Re: Any stage regressions with NV

[Guest guest]

Hello Caroline,

I had a similar story, my son, 10 years is autistic and he started NV 2

months back, and he started biting, screaming, wetting trousers etc. At that

time, we thought it is because I used to give it with Horlicks which has a high

sugar content which made him hyperactive.

After the advice from this group, I started again a month back, this time

with NV on its own not with Horlicks. I started with very small portions and

increased it in very very smaller quantities. But, sadly, his previous

disruptive behaviour - biting, screaming again happened and I had to stop. In

both occasions, he had some gains, but not as much as other parents describe

here. (Sorry, I wanted to write in before, but couldn't manage to get time

till now)

It is really unfortunate that my boy does not have the same surges as other

kids here, and it is a real pain in my heart not being able to see that. Anyway,

atleast I tried it, and I would advocate anybody who has not tried it yet to do

so, because God knows may be it'll work wonders in your child (as I've read over

and over here).

But I give him fish oils (2 proEFA and 1 proEPA), and he has good surges.

Regards,

bibi

>

> My friend and I both started NV 9 mts ago with our boys both affected by

Autism. We both have seen nice sutle gains no wows but enough progress to want

to continue NV. We both however had a regression at the 3 month stage (biting

pinching screeching more distant) which took about 2 weks to recover from, now

at 9 months both boys again are gone hyper and aggressive again.. We both feel

last yr was a great yr in general for the boys (age 6) Has anyone else witnessed

similar regressions with gains . Thanks Carolinre

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry that he's having such a hard time. I just wanted to share my

personal experience with NV. I started taking it when I gave it to my son, and

I had a HORRIBLE detox reaction. I couldn't think, had headaches, backaches,

was really out of my mind. I would go off NV and within 24 hours all the

symptoms would resolve. Then I went back on and about 3 days later--BOOM--I was

all weird again. After talking to and this lady at Zrii, I started on the

lowest possible level. I think it was 1/8 scoop or 1 tsp. And I stayed on that

'dose' for 2 weeks. I still felt mild detox reactions, but they didn't

overwhelm me. I learned also that I needed to drink WAY more water than the 50%

recommended. I also needed a bit of electrolyte solution a day (I put a small

chunk of pink sea salt in a cup each morning) After 2 weeks, I upped the amount

to 1/4 scoop, waited 3 weeks before moving to 1/2 scoop. and so on. It took me

over 3 months to get to 2 scoops. The way I could tell that I was ready to move

up the dosage was that I started craving something and would eat, eat, eat and

then drink a tiny bit more NV and finally be satisfied.

I think a small percentage of the population does not handle the detox phase

well. You can work through it, but it means going REALLY slow and being very

patient. Start with a tiny amount and keep at it for a few weeks and then move

up a tiny bit and stay there for a while. If you are seeing positive gains on a

small amount, then stick with that until he levels off, then inch up the dosage.

The nice thing is, you can always back off, and since NV is water soluble, in my

experience, the symptoms resolve completely within 24-36 hours.

I hope this helps

Liralen

> >

> > My friend and I both started NV 9 mts ago with our boys both affected by

Autism. We both have seen nice sutle gains no wows but enough progress to want

to continue NV. We both however had a regression at the 3 month stage (biting

pinching screeching more distant) which took about 2 weks to recover from, now

at 9 months both boys again are gone hyper and aggressive again.. We both feel

last yr was a great yr in general for the boys (age 6) Has anyone else witnessed

similar regressions with gains . Thanks Carolinre

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to add something to Liralen's wise advice...

First off from this group I know of only TWO adults (both moms) who went through

this detox -Liralen and Cheryl...and so far no children that we know of. So to

have a dramatic detox reaction to any food is pretty rare.

And second and I believe most important is just because Liralen and Cheryl

initially went through more severe detox reactions (research whey isolate

protein detox if you don't know what I mean and you'll see it's noted) it does

NOT mean that the child or children will go through it. Again I know of no

children that have.

I can understand why one wouldn't want to keep a child on something where it

made them hit and bite etc. But not knowing the full situation, amount of

product, amount of hydration, all we can do is just file this under one child

who's parent pulled him off due to the behavior being beyond what parents can

tolerate. Would Liralen's way of very gradually working up help? I don't know

but I'd suspect so. I can tell you if you check the archives that in all the

years of fish oils and noted initial temporary bad behavior only one parent

pulled her son off. So like NV- pretty rare with fish oils for this stage to be

one that is that intense. Very quickly to answer the subject questions of any

stage regressions with NV...not that I know of but I do know that when there are

surges in a new area it's not uncommon for there to be a regression in another.

(ask your child's therapist) I may have read the initial question wrong but if

two children are having the same surges and then behaviors at the same time

however -that sounds more like situational rather than internal...but wouldn't

know. I will share about one parent who lives by me who is friends with Romesa

from our group. Robin's son has severe autism and behavior and anger issues so

severe that prior to NV they didn't know if this 9 year old could even remain in

the school he was in -and there was talk about institutions. The parents were

beside themselves. I met the mom at a Walmart and sold her a canister of NV for

her to try and within 24 hours as I shared here her son had a complete change

noted at his summer program. No tantrums, meltdowns, fights, and he for the

first time even made a new friend that day and on the way home said to his

mother " I didn't feel angry today " (child has normal expressive ability) The

rest of the week on NV went just as wonderful so of course both mom and dad

looked at this as a coincidence and when they ran out of NV- they let it run

out. I mean, it's possible (even though not probable especially considering

the amount of reports now) that the exact week these parents gave their 9 year

old autistic son NV...he would have had this complete turnaround in behavior and

anger anyway....but nope -he regressed and they had the " week from " you know

where the mom told me. The 9 year old is back on -the parents are believers and

sharing it with other children with autism who are also responding -and best of

all the school is sending home this child with gold stars. He for the first

time is liking school. One story the mom shared is that typically her son would

completely lose it if even one drop of rain hit him -and she was running a bit

late to school to pick him up and it was raining. He got in the car and said

" I noticed all the other kids were in the rain too and none of them got upset so

I didn't get upset either " She said " Who are you and what did you do with my

son?! " And also on the way to school he puts the heat on (we live in Florida)

so the mom was sweating. When they pulled up at the school the mom felt like

someone was blowing ice cubes at her- it was because her autistic son realized

that she was hot and he turned the air all the way down for her before he got

out of the car.

But did he regress? Hmmm -well it's been about 2 and a half months and he's not

having any issues at school -but he's starting to get very bad behaviors at home

in regards to either her or her husband helping him with his homework. We spoke

and I suggested she find a tutor to work with him on his homework instead of her

or her husband -and that's what she is going to do.

And back to Liralen; again her son just like Cheryl's son surged from almost day

one -in spite of the fact that their moms had more of a detox reaction which is

worth saying again =appears to be pretty rare...but can be overcome if done the

way Liralen and Cheryl did -very slowly. Oh and just one other thing....if one

is that toxic or sensitive to detox...the only other option is to what? Leave

all the toxins in the body...and then what years from now?!!! So yes -you can

stop or really look at what NV is doing for us and our children and speak about

it with experts who know about nutrition and wellness.

-here is just a bit of Liralen's testimony for NV for her child from archives:

NV update

My son has been on NV for a few months now...but he's been taking the full

dosage for only about a month. I thought it might be fun for all of us to give

an update on our kids that have been on NV for several months.

I'll start.

Before NV my 36 mo old son had language, but he was largely unintelligible. He

was not potty trained, woke up 3-5 times a night, would often trip when he ran,

didn't sing, dance, was just learning to jump.

Within the first month, he started sleeping through the night, potty trained,

started singing and dancing and began playing imaginatively. He also gained two

lbs in 3 weeks (much needed as he's in the 10th %)

Within the next few months, he has made up songs, remembers 2-3 lines from

movies he's just seen, has started jumping over things, gained another pound,

dances with more coordination, has started making his toys talk to each other

(or makes me be one toy and talk to the other toy), had developed a taste for

water and prefers it to all other drinks.

Things we are still working towards. pedaling his trike, getting him to use

words instead of hitting in moments of frustration, talking more to his peers,

eating a wider variety of food and food textures.

What have you seen with your child in the last few months?

Liralen

Re: Increased hyperactivity with Nutriveda

I personally had a very heavy detox reaction to NV when I took it. I was in so

much pain, disoriented, couldn't focus. It took a few trials and error to

figure out how to make this work for me. So here is what I had to do.

1. drink 60%-75% of my body weight in water...this is not counting coffee, tea,

or juices or fluids hidden in food.

2. put a piece of pink Himalayan sea salt in my first 27 oz of water (I drink

from a 27 oz Klean Kanteen)(this helps with electrolyte balance)

3. start VERY low and VERY slowly inch up the dosage. I started with 1/8 a

scoop. After 2 weeks I upped it to 1/4 a scoop (1 1/2 tsp) After 3 weeks I upped

it again to 1/2 a scoop. then 2 weeks later 1 scoop and so on. One scoop is 2

Tbsp, so 6 tsp. The most I can take is 2 scoops. If I get more, I can't keep

hydrated enough.

I could tell that it was time to up the amount I took b/c I could no longer feel

the NV in my system and I would start to have weird cravings for food and keep

eating beyond being full. Now since I got up to 2 scoops, I have stopped for a

week or so and started back up and have not had to inch up the same. I would

start with 1 scoop and be up to 2 scoops within 2 weeks.

I do need to lose weight and I did lose 15 lbs (still have more than 30 to go)

and then got stuck. But I did notice that my body slimmed more than the poundage

warranted--it's as if I was swollen and that has disappeared.

as far as hiding it in food. If you give him 1/8 or 1/4 a scoop you can put it

in a syringe and take it like medicine. use 1/2 the amount of water as powder

and it makes a pudding like consistency, or just spoon it in his mouth. or you

can put in in syrup on top of pancakes, mix it in spaghetti sauce. The goal is

not to use so much that it changes the taste or texture.

There also is a recipe for peanut butter no bake cookies that is pretty good.

Liralen

My son was 26 lbs when I started him on NV and gained 2 lbs in three

weeks (which he had gained 2 lb the ENTIRE year before that) and then has gained

one more pound in the next three weeks. He's been holding steady for about 6

weeks now. I can tell you from personal experience that NV flushes completely

out of your system at roughly the 24 hour mark.

Liralen

Read more testimonies at

http://pursuitofresearch.org/testimonials.html

=====