Re: Introducing my son Matt and an update/report on Nutriiveda

December 18, 2009

Hi Lori and thank you so much for your update as well! I know exactly how you

feel because Tanner's sensory dysfunction is mainly in touch/pain as he doesn't

feel it like everyone else. So imagine how weird I sounded being all excited

back when Tanner stubbed his toe and it hurt him...just like you I was " no you

don't understand, Tanner typically wouldn't even notice he stubbed his toe,

He's in pain now but he should be so that's normal...that's a good thing! "

Since being on the nutriiveda thankfully Tanner has not been hurt and I don't

care if I ever learn if this affects his sensory - I'm happy with all the other

positive changes I've seen in him. Last night he was studying inventors and

memorizing about Leonardo Da Vinci inventing the parachute, Galileo Galilei

inventing the thermometer (are you reading these words that he's walking around

saying??!!!) There has been such a surge in Tanner's academic ability- it's

like he's a different child. And again this appears to be a side benefit in the

ADHD kids too.

As you may know I have discussed numerous times over the years what I call " ride

therapy " for Tanner. Putting him on strong G force type rides I noticed

improvements in his speech the next day -but it would fade within a day or so.

Parents of little ones who couldn't do the larger rides after I shared this

noticed the same improvements after taking their child to a water park. The

three theories of why the surge that were brought up here were stimulation to

the vestibular system which seemed to be the most likely, chemical releases like

adrenalin due to the excitement and fear, and/or electromagnetic activity from

the G forces. Nobody knows and all I know is that I have lots of fun

" experimenting " with ride " therapy "

I find it however VERY interesting that Matt felt dizzy for the first time ever

after spinning since he spinned frequently before after just 4 days on the

nutriiveda. That's huge because it does show that somehow this product (which

yes it's hard to believe because it's so yummy and does taste like you are

having a chocolate shake for breakfast) is quickly having a reaction in our

children, positive ones that once again are beyond what the medical doctors

behind this created it for. (like my friends including my friend Dr.

lowering diabetic meds/insulin within days)

I searched a bit and found the following studies and articles which may be

relevant to the difference you've just seen with spinning in Matt. One is how

to test to see if there really is a difference in his vestibular system (but

don't know how that would work at this point unless you put him next to a child

like the former Matt that doesn't get dizzy) and there are others about the

links between sensory vestibular and auditory as well as speech.

I'll put them below but just wanted to point out one other thing in regards to

our children or any of us using the nutriiveda. One serving a day which is two

scoops provides 20 grams of isolate protein and is for health and maintenance

not for weight loss. Twice a day which is four scoops is for weight loss and

that would replace two meals a day with 40 grams of isolate protein etc. This

does not rule out that one could use just one scoop (10 grams of isolate protein

say for a 2 or 3 year old) or three scoops a day (30 grams to say have a scoop

mixed into something as a healthy snack) or 1/2 scoop etc. Since we are outside

the box no reason you shouldn't look around. Lori with your mom who's into

health and wellness and would like to lose a few pounds please let her know that

using it once a day she probably will still lose weight -but not as quickly or

much as if she used it twice a day. The many people I know that lost between 15

to 21 pounds in one month on nutriiveda now is incredible -so for weight loss

for adults if that's what you are looking for then look no further.

Below are the studies and articles I found that may be of interest to what you

are seeing in Matt...and please do continue to share!!!

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A Sit n Spin, Autism, And Sensory Processing Disorders...

What Do These Three Have In Common?

Vestibular input!

Did you know many children with Sensory Processing Disorders and/or Autism, who

are hyposensitive to vestibular input, don't actually get dizzy? Have you ever

watched a child spin for what seemed like hours on a tire swing, merry go round,

their own to feet, or a Sit n Spin and thought to yourself, " How can they DO

that? I'd be so dizzy and nauseous if I spun that long! "

Well, I will let you in on a little secret... you can do a " dizziness test " to

help understand them better.

Take two individuals, one that gets dizzy easily and one who doesn't. Have them

spin around (preferably on something) as fast as possible for about 30 seconds.

Stop them abruptly and look carefully into their eyes. You will see a big

difference in the eyes of the two individuals.

In the case of the child who gets dizzy, you will notice their eyes " shifting "

back and forth very rapidly (left, right, left in a " fluttering " kind of way).

OK, the technical term for this is Postrotary Nystagmus (it's a big word, go

ahead and impress your friends with it!)

If you also look into the eyes of the person who doesn't get dizzy easily (such

as those with hyposensitivity to movement/vestibular input that you see in

Sensory Processing Disorders and/or Autism), you will notice their eyes doing a

similar thing.

BUT, here's the difference... the one who does get dizzy easily will show a more

pronounced postrotary nystagmus (eye " fluttering " , and it will last much longer

than the individual who does not get dizzy as easily. Basically, it is " proof "

of " decreased " sensory processing.

http://www.sensory-processing-disorder.com/sit-n-spin.html

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Hearing, Speech, Language, and Vestibular Disorders In

this review article with 58 references, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS) is observed

as associated with four kinds of hearing disorder: developmentally delayed

auditory fuction, sensorineural hearing loss, intermittent conductive hearing

loss owing to recurrent serous otitis media, and central hearing loss. Speech

and language pathologies also are common in FAS patients. Although auditory and

vestibular systems arise from similar embrological tissue, vestibular

dysfunction is variable in FAS. Early idetification and intervention to treat

hearing, language, and speech problems should improve the functional level of

FAS in children.

From Wayne State University School of Medicine, Detroit, Michigan, USA.

Author(s): Church, M.W.; Abel, E.L.

Source: Obstetrics & Gynecology Clinics of North America (March 1998). 25 (1);

pgs. 85-97.

Relation between Vestibular Function and Speech Recognition in Postlingually

Deafened Adults with Cochlear Implantation

Tetsuo Himi, Tomoko Shintani, Tomo Yamaguchi, Yasuaki Harabushi, Iwao Yoshioka,

Akikatsu Kataura

Department of Otolaryngology, Sapporo Medical University, School of Medicine,

Sapporo, Japan

Abstract

Audiol Neurootol 1997;2:223-230 (DOI: 10.1159/000259246)

Thirty-one postlingually deafened adults with 22-channel cochlear implant were

evaluated preoperatively using vestibular function tests, the caloric test and

stabilometry. The results of caloric response were classified into two

diagnostic groups: normo- or hyporeflexia and areflexia. Stabilometric

recordings were made using a computerized static posturographic platform.

Between the two categories of caloric response, there was a significant

difference in consonant recognition, but the recognition of vowels showed no

significant difference. The results of the distance of body sway in

stabilometry, but not of the area, correlated to the results of consonant

recognition in speech perception tests. The degree of residual vestibular

function seems to be one of the indicators influencing postoperative speech

recognition by cochlear implant patients.

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=259246

The Vestibular System and Auditory-Language Processing

By Carol Stock Kranowitz, M.A.

As they research their child's disability, many parents learn about sensory

integration and the importance of the body's vestibular system, perhaps the most

basic of all the sensory systems. Initially they learn that the vestibular

system coordinates body movements, maintains balance and equilibrium, and helps

children develop normal muscle tone. It is not as immediately apparent, though,

how the vestibular system in & #64258;uences auditory-language processing.

However, the vestibular system plays a signi & #64257;cant role in the development

of language, so that children with vestibular dysfunction may also have

auditory-language processing problems.

It's important to realize that the vestibular and auditory systems work together

as they process sensations of movement and sound. These sensations are closely

intertwined, because they both begin to be processed in the receptors of the

ear.

Audition, or hearing, is the ability to receive sounds. We are born wit this

basic skill. We can't learn how to do it; either we hear, or we don't. The

ability to hear does not guarantee, however, that we understand sounds. We are

not born with the skill of comprehension, we acquire it, as we integrate

vestibular sensation. Gradually, as we interact purposefully with our

environment, we learn to interpret what we hear and to develop sophisticated

auditory processing skills. Some processing skills include the following:

auditory discrimination - differentiating among sounds

auditory & #64257;gure/ground disturbance - discriminating between sound in the

foreground and background

language - the meaningful use of words, symbols representing objects and ideas

Language is a code for deciphering what words imply and how we use them to

communicate. Language that we take in, by listening and reading, is called

" receptive. " Language that we put out, by speaking or writing is " expressive. "

Language and speech are closely related, but they are not the same. Speech is

the physical production of sound. Speech skills depend on smoothly functioning

muscles in the throat tongue, lips, and jaw. The vestibular system

in & #64258;uences motor control and motor planning that are necessary to use

those & #64257;ne muscles to produce intelligible speech.

Because the vestibular system is crucial for effective auditory processing, the

child with vestibular dysfunction frequently develops problems with language.

How do these problems play out? Here are some common characteristics of children

with poor auditory-language processing:

May seem unaware of the source of sound and may look all around to locate where

the sounds come form.

May have trouble identifying voices or discriminating between sounds, such as

the difference between " bear " and " bore. "

May be unable to pay attention to one voice or sound without being distracted by

other sounds.

May be distressed by noises that are loud, sudden, metallic, or high -pitched,

or by sounds that don't bother others.

May have trouble attending to, understanding, or remembering what she reads or

hears.

May misinterpret requests, frequently ask for repetition, and be able to follow

only one or two instructions in sequence.

May look to others before responding.

May have trouble putting thoughts into spoken or written words.

May talk " off topic, " e.g. talk about his/her new shirt when others are

discussing a soccer game.

May have trouble " closing circles of communication, " i.e. responding to others'

questions and comments.

May have trouble correcting or revising what he has said to be understood.

May have weak vocabulary and use immature sentence structure (poor grammar and

syntax).

May have dif & #64257;culty with reading (dyslexia), especially out loud.

May have trouble making up rhymes and singing in tune.

May have dif & #64257;culty speaking and articulating clearly.

May improve her speaking ability after she experiences intense movement.

Moving activates the ability to speak. A child with vestibular and language

problems bene & #64257;ts greatly from therapy that simultaneously addresses both

types of dysfunction. Speech and language therapists report that just putting

the child in a swing during treatment can have remarkable results. Occupational

therapists have found that when they treat a child for vestibular dysfunction,

speech-and-language skills can improve along with balance, movement, and motor

planning skills. And even without the assistance of therapists, children who

move spontaneously often show enhanced ability to verbalize their thoughts.

For more information on sensory integration, vestibular dysfunction, and

auditory processing, check out the DDR Sensory Integration links.

[This article was excerpted from The Out-of-Sync Child: Recognizing and Coping

with Sensory Processing Disorder, Revised EditionThe Out-of-Sync Child:

Understanding and Coping With Sensory Integration Dysfunction and initially

published in New Developments: Volume 2, Number 3 - Winter, 1996-1997]

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December 18, 2009

Hi Lori,

On their website Nutriiveda is described:

NutriiVeda is casein and gluten free, milk, sodium and fat free

Why do you think has dairy?

Lucy

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I've not visited the list for a while. I started my son (and my mother) on

Nutriieveda four days ago. I spoke to last night and promised her that I

would report on Matt's progress.

>

> First, let me introduce you all to my son. My son is currently 9 years old.

He was born with a heart defect for which he had surgery when he was 4 months

old. He has a laundry list of challenges - but one of his major stumbling block

has been his global apraxia - which diagnosis he received at 2 years old.

>

> In searching for answers to that piece of my son's puzzle, I found this group.

My son responded well to the fish oil - although not as some of the kids did.

Perhaps his brain injury slow down his surges. But any positive result was

incredible to see.

>

> When I spoke to last night, we had not yet seen any changes in Matt,

although he did like his chocolate shakes (LOL - he can't believe we are giving

him a dessert with breakfast).

>

> This morning my son was spinning/twirling in the living room while his

breakfast was being prepared. Spinning is a normal activity for my son. He has

sensory issues - and something about spinning calms him down. At one point, one

of his OTs let him spin for as long as he wanted to (usually we all limit it -

as he is tuning out the world while spinning). He spun for 15 minutes straight

without a pause. When he finished she asked him how he felt. He grinned and

said good.

>

> This morning as he sat at the table he told my husband that he was dizzy.

>

> DIZZY!!!

>

> My son has NEVER been dizzy.

>

> This may not seem big to most people, but it is incredible to us.

>

> We are using 2 scoops in a morning shake (he has been drinking part of it for

breakfast and the rest later in the day). The first few days he didn't finish

his shake until bedtime. Both mornings following he woke up having soaked his

bed. So we are now making sure that he finishes his shake by the afternoon.

This morning he once again woke up dry. Sleeping through the night dry is a

work in progress for my son.

>

> To reduce the problem with the extra liquids in Matt's diet, recommended

also trying it in yogurt or pudding - which we'll try - although Matt might miss

his breakfast dessert!

>

> I'll keep everyone posted on Matt's progress.

>

> Oh! And the reason I'm having my mother use it also is that I had planned to

try it with my son so I could have a gauge of how it was affecting my body.

Unfortunately I am allergic to dairy and the product has whey in it. Therefore

my mother is using it and keeping me informed as to how it is making her feel.

So far, for her, it has been a great meal replacement. I've asked her to pay

attention to any affects on attention, focus, concentration, etc. She'll let me

know if she sees any improvement. While she is more than happy to experiment on

herself to help her grandson, she wouldn't mind seeing some positive results for

herself as well!

>

> Thanks for reading.

>

> Lori Pyne

> (Mom of Matt)

>

December 18, 2009

Hi Lori,

I am so happy you have decided to try Nutriiveda with your son Matt.

The fact that he said dizzy and felt dizzy to me is also incredible.

I understand

how you feel as it is very difficult when your child has global

apraxia. I look forward to hearing more about Matt!

Take care,

Robin

On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:22 PM, lovebeingamom90278 wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I've not visited the list for a while. I started my son (and my

> mother) on Nutriieveda four days ago. I spoke to last night

> and promised her that I would report on Matt's progress.

>

> First, let me introduce you all to my son. My son is currently 9

> years old. He was born with a heart defect for which he had surgery

> when he was 4 months old. He has a laundry list of challenges - but

> one of his major stumbling block has been his global apraxia -

> which diagnosis he received at 2 years old.

>

> In searching for answers to that piece of my son's puzzle, I found

> this group. My son responded well to the fish oil - although not as

> some of the kids did. Perhaps his brain injury slow down his

> surges. But any positive result was incredible to see.

>

> When I spoke to last night, we had not yet seen any changes in

> Matt, although he did like his chocolate shakes (LOL - he can't

> believe we are giving him a dessert with breakfast).

>

> This morning my son was spinning/twirling in the living room while

> his breakfast was being prepared. Spinning is a normal activity for

> my son. He has sensory issues - and something about spinning calms

> him down. At one point, one of his OTs let him spin for as long as

> he wanted to (usually we all limit it - as he is tuning out the

> world while spinning). He spun for 15 minutes straight without a

> pause. When he finished she asked him how he felt. He grinned and

> said good.

>

> This morning as he sat at the table he told my husband that he was

> dizzy.

>

> DIZZY!!!

>

> My son has NEVER been dizzy.

>

> This may not seem big to most people, but it is incredible to us.

>

> We are using 2 scoops in a morning shake (he has been drinking part

> of it for breakfast and the rest later in the day). The first few

> days he didn't finish his shake until bedtime. Both mornings

> following he woke up having soaked his bed. So we are now making

> sure that he finishes his shake by the afternoon. This morning he

> once again woke up dry. Sleeping through the night dry is a work in

> progress for my son.

>

> To reduce the problem with the extra liquids in Matt's diet,

> recommended also trying it in yogurt or pudding - which we'll try -

> although Matt might miss his breakfast dessert!

>

> I'll keep everyone posted on Matt's progress.

>

> Oh! And the reason I'm having my mother use it also is that I had

> planned to try it with my son so I could have a gauge of how it was

> affecting my body. Unfortunately I am allergic to dairy and the

> product has whey in it. Therefore my mother is using it and keeping

> me informed as to how it is making her feel. So far, for her, it

> has been a great meal replacement. I've asked her to pay attention

> to any affects on attention, focus, concentration, etc. She'll let

> me know if she sees any improvement. While she is more than happy

> to experiment on herself to help her grandson, she wouldn't mind

> seeing some positive results for herself as well!

>

> Thanks for reading.

>

> Lori Pyne

> (Mom of Matt)

>

December 18, 2009

,

When I read this email I started putting two and two together.

Eventhough I know these herbs and their overall properties but I needed to go

deeper into it since I am not an expert on these.

So I have been reading about them extensively for the last couple of weeks.

Here is the surprise, the herb Haritaki in the Nutriiveda has the property to

increase the " bulk of the body " meaing it strengthens the vestibular of the

body!!!

Above all it is a huge antifungal.

I know I am jumping from one property to another.

In Biomedical treatment the presence of clostridia[not the vaginal one] in the

GI is hugely discussed. SO while doing those treatments there is a stage when

each DAN doctor prescribe antifungal treatments to lower the level of

clostridia. IT is beleived that clostridia inhibits speech. So the combination

of these natural herbs is somehow cleansing the GI tract. Its like scraping out

hard-water deposit from you bathtub!!! My curiosity like other have increased on

what is it that making things turn around for these kids...I am just trying to

put things together and its surprising me everyday.

Here is a good site on all the Haritaki.

http://www.ayurvedicdietsolutions.com/Haritaki.php

Enjoy the day,

sowmya

>

> Hi Lori and thank you so much for your update as well! I know exactly how you