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> I know beggars can't be

> choosers, but do you worry about the insulin spike with the

> maltodextrin, etc in the sugarless ice cream (for future reference, of

> course i know its better than the spike from " real " sugars...

No I don't. The only real concern is calories. If you lower your calories

and eat healthy food, you'll do fine.

BTW, in your original post you alluded to binging on " real " ice cream and

chocolate after workouts. You'd be miles ahead with the aforementioned

substitutes. Don't sweat the small stuff or you'll drive yourself nuts.

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Thanks for the reality check, folks. I'm sure that more than one CRONie has a

bit of OCD.

I really like to feel that I am somewhat in control of my " binges " rather

than the food taking control over me. Well, I've been doing well today.

Simone

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>I had a wonderful dinner, but felt guilty afterwards. I was

>feeling very depressed, and so I treated myelf. I hate this weakness,

>however!

Simone, you have to drop the guilt for the occassional indulgence.

Perhaps you should allow yourself one meal every two weeks where you eat

whatever in the heck you want? As was mentioned, as long as you compensate

for the calories, it's not a problem. But either way, guilt is not a very

productive emotion -- why don't you focus on developing a strategy for

handling your cravings in the future? Personally, I think you did a great

job by limiting your indulgence to a bit of salami and cheese and eating it

with the healthy fare you mentioned.

One other thing to look at: if you are frequently weak and depressed, could

you have dropped calories too quickly? Maybe you should bring them up a

little and then lower them again slowly. Also look at fat and protein

intake - when either of these get too low it can cause some of the problems

you mentioned.

Anyway, from my point of view you have nothing to be depressed about.

Salad, balsamic vinegar and olive oil, berries, canteloupe, red wine, and a

bit of salami and cheese doesn't sound all that unhealthy to me. Certainly

a meal that can be an occassional part of a balanced, low-calorie diet.

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> Some days I just get weak and depressed on this regime. I'm

wondering if any

> of you experience this, and what do you do to ease it out?

>

> Yesterday I went Formaggio Kitchen in Cambridge (lovely specialty

store) and

> bought some beautiful Italian cracked-pepper salami, and a

delicious aged

> goat cheese. I just couldn't help myself. Fortunately, I also put

out a fresh

> salad dressed with olive oil and a top-quality aged Balsamic

vinegar, some

> fresh berries and cantaloupe, and red wine. I served bread, but did

not eat

> it myself.

As other people have said that's not terribly unhealthy food. The

salami probably has nitrates which I would regard with some concern

as they have been implicated in cancer causation. However it's

probably ok to allow yourself some salami as a very rare treat. The

goat cheese is basically healthy and contains calcium although the

saturated fat content is too high to eat it all the time.

I had a wonderful dinner, but felt guilty afterwards. I was

> feeling very depressed, and so I treated myelf. I hate this

weakness, however!

Well, maybe you shouldn't :). People often crave foods when stressed

(and depression is a form of stress I would suppose). Furthermore

when the levels of stress hormones in people who give in to a stress

caused food craving are immediately afterward compared to those who

resisted giving in the ones who give in have much lower levels of

stress hormones. Lower levels of stress hormones are *in general*

beneficial (some CR exceptions *may* apply). So though the effects

of CR are what you want for the long term you shouldn't feel so bad

for an *occasional* slip. (references? - I don't have any on me

right now - though I could look if anyone insists. I'm a total

layman and just read this stuff in popular health magazines like

Health :)

I can certainly emphathize with how it feels to want to give in to

food cravings when depressed. If I am depressed enough I don't care

about eating healthy in the slightest. And really the depression

might be worse for you in the long run than the indulgence. The

trick with mood based cravings is to anticipate and manage it before

hand when you can. This certainly works with sleepiness based

cravings (get enough sleep), stress based cravings (try relaxation

exercises) etc. Although depression is admitedly a harder beast to

manage.

It's interesting that feeling guilty after indulging in food is

actually considered a sign of an eating disorder and a symptom of

many specific eating disorders such as anorexia. Now, I am not in

any way accusing you of having any of these. I just think it's food

for thought (zero calories and questionable nutrition :) for those of

us who like to go to extremes.

" nothing tastes as good as a long life feels " :)

> Simone

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