Re: binge eating

[Guest guest]

Bob: don't beat up on yourself. Just try to " beat it " next time. You

might try: 1) keeping a stack of sugarless gum with you and seeing if you

can substitute that next time or 2) keeping a pack of dried fruit with you

to pop in your mouth or 3) substituting/asking for a cup of coffee or tea

(both decrease appetite).

Just some tips to help you try avoid next time. We're all human. I've

stuffed myself (til my stomach hurt/at this point it doesn't take much food

for that to happen) at the occasional wedding feast and of course then beat

up on myself. This is one of the reasons I don't buy the stuff (although I

do keep fatless/sugarless ice cream in the house). If it ain't in front of

you........

> Lord knows I hate to report this but.....

>

> Yesterday (4/25) I was speaking with a business associate and things

> got a little stressful. I spotted a candy rack behind him and

> grabbed a Butterfingers while talking (vaguely thinking that I

> should make sure not to loose weight too fast). As the conversation

> continued and the stress remainded elevated, I snatched another

> candy; this time a Reese's Stiks (while making a mental note to

> eliminate some calories from my planned meal that evening.

> Continuing, I soon consumed a package of M & M Peanuts ( absent-mindly

> thinking " Didn't someone post that peanuts were good for me? " ). I

> followed that with a Hersey's w/Peanuts (afterall, chocolate is high

> in polyphenols....good for me too!).

>

> Sorry to report that the frenzy continued unabated until I ate four

> more candy bars. All total, I ate 8 candybars in less than half an

> hour. I was sickened by what I had done....not to mention the sugar

> high that set in soon afterwards. Needless to say, I skipped dinner

> last night and sulked off to bed (early for a change).

>

> Seems that Warren or another " list elder " said it is far easier to

> resist taking the first bite than it is to resist the second one (or

> words to that effect). How true. As reported previously, I have a

> huge sweet tooth, and it has not been " fed " since mid January. What

> is odd is that I knew what I was doing, but my mind, distracted by

> intense business negotiations, kept rationalizing for me that what I

> was doing was perfectly acceptable and possibly beneficial. Amazing

> too, was my lack of snapping back into focus, like some groggy,

> foggy haze clouded my thinking and my inability to correct my slip

> sent me sliding down the slippery slope of indulgence.

>

> Well, I'm back on the CR wagon again today and to think...that I had

> just become eligible for my 100 day coin too.

>

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Francesca. But you know I can tell that you do not

have BED! Because the person with BED is actually self-medicating,

and it's the high carbs that do the trick(!) At least that's my take,

based on (I hate to say it) 48 years of experience. Reading about BED

(Binge Eating Disorder) actually helps me to identify my (long..ugh!)

experience. Yes, I do CRON, and believe in it strongly. But when the

BED monster rears its head, only the carbs (quickie, simple carbs!)

will slay it.....until the next time (sigh). At this point, I am

probably interested in inner peace more than almost anything else.

So, I am probably looking for a way to make peace with BED, even if it

is to sort of accept it, and learn to peacefully co-exist.

[Guest guest]

Ria: I bet most people have had a case of " carb craving " at least at one

time or another. You can still channel it to healthy carbs i.e. instead of

cookies, cakes etc, eat whole grain breads and cereals or redskin potatoes

with a bit of healthy fat or whatever other healthy carb your imagination

comes up with.

on 2/26/2003 5:10 PM, riabrownlow <riabrownlow@...> at

riabrownlow@... wrote:

> Thanks, Francesca. But you know I can tell that you do not

> have BED! Because the person with BED is actually self-medicating,

> and it's the high carbs that do the trick(!) At least that's my take,

> based on (I hate to say it) 48 years of experience. Reading about BED

> (Binge Eating Disorder) actually helps me to identify my (long..ugh!)

> experience. Yes, I do CRON, and believe in it strongly. But when the

> BED monster rears its head, only the carbs (quickie, simple carbs!)

> will slay it.....until the next time (sigh). At this point, I am

> probably interested in inner peace more than almost anything else.

> So, I am probably looking for a way to make peace with BED, even if it

> is to sort of accept it, and learn to peacefully co-exist.

[Guest guest]

Hello JS:

You were really young when you started CR. IMHO much too young to worry

about diet restriction. We don't recommend that teens start such a diet.

Perhaps you should have waited til you were over 21 or at least out of

school.

You don't say what your weight, height or BMI are. If on the very low side,

and if you are missing nutrients, that could a reason for bingeing. But

bear in mind that we are not an eating disorders clinic here. You should

probably get an opinion from such a place.

AFA the kind of food you are bingeing on, the best thing to do is to try to

have an environment where that kind of food is not around. What I keep

around the house are whole grains, fruit, hummus, beans, nuts, and such. If

I were you I would forget about CR while still a student (judging from your

e-mail address you might still be in school) and worry about it later when

you will have more control over the food in your surroundings.

You will have the entire rest of your life to do CR. Why the hurry?

> From: hergertjs04 <hergertjs04@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 23:17:28 -0000

> < >

> Subject: [ ] Binge Eating

>

> Hello. I have been on caloric restriction for about 3 years (Since I

> was 19). Now, it has seems, I have developed some kind of binge

> eating disorder where occassionally I will just eat a huge amount of

> unhealthy food in a very short period of time for no reason

> whatsoever. I have noticed that this is brought on particularly by

> insomnia or alcohol consumption. Does anyone have any ideas as to

> what could be wrong? Normally I would binge on things like cookies

> and ice cream and pretzels. I really have no or limited control

> during these periods so this is accumpanied by a very strange mental

> state.

>

> Normally I do quite well and have no hunger problems. This does not

> seem to be related to hunger. I have not had this problem before. If

> anyone has any ideas I would really appreciate them.

>

> Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

At 05:17 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote:

>Hello. I have been on caloric restriction for about 3 years (Since I

>was 19). Now, it has seems, I have developed some kind of binge

>eating disorder where occassionally I will just eat a huge amount of

>unhealthy food in a very short period of time for no reason

>whatsoever. I have noticed that this is brought on particularly by

>insomnia or alcohol consumption.

Alcohol consumption is problematic for CRONies. Moderation is a

harder goal than abstinence, but for some, abstinence is probably a

better goal, in view of the common concommitant disinhibition and the

empty calories, in return for which we achieve a dubious relaxation

and some measure of cardioprotective effects, which might be less

relevant if one is actually CRed.

Maco

[Guest guest]

Hi JS:

There is one thing I would like to add to what Francesca said.

IMO the one thing you absolutely do need to do, even at your present

young age, is to make absolutely sure not to let your weight 'get

away from you' on the upside. So many people are slim at your age

and then suddenly, often in just a few years, put on a huge amount of

weight. This can happen especially to people who become distracted

by other issues in their lives. Then, after putting on an

unnecessary, unwanted, and very undesirable extra sixty pounds of

weight, they are confronted by the need for a massive amount of will

power to reverse it.

(My personal experience is that it takes nine times as long to lose

weight as it does to gain it eating ad lib).

So ............... if I was in your position I would use the

bathroom scale as my criterion to judge whether the amount I am

eating is appropriate. If you have a sensible BMI now, just make

sure to keep it at that sensible level. If your weight rises, make

sure to take prompt action to bring it back down again. But if

occasional binges are not causing your weight to rise then your

overall average caloric intake is appropriate. If you are able to

maintain a stable weight you will be well ahead of 70% of the

population. As Francesca said, you have the rest of your life to do

CR.

Rodney.

>

> Hello JS:

>

> You were really young when you started CR. IMHO much too young to

worry

> about diet restriction. We don't recommend that teens start such a

diet.

> Perhaps you should have waited til you were over 21 or at least out

of

> school.

>

> You don't say what your weight, height or BMI are. If on the very

low side,

> and if you are missing nutrients, that could a reason for

bingeing. But

> bear in mind that we are not an eating disorders clinic here. You

should

> probably get an opinion from such a place.

>

> AFA the kind of food you are bingeing on, the best thing to do is

to try to

> have an environment where that kind of food is not around. What I

keep

> around the house are whole grains, fruit, hummus, beans, nuts, and

such. If

> I were you I would forget about CR while still a student (judging

from your

> e-mail address you might still be in school) and worry about it

later when

> you will have more control over the food in your surroundings.

>

> You will have the entire rest of your life to do CR. Why the hurry?

>

>

> > From: hergertjs04 <hergertjs04@...>

> > Reply-< >

> > Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 23:17:28 -0000

> > < >

> > Subject: [ ] Binge Eating

> >

> > Hello. I have been on caloric restriction for about 3 years

(Since I

> > was 19). Now, it has seems, I have developed some kind of binge

> > eating disorder where occassionally I will just eat a huge amount

of

> > unhealthy food in a very short period of time for no reason

> > whatsoever. I have noticed that this is brought on particularly

by

> > insomnia or alcohol consumption. Does anyone have any ideas as to

> > what could be wrong? Normally I would binge on things like

cookies

> > and ice cream and pretzels. I really have no or limited control

> > during these periods so this is accumpanied by a very strange

mental

> > state.

> >

> > Normally I do quite well and have no hunger problems. This does

not

> > seem to be related to hunger. I have not had this problem

before. If

> > anyone has any ideas I would really appreciate them.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Binge eating is not an uncommon psychological response to dietary

restrictions. I know of others who never binged until they dieted.

You may have the beginnings of an eating disorder. Or you may simply

want to consider a more intuitive approach to eating, where you let

your body guide you to what would nourish you, instead of relying on

external rules and expectations about what you should be eating.

That might extinguish the rebellious eating response you are now

experiencing.

> > > From: hergertjs04 <hergertjs04@>

> > > Reply-< >

> > > Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 23:17:28 -0000

> > > < >

> > > Subject: [ ] Binge Eating

> > >

> > > Hello. I have been on caloric restriction for about 3 years

> (Since I

> > > was 19). Now, it has seems, I have developed some kind of

binge

> > > eating disorder where occassionally I will just eat a huge

amount

> of

> > > unhealthy food in a very short period of time for no reason

> > > whatsoever. I have noticed that this is brought on

particularly

> by

> > > insomnia or alcohol consumption. Does anyone have any ideas

as to

> > > what could be wrong? Normally I would binge on things like

> cookies

> > > and ice cream and pretzels. I really have no or limited

control

> > > during these periods so this is accumpanied by a very strange

> mental

> > > state.

> > >

> > > Normally I do quite well and have no hunger problems. This

does

> not

> > > seem to be related to hunger. I have not had this problem

> before. If

> > > anyone has any ideas I would really appreciate them.

> > >

> > > Thank you.

> > >

> >

>