Re: Frustrated with 4 year-old Late Talker

[Guest guest]

Hi Lim,

One thing that I remember with my son at that age (and still at just turned 11)

is that I got the worst of the behaviour because he felt most comfortable with

me.  He would hold things together during pre-school and school and I would

bear

the brunt of the bad behaviour at home.  That isn't necessarily a bad thing,

just harder for us.  I came to realize that my son needed to feel safe and

comfortable at home. I just worked more at finding things that would lessen his

frustrations.  at that age pecs worked well and gave him a " voice " to tell me

what he wanted.  Another thing that helped him was a weighted vest or

backpack. 

(10 percent of his body weight, 20 minutes on 20 minutes off).  Weighted items

still work very well at calming and organizing his body.

Can you get the school to help with a weighted back pack perhaps?  It sounds

like he needs sensory input through out the day to avoid him being over-loaded

at the end of it. (or if you can get an OT to help out with other ideas, that

would be great!)  Do you have a pecs system in place and school?  it might

help

lessen the frustration for Hugh.

I'll let chime in on the CLO.  I know it's not quite the right " formula "

but I don't know where you live to know another alternative.

sandy

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From: swlim03 <swlim03@...>

Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 2:37:07 AM

Subject: [ ] Frustrated with 4 year-old Late Talker

 

Hi, I am new to the group and have been reading messages posted on the board for

abt a month now. I have been following the ProEPA/EFA supplement closely and

have decided to start my preschooler with a closest equivalent available to us.

We are using the Childlife CLO from GNC. Hugh (my late bloomer) has been making

slight progress but still greatly frustrated most of the time trying to get his

messages across to me/caregivers.

Due to location, we could not access therapists services. The only closest thing

we have is 3x30mins a week of one-to-one specialist teaching in classroom

setting provided by his school. The teachers have been very supportive and

reported that he is less sensory craving and learning to blend into classroom

setting in school.

However, Hugh is not quite the same at home. He tends to get frustrated quickly

and blabbers out single-words that are not related to what he wants to convey.

For e.g. he screamed for food when he's already half asleep on the couch. He has

less tolerance when it's with me. I can't understand that. It is so stressful on

me, sometimes I crack up. I need a solution, so can somebody with similar

experience please share them with me.

regards,

Lim

[Guest guest]

when my child started being so frustrated trying to communicate, we taught him

baby sign. We checked out Signing Time videos from the library and watched them

every morning. It gave him about 100 single word signs so we could at least

know what was in his head. When he started talking (after fish oils) he dropped

the signs.

>

> Hi, I am new to the group and have been reading messages posted on the board

for abt a month now. I have been following the ProEPA/EFA supplement closely and

have decided to start my preschooler with a closest equivalent available to us.

We are using the Childlife CLO from GNC. Hugh (my late bloomer) has been making

slight progress but still greatly frustrated most of the time trying to get his

messages across to me/caregivers.

>

> Due to location, we could not access therapists services. The only closest

thing we have is 3x30mins a week of one-to-one specialist teaching in classroom

setting provided by his school. The teachers have been very supportive and

reported that he is less sensory craving and learning to blend into classroom

setting in school.

>

> However, Hugh is not quite the same at home. He tends to get frustrated

quickly and blabbers out single-words that are not related to what he wants to

convey. For e.g. he screamed for food when he's already half asleep on the

couch. He has less tolerance when it's with me. I can't understand that. It is

so stressful on me, sometimes I crack up. I need a solution, so can somebody

with similar experience please share them with me.

>

>

> regards,

>

> Lim

>

[Guest guest]

what kind of food does he crave?   Is it wheat or dairy?  that may be

something to keep an eye on.  If you havn't already heard that can mean many

things if most of thier diet are wheat and dairy and they are having trouble

speaking.

From: swlim03 <swlim03@...>

Subject: [ ] Frustrated with 4 year-old Late Talker

Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:37 AM

 

Hi, I am new to the group and have been reading messages posted on the

board for abt a month now. I have been following the ProEPA/EFA supplement

closely and have decided to start my preschooler with a closest equivalent

available to us. We are using the Childlife CLO from GNC. Hugh (my late bloomer)

has been making slight progress but still greatly frustrated most of the time

trying to get his messages across to me/caregivers.

Due to location, we could not access therapists services. The only closest thing

we have is 3x30mins a week of one-to-one specialist teaching in classroom

setting provided by his school. The teachers have been very supportive and

reported that he is less sensory craving and learning to blend into classroom

setting in school.

However, Hugh is not quite the same at home. He tends to get frustrated quickly

and blabbers out single-words that are not related to what he wants to convey.

For e.g. he screamed for food when he's already half asleep on the couch. He has

less tolerance when it's with me. I can't understand that. It is so stressful on

me, sometimes I crack up. I need a solution, so can somebody with similar

experience please share them with me.

regards,

Lim

[Guest guest]

Hi Lim and welcome!

If you are close to a GNC then you have access to the exact formula of ProEFA

and ProEPA -except they are marketed under the commercial line Nordic Naturals

" Omega 369 with borage oil " is the " ProEFA " and " EPA " is the same as the

" ProEPA " (great company -weak branding to say the least!) The commercial line

has less capsules per bottle so a bit pricier as you'll be able to find the pro

line online for around the same cost with 30 more capsules- but for sure for

instant gratification you can find the Nordic commercial line in various GNC or

GNC type vitamin or health food stores. I just sent out a long message about

CLO and while yes you may notice subtle differences -that is a different type of

formula. Once you get the ProEFA/Omega 369 stop the CLO and please update us

with what you see, and hear! And BTW -if you do want to use a pure Omega 3

you'd be better off with Coromega -I've never heard of anyone using Childlife so

don't know much about the quality. Also they recommend one teaspoon as the

dosage which is around 1950 IU of vitamin A and the upper tolerable level for

the fat soluble vitamin A is 2000 IU for 1 to 3 YO and from 4 to 8 it's 3000 IU.

Always keep upper tolerable levels in mind when using fish oils from the liver

of the fish -the following link will explain more as to why

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamina.asp

But again not just that -I highly recommend for surge reasons you switch to a

formula that is closer to ProEFA/ProEPA for all the reasons I just sent out in

two earlier messages.

It's not clear if you are in the US or Canada as there are GNCs in both

countries. You say you do not have access to any therapists I'm guessing in

private but your child is receiving three 30 minute one on one speech therapy

sessions a week. However the fact your subject calls your four year old a " late

talker " tells me you still don't have a definitive diagnosis. There is no way

to know if the speech therapy that your child is receiving is appropriate

without knowing the child's diagnosis. Also you want to know if you are only

dealing with speech issues or other issues as well as that appears to be par for

the course for most today with speech issues (sensory, motor planning or

weakness issues in the body etc.) It's OK to point things out but not

appropriate to depend solely on a teacher to assess your child's sensory issues

as that would be either an occupational therapist and or neurodevelopmental

medical doctor.

Being the school has at least one therapist there- there has to be someone you

can drive for hours to see- even if you have to grab a hotel room to make sure

you have a private evaluation from outside the school box. You want a hero on

the outside. What state or country are you in and perhaps as a group we can

make suggestions?

Frustrations for both the child and the parents are very normal in dealing with

late talking children. My older son had much more severe injuries as a baby,

some life threatening, but the difference was that the professionals were there

to help me -provide knowledge to me to help my son. My older son's condition

was taken seriously by all, family, friends, strangers, professionals. On the

other hand you have a " late talker " 4 year old and I bet you still have people

saying you " worry too much " or " give him time " or perhaps you are on to the most

hurtful stage where it switches from that to " what's wrong with him? " asked

right in front of your child! Yes because 4 is about the age that switch

happens- depending upon your child's size may be a bit sooner or later. But of

course both you and your child will be frustrated with the blatant ignorance of

speech impairments. Unless your child is autistic or deaf it's not taken

serious...and then you have all those that are misdiagnosed as autistic and

those with autism and speech impairments where the speech impairment isn't

credited to the reason for the child being nonverbal....add more frustration to

the list for that child!

One other thing is that frustrations mean the child's receptive ability

surpasses his expressive (not that we had to tell you that But that's a

great thing considering the alternative. Have you provided him with any form of

alternative or augmentative communication such as simple sign or simple PECS?

Well don't be overwhelmed -sounds like you are super newbie. The best thing you

can do is to find help to help you -so you came to the right place. Step number

one is definitive diagnosis- private if at all possible with an SLP and a

neurodevelopmental medical doctor.

Again let us know where you are and we'll see how we can help! Hang in there-

it's parents like you out there searching that are the Godsend to the children

with speech impairments. So for sure you are a great mom, and there is much

hope!!

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