Re: Carnosine and NV

[Guest guest]

Hi -wow you just may have answered a years long mystery for me!!!

In very basic chemistry for this I know the difference between the amino acids

would be the non essential and the essential. If you have the essential your

body should be able to create the non essential but our body is not able to

create essential amino acids no matter how many non essential amino acids or any

other nutrient you consume. Essential means your body needs it, but can't

produce it, so needs to consume it. Nutriiveda contains all of the essential

amino acids- including the histidine which is an " essential amino acid " and the

alanine which is a non essential amino acid -both which form carnosine. The

other issue is the amino acids are found naturally in foods, high in proteins-

but if you supplement and don't get them from whole food sources...the question

is the metabolic system and how much or well does the body utilize? For many of

our kids the metabolic system isn't exactly their forte of the body!

So again you know you may have just made things a bit clearer for me why I

always had to put Tanner on and off carnosine -he would surge -then regress as I

mention years ago when our group talked more about this essential amino acid

after Dr. Chez's study- and I wrote about that here how it drove me crazy as to

WHY?!! Nobody was able to answer me -and because I didn't understand it I

stopped the on and off schedule of carnosine years and years ago. (have two of

the messages below about what I'm talking about from the archives here)

But yes- perhaps it's because Tanner didn't have all the essential amino acids

or other nutrients his body needed to utilize the carnosine! See that's the

difference between the book you are speaking of that recommends supplementing

with a specific amino acid -or getting something from whole food which is

balanced which either contains what the body needs -or the body is able to

produce what it needs! Maybe I can add this here!!

http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

Nutriiveda is a water soluble whole food -but yes perhaps it helps the body not

just produce the carnosine needed -but helps the body utilize it too. When you

just supplement you need a balance of other nutrients to utilize it and again

that can explain why we needed to do the on and off/stop and start schedule of

carnosine with Tanner when we did it. I mean in addition to the carnosine my

son is not the only one now that was previous dependent on a certain dosage of

essential fatty acids (EFAs fish oils -again essential meaning the body can't

produce them but needs them) who since being on nutriiveda we cut his dosage of

ProEFA ProEPA in half -and he continues to surge- and no regression if once in a

while he by mistake misses a day. Now that is freaky as Tanner was like

clockwork in regressing if he skipped just one day previous- so clearly his

body, the metabolic system -is utilizing whatever fatty acids he does get

better! Essential fatty acids don't typically dissipate in a day -from what I

heard the brain is like a sponge in that it takes time for the levels to build

up and time to deplete..but again previous to NV Tanner regressed off fish oils

in a day.

Carnosine is an amino acid and benign, but given a choice based on what I know

now? For SURE I'd just get nutriiveda which has all the essential amino acids

and nutrients from whole food sources. I'm sure there is a scientific logical

explanation for why we are seeing what we are -but the bottom line is if you

have a choice of supplementing- or providing foods that contain the nutrients

you want to supplement with -which is the logical choice? Of course whole

foods.

But thanks -again think you may have finally answered a question, by asking

your question, that nobody has ever been able to answer for me!!

Here are some of the archives where I mention the on and off carnosine schedule

we had to follow when we had Tanner on it:

" Tanner takes ProEFA and ProEPA every day and regresses when he is off for one

day still. He takes carn aware/carnosine on an on and off basis which we find to

help because he regresses when on or off too long. "

/message/95803

" I know with my son Tanner he had some surges at one point on the

amino acid carnosine/carn-aware -but he also regressed if we tried

to keep him on it for more then a few months for some reason we

still don't understand. We'd take him off and he would do way

better. Then a few months later we would start again and have

another surge "

/message/48652

Here's some brief info about the essential amino acid histidine

" Is found abundantly in hemoglobin; has been used in the treatment of rheumatoid

arthritis, allergies, ulcers and anemia; is essential for the growth and repair

of tissues; important for the maintenance of the myelin sheaths, which protect

nerve cells; is needed for the production of both red and white blood cells;

protects the body from radiation damage; lowers blood pressure, aids in the

removal of heavy metals from the body "

Here's some brief info about the non essential amino acid alanine

" Plays a major role in the transfer of nitrogen from peripheral tissue to the

liver; aids in the metabolism of glucose, a simple carbohydrate that the body

uses for energy; guards against the buildup of toxic substances that are

released into muscle cells when muscle protein is broken down quickly to meet

energy needs, such as what happens with aerobic exercise; strengthens the immune

system by producing antibodies. "

Again amino acids are found in foods -here is the list of all of the amino acids

(including again ALL of the essential amino acids) from whole foods found in

nutriiveda

" Alanine, Arginine, Aspartic Acid,Cystin, Glutamic Acid, Glycine, Histidine,

Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine,

Proline, Serine, Thereonine, Trytophan, Tyrosine, Valine "

http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html

Very curious to see what you decide -and of course you can try just carnosine

first (as I did and a few of us did) and THEN try nutriiveda...and let us know

which has the dramatic effect that goes beyond your wildest dreams!!

=====

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the excellent information, . Have you stopped Carnosine while

on NV? We've been on NV for 2 1/2 months with nice gains. I really don't want to

add anything else to our regimen, but when the ped. throws something out there,

I feel like I should research and consider it.

>

> Hi -wow you just may have answered a years long mystery for me!!!

>

> In very basic chemistry for this I know the difference between the amino acids

would be the non essential and the essential. If you have the essential your

body should be able to create the non essential but our body is not able to

create essential amino acids no matter how many non essential amino acids or any

other nutrient you consume. Essential means your body needs it, but can't

produce it, so needs to consume it. Nutriiveda contains all of the essential

amino acids- including the histidine which is an " essential amino acid " and the

alanine which is a non essential amino acid -both which form carnosine. The

other issue is the amino acids are found naturally in foods, high in proteins-

but if you supplement and don't get them from whole food sources...the question

is the metabolic system and how much or well does the body utilize? For many of

our kids the metabolic system isn't exactly their forte of the body!

>

> So again you know you may have just made things a bit clearer for me why I

always had to put Tanner on and off carnosine -he would surge -then regress as I

mention years ago when our group talked more about this essential amino acid

after Dr. Chez's study- and I wrote about that here how it drove me crazy as to

WHY?!! Nobody was able to answer me -and because I didn't understand it I

stopped the on and off schedule of carnosine years and years ago. (have two of

the messages below about what I'm talking about from the archives here)

>

> But yes- perhaps it's because Tanner didn't have all the essential amino acids

or other nutrients his body needed to utilize the carnosine! See that's the

difference between the book you are speaking of that recommends supplementing

with a specific amino acid -or getting something from whole food which is

balanced which either contains what the body needs -or the body is able to

produce what it needs! Maybe I can add this here!!

http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

>

> Nutriiveda is a water soluble whole food -but yes perhaps it helps the body

not just produce the carnosine needed -but helps the body utilize it too. When

you just supplement you need a balance of other nutrients to utilize it and

again that can explain why we needed to do the on and off/stop and start

schedule of carnosine with Tanner when we did it. I mean in addition to the

carnosine my son is not the only one now that was previous dependent on a

certain dosage of essential fatty acids (EFAs fish oils -again essential meaning

the body can't produce them but needs them) who since being on nutriiveda we cut

his dosage of ProEFA ProEPA in half -and he continues to surge- and no

regression if once in a while he by mistake misses a day. Now that is freaky as

Tanner was like clockwork in regressing if he skipped just one day previous- so

clearly his body, the metabolic system -is utilizing whatever fatty acids he

does get better! Essential fatty acids don't typically dissipate in a day -from

what I heard the brain is like a sponge in that it takes time for the levels to

build up and time to deplete..but again previous to NV Tanner regressed off fish

oils in a day.

>

> Carnosine is an amino acid and benign, but given a choice based on what I know

now? For SURE I'd just get nutriiveda which has all the essential amino acids

and nutrients from whole food sources. I'm sure there is a scientific logical

explanation for why we are seeing what we are -but the bottom line is if you

have a choice of supplementing- or providing foods that contain the nutrients

you want to supplement with -which is the logical choice? Of course whole

foods.

>

> But thanks -again think you may have finally answered a question, by asking

your question, that nobody has ever been able to answer for me!!

>

> Here are some of the archives where I mention the on and off carnosine

schedule we had to follow when we had Tanner on it:

>

> " Tanner takes ProEFA and ProEPA every day and regresses when he is off for one

day still. He takes carn aware/carnosine on an on and off basis which we find to

help because he regresses when on or off too long. "

> /message/95803

>

> " I know with my son Tanner he had some surges at one point on the

> amino acid carnosine/carn-aware -but he also regressed if we tried

> to keep him on it for more then a few months for some reason we

> still don't understand. We'd take him off and he would do way

> better. Then a few months later we would start again and have

> another surge "

> /message/48652

>

> Here's some brief info about the essential amino acid histidine

>

> " Is found abundantly in hemoglobin; has been used in the treatment of

rheumatoid arthritis, allergies, ulcers and anemia; is essential for the growth

and repair of tissues; important for the maintenance of the myelin sheaths,

which protect nerve cells; is needed for the production of both red and white

blood cells; protects the body from radiation damage; lowers blood pressure,

aids in the removal of heavy metals from the body "

>

> Here's some brief info about the non essential amino acid alanine

>

> " Plays a major role in the transfer of nitrogen from peripheral tissue to the

liver; aids in the metabolism of glucose, a simple carbohydrate that the body

uses for energy; guards against the buildup of toxic substances that are

released into muscle cells when muscle protein is broken down quickly to meet

energy needs, such as what happens with aerobic exercise; strengthens the immune

system by producing antibodies. "

>

> Again amino acids are found in foods -here is the list of all of the amino

acids (including again ALL of the essential amino acids) from whole foods found

in nutriiveda

>

> " Alanine, Arginine, Aspartic Acid,Cystin, Glutamic Acid, Glycine, Histidine,

Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine,

> Proline, Serine, Thereonine, Trytophan, Tyrosine, Valine "

> http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html

>

> Very curious to see what you decide -and of course you can try just carnosine

first (as I did and a few of us did) and THEN try nutriiveda...and let us know

which has the dramatic effect that goes beyond your wildest dreams!!

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Tanner hasn't been on carnosine in years and I am from the " keep it as simple as

possible " school of thought It bothered me as I express below that nobody, not

even those I asked behind research in this area, could explain why my son would

need to be on carnosine on an on/off basis. Why did he surge when on, but

regress when on too long? So eventually I just stopped it and carnosine I

always said is worth exploring -but didn't understand it the way I do fish oils-

the essential fatty acids, not that it's easy to understand them as the more you

know about them the more you realize you don't know! Nutrition is more complex

then any of dreamed!!! By learning more about essential and non essential amino

acids however I believe helped me to understand more about essential fatty

acids...and your question again triggered the " aha! " moment for me that again

Tanner probably didn't have a balance of all he needed to digest and utilize

carnosine when I just supplemented that amino acid which would explain the

difference between whole food vs individual supplementation. It could explain

why he would surge when on -but regress when on too long! Jeesh when you want

to get something done sometimes you have to do it yourself since nobody else

could explain it to me! That's how I feel having an apraxic child in a world

that only wants to examine autism or the traditional version of apraxia in the

classic sense which to me isn't what we are looking at today! (childhood

apraxia of speech my foot!!!)

The best way for me to explain this would be there are people that can just walk

anywhere, inside or outside and breath the air and get the oxygen they need

right from the air. There are people that need to have pure oxygen through a

tube in addition- mainly older or sick or injured individuals. " easier to

utilize " version of air to get the oxygen all humans need to exist.

Well I think there's something wrong with our kids and digestion. Some people

can eat foods, a " healthy " diet and get what they need for the most part. But

increasingly perhaps due to toxins, soil depletion, genetically altered and

synthetic foods, increasing amounts of drugs given to not just humans but cats

and dogs (no not kidding

http://www.dogsandcats101.com/2007/09/21/prozac-for-cats-and-dogs-aggression-fea\

r-improper-urinating-etc/ ) that are peed out and that pass into the public

water supply etc....we have individuals that need help in digesting and

utilizing the nutrients that most used to just get from eating alone. My son

Tanner clearly over the past decade NEEDED essential fatty acids in a specific

ratio, formula, dosage or he would regress. The fish oils helped him to

surge...but nutriiveda is doing something unexpected in my opinion in the fact

that I was able to reduce the essential fatty acids in half- or even skip a day

here and there and see no regression which never happened before. Now again to

clarify I have no desire to stop essential fatty acids for anyone in my family

as again...they are essential too -and lacking from our diets for the most part

-but I do think it's pretty awesome that my boys won't have to take mega amounts

of them daily. I believe NV has improved my son's ability to digest and utilize

whatever foods he needs so that I don't have to supplement numerous things to

him. Not that I don't see this in Dakota too -but I feel Tanner was more

affected in this way. Both my boys have responded amazingly to both the

essential fatty acids and now the essential amino acids (and other nutrients)

from whole food sources from the combo of fish oils and nutriiveda. Or in

regards to oxygen -it's enabling him to breath the air and no longer need a tube

of oxygen connected to his nose (the essential fatty acids prior)

Now ironically in using that description...my 89 YO Aunt Leona, who was on her

death bed and was of course on oxygen 24/7....now since being on nutriiveda for

the past few months no longer needs it. It's still there for her and she does

use it here and there -but it's not critical as it was before.

Not sure if all caught the article SLP Barbara from our group just posted

http://www.adhdezine.com/fattyacids.html and even though they only mention ADHD

-don't kid yourself in thinking the essential nutrients are only good for ADHD

-we ALL need them daily.

I don't know if I can fully express my amazement and gratitude to nutriiveda for

all it has done for my son Tanner, my son Dakota, my Aunt Leona...I mean my

husband and I are on it for more vanity reasons and I would hate to ever have to

give it up myself as I feel my metabolism is more like it was when I was a

teenager -able to eat what I want without weight fluctuation...but for

especially Tanner and Aunt Leona- nothing shy of what I would consider real life

miracles...and why shouldn't it be when all that is in it would be clean pure

whole food from the good Earth?!

I do plan on putting up a senior section as I said at Pursuit ...but there are

other aspects I don't even go into every day because honestly I even think...how

can I say this without people thinking now " this " is just too much! Like the

fact that my friend " Tree " my friend who is a practicing respected on numerous

boards internal medical doctor out of the mega Barnabas medical system in NJ who

allows me now to use her name as it's well over 3 months- Ross MD,

who by taking nutriiveda has not only lost weight, feels more energetic and

" focused " but most amazingly...IS ABLE TO BE OFF ALL INSULIN AS LONG AS SHE

TAKES NUTRIIVEDA DAILY!! She is a type 2 diabetic and yes she recommends

nutriiveda to her patients -she deals mainly with seniors and also is a huge

believer in fish oils. My Aunt Jane was supposed to go onto diabetes medication

for being borderline type 2...I forced her (yes forced/nagged her whatever you

want to call it as she was so stubborn) to take nutriiveda and her doctor at the

last checkup said her sugar is now normal. Previous to taking nutriiveda she

was starting to lose feeling in her feet!!!! That's gone of course as her sugar

is normal. But amazingly there are probably in our group of thousands only a few

hundred who have tried nutriiveda -that's bizarre to me. I wish I could nag all

of you the way I did my Aunt Jane to " just try it already for goodness sake! "

enough that the majority would wake from their society induced Krispy Kreme

prescription shell of not accepting anything that doesn't come from a pharmacy

or a fast food wrapper. But back to diabetes...

For those of you friends with me on fb you know we have a member here with a 9

year old who has diabetes as well as apraxia who's apraxia is no longer the

major issue. She posted on my wall about how instead of the shots they are

getting him a pump which is thousands of dollars and how much they have to spend

monthly on medical bills. She is going to be trying the nutriiveda for her son

this week and of course this will probably be the next area I can add up to this

page http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html Perhaps this mom will be willing

to also start a blog. Like seizures this is yet another unexpected but

incredible area where people are going off medications. If you want to ask

about type 1 we have one parent here who's a Dad and the mom is a nurse and he's

doing amazing on nutriiveda but I don't know if I can share names -but mainly

type 2 I'm hearing back from. As Dr. Deepak Chopra one of the formulators of NV

http://pursuitofresearch.org/advisors.html says " we all have an internal

pharmacy which is more powerful than any outside pharmacy " And to me what that

means simply is that you get a cut and for most of us your body knows how to

heal that wound. You break a bone and your body knows what it needs to do to

heal that break etc. But sometimes we may be lacking in nutrients to fill in

the blanks to help ourselves.

Anyway -I of course went off on a tangent again -but yes in brief I feel you

will not have to supplement carnosine because IF your child's body needs more of

that once on nutriiveda...your child's body will have the nutrients, including

the essential nutrients which can't be made by the body -to create more of it.

Now why didn't I just say that right?

=====

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Are there any other kids who used carnosine and see some results? I just wonder

that these kids may need more amino acids in carnosine or they can not absorb

enough from their food.

Dawen

>

> Tanner hasn't been on carnosine in years and I am from the " keep it as simple

as possible " school of thought It bothered me as I express below that nobody,

not even those I asked behind research in this area, could explain why my son

would need to be on carnosine on an on/off basis. Why did he surge when on, but

regress when on too long? So eventually I just stopped it and carnosine I

always said is worth exploring -but didn't understand it the way I do fish oils-

the essential fatty acids, not that it's easy to understand them as the more you

know about them the more you realize you don't know! Nutrition is more complex

then any of dreamed!!! By learning more about essential and non essential amino

acids however I believe helped me to understand more about essential fatty

acids...and your question again triggered the " aha! " moment for me that again

Tanner probably didn't have a balance of all he needed to digest and utilize

carnosine when I just supplemented that amino acid which would explain the

difference between whole food vs individual supplementation. It could explain

why he would surge when on -but regress when on too long! Jeesh when you want

to get something done sometimes you have to do it yourself since nobody else

could explain it to me! That's how I feel having an apraxic child in a world

that only wants to examine autism or the traditional version of apraxia in the

classic sense which to me isn't what we are looking at today! (childhood

apraxia of speech my foot!!!)

>

> The best way for me to explain this would be there are people that can just

walk anywhere, inside or outside and breath the air and get the oxygen they need

right from the air. There are people that need to have pure oxygen through a

tube in addition- mainly older or sick or injured individuals. " easier to

utilize " version of air to get the oxygen all humans need to exist.

>

> Well I think there's something wrong with our kids and digestion. Some people

can eat foods, a " healthy " diet and get what they need for the most part. But

increasingly perhaps due to toxins, soil depletion, genetically altered and

synthetic foods, increasing amounts of drugs given to not just humans but cats

and dogs (no not kidding

http://www.dogsandcats101.com/2007/09/21/prozac-for-cats-and-dogs-aggression-fea\

r-improper-urinating-etc/ ) that are peed out and that pass into the public

water supply etc....we have individuals that need help in digesting and

utilizing the nutrients that most used to just get from eating alone. My son

Tanner clearly over the past decade NEEDED essential fatty acids in a specific

ratio, formula, dosage or he would regress. The fish oils helped him to

surge...but nutriiveda is doing something unexpected in my opinion in the fact

that I was able to reduce the essential fatty acids in half- or even skip a day

here and there and see no regression which never happened before. Now again to

clarify I have no desire to stop essential fatty acids for anyone in my family

as again...they are essential too -and lacking from our diets for the most part

-but I do think it's pretty awesome that my boys won't have to take mega amounts

of them daily. I believe NV has improved my son's ability to digest and utilize

whatever foods he needs so that I don't have to supplement numerous things to

him. Not that I don't see this in Dakota too -but I feel Tanner was more

affected in this way. Both my boys have responded amazingly to both the

essential fatty acids and now the essential amino acids (and other nutrients)

from whole food sources from the combo of fish oils and nutriiveda. Or in

regards to oxygen -it's enabling him to breath the air and no longer need a tube

of oxygen connected to his nose (the essential fatty acids prior)

>

> Now ironically in using that description...my 89 YO Aunt Leona, who was on her

death bed and was of course on oxygen 24/7....now since being on nutriiveda for

the past few months no longer needs it. It's still there for her and she does

use it here and there -but it's not critical as it was before.

>

> Not sure if all caught the article SLP Barbara from our group just

posted http://www.adhdezine.com/fattyacids.html and even though they only

mention ADHD -don't kid yourself in thinking the essential nutrients are only

good for ADHD -we ALL need them daily.

>

> I don't know if I can fully express my amazement and gratitude to nutriiveda

for all it has done for my son Tanner, my son Dakota, my Aunt Leona...I mean my

husband and I are on it for more vanity reasons and I would hate to ever have to

give it up myself as I feel my metabolism is more like it was when I was a

teenager -able to eat what I want without weight fluctuation...but for

especially Tanner and Aunt Leona- nothing shy of what I would consider real life

miracles...and why shouldn't it be when all that is in it would be clean pure

whole food from the good Earth?!

>

> I do plan on putting up a senior section as I said at Pursuit ...but there are

other aspects I don't even go into every day because honestly I even think...how

can I say this without people thinking now " this " is just too much! Like the

fact that my friend " Tree " my friend who is a practicing respected on numerous

boards internal medical doctor out of the mega Barnabas medical system in NJ who

allows me now to use her name as it's well over 3 months- Ross MD,

who by taking nutriiveda has not only lost weight, feels more energetic and

" focused " but most amazingly...IS ABLE TO BE OFF ALL INSULIN AS LONG AS SHE

TAKES NUTRIIVEDA DAILY!! She is a type 2 diabetic and yes she recommends

nutriiveda to her patients -she deals mainly with seniors and also is a huge

believer in fish oils. My Aunt Jane was supposed to go onto diabetes medication

for being borderline type 2...I forced her (yes forced/nagged her whatever you

want to call it as she was so stubborn) to take nutriiveda and her doctor at the

last checkup said her sugar is now normal. Previous to taking nutriiveda she

was starting to lose feeling in her feet!!!! That's gone of course as her sugar

is normal. But amazingly there are probably in our group of thousands only a few

hundred who have tried nutriiveda -that's bizarre to me. I wish I could nag all

of you the way I did my Aunt Jane to " just try it already for goodness sake! "

enough that the majority would wake from their society induced Krispy Kreme

prescription shell of not accepting anything that doesn't come from a pharmacy

or a fast food wrapper. But back to diabetes...

>

> For those of you friends with me on fb you know we have a member here with a 9

year old who has diabetes as well as apraxia who's apraxia is no longer the

major issue. She posted on my wall about how instead of the shots they are

getting him a pump which is thousands of dollars and how much they have to spend

monthly on medical bills. She is going to be trying the nutriiveda for her son

this week and of course this will probably be the next area I can add up to this

page http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html Perhaps this mom will be willing

to also start a blog. Like seizures this is yet another unexpected but

incredible area where people are going off medications. If you want to ask

about type 1 we have one parent here who's a Dad and the mom is a nurse and he's

doing amazing on nutriiveda but I don't know if I can share names -but mainly

type 2 I'm hearing back from. As Dr. Deepak Chopra one of the formulators of NV

http://pursuitofresearch.org/advisors.html says " we all have an internal

pharmacy which is more powerful than any outside pharmacy " And to me what that

means simply is that you get a cut and for most of us your body knows how to

heal that wound. You break a bone and your body knows what it needs to do to

heal that break etc. But sometimes we may be lacking in nutrients to fill in

the blanks to help ourselves.

>

> Anyway -I of course went off on a tangent again -but yes in brief I feel you

will not have to supplement carnosine because IF your child's body needs more of

that once on nutriiveda...your child's body will have the nutrients, including

the essential nutrients which can't be made by the body -to create more of it.

>

> Now why didn't I just say that right?

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Oh Dawen -perfect example of I write so much that people lose the point. OK

will try to answer this briefly and quickly the best I recall it since it was

years ago.

Yes some children responded to carnosine supplementation mainly in regards to

improved speech but not dramatic surges in speech, decreases in seizures if the

child was prone to seizures as that was the original reason for this study, and

in at least one case (my son Tanner) the child needed to be on an on/off

schedule because he would surge when put on but regress if left on this

individual supplement. Just like children may not be able to get and utilize

the amino acid carnosine naturally found in common foods like chicken, they too

may not be able to digest and utilize supplementation if provided as an

individual supplement as well as when they are provided with whole foods that

contain all of the essential amino acids and nutrients. Again getting nutrients

from whole food sources is the purest, most easily digestible form of

supplementation -and that's what you get with NV.

It's once again VERY rare to get ALL of the essential amino acids in one serving

as you do from NV which again is from whole food sources (and also all the other

nutrients as well -again all from whole food sources

http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html )

And a tiny bit longer explanation or just read the full messages below the one

you asked your question as this is mainly all covered -or more is even covered.

Yes years ago our group explored carnosine supplementation more after

neurologist Dr. Chez raised awareness about one of his discoveries. He

used to work mainly with seizure disorders like LKS, but now he's more of an

autism doctor. Well years ago he had this theory that supplementation with the

amino acid carnsine could help raise the seizure threshold and anecdotaly the

parents of these children were reporting increases in speech. So (fill in the

blank) where do researchers go for funding? So Cure Autism Now provided a grant

and the study was published for how supplementation of carnosine helps with

speech for autism (seizures were not mentioned from what I recall) He developed

and marketed a product called " carn-aware " http://www.carn-aware.com and I was

one of the first to hear about it through Sally Bernard, spoke to one of the

researchers, and started my son Tanner on it.

Others tried it too. Carnosine/carn-aware are good to explore as I said. We

didn't see Earth shattering surges reported but many of us saw nice gains when

we used it. The problem and I try to explain it below but again guess the point

was missed (ugh) was that Tanner surged on it but if I left him on it he

regressed so I'd have to take him off, then he'd surge...and then after awhile

he'd regress, then I'd wait a few months and put him back on and he'd once again

surge -it was like this horrible pattern.

So I took him off because nobody could explain to me why I needed to put him on

an on/off schedule.

You can find info all over the web and in the archives here on carnosine. OK

and the bottom line is that nutriiveda being made up 100 percent of whole food

and containing 100 percent of all of the essential amino acids -also contains

the amino acids that comprise carnosine....so in my opinion -and this is just my

opinion -taking carnosine with nutriiveda is redundant because if the body

needed it it would be able to make it since you are supplying the body with all

the nutrients it needs to make it.

Please read down below -all of this info is there -just hidden. But if you

want to try carnosine -go ahead. It's benign, and just an amino acid. But no,

no incredible surges like we are seeing with nutriiveda...and ironically

carn-aware was first discovered by a neurologist who was working with seizure

prone patients to try to raise the seizure threshold...and today we have a

number of children who had been on medications or multiple seizure medications

for years (and in Matt's case just prior to starting NV scheduled to have that

radical surgery to remove a section of his brain as you can read here

http://pursuitofresearch.org/testimonials.html ) who due to nutriiveda are

SEIZURE FREE for in at least ten year old Matt's case over 6 months now -and off

all Depakote -and Dawn just posted how her son has 3 weeks to go to be off all

meds for seizures after years of medications...and numerous others who have

lowered dosages.

This SO has to be studied. (as I say all the time)

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