Re: ProEFA, Omega 3-6-9 and Ultimate Omega

[Guest guest]

Hi Barbara -

 

I'm sure you can still do this (if you haven't already), but go to the Nordic

Naturals website and you can do the comparison of all the amounts in the 3-6-9,

the Ultimate, and just the ProEFA.  I can't remember them offhand, but, after a

long time of no fish oils (for various reasons), I put Josh back on the basic

dose of the Ultimate Omega (2 caps a day - I'll be upping it in a couple of

weeks) and there have been huge surges (again) in speech articulation and

sentence length (Josh was telling me something this a.m. about one of the bus

drivers and that led into a thing about a couple of the aides at school - like 3

paragraphs worth of words in one breath!).  So, Josh is on NV (since May) and

back on Ultimate.  It took a week for his system to get back into the swing of

fish oils and there were some crummy behavior things, but I think that has ended

and he's just doing great.

 

Like you, I did the liquids for years.  When Josh went off fish oils (for a

surgery), I returned him to caps that I would squirt out (what a mess).  I got

fed up with it and I wanted to see what would happen if he was off fish oils,

then he had a couple more surgeries and would need to be off again.  So, for

the last few years it's been on again/off again/just off.  By the time I

returned to Ultimate just recently, he'd gotten much better at taking pills

(he's on Keppra for epilepsy since last November - it's a big horse pill that

he takes easily - even without liquid!) so he just pops the fish oil and

swallows it down with his Keppra.  Taking the fish oil cap is sooooo much

easier once they learn how, or can do it, and it's soooooo much easier to

transport the caps than the liquid!

 

Sherry and Josh 

From: baba_blacksheep@... <baba_blacksheep@...>

Subject: [ ] ProEFA, Omega 3-6-9 and Ultimate Omega

Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 12:16 AM

 

My apologies as this has probably been asked before. I was told by a Pharmaca

staff that they didn't carry the ProEFA anymore and that the Omega 3-6-9 is

equivalent. But then I also read somewhere it is the Ultimate Omega? I find the

comparison very confusing. Also, I should mention I am mainly interested in the

liquid form. I know it is probably more expensive, but that is what works best

for us.

Thanks,

Barbara mom of Spencer, 3 years 4 months, suspected apraxia

[Guest guest]

Hi Barbara!

If the store ever even did carry the professional line of Nordic they did so

without permission. Stores are NOT allowed to carry the " Pro " line which is

only available through a health care provider or online. The commercial line is

the line carried by stores. As an online carrier http://www.speech411.com I

know for a fact you are only allowed to carry one line or the other. I would

always choose the Pro line over the commercial because in general it's a bit

cheaper. For example with ProEFA you get 90 capsules for around the same cost

as the Omega 369 (the commercial line) which you only get 60.

Pretty much all in this group with children use oil....but the choice is oil

from the bottle you pour out which needs to be refrigerated and only has a shelf

life of 4 months, vs the capsules which you can pierce with a pin and squeeze

out, don't have to be refrigerated and have a shelf life of up to 4 years. My

son noticed the difference in the taste and after 3 days of the oil in the

bottle was refusing to take his fish oil (this was years ago prior to him

learning how to swallow capsules) The main issue with most OTC fish oils is

rancidity- not purity in regards to mercury which is what most people think.

Mercury binds to the protein which is the muscle of the fish and there have been

numerous studies which have proven even cheap brands of OTC fish oils are free

of mercury. On the other hand main problem with OTC fish oils is rancidity.

Fish oil as one can imagine is very unstable in oxygen. The way to test for

rancidity is testing the peroxide level -Nordic has very low peroxide levels-

and a simple test- they don't make you burp. The question is...if a bottle of

fish oil once opened and even if refrigerated only has a 4 month shelf life and

a capsule because of the way it's made lasts up to 4 years -I would imagine the

rancidity of the capsules remains low.

Another main problem I see here is that once people start using the liquid they

don't appreciate dosage. Most don't know that about a 1/2 of a teaspoon is

about TWO full regular sized capsules of ProEFA, or 4 ProEFA Jr capsules. If

you check the archives it is not uncommon for parents to be starting with what

would be comparable to 4 capsules of ProEFA a day -and I recommend even prior to

getting to 3 capsules to add the one capsule of ProEPA.

But of course up to the individual. If you use high dosages or have more than

one child on the oils and your child unlike mine doesn't mind the taste of the

oil in the bottle vs the capsule- then the oil in the bottle would be easier

than having to pierce the capsules. But for us I looked at the capsules as a

way to get an exact daily dosage that was consistently fresh. Here's a fish oil

101 from our apraxia.org site

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7401

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[Guest guest]

I got my ProEFA from Amazon, liquid form, for my 4 and 1/2 year old son

...you could also order it directly from Nordic Naturals...hope this info.

helps:)

 

>

> Hi Barbara!

>

> If the store ever even did carry the professional line of Nordic they did so

without permission. Stores are NOT allowed to carry the " Pro " line which is

only available through a health care provider or online. The commercial line is

the line carried by stores. As an online carrier http://www.speech411.com I

know for a fact you are only allowed to carry one line or the other. I would

always choose the Pro line over the commercial because in general it's a bit

cheaper. For example with ProEFA you get 90 capsules for around the same cost

as the Omega 369 (the commercial line) which you only get 60.

>

> Pretty much all in this group with children use oil....but the choice is oil

from the bottle you pour out which needs to be refrigerated and only has a shelf

life of 4 months, vs the capsules which you can pierce with a pin and squeeze

out, don't have to be refrigerated and have a shelf life of up to 4 years. My

son noticed the difference in the taste and after 3 days of the oil in the

bottle was refusing to take his fish oil (this was years ago prior to him

learning how to swallow capsules) The main issue with most OTC fish oils is

rancidity- not purity in regards to mercury which is what most people think.

Mercury binds to the protein which is the muscle of the fish and there have been

numerous studies which have proven even cheap brands of OTC fish oils are free

of mercury. On the other hand main problem with OTC fish oils is rancidity.

Fish oil as one can imagine is very unstable in oxygen. The way to test for

rancidity is testing the peroxide level -Nordic has very low peroxide levels-

and a simple test- they don't make you burp. The question is...if a bottle of

fish oil once opened and even if refrigerated only has a 4 month shelf life and

a capsule because of the way it's made lasts up to 4 years -I would imagine the

rancidity of the capsules remains low.

>

> Another main problem I see here is that once people start using the liquid

they don't appreciate dosage. Most don't know that about a 1/2 of a teaspoon is

about TWO full regular sized capsules of ProEFA, or 4 ProEFA Jr capsules. If

you check the archives it is not uncommon for parents to be starting with what

would be comparable to 4 capsules of ProEFA a day -and I recommend even prior to

getting to 3 capsules to add the one capsule of ProEPA.

>

> But of course up to the individual. If you use high dosages or have more than

one child on the oils and your child unlike mine doesn't mind the taste of the

oil in the bottle vs the capsule- then the oil in the bottle would be easier

than having to pierce the capsules. But for us I looked at the capsules as a

way to get an exact daily dosage that was consistently fresh. Here's a fish oil

101 from our apraxia.org site

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7401

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone! But I still am not sure which one is supposed to be the

equivalent or are they all pretty similar?

>

> My apologies as this has probably been asked before. I was told by a Pharmaca

staff that they didn't carry the ProEFA anymore and that the Omega 3-6-9 is

equivalent. But then I also read somewhere it is the Ultimate Omega? I find the

comparison very confusing. Also, I should mention I am mainly interested in the

liquid form. I know it is probably more expensive, but that is what works best

for us.

>

> Thanks,

> Barbara mom of Spencer, 3 years 4 months, suspected apraxia

>

[Guest guest]

Oh no, I just realized that the Barlean's Lemon Omega (1 tsp= EPA 175, DHA 175

and GLA 50) I have been giving my child is the wrong ratio of EPA, DHA and GLA,

plus I have been giving him way too much. I have been giving him the adult

dosage (2 tsps, plus some for good measure) for well over a year now. I guess I

thought more is better but now I am so worried. I just got the liquid Omega

3-6-9, and by my calculations I should be giving him only 1/4 teaspoon. That is

SO much less than I have been giving him of the other stuff. I hope I have not

been overdosing him, I feel so bad right now. Can there be side effects from too

much fish oil?!

Thanks,

Barbara

>

> My apologies as this has probably been asked before. I was told by a Pharmaca

staff that they didn't carry the ProEFA anymore and that the Omega 3-6-9 is

equivalent. But then I also read somewhere it is the Ultimate Omega? I find the

comparison very confusing. Also, I should mention I am mainly interested in the

liquid form. I know it is probably more expensive, but that is what works best

for us.

>

> Thanks,

> Barbara mom of Spencer, 3 years 4 months, suspected apraxia

>

[Guest guest]

Barbara -it's almost like he was a little Eskimo baby that's all About 12 to

16 capsules a day equivalent of fish they would eat- lots of research on that.

No I don't know of any side effects but I'd for sure cut it back now -besides

with the right formula you don't need as high of a dosage. I answered you on

our apraxia.org site too

Hope that helps!

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