Re: What is normal?

[Guest guest]

BadBoy,

Go to the Links section (yellow bar to your left) and you will find

links to what you're looking for an more. And no, 305 is NOT normal

for a 35 year old - more like a 75 year old...

Regards,

K4

> I just got my T levels back from the doctor, and I know it has

> probably been posted before, but I was just wondering if someone

knew

> of a site or some info somewhere that tells me where I fall with my

> levels and my age, and if I am considered normal range or not.

> I am 35 years old, and here are my levels.

> Total T - 305

> Free T - 14.4

> FSH - 1.6

> LH - 2.3

> If anyone has any info, or any input whatsoever, it would be greatly

> appreciated.

> J.A.

[Guest guest]

I've opened and printed the table showing T levels by age, but the

reference link - http://www.weymouthclinic.co.uk/wellman/paper2.html -

takes you to a page with a notice that the site has moved, and I've

been unable to find the same info on the new site. I'd like to show

my Endo where the info comes from - anyone have a valid study link or

more info on where they got their data?

Jim

> > I just got my T levels back from the doctor, and I know it has

> > probably been posted before, but I was just wondering if someone

> knew

> > of a site or some info somewhere that tells me where I fall with

my

> > levels and my age, and if I am considered normal range or not.

> > I am 35 years old, and here are my levels.

> > Total T - 305

> > Free T - 14.4

> > FSH - 1.6

> > LH - 2.3

> > If anyone has any info, or any input whatsoever, it would be

greatly

> > appreciated.

> > J.A.

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Did you try a Google search?

OR eon

Re: What is normal?

I've opened and printed the table showing T levels by age, but the

reference link - http://www.weymouthclinic.co.uk/wellman/paper2.html -

takes you to a page with a notice that the site has moved, and I've

been unable to find the same info on the new site. I'd like to show

my Endo where the info comes from - anyone have a valid study link or

more info on where they got their data?

Jim

> > I just got my T levels back from the doctor, and I know it has

> > probably been posted before, but I was just wondering if someone

> knew

> > of a site or some info somewhere that tells me where I fall with

my

> > levels and my age, and if I am considered normal range or not.

> > I am 35 years old, and here are my levels.

> > Total T - 305

> > Free T - 14.4

> > FSH - 1.6

> > LH - 2.3

> > If anyone has any info, or any input whatsoever, it would be

greatly

> > appreciated.

> > J.A.

[Guest guest]

Yes. Because you're gaining muscle weight as you lose fat. Have you taken

measurements? If your bodyfat has decreased, and your muscle mass has

increased, your measurements should also be going down, bit by bit.

Sounds like you're doing great!

: )

What is normal?

Hello All,

I'm 5'5 150lbs. I'm on week 8 of my challenge. I started out at

26.1% body fat, and today am at 19.5% body fat. So here is my

question: Is it normal to see a steady decrease in body fat

percentages, but not loose scale pounds or inches?

[Guest guest]

I'll second that. Boy If I could C1 over, I would have definately done

measurements.

But I bet your jeans are loose, though with such a big drop in BF%! Good job!

> Yes. Because you're gaining muscle weight as you lose fat. Have you taken

> measurements? If your bodyfat has decreased, and your muscle mass has

> increased, your measurements should also be going down, bit by bit.

>

> Sounds like you're doing great!

> : )

>

> What is normal?

>

> Hello All,

> I'm 5'5 150lbs. I'm on week 8 of my challenge. I started out at

> 26.1% body fat, and today am at 19.5% body fat. So here is my

> question: Is it normal to see a steady decrease in body fat

> percentages, but not loose scale pounds or inches?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/1/2005 12:31:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

lisamunson@... writes:

the therapist will go thru a list of nunsense words to make sure that we are

hearing all the 6 ling sounds and more.

this is something my audie and I could try, but I still have trouble telling

the difference between some sounds, including G and D.

Lee

[Guest guest]

That's a good question! After so many years of hearing loss, it's hard for

post-lings to remember what's normal too. As a post-ling, I used to get very

frustrated with my maps because I wanted it to sound like what I thought I

remembered normal hearing to be. Never happened. After a while I decided that

it

was no use being frustrated so I decided that I would go for a mapping that

made all the sounds seem in proportion. I listened to hear if one sound or

type of sound stood out too much from the rest of the sounds. Or if some sounds

were too hard to hear. I asked a lot of questions abouthow things sounded to

normal hearing people. Sometimes people weren't able to respond too well

because normal hearing is quite taken for granted. After 5 years hooked up, I

still ask questions! It's not so much about the balance of sound anymore,

mostly

the volume of what is considered normal.

In a message dated 8/1/2005 3:14:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

spottedlee@... writes:

Is there anyway that we, the prelinguals ever find out what is normal

hearing?

Lee

[Guest guest]

Lee- I get both my mappings and AVT at the same center. It is Nechear in CT.

Anyways, every week when I have my AVT, the therapist will go thru a list of

nunsense words to make sure that we are hearing all the 6 ling sounds and more.

My therapist also will ask me how I think I am hearing for that week. She also

monitor my voice. I usually end up going in for a map every 4-6 weeks or so. We

just made an appt for my mappings on both sides but It will be mid August as

every kid that is going back to school needs a map. But generally the center

don't like to make a CIer wait. They do aggressive mappings and frequently. By

the time that I get mapped; it would have been 3 months for the right and 2

months for the left. My map on the right sounds awful right now but the left is

helping it a long.

Snoopy

prelingual

What is normal?

What is normal? I am sure it is something that puzzles many prelingual deaf.

My audie wants me to come in for another map (5 months too early). She said

that she doesn't like anyone walking around with a map they don't like. All

I know there are some sounds that sound awful, but then, I noticed some

decrease of discrimination.

Is there anyway that we, the prelinguals ever find out what is normal

hearing?

Lee

[Guest guest]

Lee,

I think it varies person to person. My deafness is postlingual so I have

a " stepping stone " to compare it with (even though

it was 24 years ago) and that helps somewhat but I think we all have to

go with what works for us and what feels the most

comfortable as opposed to what is " natural/real/normal " hearing.

I'm part of the Freedom trials (implanted Jan and activated in April)

and I've totally disliked some of the maps I've had to use as part of

the study protocol. One of them I *hated* to the point of calling my

audie back and informing him that it was so awful compared to the map

I'd been using previously. I likened it to almost going deaf all over

again because going from a high-clarity map to a muddy sounding one with

no sound definition (if I recall correctly I told him that I'd been

listening to ABBA with my previous map and with the new one he put in

they sounded like pigs grunting.)

He told me that he hated the thought of me going for 4 weeks (let alone

5 months like you!) with a map I totally loathed, so

he had me come back and he tweaked it as much as he could within the

study protocol (it was better but still not as good as

my preferred map.) I can understand why your audie feels the same way.

When I was using the " bad map " as I call it, it put

my entire attitude on edge. I felt stressed, angry, UNHAPPY. I *knew*

that it could be better but couldn't " have that " right then and it

wasn't a pleasant thing to experience.

Talk with your audie and go with what feels right for you - but I do

agree that walking around with a map you don't like

is not fun. Better to get one that works better for you.

~Dy Stone

Freedom implanted 1/2005 activated 4/2005

http://bionicgal.blogspot.com/ <-- my CI blog

spottedlee@... wrote:

> What is normal? I am sure it is something that puzzles many

> prelingual deaf.

>

> My audie wants me to come in for another map (5 months too early).

> She said

> that she doesn't like anyone walking around with a map they don't

> like. All

> I know there are some sounds that sound awful, but then, I noticed some

> decrease of discrimination.

>

> Is there anyway that we, the prelinguals ever find out what is normal

> hearing?

>

> Lee

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

THAT was a great article. Thanks! And this is what I have always seen as Hunter's gift and my privilege to experience it.

"he seemed to have a sincere appreciation for other people simply because they were - well - people. This man was, simply stated, better than I. Oh, he was different; he had Down syndrome but as a human being, he was still better than I. He loved without reservation or condition; he did not judge others based on what they looked like or what they were wearing; he understood the gift of human touch and kindness and was ready to share this gift with everyone he could. He was not the least bit self-conscious much less self-absorbed. There was no guile in this man. He was far closer to innocence than those of us who are "normal."

Patty

[Guest guest]

My son has has like 8 bm's in a day. It is making potty training very difficult

for him and we go through a ton of diapers. I think something is going on as

his hair is very thin (he is 3) and he eats constantly. I think his little

body is constantly craving food to keep up with all that is going out. He is

thin but not so thin that it's below the norm for his height.

I posted a few weeks ago because months ago someone posted about their child's

bm's floating in the potty and it being a sign of something that was wrong with

fat absorption. Now that we are on the potty I realize this is an issue.

Stools are loose but not runny. I was hoping I could make contact with that

same parent to find out what exactly it was they were saying was wrong because I

remember when they corrected it their child had a big surge in speech. I got

some responses but none from the parent I was trying to find. He's had all of

the metabolic testing and bloodword and except amino acids everythign was at

normal levels. Amino were only a little off.

No, I wasn't planning to stop the milk right away but I'm wondering if milk

might be a factor and I was going to discuss it next time I took him to the

gastro. The gastro actually wants me to take him off all juice and go with

whole milk again and water.

Thanks for the help, I will read what you sent as links below!

Sue

[ ] What is normal?

Sue what do you mean by " more than normal " ? From what I learned from my natural

health practitioner friends it's optimal to move your bowels after each meal

-that would be the sign of a healthy gut as long as the bowel movements are

normal -not loose. I don't have time to find the research and too early to call

anyone but found this with a quick search (from a vegan board)

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14661

And about stopping milk -yes if one is allergic you have to...but if not I just

posted about this -you'd want to make sure your child has all the nutrients or

you put them at risk for weak brittle bones, short stature and obesity according

to recent studies. Very sad these children, many today who are self diagnosed as

allergic by the parent but tested not to be once under medical care, have to now

go through issues senior citizens deal with -and once you create this problem in

a child -not sure if it's correctable depending upon how long you do this type

of restrictive diet. Anyway research on the following link on this:

/message/94656

=====

[Guest guest]

Tell the pediatrician about your concerns. Maybe a visit to a Pediatric

Endocronologist who would do more specific blood work to test levels of needed

vitamins. A constant hunger is also a sign of thyroid issues--the Endo could

check on those concerns too.

>very thin (he is 3) and he eats constantly. I think his little body is

constantly craving food to keep up with all that is going out. He is thin but

not so thin that it's below the norm for his height.

>

[Guest guest]

Eight bowel movements a day? How many times a day is he eating? Is he

gaining/losing weight? What percentile in growth? My first thought would be to

schedule an appointment with a pediatric gastroenterologist.

=====

[Guest guest]

Sorry if this is TMI, but for years i have only had 1 substantial BM about every

2-3 weeks. My GI doctor told me that some people have 5 a day and others have

one every 5 days and that it may very well be normal for them. I was put on

miralax when it first came out and then zelnorm. My poor baby has been on

miralax for almost a year. Not one doctor or specialist along the way has thrown

out the possibility of a food sensitivity as the cause.

I would never tell someone to casually remove a large food group from their or

their childs diet especially, but I personally dont feel that a short trial

phase can hurt as long as it's well planned or even under the supervision of a

Dietitian. (soy milk is a complete protein and also enriched with vit A, D and

calcium. the only down side is that it has natural estrogens and long term

effects arent well studied.)

Come to find out milk protien sensitivities seem to run in families. So who

knows what other seemingly unimportant 'symptoms' may be diet related in adults.

It's just food for thought. I hope someone can benefit from this.

[Guest guest]

Yes, he has been to the gastroenterologist. We are doing some bloodwork/stool

tests with that.

He is at about the 25th percentile. He eats nonstop!

Thanks for feedback!

[ ] Re: What is normal?

Eight bowel movements a day? How many times a day is he eating? Is he

gaining/losing weight? What percentile in growth? My first thought would be to

schedule an appointment with a pediatric gastroenterologist.

=====

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the feedback. I'm definitely going to look further into some food

sensitivities!

[Guest guest]

I told my son's pediatric GI that he was going 4 to 5 times per day and he

thought that was excessive. My son is nearly 3 and has a growth failure

diagnosis.

[Guest guest]

You wouldn't think so -but the pediatric gastroenterologist we took Tanner to

that I love here in Florida out of St 's in Palm Beach -Dr. - was very

open to nutritional aspects of helping with issues in our children. And...VERY

anti medication if not needed.

These are older archives but I just want to say all is normal -no constipation

for years now -and even more normal since nutriiveda now. What's cool is that

prior to nutriiveda even though he'd be able to if we reminded him - we'd have

to " remind " Tanner because he didn't appear to feel the need to for some

reason...now he seems to know and goes -awesome!!! (increase in nerve

sensitivity?)

~~~~~~~~~~~

Constipation for some reason is not unusual -so here's an archive on

that

from 2004. Since around 9 years old -actually check the archives

since Dr.

-no more constipation. That's without medication too. We used

to use

the following dietary changes -but Tanner no longer even drinks POM

juice

everyday as he did for years -and still fine!

When my son Tanner was first diagnosed with apraxia 8 years ago -

constipation was one of the many issues considered by another apraxia

group as [OFF TOPIC] Since it wasn't talked about -I too thought

that the constipation was a separate issue from the apraxia...it

appears that's not the case. We know that apraxia (like autism) is

multifaceted -and even though it appears constipation is another

possible symptom- we don't know for sure the reason. Motor planning

could be part of the equation (the trouble in doing something on

command) Below are two archives on constipation that may help newer

parents and professionals in this group understand what we've been

seeing for years.

It's actually shocking how many children in this group are late to

potty train -and then develop constipation once they do potty train.

Below is a long archive on this. I can give hope in adding that my

son Tanner who had suffered from this horrible condition for years

has been regular just about ever since we saw Dr. ...and we only

had to see him once and then once for follow up - and that was years

ago now at this point. I still highly recommend him. Today Tanner

just drinks Pom Wonderful each day (in addition to his fish oils and

vitamin E of course)

Here's the archive:

Tina I'm sure you read this before -but as you know my son Tanner

regressed on high fiber so careful with that. Below is the archive

I've posted many times before on this.

Lawrence MD (pediatric gastroenterologist MD)

5325 Greenwood Ave

West Palm Beach Florida

561 840 1960

" Dr. said....due to what I reported with Tanner's regression

with too much fiber not to use high fiber either. He said it is

possible that the fiber is cutting short the fatty acids in the gut. "

If you go the higher fiber route -perhaps try giving the high fiber

a different time of day then the fish oils. Didn't say on my last

update that of course Tanner's still on the 4 ProEFA and 2 ProEPA

every day.

Today all we use to prevent constipation is the Pom Wonderful juice

every day -just a small amount too. http://www.pomwonderful.com/

Last Christmas we flew to NY and didn't give him any Pom juice while

we were there and he got constipated. That was the only time we

needed to use the Cherry Milk of Magnesia in the recent past

http://www.bayercare.com/htm/philmom.htm

But before the POM -there was a road to normal -and this archive has

that history. Note...you can try the alternative approaches posted

here as most of us do -but as you'll read below like me you may be

horrified to learn that some of them may be more harmful then worth

it. If you are looking for a traditional MD who is open to

alternatives if they work and are benign as a first try prior to

medication I'd highly say it is worth flying to see Dr. who we

only had to see twice -but who helped us immensely even at the first

visit. Thank you once again Dr. ! We are happy not to see you

again! (and I mean that in the nicest way of course!)

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:52 pm

Subject: Re: constipation - what kind of nectar?

Hi Tricia -sorry I missed your call and not sure if it's too late to

call you now.

We mainly use pear nectar and fruit cups, and papaya nectar and Dole

Fruit 'n Gels®, Reduced Sugar, Papaya in Peach Gel

Problem is even though they are still in our stores here in Florida -

I don't see them on the Dole website which means they may be

discontinued and soon to be missing from store shelves? (NO!)

http://www.dole.com/foodservice/products/pack.fruitngel.jsp

I had asked Tanner's doctor, Dr. why more MDs don't recommend

nutritional

interventions to the constipation and he said " And how long did I

just spend with you? " Yes it took a few hours! Anyway -you guys can

know all I do in a few minutes -(the time it takes to write a

prescription)

and just in case you are interested -

I have Dr. contact information below. I highly recommend him.

Lawrence MD (pediatric gastroenterologist MD)

5325 Greenwood Ave

West Palm Beach Florida

561 840 1960

Here are a few archives with more information on this.

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Sat Feb 7, 2004 7:19 pm

Subject: Re: high fiber regression/constipation

Hi Joanne,

I first thought of aloe too, and then found the senna tea to work

for Tanner, but when I posted it here was told how bad senna is for

children and especially with long term use. (thank you!!)

The advice I heard here was confirmed by Tanner's pediatric

gastroenterologist Dr. from West Palm Beach Florida.

Dr. who told me that senna, and harsh stimulants like it

(which include aloe) are harsh on the body, and that they may work

for a bit, but you will gradually need more and more for it to

work.

Dr. advised me that the gentlest laxative is the Milk

of Magnesia because it just draws moisture to the bowels and works

the most like mother nature. Tanner likes the cherry flavored Milk

of Magnesia. MOM is " stimulant free "

" ' Milk of Magnesia has provided effective, stimulant-free

relief of constipation for over 125 years. Unlike some other

laxatives, doctor recommended ' Milk of Magnesia does not

contain the harsh stimulants that can cause pain and cramping. When

taken at a lower dose, ' can also be used for fast-acting

relief of acid indigestion, sour stomach, and heartburn. Available

in Mint, Cherry, and Original formulas. "

http://www.bayercare.com/htm/philmom.htm

And what you need to read about aloe:

FDA Rules that Aloe & Cascara Are Not Safe as Stimulant Laxatives

Date

November 20, 2002

Details

The FDA issued a final ruling on Nov 5, 2002, stating that the

stimulant laxative ingredients aloe (including extract and flower

extract) and cascara sagrada (including all fluidextracts, bark and

casanthranol) in over-the-counter drug products are not generally

recognized as safe and effective or are misbranded. The FDA pointed

out that there is inadequate data on the toxicity of aloe and

cascara sagrada. These products have not been shown to be safe and

effective for their intended use. These ingredients should be

eliminated from general use within 180 days

http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/12015.cfm

" herbal teas containing senna, aloe, buckthorn, and other plant-

derived laxatives that, when consumed in excessive amounts, can

cause diarrhea, vomiting, nausea, stomach cramps, chronic

constipation, fainting, and perhaps death. "

http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/health/teatime/597_tea.html

And again -an archive about what the traditional gastroenterologist

Dr. " prescribed " for Tanner which is working (just wish he

didn't have to drink nectar every day!):

" This also may have to do with some signaling problem or motor

planning aspect. Not sure -but who cares when anyone just about

anywhere can pick up pear nectar or Dole papaya fruit and gel

bowls! This works -and we love Dr. !!

> Today I took Tanner to see pediatric gastroenterologist Lawrence

> MD from Palm Beach Florida for Tanner's problem with

> constipation which we have been trying to help him with now for

the

> past 5 years or more with various MDs (Tanner is now 7) Up till

now

> nobody has wanted to put Tanner on medications -and since we've

> moved we haven't taken Tanner to see his NJ/NY MDs. I highly

> recommend Dr. if you are in Florida in that he took over an

> hour with us -was excellent with Tanner (very funny) and was very

> open to discussing off the wall theories on constipation in

apraxic

> children -a best kept secret even though it's known for autism.

Dr.

> has many patients with special needs -some with severe CP

> whose parents have to blend fruits for their constipation that

they

> can put through their feeding tube.

>

> Here is a brief summery from the prescription he gave me:

>

> Diet: Nectars (fruit juices) Papaya, pear, apricot (if he can

> stand it -can mix with others but try plain nectar first)

> * prune juice -can be mixed with orange juice (since most kids

don't

> like it)

>

> exotic fruits- figs, dates, apricot, papaya (papaya underlined

> twice) (if he can stand it -like the nectars -these work wonders

he

> said)

>

> limit -banana, apple, rice, dairy

>

> Milk of Magnesia 2-3 tablespoons with glass of water any time he

> skips 1 day. Works 4-8 hours.

>

> Behavior Modification -10 minutes daily -no distractions. Use

> calendar stickers -every week reward for amount of BMs

> 2/ week something small

> 3-4 medium

> 5-7 large reward

>

> Dr. said that there is a chance that the problem could be

> motor planning -but he can't fix that -his goal is to get Tanner

on

> a schedule for a long period of time so that he starts going

> automatically. He doesn't want me to use the Nature's Tea due to

> the senna in it -said it can cause dependence in long term use,

and

> said that due to what I reported with Tanner's regression with too

> much fiber not to use high fiber either. He said it is possible

> that the fiber is cutting short the fatty acids in the gut. "

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Wed Dec 3, 2003 9:37 pm

Subject: Re: constipation/ new info on Probiotic -

Hi -lots more on this in the archives. Dr. is a

traditional pediatric gastroenterologist MD too -go figure!

Lawrence MD

5325 Greenwood Ave

West Palm Beach Florida

561 840 1960

Tanner is picky about which nectar he'll drink or it's " ewww " he

loves the pear nectar from a company from Belgium called Looza which

I'm dreading our local stores stop stocking and have already spoken

personally to about 4 store managers to beg them to keep carrying

it, and a papaya nectar from s " all natural " that looks like

someone bottles it in their garage and drives it to the store

themselves -not sure if it's distributed anywhere else:

s Tropical Plantation

6550 Okeechobee Blvd

West Palm Beach, FL 33411-2798

United States

Mr. Henry s

President

Tel: 561-683-4701

Fax: 561-683-4993

Hey just looked up Looza online and apparently it's owned by

Tropicana which is not far from me either!

http://www.copyshark.com/samples/TropWSamples2.html

I send Tanner to school with these little cans of Libby pear nectar

and a dole fruit and gel with papaya (that he actually likes but is

now getting sick of)

We give him some nectar for breakfast, some for lunch -at least

twice a day. Speaking of bananas which he used to love -I stopped

buying them all the time like I did before -we've cut down his rice

and milk -and that's about it. If he misses a day we give him 3

tablespoons of the strawberry Milk of Magnesia like Dr.

suggested, and it works -but that's not often he misses now.

Speaking of missing -you must have missed my answer to you!

" From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Sun Nov 16, 2003 2:15 am

Subject: Re: constipation

Wow thanks for this comprehensive lesson about the gut!

I just wanted to add that in a nutshell -out of our couple of hour

appointment with pediatric gastroenterologist Lawrence MD from

Palm Beach Florida, we covered much of what you talked about.

I just want to clarify that Dr. did not recommend juice, and

that I can tell you that for Tanner juice did not work. Dr.

recommended the nectars -specifically papaya, pear, apricot etc....

We use a mixture of pear, papaya and mango nectar -heavy on the

pear. Here is a bit about each:

" Fresh papaya is probably the finest healing food in the world. It

is anti-inflammatory, detoxifying, has enzymes which can decompose

toxic matter, and help digest foods eaten so as to get more

nutrients out of them for feeding the cells of the body. It is

literally the finest anti aging food known and can even help prevent

wrinkles...

Pear nectar flushes the liver gallbladder, removes gout and other

acid accumulation and prevents constipation. Two 6 oz glasses a day

between meals is the appropriate amount for most individuals. "

http://www.timeforhealth.com/foods.html ... "

There was much more on that one, and here is from another archived

message:

" Many of our kids (sorry all the potty training stage people to break

this to you) that potty trained as a group a bit later (around 4)

due to the muscle control weakness from the low tone(it's not in

their control) then have constipation problems for the same reason -

constipation.

Based on how well and quick this worked -I'm guessing that there may

be some psychological fear aspects that are at play in our kids

too. They have a painful experience (you know what I mean if you

know what I mean) and then they are afraid to go so they hold it in.

This also may have to do with some signaling problem or motor

planning aspect. Not sure -but who cares when anyone just about

anywhere can pick up pear nectar or Dole papaya fruit and gel

bowls! This works -and we love Dr. !!

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:32 am

Subject: Re: constipation

Hi !

Tanner is tired of the gels too. But I was told by Dr. that

we need to keep him on a daily regimen of going every day for at

least a few months to have the best possible chance of getting him

regular. Like Tanner -your children are old enough to have this

explained to them. So like it or not -Tanner is forced to drink the

nectars and eat the gel -and not just once a day either. He needs

nectar at least two to three times a day for it to work -and it's

working (so worth it).

Dr. told me " at some point you will get lax about it -and

he'll get constipated again -and once he does -it will start all

over. I'm just warning you because I see it happen. " I know why he

said this -most parents don't listen. Don't have to warn me twice -

there is no way in heck I want to be standing with a phone in my

hand wondering if I should call 911 while my son is crying and

screaming in extreme pain sitting on the toilet after I've tried all

I could think of to get it out and Glenn wasn't home. You don't

know until you know.

How do we keep him from getting bored? When you go to a restaurant -

ask them to make a fancy fruit mix drink for your child and put all

the fancy umbrellas and fruits in it like it's a mixed drink -they

don't use nectars -but they typically make them very sweet for the

kids. Then when you get home -buy a bunch of different nectars and

fruit juices and mix saying you will try to make the same thing for

them. This is what we did and it worked. Now I typically just give

Tanner the pear and papaya nectar mixed -heavy on the pear since he

likes the taste of that more (and it also works) Again -if Tanner

misses a day -he gets 3 tablespoons of Strawberry Flavored Milk of

Magnesia -like other kids he hated the mint -he loves the

strawberry -and I also saw they have chocolate -but didn't try it

since I know Tanner likes the one we have. Dr. told me " Don't

travel without the Milk of Magnesia, don't forget to bring it with

you if you are going on vacation " and we won't! Not every store

carries the Strawberry -the only flavor I know for sure Tanner likes.

For those of you that don't have pear or papaya nectar by you -I'd

call and see if you can order it online. I just checked net grocer

http://www.netgrocer.com and they carry pear and papaya nectar, but

not the brand we use -Looza. Tanner loves the Looza nectars -but we

also use the Kerns and Goya when we travel which they have. They

have the Dole fruit gels (I'd call and ask if they have papaya -

didn't see it but maybe they can get it? They also have the Milk of

Magnesia in chocolate and french vanilla -two flavors we haven't

tried - and they even had papaya babyfood! Hmm -I haven't tried

that one either -glad I looked for you guys!) Perhaps for variety?

Tanner too doesn't like fresh or dried papaya.

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> Thanks for the feedback. I'm definitely going to look further into some

food sensitivities!

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[Guest guest]

I would definitely check out food allergies. Some of the most common

allergies that effect the brain and the digestive systems are milk and gluten

(wheat). Make sure your child gets tested for both of those at least.

Good luck