablets yet.

>>

>> Jen

>>

May 12, 2009

you can get OOO in liquid and apply it to her feet, or put in in spaghetti

sauce. Thats how we did that, I am sure others can help with the OLE. HTH

Blessings, Conrad

In , " thesweetattack " <thesweetattack@...>

wrote:

>

> WE have the OOO and OLE here, but cannot get it in her. It tastes awful,

> and she cannot swallow capsule or pillls. My 9yr old just learned and they

> both have a bad gag reflux, so how else can I Get it in her...

>

> Jen

> ----- Original Message -----

> From

May 12, 2009

get her on a high dose Liquid mulit vitamin mineral formula for children from

your Doc. a.s.a.p.; the girl is suffering from nutional deficiencies which are

affecting your chil'd mind; begin to add things to her bdiet in terms og healthy

food and liquid muli vitamins.