Re: need advice (from an SLP as well please!)

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

This is probably a good question to be answered by one of the SLPs in the group

as well so changed the subject name. What is written in your child's IEP? If

you have 2X a week of 1/1 therapy written into the IEP then the therapist is not

able to change your child to group therapy unless you also have group therapy

written into the IEP, or this is in addition to the individual therapy? The

school SLP has to follow the IEP.

There are cases where a therapist may believe it better for an apraxic child at

some point to work with a buddy when they find that the child is responding

favorably to this other child's attempts/or to create a healthy competition for

lack of better words - and the two are working on similar goals. It's highly

dependent on the children involved and severity levels etc. I don't know the age

of your child or the buddy he's been paired with but there are too many

variables to know if this is the appropriate approach for your child. And even

if it could be the appropriate approach, I wouldn't know if the buddy your child

is paired up with is the appropriate child to buddy up with your apraxic child.

But in short -yes it can work in certain situations. There were times I chose

to do this with Tanner because he did enjoy at times working on his therapy

goals with a buddy as he got older and we did find it encouraged him to go that

extra step. Again I agreed to it however and it was written into the IEP.

Again however if individual or one on one therapy is written into your child's

IEP for 2X a week (not sure how long the session is because that's another

variable) then that is what was deemed appropriate for your child by the IEP

team (which you are a part of) and thus what your child is entitled to. You

would want to know if the buddy therapy is replacing the individual therapy

without your knowledge or consent...and it's possible that this arrangement

'was' written into your child's IEP and you never picked it up when it was

signed? That happens at times- which is why it's good to have someone that is

more experienced (such as your child's private SLP for example) look over the

IEP prior to you signing it. You can always reopen the IEP if something you

agree to ends up not being appropriate for your child after it's started.

What you do with private therapy is irrelevant to what is written into your

child's IEP and what is found to be appropriate therapy by the IEP team.

Hope that helps!

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[Guest guest]

I'll def need to tag this! Great Q.. concur with others.. anything changed

that's not documented in IEP needs to be addressed with parents.

For my son who turned three in Nov and we've been battling inter-district

transfer issues since (long story).. it was always apparent that mode of

treating would be in a small group. Either 2 or 3 children. My child has some

behavioral/separation challenges and the group factor was immediately a concern

for me. Yet I also can see some of the benefits for him. With the *right*

therapist and *right* match up child... may very well work. Without that, it

will be a nightmare for both. Wishing you the best!

Leigh

>

> Hi Janet,

>

> This is probably a good question to be answered by one of the SLPs in the

group as well so changed the subject name. What is written in your child's

IEP? If you have 2X a week of 1/1 therapy written into the IEP then the

therapist is not able to change your child to group therapy unless you also have

group therapy written into the IEP, or this is in addition to the individual

therapy? The school SLP has to follow the IEP.

>

> There are cases where a therapist may believe it better for an apraxic child

at some point to work with a buddy when they find that the child is responding

favorably to this other child's attempts/or to create a healthy competition for

lack of better words - and the two are working on similar goals. It's highly

dependent on the children involved and severity levels etc. I don't know the age

of your child or the buddy he's been paired with but there are too many

variables to know if this is the appropriate approach for your child. And even

if it could be the appropriate approach, I wouldn't know if the buddy your child

is paired up with is the appropriate child to buddy up with your apraxic child.

But in short -yes it can work in certain situations. There were times I chose

to do this with Tanner because he did enjoy at times working on his therapy

goals with a buddy as he got older and we did find it encouraged him to go that

extra step. Again I agreed to it however and it was written into the IEP.

>

> Again however if individual or one on one therapy is written into your child's

IEP for 2X a week (not sure how long the session is because that's another

variable) then that is what was deemed appropriate for your child by the IEP

team (which you are a part of) and thus what your child is entitled to. You

would want to know if the buddy therapy is replacing the individual therapy

without your knowledge or consent...and it's possible that this arrangement

'was' written into your child's IEP and you never picked it up when it was

signed? That happens at times- which is why it's good to have someone that is

more experienced (such as your child's private SLP for example) look over the

IEP prior to you signing it. You can always reopen the IEP if something you

agree to ends up not being appropriate for your child after it's started.

>

> What you do with private therapy is irrelevant to what is written into your

child's IEP and what is found to be appropriate therapy by the IEP team.

>

> Hope that helps!

>

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I will answer more tomorrow. We are dealing w/another blizzard w/20+ " more of

snow here in MD! I've already shoveled for 2hrs & have barely made a dent. Ugh!

Yes, the IEP has to be followed. It may not specify how services are to be

given--except for in class or pull out. Unless the IEP specifies grp or indiv,

they may not be in violation. That doesn't mean I'm agreeing.

More comments tomorrow.

Barbara

Warmest wishes,

Barbara A , M.S., CCC-SLP

Executive Director, Help Me Speak, LLC

410-442-9791

[ ] Re: need advice (from an SLP as well please!)

Hi Janet,

This is probably a good question to be answered by one of the SLPs in the group

as well so changed the subject name. What is written in your child's IEP? If

you have 2X a week of 1/1 therapy written into the IEP then the therapist is not

able to change your child to group therapy unless you also have group therapy

written into the IEP, or this is in addition to the individual therapy? The

school SLP has to follow the IEP.

There are cases where a therapist may believe it better for an apraxic child at

some point to work with a buddy when they find that the child is responding

favorably to this other child's attempts/or to create a healthy competition for

lack of better words - and the two are working on similar goals. It's highly

dependent on the children involved and severity levels etc. I don't know the age

of your child or the buddy he's been paired with but there are too many

variables to know if this is the appropriate approach for your child. And even

if it could be the appropriate approach, I wouldn't know if the buddy your child

is paired up with is the appropriate child to buddy up with your apraxic child.

But in short -yes it can work in certain situations. There were times I chose

to do this with Tanner because he did enjoy at times working on his therapy

goals with a buddy as he got older and we did find it encouraged him to go that

extra step. Again I agreed to it however and it was

written into the IEP.

Again however if individual or one on one therapy is written into your child's

IEP for 2X a week (not sure how long the session is because that's another

variable) then that is what was deemed appropriate for your child by the IEP

team (which you are a part of) and thus what your child is entitled to. You

would want to know if the buddy therapy is replacing the individual therapy

without your knowledge or consent...and it's possible that this arrangement

'was' written into your child's IEP and you never picked it up when it was

signed? That happens at times- which is why it's good to have someone that is

more experienced (such as your child's private SLP for example) look over the

IEP prior to you signing it. You can always reopen the IEP if something you

agree to ends up not being appropriate for your child after it's started.

What you do with private therapy is irrelevant to what is written into your

child's IEP and what is found to be appropriate therapy by the IEP team.

Hope that helps!

=====

[Guest guest]

Hi-

I agree.  You have to check and see what is specifically written in the IEP? 

It should specifiy group or individual.  Best, Lori

 

Lori Melnitsky, MA CCC-SLP

Director, All Island Speech  & Stuttering Therapy

STUTTERING SPECIALIST

PROMPT CERTIFIED

Founder- Long Island Stuttering Connection Practice Groups

516-776-0184

Plainview, NY 11803

 

You can now access my blog directly at:

www.allislandspeech.com 

 

 

" Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission " -Eleonor Roosevelt

 

From: Barbara <helpmespeak@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice (from an SLP as well please!)

Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 12:47 AM

 

Hi all,

I will answer more tomorrow. We are dealing w/another blizzard w/20+ " more of

snow here in MD! I've already shoveled for 2hrs & have barely made a dent. Ugh!

Yes, the IEP has to be followed. It may not specify how services are to be

given--except for in class or pull out. Unless the IEP specifies grp or indiv,

they may not be in violation. That doesn't mean I'm agreeing.

More comments tomorrow.

Barbara

Warmest wishes,

Barbara A , M.S., CCC-SLP

Executive Director, Help Me Speak, LLC

410-442-9791

[childrensapraxiane t] Re: need advice (from an SLP as well please!)

Hi Janet,

This is probably a good question to be answered by one of the SLPs in the group

as well so changed the subject name. What is written in your child's IEP? If you

have 2X a week of 1/1 therapy written into the IEP then the therapist is not

able to change your child to group therapy unless you also have group therapy

written into the IEP, or this is in addition to the individual therapy? The

school SLP has to follow the IEP.

There are cases where a therapist may believe it better for an apraxic child at

some point to work with a buddy when they find that the child is responding

favorably to this other child's attempts/or to create a healthy competition for

lack of better words - and the two are working on similar goals. It's highly

dependent on the children involved and severity levels etc. I don't know the age

of your child or the buddy he's been paired with but there are too many

variables to know if this is the appropriate approach for your child. And even

if it could be the appropriate approach, I wouldn't know if the buddy your child

is paired up with is the appropriate child to buddy up with your apraxic child.

But in short -yes it can work in certain situations. There were times I chose to

do this with Tanner because he did enjoy at times working on his therapy goals

with a buddy as he got older and we did find it encouraged him to go that extra

step. Again I agreed

to it however and it was

written into the IEP.

Again however if individual or one on one therapy is written into your child's

IEP for 2X a week (not sure how long the session is because that's another

variable) then that is what was deemed appropriate for your child by the IEP

team (which you are a part of) and thus what your child is entitled to. You

would want to know if the buddy therapy is replacing the individual therapy

without your knowledge or consent...and it's possible that this arrangement

'was' written into your child's IEP and you never picked it up when it was

signed? That happens at times- which is why it's good to have someone that is

more experienced (such as your child's private SLP for example) look over the

IEP prior to you signing it. You can always reopen the IEP if something you

agree to ends up not being appropriate for your child after it's started.

What you do with private therapy is irrelevant to what is written into your

child's IEP and what is found to be appropriate therapy by the IEP team.

Hope that helps!

=====

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori, My name is Beth Ann Shanks MSCCC/SLP in answer to your concerns:

1. Therapist in school, (I have 35 years experience with this) could have had a

scheduling bind and combined two children for a one time event.. This can easily

happen, I.E. assembly, testing etc.

2. A child cannot be put in a group if individual session is specified without

written notice to you that an IEP change is suggested with the reasons why. You

have 15 days on receipt of letter to agree or disagree. The change cannot happen

until those 15 days are over or you sign off for an earlier change date. This is

NJ Law, I would check your state code book, it will be in there.

3.. Minimal Pairs is a practice format based on phonological processing. It is a

well practiced strategy with Apraxia. Good Luck! Beth Ann

P.S. If you are in NJ, A new Central/South Jersey parent group is forming. Check

out directions at my website www.speechacademyllc.com

________________________________

From: Lori Melnitsky <lmelnitsky@...>

Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 8:29:15 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: need advice (from an SLP as well please!)

 

Hi-

I agree.  You have to check and see what is specifically written in the IEP? 

It should specifiy group or individual.  Best, Lori

 

Lori Melnitsky, MA CCC-SLP

Director, All Island Speech  & Stuttering Therapy

STUTTERING SPECIALIST

PROMPT CERTIFIED

Founder- Long Island Stuttering Connection Practice Groups

516-776-0184

Plainview, NY 11803

 

You can now access my blog directly at:

www.allislandspeech .com 

 

 

" Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission " - Eleonor Roosevelt

 

From: Barbara <helpmespeak@ verizon.net>

Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] Re: need advice (from an SLP as well

please!)

@groups. com

Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 12:47 AM

 

Hi all,

I will answer more tomorrow. We are dealing w/another blizzard w/20+ " more of

snow here in MD! I've already shoveled for 2hrs & have barely made a dent. Ugh!

Yes, the IEP has to be followed. It may not specify how services are to be

given--except for in class or pull out. Unless the IEP specifies grp or indiv,

they may not be in violation. That doesn't mean I'm agreeing.

More comments tomorrow.

Barbara

Warmest wishes,

Barbara A , M.S., CCC-SLP

Executive Director, Help Me Speak, LLC

410-442-9791

[childrensapraxiane t] Re: need advice (from an SLP as well please!)

Hi Janet,

This is probably a good question to be answered by one of the SLPs in the group

as well so changed the subject name. What is written in your child's IEP? If you

have 2X a week of 1/1 therapy written into the IEP then the therapist is not

able to change your child to group therapy unless you also have group therapy

written into the IEP, or this is in addition to the individual therapy? The

school SLP has to follow the IEP.

There are cases where a therapist may believe it better for an apraxic child at

some point to work with a buddy when they find that the child is responding

favorably to this other child's attempts/or to create a healthy competition for

lack of better words - and the two are working on similar goals. It's highly

dependent on the children involved and severity levels etc. I don't know the age

of your child or the buddy he's been paired with but there are too many

variables to know if this is the appropriate approach for your child. And even

if it could be the appropriate approach, I wouldn't know if the buddy your child

is paired up with is the appropriate child to buddy up with your apraxic child.

But in short -yes it can work in certain situations. There were times I chose to

do this with Tanner because he did enjoy at times working on his therapy goals

with a buddy as he got older and we did find it encouraged him to go that extra

step. Again I agreed

to it however and it was

written into the IEP.

Again however if individual or one on one therapy is written into your child's

IEP for 2X a week (not sure how long the session is because that's another

variable) then that is what was deemed appropriate for your child by the IEP

team (which you are a part of) and thus what your child is entitled to. You

would want to know if the buddy therapy is replacing the individual therapy

without your knowledge or consent...and it's possible that this arrangement

'was' written into your child's IEP and you never picked it up when it was

signed? That happens at times- which is why it's good to have someone that is

more experienced (such as your child's private SLP for example) look over the

IEP prior to you signing it. You can always reopen the IEP if something you

agree to ends up not being appropriate for your child after it's started.

What you do with private therapy is irrelevant to what is written into your

child's IEP and what is found to be appropriate therapy by the IEP team.

Hope that helps!

=====

[Guest guest]

Beth, Lori and Barbara thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to answer this.

Excellent advice! And Beth also thank you for sharing the new Jersey support

group (don't expect people to just be from one area...or even one state from my

experience however!) Beth can you post the exact link from your site with the

instructions? I'm probably just missing it because it's such a huge site!

Thanks!

=====

[Guest guest]

Thank you all so much for the replies. It is not in his IEP whether he should

have individual or group. Lesson learned!! We have been fortunate that for

over a yr now it has not been an issue. He went this morning and had a great

session, so we are going to watch to see if " grouping " him actually gives him a

" competitive " spirit and how it is impacting him day to day and then re-group.

Janet

>

> From: Barbara <helpmespeak@ verizon.net>

> Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] Re: need advice (from an SLP as well

please!)

> @groups. com

> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 12:47 AM

>

> Â

>

> Hi all,

> I will answer more tomorrow. We are dealing w/another blizzard w/20+ " more of

snow here in MD! I've already shoveled for 2hrs & have barely made a dent. Ugh!

>

> Yes, the IEP has to be followed. It may not specify how services are to be

given--except for in class or pull out. Unless the IEP specifies grp or indiv,

they may not be in violation. That doesn't mean I'm agreeing.

>

> More comments tomorrow.

> Barbara

>

> Warmest wishes,

> Barbara A , M.S., CCC-SLP

> Executive Director, Help Me Speak, LLC

> 410-442-9791

>

> [childrensapraxiane t] Re: need advice (from an SLP as well please!)

>

> Hi Janet,

>

> This is probably a good question to be answered by one of the SLPs in the

group as well so changed the subject name. What is written in your child's IEP?

If you have 2X a week of 1/1 therapy written into the IEP then the therapist is

not able to change your child to group therapy unless you also have group

therapy written into the IEP, or this is in addition to the individual therapy?

The school SLP has to follow the IEP.

>

> There are cases where a therapist may believe it better for an apraxic child

at some point to work with a buddy when they find that the child is responding

favorably to this other child's attempts/or to create a healthy competition for

lack of better words - and the two are working on similar goals. It's highly

dependent on the children involved and severity levels etc. I don't know the age

of your child or the buddy he's been paired with but there are too many

variables to know if this is the appropriate approach for your child. And even

if it could be the appropriate approach, I wouldn't know if the buddy your child

is paired up with is the appropriate child to buddy up with your apraxic child.

But in short -yes it can work in certain situations. There were times I chose to

do this with Tanner because he did enjoy at times working on his therapy goals

with a buddy as he got older and we did find it encouraged him to go that extra

step. Again I agreed

> to it however and it was

> written into the IEP.

>

> Again however if individual or one on one therapy is written into your child's

IEP for 2X a week (not sure how long the session is because that's another

variable) then that is what was deemed appropriate for your child by the IEP

team (which you are a part of) and thus what your child is entitled to. You

would want to know if the buddy therapy is replacing the individual therapy

without your knowledge or consent...and it's possible that this arrangement

'was' written into your child's IEP and you never picked it up when it was

signed? That happens at times- which is why it's good to have someone that is

more experienced (such as your child's private SLP for example) look over the

IEP prior to you signing it. You can always reopen the IEP if something you

agree to ends up not being appropriate for your child after it's started.

>

> What you do with private therapy is irrelevant to what is written into your

child's IEP and what is found to be appropriate therapy by the IEP team.

>

> Hope that helps!

>

> =====

>