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Well this is really good news but very funny too!! There's never anything

different about the formula for nutriiveda -but keep in mind they deal with slow

growing vegetations (see the list here

http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html )and depending upon when they are

harvested etc. there can be actual changes in how the product tastes, blends

etc. I mean for the most part it's the same and it always works. Well Brittany

got this one lot that out of the entire time we've used nutriiveda is the most

bitter tasting -so right after she got it she posted this to my facebook wall

" We got our NV last night...dosed out 1/2 a scoop and gave it to Cale before

bed. Realized this morning that we are out of juice (which I mixed it into last

night) and just dumped it into whatever was in his sippy cup from dinner last

night (not sure what it was). He told me it was " P. U. " LOL I got him to drink

it anyw...ay...guess I need to get more juice :-) I'll let you know how he

does!! "

And I joked to Brittany won't it be funny if this batch that we don't like as

much ends up being even more effective?! And sure enough that is how it seems!

Not that most of you would know because everyone expects nutriiveda to not taste

good anyway since so many say they have trouble getting it into their kids which

is why I came up with this full page!!!

http://pursuitofresearch.org/serving_suggestions.html

Anyway -Brittany and I were talking and she said " Can you imagine me calling the

company and asking for the more bitter tasting nutriiveda?!! "

So that is why this update is both incredible and funny at the same time. Yay

for Brittany and Yay for nutriiveda and Yay for bitter slow growing

vegetation!!!! haha

Brittany can we share your update on our testimony page (taking off email etc of

course) here http://pursuitofresearch.org/testimonials.html

Congratulations!!!

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, feel free to post it wherever :-) It is pretty funny and though it

may seem to be working better, I can't wait to get some " normal " NV to see

if it's easier to get into Cale...it's kinda hard to get him to take this,

no matter how much I dr. it up!!!

In a message dated 7/17/2010 12:15:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

kiddietalk@... writes:

Well this is really good news but very funny too!! There's never anything

different about the formula for nutriiveda -but keep in mind they deal with

slow growing vegetations (see the list here

_http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html_

(http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html) )and

depending upon when they are harvested etc. there can be actual changes in how

the product tastes, blends etc. I mean for the most part it's the same and

it always works. Well Brittany got this one lot that out of the entire time

we've used nutriiveda is the most bitter tasting -so right after she got

it she posted this to my facebook wall

" We got our NV last night...dosed out 1/2 a scoop and gave it to Cale

before bed. Realized this morning that we are out of juice (which I mixed it

into last night) and just dumped it into whatever was in his sippy cup from

dinner last night (not sure what it was). He told me it was " P. U. " LOL I

got him to drink it anyw...ay...guess I need to get more juice :-) I'll let

you know how he does!! "

And I joked to Brittany won't it be funny if this batch that we don't like

as much ends up being even more effective?! And sure enough that is how it

seems! Not that most of you would know because everyone expects nutriiveda

to not taste good anyway since so many say they have trouble getting it

into their kids which is why I came up with this full page!!!

_http://pursuitofresearch.org/serving_suggestions.html_

(http://pursuitofresearch.org/serving_suggestions.html)

Anyway -Brittany and I were talking and she said " Can you imagine me

calling the company and asking for the more bitter tasting nutriiveda?!! "

So that is why this update is both incredible and funny at the same time.

Yay for Brittany and Yay for nutriiveda and Yay for bitter slow growing

vegetation!!!! haha

Brittany can we share your update on our testimony page (taking off email

etc of course) here _http://pursuitofresearch.org/testimonials.html_

(http://pursuitofresearch.org/testimonials.html)

Congratulations!!!

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>

> Hello, All!!

> My son, Cale, is 2 1/2 and just started Nutriiveda on Wednesday night,

so

> not even 3 days, and we are already seeing results, as early as late

> Wednesday night/early Thursday morning (seriously, after it only being

in him for

> a few hours!)!!!! I'm impressed, to say the least!!! While we haven't

> noticed the possible extra " hyperness " that is often seen in the first

week, we

> have noticed that he's been sucking on his finger a few times and he's

> never done that before (not a big deal since he's improved in so many

other

> areas). Anyway, he has been able to repeat a three word sentence (never

able

> to do that before), even though the words still follow his normal

pattern on

> dropping off the beginning sound (So, the sentence, " Mommy, jump please "

> came out " Mommy, ump eez " )...but still amazing! We've been trying to get

him

> to repeat TWO word sentences/phrases with no luck up until now, and he

> repeated a THREE word sentence! Awesome! He was also able to put the " B "

sound

> on " bear " the other day with his therapist, which he's never been able

to

> put a B on any word except ball, even though we've been working on it

for

> ages. He is also trying to say more words and when we correct how he's

> saying it (since he's dropping off the beginning sounds, as usual), he's

much

> more able to produce a word that sounds more like it should! He also, on

his

> own, said " mommy car " and pointed at my van....a two word phrase on HIS

> OWN!!!

> Okay, obviously I'm ecstatic and just wanted to share! I'm so glad we

were

> able to find a way to fit NV into our budget--best thing I've ever done

for

> my son!!!

> -Brittany

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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I know that I've seen parents/caregivers on here be happy about it as well

because it's like their mouth is " waking up " ...I get that, so I guess it's

good...but in reality, when I'm out in public, I don't like him to have

attention drawn to himself ;-) He's only done it a couple of times, so it's

not even close to bothering me at this point and even if it did, I wouldn't

stop the NV. But thanks for the gum suggestion, I will have to give that a

try if it gets worse!!

In a message dated 7/18/2010 5:58:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

mykitkate@... writes:

I don't know if this is the same thing as sucking fingers when first

starting NV but when my son started fish oils he started chewing on his

clothing. His therapist seemed to think this was good and I don't recall the

reason

why. In therapy she gave him chewing gum and don't know if that's the

reason but he doesn't chew on his clothes anymore and he's been doing very

well. Kate

>

> Hello, All!!

> My son, Cale, is 2 1/2 and just started Nutriiveda on Wednesday night,

so

> not even 3 days, and we are already seeing results, as early as late

> Wednesday night/early Thursday morning (seriously, after it only being

in him for

> a few hours!)!!!! I'm impressed, to say the least!!! While we haven't

> noticed the possible extra " hyperness " that is often seen in the first

week, we

> have noticed that he's been sucking on his finger a few times and he's

> never done that before (not a big deal since he's improved in so many

other

> areas). Anyway, he has been able to repeat a three word sentence (never

able

> to do that before), even though the words still follow his normal

pattern on

> dropping off the beginning sound (So, the sentence, " Mommy, jump please "

> came out " Mommy, ump eez " )...but still amazing! We've been trying to get

him

> to repeat TWO word sentences/phrases with no luck up until now, and he

> repeated a THREE word sentence! Awesome! He was also able to put the " B "

sound

> on " bear " the other day with his therapist, which he's never been able

to

> put a B on any word except ball, even though we've been working on it

for

> ages. He is also trying to say more words and when we correct how he's

> saying it (since he's dropping off the beginning sounds, as usual), he's

much

> more able to produce a word that sounds more like it should! He also, on

his

> own, said " mommy car " and pointed at my van....a two word phrase on HIS

> OWN!!!

> Okay, obviously I'm ecstatic and just wanted to share! I'm so glad we

were

> able to find a way to fit NV into our budget--best thing I've ever done

for

> my son!!!

> -Brittany

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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Well, we only started the fish oils like a month (?) before the NV, so

maybe it IS the fish oils?

-Brittany

In a message dated 7/18/2010 9:23:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

kiddietalk@... writes:

Hey Brittany!

It's called the oral exploration stage which we've heard about with fish

oils here and there... think you are the first to report this with

nutriiveda? Based on the parallels being reported with fish oils- I am sure

we'll

soon have to add this here too _http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html_

(http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html) This is a great sign as it's a

normal developmental stage that some of our kids don't go through or go

through fully. You can try other things for him to suck on during this

stage...when you see him sucking his fingers -offer him a lollipop.

_http://www.yummyearth.com_ (http://www.yummyearth.com/) are great!!

Here's more from the archives:

~~~~~~~~~~~start of archive

I would not view chewing on clothes and other things as a regression or a

sign of PDD (it " could " be oral exploration -teething)

EFAs cause surges in many areas -receptive, expressive, focus,

attention etc. ...or in rare cases they don't work and 'just' keep

you healthy. And I guess because a few brought up the teething aspect -we

can add that to the list of early signs EFAs are working. Anyway -below is

an archive which kind of sums up the rest.

" Believe it or not -this one is in the archives. This was considered

> yet another 'bad sign' that is really a good sign. Some children

> never fully

> go through the teething stage which is a healthy part of oral

> exploration

> important for

> developing speech.

_http://www.feeding.com/images/Oral%20Exploration.PDF_

(http://www.feeding.com/images/Oral%20Exploration.PDF)

Also you say he's only been on the EFAs for 6 days -it would take one day

to three weeks for most to see the first surges.

> What you can do is lower or stop the ProEFA if this really bothers

> you -and

> provide a more appropriate teething material for your child to chew

> on. Gum perhaps?

>

> If not -here are some others:

> _http://www.new-vis.com/fym/papers/p-feed1.htm_

(http://www.new-vis.com/fym/papers/p-feed1.htm) "

Article on thumb sucking:

Thumb Plays Crucial Role in Speech

By , MAT, SLP

It's not just for gratification or pacification. There is a greater

purpose for thumb-sucking that we now know begins in the womb for

most babies, " says speech pathologist P. Streicher. " That

purpose is to integrate the bodily systems for a growth and

development pattern that conforms to the design of the human body. "

Thanks to technological advances, many mothers who were once

ridiculed for claiming they could hear their unborn babies sucking

have been vindicated. Sonograms have provided evidence that most

babies begin thumb-sucking in the womb.

Now Streicher is providing the evidence that thumb-sucking

establishes neurological pathways crucial for life's first learning

experience & #65533;feeding at the breast & #65533;and for speech and language

development.

After graduating from the University of Southern California in 1959,

Streicher entered the field of speech and hearing to search for the

cause of speech disorders. He began his career in the Torrance, CA,

school district, where he conducted a three-year study on speech

disorders, working with dentists, psychologists and other speech

pathologists. He found that the common denominator to speech, dental

and mental factors was oral habits.

In 1968 Streicher established speech therapy programs for parochial

schools in Southern California. He continued to involve dentists in

his evaluations and assessments. He expanded his practice in 1976 to

include the dental offices of Arthur Berke, DDS, a specialist in

pediatric dentistry and orthodontics. Streicher and Berke documented

oral habits and their impact on speech.

From 1982 until his retirement in 1995, Streicher conducted seminars

and training programs for dental and speech professionals. During

this time, he also continued his practice with Berke and added

services for three more Southern California communities at the

dental offices of Loomis, Yoshikawa and Jay Vorah.

Streicher spent 40 years researching and building clinical proof for

his theory that things done to the mouth habitually require the body

to adapt. He found that the body adapts by establishing reflex

patterns that redirect function and growth patterns for survival.

The body adapts to the way it is used.

Sonograms and suck marks on skin tissue show us that not all unborn

babies find the thumb. There are babies who begin sucking on other

parts, like their fingers, toes or kneecaps. Those who miss the

thumb and establish a suck pattern with another body part are not

prepared for successful feeding, according to Streicher. It takes

the correct thumb suck to establish the suck and swallow reflex

dictated by design.

Neurological patterns that do not conform to design can be

established in the womb or any time after birth. Therefore, correct

oral function can be thrown off course, causing a defective speech

pattern to develop at any age.

Most speech problems begin at a very young age for children who

acquire an oral habit. Streicher found that habits involving cloth

are the most common cause of delayed speech. Cloth literally wipes

out speech sounds. The further back in the mouth the cloth is

shoved, the more speech sounds are affected.

Examples of cloth habits include sucking on a favored baby blanket

or bedding, sucking water out of washcloths, and chewing or sucking

on clothing or a stuffed toy.

Streicher has defined oral habits as anything that goes into, up

against or around the oral structure persistently and consistently.

" We cause our bodies to alter the way they function to accommodate

our habits, " he said. " I'm talking about specific types of habits, ones

that involve incorrect use of a body part or foreign object. "

Body parts can be fingers, fingernails, toes, skin, cheeks, lips or

the tongue habitually sucked or bitten. Foreign objects often

misused in a similar fashion include cloth, jewelry, hair clips,

pens, carpenter nails and toys. The list of possibilities is

endless, and no two habits are identical. They vary as much as the

people who are born with or acquire them.

A number of cases have been documented that show how varying speech

and dental growth patterns conform to habit patterns.1 A pebble in

the shoe affects the way a person walks depending on where it is

positioned in the shoe, explained Streicher. Likewise, the position

of a body part or object in the mouth determines how we talk.

Although no two habits are the same, there are similarities.

Streicher once gathered together six children of different cultural

backgrounds for a school dentist to see. He asked the dentist if he

knew what the children's common habit was that had caused their

dental arches to widen. When the dentist was unable to identify the

habit, Streicher explained that each child sucked on four fingers.

How do four fingers holding the tongue down affect speech? Do a

little experiment. Put four fingers of one hand over your tongue and

talk. What does your speech sound like? Imagine doing this enough to

train your tongue to flatten whenever you speak. Think about nerve

integration and functions other than speech.

While engaged in habits, individuals continue to swallow, breathe

and think. Many walk, talk, play, work, and sleep while doing their

habit. Their bodies adapt, and an adjustment in coordination and

balance takes place. Bone grows in the direction muscles direct it.

Muscle function is trained by habits.

At least 85 percent of all orthodontic patients are nail-biters or

former nail-biters, Streicher found. Nail-biting trains the jaw to

function off-center and with tension and often leads to secondary

habits of gritting and grinding.

" It only takes one week of biting nails, perhaps just that first week

of kindergarten before a teacher or parents gets the child to stop,

to train a jaw shift, " stated Streicher. " The nails don't have to be

bitten to get a nail-biting pattern. It may be a habit of biting the

cuticles, cleaning the nails, or nibbling on skin tissue. "

Nail habits are performed in many ways. Some individuals bite every

nail in the same place, thereby shifting the jaw in the same

direction and bringing the same teeth edge to edge as they bite each

nail. Some bite the nails of one hand to one side and then shift to

the other side for the other hand, while others bite each nail in a

different place. The jaw shift seen in speech conforms to the habit

pattern. Streicher can visualize the pattern without seeing the

habit performed; the wear on the teeth and the jaw movement during

speech paints the picture.

The amount and direction of pressure against the teeth and dental

arches determines how they become misshapen and how teeth wear down

prematurely. For teeth to meet edge to edge in any biting habit, the

jaw is used off-center. Many individuals develop a secondary habit

of holding their jaw off-center with teeth edge to edge as they

perform various tasks or in response to mental stress.

The jaw grows in the direction it is used, Streicher discovered.

Habits that constantly position the jaw forward will grow the

individual into a dental Class III. A functional Class III describes

a jaw that moves forward frequently but is not held in the forward

position long enough to cause a structural change. Muscles holding a

jaw to one side cause the jaw and face to grow crooked.

For diagnostic purposes Streicher considers that normal growth and

balance attain symmetry. Correct facial muscle training begins in

the womb with the proper thumb suck.

" It is natural for the fetus to place a thumb in the mouth at a

particular time, " he said. " The growth and position of the fetus

allows this to happen. The design of the body allows a little elbow

to bend and a little thumb to reach the mouth. It is supposed to

happen. There is a purpose. "

Is all thumb-sucking done correctly? No. Streicher reported the case

of one child who wrapped an arm over his head and inserted his thumb

upside-down into the opposite side of his mouth.1

Some children suck their thumb to one side or turn the thumb over.

Some suck with enough force to leave thumb imprints in their palates

or to form a nail slit. Anything imaginable is possible.

The correctly positioned thumb reaches the palate without bending at

the knuckle. Fingers curl over the nose to maintain center position

for the thumb. The tongue shape and the jaw position conform to the

thumb. The front of the tongue rests against the inside lower front

arch. The remainder billows out, touching the palate without pulling

away from the floor of the mouth. When the thumb is removed, the

tongue fills in the oral cavity, resting with equal pressure against

the inner walls of the arches (and later teeth), palate and floor.

Thus, the tongue supports the dental arches and teeth from inside

the framework.

Facial muscles that are relaxed and function correctly provide equal

pressure and support from the outside. With equal pressure applied,

and no habits to create an imbalance, the result is nicely rounded

arches and aligned teeth.

" It's time to face the music, " observed Streicher. " The speech and

dental professions have been teaching the wrong tongue position. A

low success rate supports this claim as well as my claim that

current speech therapy and dental treatments address only symptoms.

Speech pathologists aim for controlling a dysfunctional pattern, and

dentists use man-made force to combat the forces of nature. "

An overview of speech and dental history explains how current

treatments have come about.1 While Streicher acknowledges that these

treatments came about because causes were unknown, he warns

professionals of the dangers of making assumptions. He credits

myofunctional therapists and orofacial myologists for the

connections they have made, but he points out what they have missed.

This month, Streicher is offering a full-day presentation at the

Annual Convention of the International Association of Orofacial

Myology (IAOM) in Detroit, MI. He will explain how causative habits

are identified and how the thumb can be used to retrain the body to

function according to design.

" I am not teaching thumb-sucking, " he said. " In fact, I use thumb

therapy to stop any suck pattern that has remained past weaning. "

At 73, Streicher is retired from clinical practice. He now writes

about his lifelong research and provides training with the help of

several therapists who have trained under him.

Reference

1. Streicher, J.P. & , K.B. (2001). The Pebble in the Shoe,

Enumclaw WA: WinePress Publishing.

, a speech-language pathologist for nearly 20 years,

was Streicher's first speech pathologist trainee in 1984. She co-

authored his book and is now preparing to publish a supplement about

the therapy and how it works for stuttering and a book on stress-

tension-pain disorders.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end of archive

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I don't know if this is the same thing as sucking fingers when first starting NV

but when my son started fish oils he started chewing on his clothing. His

therapist seemed to think this was good and I don't recall the reason why. In

therapy she gave him chewing gum and don't know if that's the reason but he

doesn't chew on his clothes anymore and he's been doing very well. Kate

>

> Hello, All!!

> My son, Cale, is 2 1/2 and just started Nutriiveda on Wednesday night, so

> not even 3 days, and we are already seeing results, as early as late

> Wednesday night/early Thursday morning (seriously, after it only being in him

for

> a few hours!)!!!! I'm impressed, to say the least!!! While we haven't

> noticed the possible extra " hyperness " that is often seen in the first week,

we

> have noticed that he's been sucking on his finger a few times and he's

> never done that before (not a big deal since he's improved in so many other

> areas). Anyway, he has been able to repeat a three word sentence (never able

> to do that before), even though the words still follow his normal pattern on

> dropping off the beginning sound (So, the sentence, " Mommy, jump please "

> came out " Mommy, ump eez " )...but still amazing! We've been trying to get him

> to repeat TWO word sentences/phrases with no luck up until now, and he

> repeated a THREE word sentence! Awesome! He was also able to put the " B "

sound

> on " bear " the other day with his therapist, which he's never been able to

> put a B on any word except ball, even though we've been working on it for

> ages. He is also trying to say more words and when we correct how he's

> saying it (since he's dropping off the beginning sounds, as usual), he's much

> more able to produce a word that sounds more like it should! He also, on his

> own, said " mommy car " and pointed at my van....a two word phrase on HIS

> OWN!!!

> Okay, obviously I'm ecstatic and just wanted to share! I'm so glad we were

> able to find a way to fit NV into our budget--best thing I've ever done for

> my son!!!

> -Brittany

>

>

>

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Hey Brittany!

It's called the oral exploration stage which we've heard about with fish oils

here and there... think you are the first to report this with nutriiveda? Based

on the parallels being reported with fish oils- I am sure we'll soon have to add

this here too http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html This is a great sign

as it's a normal developmental stage that some of our kids don't go through or

go through fully. You can try other things for him to suck on during this

stage...when you see him sucking his fingers -offer him a lollipop.

http://www.yummyearth.com are great!!

Here's more from the archives:

~~~~~~~~~~~start of archive

I would not view chewing on clothes and other things as a regression or a sign

of PDD (it " could " be oral exploration -teething)

EFAs cause surges in many areas -receptive, expressive, focus,

attention etc. ...or in rare cases they don't work and 'just' keep

you healthy. And I guess because a few brought up the teething aspect -we can

add that to the list of early signs EFAs are working. Anyway -below is an

archive which kind of sums up the rest.

" Believe it or not -this one is in the archives. This was considered

> yet another 'bad sign' that is really a good sign. Some children

> never fully

> go through the teething stage which is a healthy part of oral

> exploration

> important for

> developing speech.

http://www.feeding.com/images/Oral%20Exploration.PDF

Also you say he's only been on the EFAs for 6 days -it would take one day to

three weeks for most to see the first surges.

> What you can do is lower or stop the ProEFA if this really bothers

> you -and

> provide a more appropriate teething material for your child to chew

> on. Gum perhaps?

>

> If not -here are some others:

> http://www.new-vis.com/fym/papers/p-feed1.htm "

Article on thumb sucking:

Thumb Plays Crucial Role in Speech

By , MAT, SLP

It's not just for gratification or pacification. There is a greater

purpose for thumb-sucking that we now know begins in the womb for

most babies, " says speech pathologist P. Streicher. " That

purpose is to integrate the bodily systems for a growth and

development pattern that conforms to the design of the human body. "

Thanks to technological advances, many mothers who were once

ridiculed for claiming they could hear their unborn babies sucking

have been vindicated. Sonograms have provided evidence that most

babies begin thumb-sucking in the womb.

Now Streicher is providing the evidence that thumb-sucking

establishes neurological pathways crucial for life's first learning

experience & #65533;feeding at the breast & #65533;and for speech and language

development.

After graduating from the University of Southern California in 1959,

Streicher entered the field of speech and hearing to search for the

cause of speech disorders. He began his career in the Torrance, CA,

school district, where he conducted a three-year study on speech

disorders, working with dentists, psychologists and other speech

pathologists. He found that the common denominator to speech, dental

and mental factors was oral habits.

In 1968 Streicher established speech therapy programs for parochial

schools in Southern California. He continued to involve dentists in

his evaluations and assessments. He expanded his practice in 1976 to

include the dental offices of Arthur Berke, DDS, a specialist in

pediatric dentistry and orthodontics. Streicher and Berke documented

oral habits and their impact on speech.

From 1982 until his retirement in 1995, Streicher conducted seminars

and training programs for dental and speech professionals. During

this time, he also continued his practice with Berke and added

services for three more Southern California communities at the

dental offices of Loomis, Yoshikawa and Jay Vorah.

Streicher spent 40 years researching and building clinical proof for

his theory that things done to the mouth habitually require the body

to adapt. He found that the body adapts by establishing reflex

patterns that redirect function and growth patterns for survival.

The body adapts to the way it is used.

Sonograms and suck marks on skin tissue show us that not all unborn

babies find the thumb. There are babies who begin sucking on other

parts, like their fingers, toes or kneecaps. Those who miss the

thumb and establish a suck pattern with another body part are not

prepared for successful feeding, according to Streicher. It takes

the correct thumb suck to establish the suck and swallow reflex

dictated by design.

Neurological patterns that do not conform to design can be

established in the womb or any time after birth. Therefore, correct

oral function can be thrown off course, causing a defective speech

pattern to develop at any age.

Most speech problems begin at a very young age for children who

acquire an oral habit. Streicher found that habits involving cloth

are the most common cause of delayed speech. Cloth literally wipes

out speech sounds. The further back in the mouth the cloth is

shoved, the more speech sounds are affected.

Examples of cloth habits include sucking on a favored baby blanket

or bedding, sucking water out of washcloths, and chewing or sucking

on clothing or a stuffed toy.

Streicher has defined oral habits as anything that goes into, up

against or around the oral structure persistently and consistently.

" We cause our bodies to alter the way they function to accommodate

our habits, " he said. " I'm talking about specific types of habits, ones that

involve incorrect use of a body part or foreign object. "

Body parts can be fingers, fingernails, toes, skin, cheeks, lips or

the tongue habitually sucked or bitten. Foreign objects often

misused in a similar fashion include cloth, jewelry, hair clips,

pens, carpenter nails and toys. The list of possibilities is

endless, and no two habits are identical. They vary as much as the

people who are born with or acquire them.

A number of cases have been documented that show how varying speech

and dental growth patterns conform to habit patterns.1 A pebble in

the shoe affects the way a person walks depending on where it is

positioned in the shoe, explained Streicher. Likewise, the position

of a body part or object in the mouth determines how we talk.

Although no two habits are the same, there are similarities.

Streicher once gathered together six children of different cultural

backgrounds for a school dentist to see. He asked the dentist if he

knew what the children's common habit was that had caused their

dental arches to widen. When the dentist was unable to identify the

habit, Streicher explained that each child sucked on four fingers.

How do four fingers holding the tongue down affect speech? Do a

little experiment. Put four fingers of one hand over your tongue and

talk. What does your speech sound like? Imagine doing this enough to

train your tongue to flatten whenever you speak. Think about nerve

integration and functions other than speech.

While engaged in habits, individuals continue to swallow, breathe

and think. Many walk, talk, play, work, and sleep while doing their

habit. Their bodies adapt, and an adjustment in coordination and

balance takes place. Bone grows in the direction muscles direct it.

Muscle function is trained by habits.

At least 85 percent of all orthodontic patients are nail-biters or

former nail-biters, Streicher found. Nail-biting trains the jaw to

function off-center and with tension and often leads to secondary

habits of gritting and grinding.

" It only takes one week of biting nails, perhaps just that first week

of kindergarten before a teacher or parents gets the child to stop,

to train a jaw shift, " stated Streicher. " The nails don't have to be

bitten to get a nail-biting pattern. It may be a habit of biting the

cuticles, cleaning the nails, or nibbling on skin tissue. "

Nail habits are performed in many ways. Some individuals bite every

nail in the same place, thereby shifting the jaw in the same

direction and bringing the same teeth edge to edge as they bite each

nail. Some bite the nails of one hand to one side and then shift to

the other side for the other hand, while others bite each nail in a

different place. The jaw shift seen in speech conforms to the habit

pattern. Streicher can visualize the pattern without seeing the

habit performed; the wear on the teeth and the jaw movement during

speech paints the picture.

The amount and direction of pressure against the teeth and dental

arches determines how they become misshapen and how teeth wear down

prematurely. For teeth to meet edge to edge in any biting habit, the

jaw is used off-center. Many individuals develop a secondary habit

of holding their jaw off-center with teeth edge to edge as they

perform various tasks or in response to mental stress.

The jaw grows in the direction it is used, Streicher discovered.

Habits that constantly position the jaw forward will grow the

individual into a dental Class III. A functional Class III describes

a jaw that moves forward frequently but is not held in the forward

position long enough to cause a structural change. Muscles holding a

jaw to one side cause the jaw and face to grow crooked.

For diagnostic purposes Streicher considers that normal growth and

balance attain symmetry. Correct facial muscle training begins in

the womb with the proper thumb suck.

" It is natural for the fetus to place a thumb in the mouth at a

particular time, " he said. " The growth and position of the fetus

allows this to happen. The design of the body allows a little elbow

to bend and a little thumb to reach the mouth. It is supposed to

happen. There is a purpose. "

Is all thumb-sucking done correctly? No. Streicher reported the case

of one child who wrapped an arm over his head and inserted his thumb

upside-down into the opposite side of his mouth.1

Some children suck their thumb to one side or turn the thumb over.

Some suck with enough force to leave thumb imprints in their palates

or to form a nail slit. Anything imaginable is possible.

The correctly positioned thumb reaches the palate without bending at

the knuckle. Fingers curl over the nose to maintain center position

for the thumb. The tongue shape and the jaw position conform to the

thumb. The front of the tongue rests against the inside lower front

arch. The remainder billows out, touching the palate without pulling

away from the floor of the mouth. When the thumb is removed, the

tongue fills in the oral cavity, resting with equal pressure against

the inner walls of the arches (and later teeth), palate and floor.

Thus, the tongue supports the dental arches and teeth from inside

the framework.

Facial muscles that are relaxed and function correctly provide equal

pressure and support from the outside. With equal pressure applied,

and no habits to create an imbalance, the result is nicely rounded

arches and aligned teeth.

" It's time to face the music, " observed Streicher. " The speech and

dental professions have been teaching the wrong tongue position. A

low success rate supports this claim as well as my claim that

current speech therapy and dental treatments address only symptoms.

Speech pathologists aim for controlling a dysfunctional pattern, and

dentists use man-made force to combat the forces of nature. "

An overview of speech and dental history explains how current

treatments have come about.1 While Streicher acknowledges that these

treatments came about because causes were unknown, he warns

professionals of the dangers of making assumptions. He credits

myofunctional therapists and orofacial myologists for the

connections they have made, but he points out what they have missed.

This month, Streicher is offering a full-day presentation at the

Annual Convention of the International Association of Orofacial

Myology (IAOM) in Detroit, MI. He will explain how causative habits

are identified and how the thumb can be used to retrain the body to

function according to design.

" I am not teaching thumb-sucking, " he said. " In fact, I use thumb

therapy to stop any suck pattern that has remained past weaning. "

At 73, Streicher is retired from clinical practice. He now writes

about his lifelong research and provides training with the help of

several therapists who have trained under him.

Reference

1. Streicher, J.P. & , K.B. (2001). The Pebble in the Shoe,

Enumclaw WA: WinePress Publishing.

, a speech-language pathologist for nearly 20 years,

was Streicher's first speech pathologist trainee in 1984. She co-

authored his book and is now preparing to publish a supplement about

the therapy and how it works for stuttering and a book on stress-

tension-pain disorders.

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A little over a week ago my son, turning 2 next week, started putting his hands

in his mouth in fact durnig his last therapy session he wouldn't keep his hands

out of his mouth.  This was 6 days after starting fish oil.  I have never

noticed that he put his hands in his mouth before, not even as a little baby. 

We started fish oil 2 weeks after starting therapy so I wasn't sure which one it

was, I didn't know this was normal after starting fish oil. He now has 3 words

as well!!!

My therapist asked me if he drooled a lot as a baby.  He is my only child who

never wore a bib, he never drooled.  I have read that kids with Apraxia drool a

lot when they are little.  My son has always kept his mouth closed, very tight

lipped.  Is this normal with Apraxia or not?  His current diagnosis is

expressive language delay because of his age.

From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Not even 2 days on NV!!

Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 9:08 AM

Hey Brittany!

It's called the oral exploration stage which we've heard about with fish oils

here and there... think you are the first to report this with nutriiveda? Based

on the parallels being reported with fish oils- I am sure we'll soon have to add

this here too http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html This is a great sign

as it's a normal developmental stage that some of our kids don't go through or

go through fully. You can try other things for him to suck on during this

stage...when you see him sucking his fingers -offer him a lollipop.

http://www.yummyearth.com are great!!

Here's more from the archives:

~~~~~~~~~~~start of archive

I would not view chewing on clothes and other things as a regression or a sign

of PDD (it " could " be oral exploration -teething)

EFAs cause surges in many areas -receptive, expressive, focus,

attention etc. ...or in rare cases they don't work and 'just' keep

you healthy. And I guess because a few brought up the teething aspect -we can

add that to the list of early signs EFAs are working. Anyway -below is an

archive which kind of sums up the rest.

" Believe it or not -this one is in the archives. This was considered

> yet another 'bad sign' that is really a good sign. Some children

> never fully

> go through the teething stage which is a healthy part of oral

> exploration

> important for

> developing speech.

http://www.feeding.com/images/Oral%20Exploration.PDF

Also you say he's only been on the EFAs for 6 days -it would take one day to

three weeks for most to see the first surges.

> What you can do is lower or stop the ProEFA if this really bothers

> you -and

> provide a more appropriate teething material for your child to chew

> on. Gum perhaps?

>

> If not -here are some others:

> http://www.new-vis.com/fym/papers/p-feed1.htm "

Article on thumb sucking:

Thumb Plays Crucial Role in Speech

By , MAT, SLP

It's not just for gratification or pacification. There is a greater

purpose for thumb-sucking that we now know begins in the womb for

most babies, " says speech pathologist P. Streicher. " That

purpose is to integrate the bodily systems for a growth and

development pattern that conforms to the design of the human body. "

Thanks to technological advances, many mothers who were once

ridiculed for claiming they could hear their unborn babies sucking

have been vindicated. Sonograms have provided evidence that most

babies begin thumb-sucking in the womb.

Now Streicher is providing the evidence that thumb-sucking

establishes neurological pathways crucial for life's first learning

experience & #65533;feeding at the breast & #65533;and for speech and language

development.

After graduating from the University of Southern California in 1959,

Streicher entered the field of speech and hearing to search for the

cause of speech disorders. He began his career in the Torrance, CA,

school district, where he conducted a three-year study on speech

disorders, working with dentists, psychologists and other speech

pathologists. He found that the common denominator to speech, dental

and mental factors was oral habits.

In 1968 Streicher established speech therapy programs for parochial

schools in Southern California. He continued to involve dentists in

his evaluations and assessments. He expanded his practice in 1976 to

include the dental offices of Arthur Berke, DDS, a specialist in

pediatric dentistry and orthodontics. Streicher and Berke documented

oral habits and their impact on speech.

From 1982 until his retirement in 1995, Streicher conducted seminars

and training programs for dental and speech professionals. During

this time, he also continued his practice with Berke and added

services for three more Southern California communities at the

dental offices of Loomis, Yoshikawa and Jay Vorah.

Streicher spent 40 years researching and building clinical proof for

his theory that things done to the mouth habitually require the body

to adapt. He found that the body adapts by establishing reflex

patterns that redirect function and growth patterns for survival.

The body adapts to the way it is used.

Sonograms and suck marks on skin tissue show us that not all unborn

babies find the thumb. There are babies who begin sucking on other

parts, like their fingers, toes or kneecaps. Those who miss the

thumb and establish a suck pattern with another body part are not

prepared for successful feeding, according to Streicher. It takes

the correct thumb suck to establish the suck and swallow reflex

dictated by design.

Neurological patterns that do not conform to design can be

established in the womb or any time after birth. Therefore, correct

oral function can be thrown off course, causing a defective speech

pattern to develop at any age.

Most speech problems begin at a very young age for children who

acquire an oral habit. Streicher found that habits involving cloth

are the most common cause of delayed speech. Cloth literally wipes

out speech sounds. The further back in the mouth the cloth is

shoved, the more speech sounds are affected.

Examples of cloth habits include sucking on a favored baby blanket

or bedding, sucking water out of washcloths, and chewing or sucking

on clothing or a stuffed toy.

Streicher has defined oral habits as anything that goes into, up

against or around the oral structure persistently and consistently.

" We cause our bodies to alter the way they function to accommodate

our habits, " he said. " I'm talking about specific types of habits, ones that

involve incorrect use of a body part or foreign object. "

Body parts can be fingers, fingernails, toes, skin, cheeks, lips or

the tongue habitually sucked or bitten. Foreign objects often

misused in a similar fashion include cloth, jewelry, hair clips,

pens, carpenter nails and toys. The list of possibilities is

endless, and no two habits are identical. They vary as much as the

people who are born with or acquire them.

A number of cases have been documented that show how varying speech

and dental growth patterns conform to habit patterns.1 A pebble in

the shoe affects the way a person walks depending on where it is

positioned in the shoe, explained Streicher. Likewise, the position

of a body part or object in the mouth determines how we talk.

Although no two habits are the same, there are similarities.

Streicher once gathered together six children of different cultural

backgrounds for a school dentist to see. He asked the dentist if he

knew what the children's common habit was that had caused their

dental arches to widen. When the dentist was unable to identify the

habit, Streicher explained that each child sucked on four fingers.

How do four fingers holding the tongue down affect speech? Do a

little experiment. Put four fingers of one hand over your tongue and

talk. What does your speech sound like? Imagine doing this enough to

train your tongue to flatten whenever you speak. Think about nerve

integration and functions other than speech.

While engaged in habits, individuals continue to swallow, breathe

and think. Many walk, talk, play, work, and sleep while doing their

habit. Their bodies adapt, and an adjustment in coordination and

balance takes place. Bone grows in the direction muscles direct it.

Muscle function is trained by habits.

At least 85 percent of all orthodontic patients are nail-biters or

former nail-biters, Streicher found. Nail-biting trains the jaw to

function off-center and with tension and often leads to secondary

habits of gritting and grinding.

" It only takes one week of biting nails, perhaps just that first week

of kindergarten before a teacher or parents gets the child to stop,

to train a jaw shift, " stated Streicher. " The nails don't have to be

bitten to get a nail-biting pattern. It may be a habit of biting the

cuticles, cleaning the nails, or nibbling on skin tissue. "

Nail habits are performed in many ways. Some individuals bite every

nail in the same place, thereby shifting the jaw in the same

direction and bringing the same teeth edge to edge as they bite each

nail. Some bite the nails of one hand to one side and then shift to

the other side for the other hand, while others bite each nail in a

different place. The jaw shift seen in speech conforms to the habit

pattern. Streicher can visualize the pattern without seeing the

habit performed; the wear on the teeth and the jaw movement during

speech paints the picture.

The amount and direction of pressure against the teeth and dental

arches determines how they become misshapen and how teeth wear down

prematurely. For teeth to meet edge to edge in any biting habit, the

jaw is used off-center. Many individuals develop a secondary habit

of holding their jaw off-center with teeth edge to edge as they

perform various tasks or in response to mental stress.

The jaw grows in the direction it is used, Streicher discovered.

Habits that constantly position the jaw forward will grow the

individual into a dental Class III. A functional Class III describes

a jaw that moves forward frequently but is not held in the forward

position long enough to cause a structural change. Muscles holding a

jaw to one side cause the jaw and face to grow crooked.

For diagnostic purposes Streicher considers that normal growth and

balance attain symmetry. Correct facial muscle training begins in

the womb with the proper thumb suck.

" It is natural for the fetus to place a thumb in the mouth at a

particular time, " he said. " The growth and position of the fetus

allows this to happen. The design of the body allows a little elbow

to bend and a little thumb to reach the mouth. It is supposed to

happen. There is a purpose. "

Is all thumb-sucking done correctly? No. Streicher reported the case

of one child who wrapped an arm over his head and inserted his thumb

upside-down into the opposite side of his mouth.1

Some children suck their thumb to one side or turn the thumb over.

Some suck with enough force to leave thumb imprints in their palates

or to form a nail slit. Anything imaginable is possible.

The correctly positioned thumb reaches the palate without bending at

the knuckle. Fingers curl over the nose to maintain center position

for the thumb. The tongue shape and the jaw position conform to the

thumb. The front of the tongue rests against the inside lower front

arch. The remainder billows out, touching the palate without pulling

away from the floor of the mouth. When the thumb is removed, the

tongue fills in the oral cavity, resting with equal pressure against

the inner walls of the arches (and later teeth), palate and floor.

Thus, the tongue supports the dental arches and teeth from inside

the framework.

Facial muscles that are relaxed and function correctly provide equal

pressure and support from the outside. With equal pressure applied,

and no habits to create an imbalance, the result is nicely rounded

arches and aligned teeth.

" It's time to face the music, " observed Streicher. " The speech and

dental professions have been teaching the wrong tongue position. A

low success rate supports this claim as well as my claim that

current speech therapy and dental treatments address only symptoms.

Speech pathologists aim for controlling a dysfunctional pattern, and

dentists use man-made force to combat the forces of nature. "

An overview of speech and dental history explains how current

treatments have come about.1 While Streicher acknowledges that these

treatments came about because causes were unknown, he warns

professionals of the dangers of making assumptions. He credits

myofunctional therapists and orofacial myologists for the

connections they have made, but he points out what they have missed.

This month, Streicher is offering a full-day presentation at the

Annual Convention of the International Association of Orofacial

Myology (IAOM) in Detroit, MI. He will explain how causative habits

are identified and how the thumb can be used to retrain the body to

function according to design.

" I am not teaching thumb-sucking, " he said. " In fact, I use thumb

therapy to stop any suck pattern that has remained past weaning. "

At 73, Streicher is retired from clinical practice. He now writes

about his lifelong research and provides training with the help of

several therapists who have trained under him.

Reference

1. Streicher, J.P. & , K.B. (2001). The Pebble in the Shoe,

Enumclaw WA: WinePress Publishing.

, a speech-language pathologist for nearly 20 years,

was Streicher's first speech pathologist trainee in 1984. She co-

authored his book and is now preparing to publish a supplement about

the therapy and how it works for stuttering and a book on stress-

tension-pain disorders.

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I don't know why it's written that children with apraxia drool so much; because

while it's possible there is that form of oral motor dysfunction co existing

with apraxia, it's not an always. My son Tanner growing up was diagnosed severe

profound apraxia and he didn't even go through the normal amount of drooling.

You can say he never drooled. My other son who wasn't apraxic had tremendous

drooling issues due to crushed facial nerves from birth injury. He overcame it

through therapy -but I do have many suggestions in the archives if needed. But

again with apraxia and drooling; one doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with

the other.

You want to read this to perhaps understand there are different types of oral

motor dysfunction.

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/oralapraxia.html Apraxia is

complex and it's not always a simple answer as to what we see in all...other

than apraxia in itself is a motor planning disorder.

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YYYYeeeeaaaaa!

[ ] Not even 2 days on NV!!

Hello, All!!

My son, Cale, is 2 1/2 and just started Nutriiveda on Wednesday

night, so

not even 3 days, and we are already seeing results, as early as

late

Wednesday night/early Thursday morning (seriously, after it only

being in him for

a few hours!)!!!! I'm impressed, to say the least!!! While we

haven't

noticed the possible extra " hyperness " that is often seen in the

first week, we

have noticed that he's been sucking on his finger a few times

and he's

never done that before (not a big deal since he's improved in so

many other

areas). Anyway, he has been able to repeat a three word sentence

(never able

to do that before), even though the words still follow his

normal pattern on

dropping off the beginning sound (So, the sentence, " Mommy, jump

please "

came out " Mommy, ump eez " )...but still amazing! We've been

trying to get him

to repeat TWO word sentences/phrases with no luck up until now,

and he

repeated a THREE word sentence! Awesome! He was also able to put

the " B " sound

on " bear " the other day with his therapist, which he's never

been able to

put a B on any word except ball, even though we've been working

on it for

ages. He is also trying to say more words and when we correct

how he's

saying it (since he's dropping off the beginning sounds, as

usual), he's much

more able to produce a word that sounds more like it should! He

also, on his

own, said " mommy car " and pointed at my van....a two word phrase

on HIS

OWN!!!

Okay, obviously I'm ecstatic and just wanted to share! I'm so

glad we were

able to find a way to fit NV into our budget--best thing I've

ever done for

my son!!!

-Brittany

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