Re: Re: how to handle halloween? holidays?

[Guest guest]

I normally don't respond, but this post really made me cry. My son at 3 years is

finally able to say trick or treat (or his version of it), but even last year

when he couldn't I still dressed him up and took him trick or treating because I

didn't want him to feel left out. He already knows he is different (he doesn't

socialize much with peers because he is often misunderstood), so I didn't want

him to stand out yet again in another area of life that most kids enjoy. I say

take him trick or treating and show him the toys r us yearly circular. He will

get excited and happy when he see what he likes.

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On Oct 11, 2010, at 1:21 PM, " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> wrote:

> Don't cry!!! My son at 3 -he was able to imitate in his own way -but trick or

treat if I said one word at a time was " ti... ah... tee " And today at 14 my son

Tanner was in the car having a conversation with me about search and rescue

dogs, what happens when people are lost in the snow and how to stay warm until

help arrives and how can these dogs help in locating people that are lost. He is

literally non stop talking now- and funny, great student with tons of

friends...normal (above?!!) -and no I don't think of him as having any " special

needs " anymore. Clearly if Tanner still wants to be an attorney for special

needs kids- he can do that or whatever he sets his mind to -no doubt. But early

on -OMG professionals did not give my son a bright prognosis...in fact I even

heard from one doctor down the road " I never said anything but I never thought

Tanner would come as far as he did he was so severe in so many areas " But he

did.

>

> So you say NV isn't working as it is for most. PLEASE give details -how long

-any signs at all? (check this list http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html )

Is your child on fish oils? Any meds? What other supps? Let's see if we can

tweak that to get that going to compliment therapy.

>

> And below a super long archive on how to teach " trick or treat " which I hope

helps -have not read the whole thing -but much in the archives on this and I'm

sure others have more to share!

>

> From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

>

> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:25:09 PM

> Subject: [ ] Re: How do you teach " trick or treat " ?

>

> The following is an archive of fun things to do as well as some

> cute " trick or treat " stories where some do offer suggestions on " how

> do you teach " trick or treat " And thought I'd post it here because

> Sherry one of your messages from Nov 4, 2002 is below when Josh was 4!!!

>

> Happy Halloween!

>

> Here are a few Halloween links with a few cute stories.

>

> Pumpkin Patch Activity

> http://www.starfall.com/n/holiday/halloween/play.htm?f

> Learn to Read Homepage

> http://www.starfall.com/

> Fun to Read

> http://www.starfall.com/n/level-a/index/load.htm?f

>

> LearningPage.Com

> http://www.learningpage.com/free_pages/home/spooky_safe.html

> LearningPage.Com Featured Books:

> Autumn

> http://www.learningpage.com/free_pages/home/autumn_book.html

>

> NASA Halloween Activities

> Spooky sounds

> http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/features/halloween_sounds.html

> " galactic ghoul "

> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_halloween.html

>

> Halloween Speech Therapy

>

http://specialchildren.about.com/b/2006/10/25/site-of-the-day-wednesday-october-\

\

> \

> 25-2006-halloween-speech-therapy-games.htm

>

> Speakingofspeech.com

> A list of clues to introduce Halloween

> vocabulary (related to PRINT 'N PLAY GAMES Halloween Bingo) and much

> more!

> http://www.speakingofspeech.com/Thematic_Materials.html#Halloween

>

> Pick a Pumpkin Activity!

> http://www.education-world.com/a_lesson/lesson/lesson323.shtml

> Halloween Carols

> http://www.night.net/halloween/halloween-carols.html-ssi

>

> The Teacher's Corner

> Halloween Activities and Lesson Plans

> http://www.theteacherscorner.net/seasonal/halloween/

>

> Ben & Jerry Halloween fun

> http://www.benjerry.com/halloween/games/

>

> Hershey Halloween fun

> http://www.hersheys.com/trickortreats/funstuff/

>

> Kaboose Halloween games

> http://holidays.kaboose.com/halloween/halloween-games.html

>

> School Express Fun time Activities

> http://www.schoolexpress.com/funtime/index.php

> http://www.schoolexpress.com/funtime/girl_doll/index.php

> http://www.schoolexpress.com/funtime/boy_doll/index.php

> http://www.schoolexpress.com/funtime/mr_potato/index.php

>

> From: " Toni Wells " <mommybizz@>

> Date: Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:12 pm

> Subject: RE: [childrensapraxiane t] Tips for a nonverbal 'Trick or

> Treater'.... .

>

> What we did on Saturday with Hope was went with a bunch of friends

> and they

> said trick or treat. On a couple of houses where they were grouped

> together

> and Hope got separated from them I was right with her and I'd prompt

> her to

> say it and hope she repeated it. She didnt, but the people didnt

> care. She

> hadn't quite figured out to just hold the bag open for candy either.

> She

> had it bunched up so it was closed in one hand, and took whatever it

> was in

> her other hand. I'd have to remind her to put it in the bag. All

> people

> saw was a little kid trick or treating and just starting to get the

> hang of

> it. They didnt care she didnt talk. A couple of time she did answer

> people

> when they asked her who she was dressed as, and I had to translate

> for her

> since it came out as " da-ra " . But a lot of the people understood she

> was

> saying Dora and that was great. Mostly she didnt say anything, just

> stood

> there with her bag and smiled.

>

> Toni

>

> Re: Tips for a nonverbal 'Trick or Treater'.... .

> " cagey92 " <see.run@

>

> Tracey,

> Last year was the first year really went trick-or-treating.

> We went with our neighbors so it was a 4 year old, at

> 3yrs,3mos, a ten month old and an 11 month old (all pulled in

> wagons). Each adult would hold a baby and the two older boys would

> race for the doorbell, but once the door was opened, they were both

> too shy to say anything so the adults said " Trick or Treat " and then

> the 4 y.o. said a very soft thank you and did a sign language

> thank you. No explanations necessary except maybe a quick shrug and

> a " he's still new at this - maybe next year. " They only lasted for

> 5 houses, but had fun and no one reacted with anything but remarks

> about how cute they were.

>

> Most people realize that young children can be very shy

> (communication disorder or not), especially when in awe of the

> process of Halloween. If you run into anyone with rude comments,

> you'll know which houses to avoid next year. Or which ones to TP -

> just kidding! <wink> Hope you have a great time!

>

> G. (mom to , 4.3 yo)

>

> From: " jacksonsmom12000 " <kim.gill@>

> Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:41 pm

> Subject: Happy Halloween!

>

> I have been debating sending out this message, but I have had 2

> really great " improvements " with 's speech lately, that I had

> to share with others.

>

> First, I believe halloween can be great " free " speech therapy. I

> was SO nervous as to how would approach halloween this year.

> He did great last year, but now that I understand his apraxia and

> sensory issues...I thought that he would find this event tough to

> take.

>

> On the contrary! loved going door to door on Sunday (in our

> town, we do trick-treating on the sunday before halloween during

> 1:00-

> 4:00). He said " tick o teat " to the neighbors, which we practiced at

> length and my daycare provider gets credit for this...and then " a-

> you " for thank you when he got his candy. He never said any of this

> before. Not ONE person noticed a speech delay or that there was any

> issue with him! This also helped him to work with his " shyness " of

> strangers... and then he loved to pass out the candy to others at our

> house. He said " hi " and " bye " when passing out the candy. And, he

> responded to people asking what he was going to be for halloween,

> which was " bob " (the builder) which said very clearly. I am

> more excited over the fact that he just responded so naturally!

>

> Then, last night...he wanted some of the millions of candy we now

> have in our house. could say " candy " before any other word,

> so that was very intelligable, but last night, he said/signed, " I

> want candy " !

>

> OK, this is our first official phrase! I don't know if I am making

> too much out of this...or if it is the beginning of good things to

> come and more talking. My fingers are crossed!

>

> That's all for now, and for all of you who will be trick-treating

> tomorrow, have fun!

>

> Kim

>

> From: kdr <kdr@>

> Date: Fri Nov 1, 2002 6:59 pm

> Subject: RE: Happy halloween Story

>

> Hi everyone -

> I havn't written in a while but I wanted to share a happy story with

> you.

>

> On Halloween last year, my son couldn't say trick-or-treat

> and just

> kind of stood there with his bag open while his brother said trick-

> or-treat

> for the two of them. Yesterday, he was the first one yelling out

> trick-or-treat as soon as the doors started to open. One person gave

> him a

> Tootsie-Pop and he took it and then told her really enthusiastically

> " Thanks! this is just what I was hoping I would get. " What else was

> heartwarming to see was that every person he spoke to that day, all

> total

> strangers, understood him. He was finally just like every other kid.

> It

> was amazing to watch and made me pause to think about just how far

> he has

> come. His biggest issue right now is probably word retrieval but

> even that

> is going very well. Fortunately he has developed ways to work around

> it.

> For instance, if he can't remember the word " chocolate chip cookie "

> he'll

> say " Mommy, can I have the round things that you gave me in a bowl

> for snack

> yesterday? "

>

> I'm so thrilled with his progress. Holidays are especially amazing

> for me

> because it's a specific time that I can remember from the year

> before how he

> was. I thought I'd share for all those mom's who's children couldn't

> say

> trick-or-treat this year, there's a good chance next year will be a

> different story.

>

> in NJ

> kdr@

>

> Re: [childrensapraxiane t] Re: Happy halloween Story

>

> since we are sharing halloween stories...

> a funny one for this year. my son (3) could care less about candy and

> didn't

> want to hold his pumpkin, which was o.k. but he did run up to the

> houses and

> knock or ring the bell. since he's not verbal, he didn't say

> anything, but

> every house he wanted to go in. and muscled his way into a neighbor

> house

> right past her and down the hall. so i had to run in for him. it's a

> good

> thing i know her well. so after being embarrassed, i finally was

> laughing.

> because what do you do when you knock on the door, you go in!!! i

> guess he

> thought we were going for playdates. he didn't understand the concept

> of

> halloween, but what a long way we have come from last year where he

> wouldn't

> get out of the stroller and wouldn't go to any houses. next year

> hopefully

> we'll have a " trick or treat " from him.

> lori

> boomr3@

>

> Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:42 pm

> " kiddietalk " kiddietalk (DOT) com

>

> Tanner when he was around 3 and a half with a complete stranger who

> happened to be another three year old. We were trick or treating

> and we were going from house to house where I would model each word

> and Tanner (alias purple Telly Tubby at the time) would attempt to

> repeat " trick " = " ti " " or " = " ah " " treat " = " teet " At most houses the

> adults would smile and hand Tanner the candy. Then one house a

> child answered the door and asked us " Why can't he talk? " and I said

> in

> as bubbly a voice as I could (while horrified inside) " Oh -he's

> learning to talk still and he's doing great " The catch phrase I

> highly recommend that works for almost any situation... well except

> this one. The child then asked (again as clear as a bell) " How old

> is he? " and I answered still smiling (but now wondering where

> this child's mother was!!) " He's 'only' three " and

> quickly the child said " Well I'm three and I can talk " so I quickly

> said " Well you are obviously very advanced for you age aren't you! "

> Thankfully the mother then came to the door to shoo her son away just

> when the

> child started to inform us about all the other three year olds in his

> preschool...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lol. My son, at 3 & 4 would ring the doorbell and then walk Inside the neighbors'

house looking for candy. It was slow progress from house to house bc

lying/laying?on the sidewalk and playing w flashlights was entertaining. He is

getting more efficient each year.

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On Oct 11, 2010, at 7:47 PM, " mosense " <mosense@...> wrote:

> My kids are 12, 9 and 5. It wasnt until they were about 3yo that they get the

idea that, if I knock on a door, I get candy? I've never in all the years of

taking mine trick or treating, seen one house that actaully waited for any kid

to say " Trick or Treat " .So the fact that he cant say it, really doesnt matter!

My two who could talk were shy enough that they prob wouldnt have said it anyway

at 3yo! At that age, you could take him to five houses and he'd be very happy

with whatever he gets from the experience!Get a cute costume, go early and have

fun.

>

>

> >

> > My 3 yo son really only has 1-2 words if that. My husband feels since he

can't talk that there is no reason for him to go trick or treating because he

can even mimic the works trick or treat and can't even say thank you.

> >

> > This is becoming a recurring theme-most family members want to just ignore

Joe because he can't talk. Most say-i don't know what to get him for Christmas

since he can't tell us.

> >

> > I don't know what is in Joe's head. We haven't ever even heard his little

voice. I don't know if he realizes what is going on.

> >

> > I just cried all last night. He is making progress (he at least is trying to

say words). Unfortunatly, the NV hasn't worked miracles for him like some of

your likes.

> >

> > Any advice? For any of you with older kids, what do they say about when they

couldn't talk-did they understand what was going on?

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son is going to be 4 in January. His vocabulary is increasing since he's been

on NV. We have seen a lot of progress in many other areas as well. But before

NV, we could tell that he was catching what was being said around him..

sometimes he'd cover his face when he knew we were talking about him because he

was embarrassed, stuff like that would give it away. I personally feel it is a

shame that simply because your son can't speak, he would be denied a fun outing

with the family. That is just sad. My heart breaks for children who are just

moved to the side and ignored for no other reason than they're different. As a

mom, I feel for you. I would just take him somewhere like a mall who is giving

away candy (where you know it's safe and there won't be too scary costumes

around) and you say trick or treat and thank you for him. I think that would be

fun for him. Sometimes, we as parents just have to speak FOR our children when

they can't.

I have seen in my inbox A LOT of responses to your question... I didn't have the

time to read them all so, I don't know if or someone else has already asked

you the questions I would like to ask, so if I am making you repeat things, I'm

sorry. How long has your son been on NV? How much of it is he taking per day? Is

it consistent (meaning, do you MAKE SURE it is all getting into him by the end

of the day)? Is he well hydrated? Is he on any medications? Is he receiving

speech therapy?

I would have a heart to heart with your husband and let him know, that things

might be " getting in " and your son could be hearing and understanding everything

that is being said about him and over time could give him a serious complex. I

would ask him to please refrain from speaking about his disabilities and what

" he can't do " while he is there around to hear. Words can hurt... even if you

can't say it does with your mouth.

I say, forget those that just don't understand, go out with your son and have as

much fun as possible!!! I pray you will hear his precious voice soon! I know

he's dying to share with you!

Sincerely,

Romesa

The NV Sheriff

334-220-8140

romesa1@...

From: oneplaceforspecialneeds@...

Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:15:50 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: how to handle halloween? holidays?

Sometimes, it's hard for parents during holidays because they see what all the

" typical " kids are doing and are reminded of what their own child can't do. Your

husband might feel depressed and this is his way to avoid the holiday.

But just because a child is deaf, or blind or can't talk, doesn't mean he should

miss out on all the fun that other kids have. Take him out and have a good time.

Here are some links on learning how to trick or treat: http://bit.ly/akpDZB

Because he is 3, make sure you are aware of Halloween anxieties about scary

costumes. This is common for preschoolers who have trouble distinguishing

fantasy from reality. If that might be an issue you might want to stick to park

district Halloween activities or other daytime holiday events.

>

> My 3 yo son really only has 1-2 words if that. My husband feels since he can't

talk that there is no reason for him to go trick or treating because he can even

mimic the works trick or treat and can't even say thank you.

>

> This is becoming a recurring theme-most family members want to just ignore Joe

because he can't talk. Most say-i don't know what to get him for Christmas since

he can't tell us.

>

> I don't know what is in Joe's head. We haven't ever even heard his little

voice. I don't know if he realizes what is going on.

>

> I just cried all last night. He is making progress (he at least is trying to

say words). Unfortunatly, the NV hasn't worked miracles for him like some of

your likes.

>

> Any advice? For any of you with older kids, what do they say about when they

couldn't talk-did they understand what was going on?

>