Re: yet another fish oil question

[Guest guest]

Hi !

Unless you purchased the liquid already I'd purchase the capsules. A half

teaspoon of ProEFA liquid (or it's commercial equivalent Omega 369) is about the

same as two full capsules of ProEFA (or it's

commercial equivalent Omega 369)

Use the liquid if you have it. Also the shelf life isn't long once opened -only

about 4 months. The capsules on the other hand even once you open the bottle

are good for up to 4 years, So if you have the liquid use it quick (if your

child doesn't mind the taste of it-mine does) Some here may like the liquid

because they think it's easier to use -but the capsules are better in my opinion

for various reasons including years longer shelf life, easy to control dosage,

easy to travel with, not a big deal if you spill the bottle over. Passed Tanner

taste test (liquid didn't) And..yes...you can just use a pin and " poof " like

magic the capsule is 'oil' but the oil without a capsule -can't turn it into a

capsule. If you were using capsules I'd suggest starting with one capsule of

ProEFA -that would be about the same as 1/4 a teaspoon of the liquid ProEFA.

1/2 teaspoon of ProEFA oil is close to the equivalent of about 2 capsules of

ProEFA.

Sadly -it still does appear that unless NN offers a dropper that clearly has

lines that state " one capsule " " two capsules " or something like that as a guide

as I suggested -that with use of the oils -those of you using the straight oil

will no longer be able to share with all of us accurately -or even know yourself

- what dosage you are giving your child you are finding to be " too high " " too

low " or " perfect! " You will only be able to estimate. The best we can advise now

with the oil is that " 1/2 teaspoon of ProEFA oil is close to the equivalent of

about 2 capsules of ProEFA "

Also even if one was going to want to go higher in dosage you are better off in

almost all but rare instances to raise the EPA (one of the Omega 3s) with say

ProEPA on a two to one ratio. So 2 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA or 1/2 teaspoon of ProEFA

if you are using liquid to one capsule of ProEPA (as that doesn't come in

liquid)

As far as what we found best for ADD -a one to one ratio of ProEFA to ProEPA.

yes the Jr and 8 years old is the age to start teaching how to swallow capsules

-but keep in mind the Jr. capsules are about twice as expensive as the regular

as you get about the same amount of capsules but each is only a half dosage for

around the same cost. Worth it to teach a child how to swallow the capsules

however.

If you gave 2 Jr. sized capsules to Madelyn that would be one capsule of ProEFA

or 1/4 a teaspoon of the liquid. Now you are probably seeing why I prefer the

capsules especially with new people. It's very confusing if you don't know

about it -and there is a science to the PUFAs (polyunsaturated fatty acids) The

more you learn about the PUFAs the more you learn you don't know- as it's very

complex. Here's some basic information about the PUFAs

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efawhatsthat.html But the good

news is that you don't always have to understand everything for them to " work "

My older son Dakota had a number of birth issues and injuries/diagnosis as an

infant which through his neurologists and therapy he overcame to end up with

numerous MDs diagnosing him as ADHD a few years later (which was a " normal "

diagnosis for me that I embraced after all his life threatening and severe

issues as well as his risks for debilitating and life threatening impairments

due to his traumatic birth injuries) So ADHD for the older one who is now 16.

My " baby " Tanner who just turned 14 years old (and is also 6 foot high like his

brother) is my child with apraxia. So here's the breakdown one more time

Apraxia 2 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA ratio (starting at just this to up to triple

dosage in this group)

ADHD 1 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA ratio (my older son worked up to 5X this but over

years and it kept him off all meds that various neuros wanted to put him on)

Just a note -the Omega 369 and ProEFA are the same thing but the Omega 369 is

the commercial line and ProEFA is in the professional line. The " Pro " line is a

bit cheaper as you get 30 extra capsules for the same cost but you have to buy

online such as at http://www.speech411.com or from a professional. The ProEPA

in the commercial line is called just EPA (really)

It took awhile to get up to the dosages I did but my older son was on 5 ProEFA

and 5 ProEPA a day which kept him off all meds and a good student -but as

brilliant as he is (he tested 99th percentile) he still sometimes got Bs or even

occasionally a C as his study and work habits were horrific...he just picked up

the work and got by.

My younger child Tanner was at one point up to 6 ProEFA and 3 ProEPA but for the

past few years he's been on 4 ProEFA and 2 ProEPA

The change for both was NV. If you use NV you will be able to lower fish oil

dosage but may take a bit of time as it strengthens the metabolic system.

After a few months I have been able to lower dosage for Tanner -Dakota just a

tweak lower but he hasn't been on NV as long. Tanner is now on 2 ProEFA and 1

ProEPA and again he is 14 and 6 foot tall. But even though we lowered his

dosage we have seen incredible surges across the board in everything from

academics and multitasking to of course speech and language and abstract humor.

In addition even if I ask him many times " do you need any help at all? " with the

tons of homework he gets he says " no I'm doing it " and works independently.

Prior it was always my homework too!!! My older son Dakota- HUGE HUGE change in

focus at school, no longer procrastinates on what homework needs to be done -and

his grades as he is in a HS that is also a college here so he's working on

college level and will get a HS and 2 year college degree at the same time -in

advanced math the highest score was 105 and Dakota got a 101 -well higher than

anyone else in the class...he didn't even study for the test. I highly highly

suggest you look into NV with your child's pediatrician or neurologist as well.

Here is a sheet to share http://pursuitofresearch.org/NutriiVeda_Information.pdf

and here are some of the areas it is working in

http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html and possible theories as to why

http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

For all those using NV please take the survey if you have not already

http://pursuitofresearch.org/survey.html and let us know if you are willing to

work with professionals as we have a few now that are interested in the data we

have already.

Unlike supplements which can come with side effects if you overdose or the body

can't digest them -this product is 100 percent whole food and water soluble -so

the purest and most balanced, easily digestible form of supplementation. It

contains all of the essential amino acids and nutrients from whole food sources

per serving. It's rare to get all the essential amino acids in one meal.

Essential amino acids, like the essential fatty acids (the fish oils) the body

needs daily. Essential means the body needs it but can't produce it so you need

to consume it. If the body has the essential nutrients it needs you don't have

to and shouldn't supplement unless a doctor advises otherwise because the body

will make what it needs that is non essential.

So I highly recommend supplementation of fish oils and NV to supply the

essential nutrients. Fish oils you should see results in a day to three weeks.

NV a day to three days. Pretty much across the board for NV -and at least 80

percent success rate for fish oils from what is being reported.

Hope that helps.

=====

[Guest guest]

, not to be super personal but do you have kids?  and what ages?  Also I

am curious do you work?  you are always so thorough with your answers.

From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: yet another fish oil question

Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 1:11 PM

 

Hi !

Unless you purchased the liquid already I'd purchase the capsules. A half

teaspoon of ProEFA liquid (or it's commercial equivalent Omega 369) is about the

same as two full capsules of ProEFA (or it's

commercial equivalent Omega 369)

Use the liquid if you have it. Also the shelf life isn't long once opened -only

about 4 months. The capsules on the other hand even once you open the bottle

are good for up to 4 years, So if you have the liquid use it quick (if your

child doesn't mind the taste of it-mine does) Some here may like the liquid

because they think it's easier to use -but the capsules are better in my opinion

for various reasons including years longer shelf life, easy to control dosage,

easy to travel with, not a big deal if you spill the bottle over. Passed Tanner

taste test (liquid didn't) And..yes...you can just use a pin and " poof " like

magic the capsule is 'oil' but the oil without a capsule -can't turn it into a

capsule. If you were using capsules I'd suggest starting with one capsule of

ProEFA -that would be about the same as 1/4 a teaspoon of the liquid ProEFA.

1/2 teaspoon of ProEFA oil is close to the equivalent of about 2 capsules of

ProEFA.

Sadly -it still does appear that unless NN offers a dropper that clearly has

lines that state " one capsule " " two capsules " or something like that as a guide

as I suggested -that with use of the oils -those of you using the straight oil

will no longer be able to share with all of us accurately -or even know yourself

- what dosage you are giving your child you are finding to be " too high " " too

low " or " perfect! " You will only be able to estimate. The best we can advise now

with the oil is that " 1/2 teaspoon of ProEFA oil is close to the equivalent of

about 2 capsules of ProEFA "

Also even if one was going to want to go higher in dosage you are better off in

almost all but rare instances to raise the EPA (one of the Omega 3s) with say

ProEPA on a two to one ratio. So 2 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA or 1/2 teaspoon of ProEFA

if you are using liquid to one capsule of ProEPA (as that doesn't come in

liquid)

As far as what we found best for ADD -a one to one ratio of ProEFA to ProEPA.

yes the Jr and 8 years old is the age to start teaching how to swallow capsules

-but keep in mind the Jr. capsules are about twice as expensive as the regular

as you get about the same amount of capsules but each is only a half dosage for

around the same cost. Worth it to teach a child how to swallow the capsules

however.

If you gave 2 Jr. sized capsules to Madelyn that would be one capsule of ProEFA

or 1/4 a teaspoon of the liquid. Now you are probably seeing why I prefer the

capsules especially with new people. It's very confusing if you don't know

about it -and there is a science to the PUFAs (polyunsaturated fatty acids) The

more you learn about the PUFAs the more you learn you don't know- as it's very

complex. Here's some basic information about the PUFAs

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efawhatsthat.html But the good

news is that you don't always have to understand everything for them to " work "

My older son Dakota had a number of birth issues and injuries/diagnosis as an

infant which through his neurologists and therapy he overcame to end up with

numerous MDs diagnosing him as ADHD a few years later (which was a " normal "

diagnosis for me that I embraced after all his life threatening and severe

issues as well as his risks for debilitating and life threatening impairments

due to his traumatic birth injuries) So ADHD for the older one who is now 16.

My " baby " Tanner who just turned 14 years old (and is also 6 foot high like his

brother) is my child with apraxia. So here's the breakdown one more time

Apraxia 2 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA ratio (starting at just this to up to triple

dosage in this group)

ADHD 1 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA ratio (my older son worked up to 5X this but over

years and it kept him off all meds that various neuros wanted to put him on)

Just a note -the Omega 369 and ProEFA are the same thing but the Omega 369 is

the commercial line and ProEFA is in the professional line. The " Pro " line is a

bit cheaper as you get 30 extra capsules for the same cost but you have to buy

online such as at http://www.speech411.com or from a professional. The ProEPA

in the commercial line is called just EPA (really)

It took awhile to get up to the dosages I did but my older son was on 5 ProEFA

and 5 ProEPA a day which kept him off all meds and a good student -but as

brilliant as he is (he tested 99th percentile) he still sometimes got Bs or even

occasionally a C as his study and work habits were horrific...he just picked up

the work and got by.

My younger child Tanner was at one point up to 6 ProEFA and 3 ProEPA but for the

past few years he's been on 4 ProEFA and 2 ProEPA

The change for both was NV. If you use NV you will be able to lower fish oil

dosage but may take a bit of time as it strengthens the metabolic system.

After a few months I have been able to lower dosage for Tanner -Dakota just a

tweak lower but he hasn't been on NV as long. Tanner is now on 2 ProEFA and 1

ProEPA and again he is 14 and 6 foot tall. But even though we lowered his

dosage we have seen incredible surges across the board in everything from

academics and multitasking to of course speech and language and abstract humor.

In addition even if I ask him many times " do you need any help at all? " with the

tons of homework he gets he says " no I'm doing it " and works independently.

Prior it was always my homework too!!! My older son Dakota- HUGE HUGE change in

focus at school, no longer procrastinates on what homework needs to be done -and

his grades as he is in a HS that is also a college here so he's working on

college level and will get a HS and 2 year college degree at the same time -in

advanced math the highest score was 105 and Dakota got a 101 -well higher than

anyone else in the

class...he didn't even study for the test. I highly highly suggest you look

into NV with your child's pediatrician or neurologist as well. Here is a sheet

to share http://pursuitofresearch.org/NutriiVeda_Information.pdf and here are

some of the areas it is working in http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html and

possible theories as to why http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

For all those using NV please take the survey if you have not already

http://pursuitofresearch.org/survey.html and let us know if you are willing to

work with professionals as we have a few now that are interested in the data we

have already.

Unlike supplements which can come with side effects if you overdose or the body

can't digest them -this product is 100 percent whole food and water soluble -so

the purest and most balanced, easily digestible form of supplementation. It

contains all of the essential amino acids and nutrients from whole food sources

per serving. It's rare to get all the essential amino acids in one meal.

Essential amino acids, like the essential fatty acids (the fish oils) the body

needs daily. Essential means the body needs it but can't produce it so you need

to consume it. If the body has the essential nutrients it needs you don't have

to and shouldn't supplement unless a doctor advises otherwise because the body

will make what it needs that is non essential.

So I highly recommend supplementation of fish oils and NV to supply the

essential nutrients. Fish oils you should see results in a day to three weeks.

NV a day to three days. Pretty much across the board for NV -and at least 80

percent success rate for fish oils from what is being reported.

Hope that helps.

=====

[Guest guest]

Me? I am only here because of my own children! I was on a completely different

path in life up till having kids. My background is in NYC film, marketing, toy

and fashion design. I was just asked to be a consultant to a huge bandage

company due to two of the wound dressing patents I have, and was working on an

animated film that I wrote, designed the characters for and that I had some

awesome people to work with on it...when my son Dakota and I almost died in

childbirth...and then began my complete end to my life before and here I am now.

I take all the energy I used to put into creating and design and put it into

outreach. I probably shouldn't and I know that -but I have a feeling things

will come full circle. I do plan on all that is going on -from nonprofit to

discovery of fish oil and now NV and all the drama in between...would love for

it to be on the order of a ie type movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcdOTeaUkG0 & feature=related

Anyway -you probably never read my book The Late Talker? If it wasn't for my

kids again no I wouldn't be here. If anything because of the direction I was on

with wound dressings I was most moved by the rare instances of NIR AIDS in

children...and I didn't know any children or adults that had that. But I was

moved by a story I heard enough that I know for sure that was the direction of

advocacy I was in. NIR by the way stands for no identified risk...and yes I was

the person that raised awareness to Pete Hunt from the CDC about child to child

interactions that we all view as " normal " but that can be VERY dangerous

today...like becoming blood brothers as they do in the movie My Girl (with

Macaulay Culkin) Believe it or not prior to me raising awareness nobody even

thought about " child to child " interactions. Sometimes (childhood apraxia of

speech needs to go as a diagnosis name) people don't see the obvious. My genius

IQ is in creation. I will do it if I say I will do it -but first I will

validate fish oils with the most reputable research possible. I will end the

ignorant fear of fish oil.

I type really fast and talk pretty fast -and people that read my emails say I

write just like I talk.

And PS -I speak about my two boys in the email you wrote this on. One is now 14

but my oldest who had life threatening birth injuries but overcame SO much -tons

of therapy and proof that miracles are possible no matter how severe the

prognosis is- today is brilliant and planned to be a Disney Imagineer...and

funny enough -Dakota has continued to benefit by the things I have found for

Tanner's apraxia as with him all was planned -but with Tanner and apraxia,

frustrating and blatant ignorance from most so as they say " if you want to do

things right " ...and sometimes you do have to blaze new trails if you want the

shortcuts.

Tanner's page http://www.cherab.org/information/familiesrelate/letter.html

Dakota's page

http://www.cherab.org/information/familiesrelate/workandfamily.html

=====

[Guest guest]

,

Very beautifully said – without you I would be lost!

Lora – mother to 3 amazing girls – youngest with apraxia

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of kiddietalk

Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 4:03 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: yet another fish oil question

Me? I am only here because of my own children! I was on a completely

different path in life up till having kids. My background is in NYC film,

marketing, toy and fashion design. I was just asked to be a consultant to a

huge bandage company due to two of the wound dressing patents I have, and

was working on an animated film that I wrote, designed the characters for

and that I had some awesome people to work with on it...when my son Dakota

and I almost died in childbirth...and then began my complete end to my life

before and here I am now. I take all the energy I used to put into creating

and design and put it into outreach. I probably shouldn't and I know that

-but I have a feeling things will come full circle. I do plan on all that is

going on -from nonprofit to discovery of fish oil and now NV and all the

drama in between...would love for it to be on the order of a ie type

movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcdOTeaUkG0

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcdOTeaUkG0 & feature=related & feature=related

Anyway -you probably never read my book The Late Talker? If it wasn't for my

kids again no I wouldn't be here. If anything because of the direction I was

on with wound dressings I was most moved by the rare instances of NIR AIDS

in children...and I didn't know any children or adults that had that. But I

was moved by a story I heard enough that I know for sure that was the

direction of advocacy I was in. NIR by the way stands for no identified

risk...and yes I was the person that raised awareness to Pete Hunt from the

CDC about child to child interactions that we all view as " normal " but that

can be VERY dangerous today...like becoming blood brothers as they do in the

movie My Girl (with Macaulay Culkin) Believe it or not prior to me raising

awareness nobody even thought about " child to child " interactions. Sometimes

(childhood apraxia of speech needs to go as a diagnosis name) people don't

see the obvious. My genius IQ is in creation. I will do it if I say I will

do it -but first I will validate fish oils with the most reputable research

possible. I will end the ignorant fear of fish oil.

I type really fast and talk pretty fast -and people that read my emails say

I write just like I talk.

And PS -I speak about my two boys in the email you wrote this on. One is now

14 but my oldest who had life threatening birth injuries but overcame SO

much -tons of therapy and proof that miracles are possible no matter how

severe the prognosis is- today is brilliant and planned to be a Disney

Imagineer...and funny enough -Dakota has continued to benefit by the things

I have found for Tanner's apraxia as with him all was planned -but with

Tanner and apraxia, frustrating and blatant ignorance from most so as they

say " if you want to do things right " ...and sometimes you do have to blaze

new trails if you want the shortcuts.

Tanner's page http://www.cherab.org/information/familiesrelate/letter.html

Dakota's page

http://www.cherab.org/information/familiesrelate/workandfamily.html

=====

[Guest guest]

also inspired me to what I do today in outreach. Here is an article I

wrote for Exceptional Parent.

Dealing with a parent's worst nightmare.

When my husband, , and I chose to become parents, we jumped into the

unknown. Our children's well-being and happiness became our concern. The first

of our three sons, Danny, was a healthy, very active boy. He was a very

independent child, smart beyond his years.

Our second son, Adam, was born 2 1/2 years later. Adam was a big baby like his

brother, with no obvious problems at birth, although his tongue stuck out and

his cheeks sagged a little. No one thought there was a problem, except that Adam

never babbled or made sounds as an infant. We just thought he was a quiet child.

How quickly life can change, though. When he was it little more than 3 1/2,

Danny contracted Burkitt's lymphoma, a rare fast-growing cancer with few

symptoms. This virtually silent killer took the life of our son within hours of

his diagnosis. We were devastated, in shock, unable to comprehend how we as

parents couldn't save our child. We asked, " Why did we deserve this? Why us? "

Ten days after Danny died, I joined a group called The Compassionate Friends, a

bereavement support group for parents experiencing the death of a child. It was

the one place I felt I could express my grief and lean on others who had similar

tragedies. I learned the benefit of being with others who could share ideas for

living. I became the librarian and facilitator of my local chapter. I discovered

that whatever positive support and energy you give to others will return to you

three-fold.

A new start, more challenges

In our grief, we weren't overly concerned that Adam still wasn't talking; we

were trying to deal with Danny's death. Wanting to make a new start, we sold the

house and moved to another. It wasn't until Adam was 2 years old that a

neurodevelopmental pediatrician diagnosed him with a neurological speech

disorder called apraxia

Disturbance in carrying out skilled acts, caused by a lesion in the cerebral

cortex; motor power and mental capacity remain intact. Motor apraxia is the

inability to perform fine motor acts. Ideational apraxia is loss of the ability

to plan even a simple action. of speech.

Children with apraxia of speech are unable to produce the sounds for speech so

as to be understood, despite having the ability to do so. Intelligence level in

most children with apraxia is unaffected. For example, Adam can put together

60-piece puzzles without ever having seen them before. He has a picture-perfect

memory, and can approximate the picture to the puzzle box . But it is also very

frustrating for him. Adam will have tantrums because he can't respond to our

questions with intelligible speech. Adam makes his needs known by pointing or

doing some sign language as we ask him a yes or no question. If that doesn't

work he will show us physically what he means. Adam's apraxia greatly limited

his circle of friends. No one could understand what he wanted and few children

wanted to play because he was " different. "

For Adam, as for most children with apraxia, intensive speech therapy was key in

helping him once apraxia was diagnosed. Occupational therapy was also necessary.

His intensive speech therapy is three to four times a week and includes brushing

his tongue with a toothbrush trying to get him to blow bubbles, blowing through

straws, blowing candles out; getting him to pucker his lips, trying to repeat

the sounds p, b, m, d, and others, to strengthen and coordinate his facial and

mouth muscles. The therapist recommended massaging his cheeks to tone his

muscles.

Adam now says up to 80 words. We don't always understand him because he cannot

produce some of the syllables/consonants of speech. When the therapy first

began, the only sound that he could say was " mmmm. "

A few months ago, our family had a frightening experience when Adam got lost

while we were on an outing at a large zoo. It taught us an important lesson. I

have since gotten an ID bracelet for Adam, since he cannot speak his name or

give a phone number or ask for help himself.

Adam is now 6 years old and attends a special education kindergarten class for

speech. He writes his name and uses a special computer device to help him

communicate. His speech is slowly getting better. Sometimes it is very fast and

gets garbled.

As a parent, I cannot stress how important it is to educate medical

professionals, teachers and parents about apraxia. When Adam was diagnosed with

apraxia I didn't know where to turn for help. If more professionals knew about

this disorder, many more parents of diagnosed or undiagnosed children would know

there is hope and information that can help them.

Many parents whose children don't talk by age 2 or 3 may not think there is a

problem. I was reminded of that by relatives. They counseled, " The child will

talk when he is ready, don't worry. " If the child isn't diagnosed and doesn't

have intensive therapy early, valuable time may be lost and the speech patterns

can be very hard to correct. As the child gets older, other problems can arise.

Gaining strength from support

How did I learn more about apraxia? A relative sent me a newspaper article about

apraxia and a support group here in New Jersey, the C.H.E.R.A.B. Foundation,

headed by

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I love reading about Tanner and Dakota, and other older children. It gives me

such hope to see how far they have come and how much they have accomplished.

Thanks for the clarification because I got all mixed up. I haven't bought

anything yet, but was planning on getting the capsules. If the junior version is

twice the price. Perhaps I'll start with the regular capsules for both kids, and

just drain the liquid. If I'm understanding correctly, I start them each with

one capsule?

I would love to try the NV for Madelyn, but she has a dairy allergy and I want

to talk to her doctor before testing her on it.

We're planning on starting the oils tomorrow, so I'll keep you posted. I'm

trying to get Maddi on video first, so we can hear any difference.

Thanks again,

>

> Hi !

>

> Unless you purchased the liquid already I'd purchase the capsules. A half

teaspoon of ProEFA liquid (or it's commercial equivalent Omega 369) is about the

same as two full capsules of ProEFA (or it's

> commercial equivalent Omega 369)

>

> Use the liquid if you have it. Also the shelf life isn't long once opened

-only about 4 months. The capsules on the other hand even once you open the

bottle are good for up to 4 years, So if you have the liquid use it quick (if

your child doesn't mind the taste of it-mine does) Some here may like the liquid

because they think it's easier to use -but the capsules are better in my opinion

for various reasons including years longer shelf life, easy to control dosage,

easy to travel with, not a big deal if you spill the bottle over. Passed Tanner

taste test (liquid didn't) And..yes...you can just use a pin and " poof " like

magic the capsule is 'oil' but the oil without a capsule -can't turn it into a

capsule. If you were using capsules I'd suggest starting with one capsule of

ProEFA -that would be about the same as 1/4 a teaspoon of the liquid ProEFA.

1/2 teaspoon of ProEFA oil is close to the equivalent of about 2 capsules of

ProEFA.

>

> Sadly -it still does appear that unless NN offers a dropper that clearly has

lines that state " one capsule " " two capsules " or something like that as a guide

as I suggested -that with use of the oils -those of you using the straight oil

will no longer be able to share with all of us accurately -or even know yourself

- what dosage you are giving your child you are finding to be " too high " " too

low " or " perfect! " You will only be able to estimate. The best we can advise now

with the oil is that " 1/2 teaspoon of ProEFA oil is close to the equivalent of

about 2 capsules of ProEFA "

>

> Also even if one was going to want to go higher in dosage you are better off

in almost all but rare instances to raise the EPA (one of the Omega 3s) with say

ProEPA on a two to one ratio. So 2 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA or 1/2 teaspoon of ProEFA

if you are using liquid to one capsule of ProEPA (as that doesn't come in

liquid)

>

> As far as what we found best for ADD -a one to one ratio of ProEFA to ProEPA.

yes the Jr and 8 years old is the age to start teaching how to swallow capsules

-but keep in mind the Jr. capsules are about twice as expensive as the regular

as you get about the same amount of capsules but each is only a half dosage for

around the same cost. Worth it to teach a child how to swallow the capsules

however.

>

> If you gave 2 Jr. sized capsules to Madelyn that would be one capsule of

ProEFA or 1/4 a teaspoon of the liquid. Now you are probably seeing why I

prefer the capsules especially with new people. It's very confusing if you

don't know about it -and there is a science to the PUFAs (polyunsaturated fatty

acids) The more you learn about the PUFAs the more you learn you don't know- as

it's very complex. Here's some basic information about the PUFAs

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efawhatsthat.html But the good

news is that you don't always have to understand everything for them to " work "

>

> My older son Dakota had a number of birth issues and injuries/diagnosis as an

infant which through his neurologists and therapy he overcame to end up with

numerous MDs diagnosing him as ADHD a few years later (which was a " normal "

diagnosis for me that I embraced after all his life threatening and severe

issues as well as his risks for debilitating and life threatening impairments

due to his traumatic birth injuries) So ADHD for the older one who is now 16.

My " baby " Tanner who just turned 14 years old (and is also 6 foot high like his

brother) is my child with apraxia. So here's the breakdown one more time

>

> Apraxia 2 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA ratio (starting at just this to up to triple

dosage in this group)

>

> ADHD 1 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA ratio (my older son worked up to 5X this but over

years and it kept him off all meds that various neuros wanted to put him on)

>

> Just a note -the Omega 369 and ProEFA are the same thing but the Omega 369 is

the commercial line and ProEFA is in the professional line. The " Pro " line is a

bit cheaper as you get 30 extra capsules for the same cost but you have to buy

online such as at http://www.speech411.com or from a professional. The ProEPA

in the commercial line is called just EPA (really)

>

> It took awhile to get up to the dosages I did but my older son was on 5 ProEFA

and 5 ProEPA a day which kept him off all meds and a good student -but as

brilliant as he is (he tested 99th percentile) he still sometimes got Bs or even

occasionally a C as his study and work habits were horrific...he just picked up

the work and got by.

>

> My younger child Tanner was at one point up to 6 ProEFA and 3 ProEPA but for

the past few years he's been on 4 ProEFA and 2 ProEPA

>

> The change for both was NV. If you use NV you will be able to lower fish oil

dosage but may take a bit of time as it strengthens the metabolic system.

>

> After a few months I have been able to lower dosage for Tanner -Dakota just a

tweak lower but he hasn't been on NV as long. Tanner is now on 2 ProEFA and 1

ProEPA and again he is 14 and 6 foot tall. But even though we lowered his

dosage we have seen incredible surges across the board in everything from

academics and multitasking to of course speech and language and abstract humor.

In addition even if I ask him many times " do you need any help at all? " with the

tons of homework he gets he says " no I'm doing it " and works independently.

Prior it was always my homework too!!! My older son Dakota- HUGE HUGE change in

focus at school, no longer procrastinates on what homework needs to be done -and

his grades as he is in a HS that is also a college here so he's working on

college level and will get a HS and 2 year college degree at the same time -in

advanced math the highest score was 105 and Dakota got a 101 -well higher than

anyone else in the class...he didn't even study for the test. I highly highly

suggest you look into NV with your child's pediatrician or neurologist as well.

Here is a sheet to share http://pursuitofresearch.org/NutriiVeda_Information.pdf

and here are some of the areas it is working in

http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html and possible theories as to why

http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

>

> For all those using NV please take the survey if you have not already

http://pursuitofresearch.org/survey.html and let us know if you are willing to

work with professionals as we have a few now that are interested in the data we

have already.

>

> Unlike supplements which can come with side effects if you overdose or the

body can't digest them -this product is 100 percent whole food and water soluble

-so the purest and most balanced, easily digestible form of supplementation. It

contains all of the essential amino acids and nutrients from whole food sources

per serving. It's rare to get all the essential amino acids in one meal.

Essential amino acids, like the essential fatty acids (the fish oils) the body

needs daily. Essential means the body needs it but can't produce it so you need

to consume it. If the body has the essential nutrients it needs you don't have

to and shouldn't supplement unless a doctor advises otherwise because the body

will make what it needs that is non essential.

>

> So I highly recommend supplementation of fish oils and NV to supply the

essential nutrients. Fish oils you should see results in a day to three weeks.

NV a day to three days. Pretty much across the board for NV -and at least 80

percent success rate for fish oils from what is being reported.

>

> Hope that helps.

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

When did you decided to up the dosage for tanner? Any age specific or weight?

Sent from my iPod

On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:11 PM, " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> wrote:

> Hi !

>

> Unless you purchased the liquid already I'd purchase the capsules. A half

teaspoon of ProEFA liquid (or it's commercial equivalent Omega 369) is about the

same as two full capsules of ProEFA (or it's

> commercial equivalent Omega 369)

>

> Use the liquid if you have it. Also the shelf life isn't long once opened

-only about 4 months. The capsules on the other hand even once you open the

bottle are good for up to 4 years, So if you have the liquid use it quick (if

your child doesn't mind the taste of it-mine does) Some here may like the liquid

because they think it's easier to use -but the capsules are better in my opinion

for various reasons including years longer shelf life, easy to control dosage,

easy to travel with, not a big deal if you spill the bottle over. Passed Tanner

taste test (liquid didn't) And..yes...you can just use a pin and " poof " like

magic the capsule is 'oil' but the oil without a capsule -can't turn it into a

capsule. If you were using capsules I'd suggest starting with one capsule of

ProEFA -that would be about the same as 1/4 a teaspoon of the liquid ProEFA. 1/2

teaspoon of ProEFA oil is close to the equivalent of about 2 capsules of ProEFA.

>

> Sadly -it still does appear that unless NN offers a dropper that clearly has

lines that state " one capsule " " two capsules " or something like that as a guide

as I suggested -that with use of the oils -those of you using the straight oil

will no longer be able to share with all of us accurately -or even know yourself

- what dosage you are giving your child you are finding to be " too high " " too

low " or " perfect! " You will only be able to estimate. The best we can advise now

with the oil is that " 1/2 teaspoon of ProEFA oil is close to the equivalent of

about 2 capsules of ProEFA "

>

> Also even if one was going to want to go higher in dosage you are better off

in almost all but rare instances to raise the EPA (one of the Omega 3s) with say

ProEPA on a two to one ratio. So 2 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA or 1/2 teaspoon of ProEFA

if you are using liquid to one capsule of ProEPA (as that doesn't come in

liquid)

>

> As far as what we found best for ADD -a one to one ratio of ProEFA to ProEPA.

yes the Jr and 8 years old is the age to start teaching how to swallow capsules

-but keep in mind the Jr. capsules are about twice as expensive as the regular

as you get about the same amount of capsules but each is only a half dosage for

around the same cost. Worth it to teach a child how to swallow the capsules

however.

>

> If you gave 2 Jr. sized capsules to Madelyn that would be one capsule of

ProEFA or 1/4 a teaspoon of the liquid. Now you are probably seeing why I prefer

the capsules especially with new people. It's very confusing if you don't know

about it -and there is a science to the PUFAs (polyunsaturated fatty acids) The

more you learn about the PUFAs the more you learn you don't know- as it's very

complex. Here's some basic information about the PUFAs

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efawhatsthat.html But the good

news is that you don't always have to understand everything for them to " work "

>

> My older son Dakota had a number of birth issues and injuries/diagnosis as an

infant which through his neurologists and therapy he overcame to end up with

numerous MDs diagnosing him as ADHD a few years later (which was a " normal "

diagnosis for me that I embraced after all his life threatening and severe

issues as well as his risks for debilitating and life threatening impairments

due to his traumatic birth injuries) So ADHD for the older one who is now 16. My

" baby " Tanner who just turned 14 years old (and is also 6 foot high like his

brother) is my child with apraxia. So here's the breakdown one more time

>

> Apraxia 2 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA ratio (starting at just this to up to triple

dosage in this group)

>

> ADHD 1 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA ratio (my older son worked up to 5X this but over

years and it kept him off all meds that various neuros wanted to put him on)

>

> Just a note -the Omega 369 and ProEFA are the same thing but the Omega 369 is

the commercial line and ProEFA is in the professional line. The " Pro " line is a

bit cheaper as you get 30 extra capsules for the same cost but you have to buy

online such as at http://www.speech411.com or from a professional. The ProEPA in

the commercial line is called just EPA (really)

>

> It took awhile to get up to the dosages I did but my older son was on 5 ProEFA

and 5 ProEPA a day which kept him off all meds and a good student -but as

brilliant as he is (he tested 99th percentile) he still sometimes got Bs or even

occasionally a C as his study and work habits were horrific...he just picked up

the work and got by.

>

> My younger child Tanner was at one point up to 6 ProEFA and 3 ProEPA but for

the past few years he's been on 4 ProEFA and 2 ProEPA

>

> The change for both was NV. If you use NV you will be able to lower fish oil

dosage but may take a bit of time as it strengthens the metabolic system.

>

> After a few months I have been able to lower dosage for Tanner -Dakota just a

tweak lower but he hasn't been on NV as long. Tanner is now on 2 ProEFA and 1

ProEPA and again he is 14 and 6 foot tall. But even though we lowered his dosage

we have seen incredible surges across the board in everything from academics and

multitasking to of course speech and language and abstract humor. In addition

even if I ask him many times " do you need any help at all? " with the tons of

homework he gets he says " no I'm doing it " and works independently. Prior it was

always my homework too!!! My older son Dakota- HUGE HUGE change in focus at

school, no longer procrastinates on what homework needs to be done -and his

grades as he is in a HS that is also a college here so he's working on college

level and will get a HS and 2 year college degree at the same time -in advanced

math the highest score was 105 and Dakota got a 101 -well higher than anyone

else in the class...he didn't even study for the test. I highly highly suggest

you look into NV with your child's pediatrician or neurologist as well. Here is

a sheet to share http://pursuitofresearch.org/NutriiVeda_Information.pdf and

here are some of the areas it is working in

http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html and possible theories as to why

http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

>

> For all those using NV please take the survey if you have not already

http://pursuitofresearch.org/survey.html and let us know if you are willing to

work with professionals as we have a few now that are interested in the data we

have already.

>

> Unlike supplements which can come with side effects if you overdose or the

body can't digest them -this product is 100 percent whole food and water soluble

-so the purest and most balanced, easily digestible form of supplementation. It

contains all of the essential amino acids and nutrients from whole food sources

per serving. It's rare to get all the essential amino acids in one meal.

Essential amino acids, like the essential fatty acids (the fish oils) the body

needs daily. Essential means the body needs it but can't produce it so you need

to consume it. If the body has the essential nutrients it needs you don't have

to and shouldn't supplement unless a doctor advises otherwise because the body

will make what it needs that is non essential.

>

> So I highly recommend supplementation of fish oils and NV to supply the

essential nutrients. Fish oils you should see results in a day to three weeks.

NV a day to three days. Pretty much across the board for NV -and at least 80

percent success rate for fish oils from what is being reported.

>

> Hope that helps.

>

> =====

>