High EPA fish oil

[Guest guest]

I have a 4 year old son that is aprox. 9 months behind in his speech. Certain

consanants he doesnt say or say right in words unless prompted usually. I

suspicion it is mild apraxia.

I have did some research and read this story, a mom who used eye q fish oil on

her son, and it he changed dramaticly. The EYE Q fish oil has very high EPA and

low DHA with a bit of GLA. The directions say to Triple the dosage for 12 weeks

then go back to normal dose.

I have some fish oil(Country Life Omega 3 Mood) that is very high in EPA and

low in DHA, and I squirted a lot of capsules out, poked them with a saftey pin

and dumped into a glass jar. Each 1cc+ of the fish oil equals aprox 1 gelcap

which is 500 mg EPA and 75 mg DHA.

The way I understand it, your body can easily make DHA if it needs it from EPA.

And EPA is the most important, more than DHA.

This blog explains the importance of EPA

http://www.fattyacidtrip.com/epa-to-dha-ratio

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-373833/How-fish-oil-unlocked-autistic-\

son.html

So my experiment begins with the high EPA fish oil. If I notice improvments I

will try to update.

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Had to check because I knew you just HAD to be a new member -I had to do a

double take reading your message when you wrote the higher EPA to DHA with a bit

of GLA because that's my mantra now for ....a decade?!!

Here is one page that explains how I learned about this

http://www.cherabfoundation.org/2006/dha-higher-epa-bit-of-gla-and-what-about-ca\

rnosine/

And about our First Apraxia Conference which was centered on just such a formula

of fish oil (ProEFA)

http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html

http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html

The three formulas I've recommended here which have been used with the most

success are ProEFA, EyeQ and Efalex -Efalex for some reason working as well back

when it was still Dr. Stordy's formula because it worked -but think it's

different -for sure it's been sold and made by a different manufacturer -but

didn't work as well as ProEFA or EyeQ. In this group we do raise the EPA even

higher than ProEFA or EyeQ- but using ProEPA on a 2/1 ratio of 2 ProEFA to 1

ProEPA. I may have some of that here

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7401

My newest discovery which is just as exciting if not more so is the NV -PLEASE

check into this- try it- if you have not already. It compliments the essential

fats and contains all the essential amino acids and nutrients- and ties into

much of the research in the news today...but all of that you'll have to wait

years for -this is an all natural whole food approach that is formulated by

world renowned medical doctors -being approved by various doctors all over the

world -and once again I discovered it purely by mistake as it was not created to

help in this group...but works BIG time (and comes with a money back guarantee

if it doesn't work...which by the way would be the worst thing that would

happen! If your child was one of the few that didn't respond!

http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

We are using NV as a fundraiser for PUFA research -who would have known it would

be just as therapeutic...actually appears to be more so in many cases!

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for taking time to reply!

It seems like my son is starting to change already, this is day three

The EPA dosage is aprox 690 mg and DHA 103.5 mg. I have some Evening Primrose

Oil I could add, but I want to try just the high EPA fish oil now.

The reason I am trying this fish oil first (Country Life Omega 3 Mood)is because

it is MUCH MUCH cheaper than Noric Naturals,ProEFA, ect ect.We cant afford too

much $$!! The only issue is that I had to poke the individual capsules into a

glass jar, which seems worth it if money is a big issue and we'll see if they

work I guess!

The changes Ive noticed is that he seems a bit calmer, and he did not come to

my bed last night in the night (slept better?)

I am practicing alphabet sounds with him daily now, and also practicing Correct

Sentences. Like instead of Me want that, I will say I want that, and he repeats

it after me. He seems to be pretty OK with repeating sentences and words that

need corrected most of the time.

Does anyone know of any " Do it yourself speech therapy " programs that I could do

at home with him myself? Scince his speech problem is pretty mild, just a few

consanants that need some work?

>

> Had to check because I knew you just HAD to be a new member -I had to do a

double take reading your message when you wrote the higher EPA to DHA with a bit

of GLA because that's my mantra now for ....a decade?!!

>

> Here is one page that explains how I learned about this

>

http://www.cherabfoundation.org/2006/dha-higher-epa-bit-of-gla-and-what-about-ca\

rnosine/

>

> And about our First Apraxia Conference which was centered on just such a

formula of fish oil (ProEFA)

> http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html

> http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html

>

> The three formulas I've recommended here which have been used with the most

success are ProEFA, EyeQ and Efalex -Efalex for some reason working as well back

when it was still Dr. Stordy's formula because it worked -but think it's

different -for sure it's been sold and made by a different manufacturer -but

didn't work as well as ProEFA or EyeQ. In this group we do raise the EPA even

higher than ProEFA or EyeQ- but using ProEPA on a 2/1 ratio of 2 ProEFA to 1

ProEPA. I may have some of that here

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7401

>

> My newest discovery which is just as exciting if not more so is the NV -PLEASE

check into this- try it- if you have not already. It compliments the essential

fats and contains all the essential amino acids and nutrients- and ties into

much of the research in the news today...but all of that you'll have to wait

years for -this is an all natural whole food approach that is formulated by

world renowned medical doctors -being approved by various doctors all over the

world -and once again I discovered it purely by mistake as it was not created to

help in this group...but works BIG time (and comes with a money back guarantee

if it doesn't work...which by the way would be the worst thing that would

happen! If your child was one of the few that didn't respond!

http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

>

> We are using NV as a fundraiser for PUFA research -who would have known it

would be just as therapeutic...actually appears to be more so in many cases!

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

That's awesome that you are seeing positives already -but keep in mind the best

thing to do is compare one brand to another with fish oil...as with oil therapy

you can tell pretty quick which is a better formula. For example if your child

goes from being more calm, to speaking more, to speaking in sentences, to

improvements in motor planing etc. each area of improvement would be counted and

you want to use the one that has the best results for your child. What I share

here is what has worked for most of us over the years and it's not based on

product name or price -but it is based on quality. All that matters with fish

oils are formula, dosage and quality of the oil -I suspect in some quick

searching that you are compromising both formula and quality -perhaps dosage as

well as what you are using is so off from what most of us use. While higher EPA

is better for almost all here -if you get too high you actually see a decrease

in improvements over the right formula.

Many of us use the capsules vs the oil -please don't presqueeze the capsules

into a jar- I'll get into that below but think the following about the product

you are using is more important as it deals with quality. In fact the capsule

if it's a high quality brand will last years vs. months when the bottle is open.

The problem with most over the counter fish oils is not mercury as mercury binds

to the protein or muscle of the fish and thus not in the oil -the problem is

rancidity -exposure to oxygen (which is logical if you think of fish) and this

is measured by peroxide level. Better brands have third party testing on

purity, and also have levels of peroxide levels. I did not find as you did that

the brand you are using is so much cheaper than ProEFA. 90 capsules of the

brand you are using is around 18 dollars at a 40% discount a bottle from

drugstore.com

http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=223181 & catid=9856 & aid=337953 & apar\

am=country_life_omega_3_moo & CAWELAID=382196786 and ProEFA for the same number of

90 capsules and super high quality is about 2 dollars more a bottle (and has the

GLA which the brand you are using I do not see any primrose or borage seed oil

in it at all) you can find here for example http://www.speech411.com (Nordic

prices are price set so while many sell them full price and they are fully worth

it due to the high quality - all can only sell at the same 15% off at most- you

will not find Nordic prices sold 40% off anywhere and if you did that store

would lose it's distribution rights

What concerns me about the brand you are using is if you search " Country Life "

and FDA they have so many recalls for SERIOUS reasons that I lost count.

Salmonella was one of the reasons and Country Life was one of the brands that

carried lead in their children's vitamins!!!!!!!!

http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/FoodContaminantsAdulteration/Metals/Lead/ucm1\

15941.htm As you'll read here many of the " affordable " vitamins such as

Flintstones are here. Please once again everyone please please look into NV not

just for the surges but like Nordic for the quality and integrity of the product

and who is behind the formulation http://pursuitofresearch.org/advisors.html

According to research that is now well known even small amounts of lead such as

found in these vitamins will lead to decline in a child's IQ scores and this

more recent study -damage to kidneys

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100111161921.htm

No matter how broke we are it's worth searching for products that are tested

" free of heavy metals " and if a food product " free of herbicides and pesticides "

as well and paying a dollar or so more for such a product -you do get what you

pay for.

About the squeezing out into a jar -you are better off due to the rancidity

issue squeezing out the capsules as you need them -and you will want to also buy

some primrose oil (for borage you need to make sure it's from the seed as it is

in the ProEFA or else you can expose yourself to something called PAs) and add

the primrose oil to the formula you have....but I'm 'kind' of thinking you are

now over the 2 bucks you saved with this cheap brand. Not saying only to use

ProEFA, EyeQ etc....but always take the manufacturer name and search for FDA

recall -that's what I do anyway. And please please dig and dig into NV and do

it with the top experts you know in medicine and nutrition because for NV the

more you dig -they more you will understand why it's probably " working " for so

many of us http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

As far as therapy to do at home -I wrote this for our Contemporary Pediatrics

article

http://contemporarypediatrics.modernmedicine.com/contpeds/data/articlestandard//\

contpeds/492004/136315/article.pdf However that is to be done in conjunction

with professional services as needed.

Even more important than fish oil quality is making sure you have the

appropriate services for your child. I don't know what country you are in but

your child should be entitled to services if in the US through early

intervention's state or school program. No offense to you or me or any parent

-but unless you were told by a professional that your child has a simple

developmental delay in speech (and thus does not need speech therapy in almost

all cases in order to talk but perhaps could still qualify for services if

behind enough) we are not qualified to make a diagnosis and decide on our own

with our children's future that their issues are " not that serious " and thus we

can do therapy at home ourselves in place of a professional. We are not talking

about a child having to deal with a horrid bowl haircut until it grows out -we

are speaking of the future for that child academically, socially and

professionally. Or did I miss something? Did a professional evaluate your

child and tell you it's just a simple delay -and if so when and how old is your

child now?

If money is that much of an issue there are programs set up to help children at

risk pretty much all over. Let us know where you are what state or country and

we can perhaps help.

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[Guest guest]

I had my son tested at the local hospital by a Speech Therapist. She said he was

9 months behind and gave me stuff to work on his speech sounds at home. That was

this spring when he was 3.

As far as the fish oil cost, I can get it for 13.50 for 90 gelcaps at

Vitacost.com I already had this fish oil on hand, and that is partly why I

decided to go ahead with it, and Try it, before adding any Primrose oil.

MorEPA is another option also. They have a kids brand. It contains around

400/500 EPA and a very small amount of DHA, plus some other stuff.

I will check into Country Life brand and google it.

Thank you for the warning about squeezing the fish oil out.

>

> That's awesome that you are seeing positives already -but keep in mind the

best thing to do is compare one brand to another with fish oil...as with oil

therapy you can tell pretty quick which is a better formula. For example if

your child goes from being more calm, to speaking more, to speaking in

sentences, to improvements in motor planing etc. each area of improvement would

be counted and you want to use the one that has the best results for your child.

What I share here is what has worked for most of us over the years and it's not

based on product name or price -but it is based on quality. All that matters

with fish oils are formula, dosage and quality of the oil -I suspect in some

quick searching that you are compromising both formula and quality -perhaps

dosage as well as what you are using is so off from what most of us use. While

higher EPA is better for almost all here -if you get too high you actually see a

decrease in improvements over the right formula.

>

> Many of us use the capsules vs the oil -please don't presqueeze the capsules

into a jar- I'll get into that below but think the following about the product

you are using is more important as it deals with quality. In fact the capsule

if it's a high quality brand will last years vs. months when the bottle is open.

The problem with most over the counter fish oils is not mercury as mercury binds

to the protein or muscle of the fish and thus not in the oil -the problem is

rancidity -exposure to oxygen (which is logical if you think of fish) and this

is measured by peroxide level. Better brands have third party testing on

purity, and also have levels of peroxide levels. I did not find as you did that

the brand you are using is so much cheaper than ProEFA. 90 capsules of the

brand you are using is around 18 dollars at a 40% discount a bottle from

drugstore.com

http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=223181 & catid=9856 & aid=337953 & apar\

am=country_life_omega_3_moo & CAWELAID=382196786 and ProEFA for the same number of

90 capsules and super high quality is about 2 dollars more a bottle (and has the

GLA which the brand you are using I do not see any primrose or borage seed oil

in it at all) you can find here for example http://www.speech411.com (Nordic

prices are price set so while many sell them full price and they are fully worth

it due to the high quality - all can only sell at the same 15% off at most- you

will not find Nordic prices sold 40% off anywhere and if you did that store

would lose it's distribution rights

>

> What concerns me about the brand you are using is if you search " Country Life "

and FDA they have so many recalls for SERIOUS reasons that I lost count.

Salmonella was one of the reasons and Country Life was one of the brands that

carried lead in their children's vitamins!!!!!!!!

http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/FoodContaminantsAdulteration/Metals/Lead/ucm1\

15941.htm As you'll read here many of the " affordable " vitamins such as

Flintstones are here. Please once again everyone please please look into NV not

just for the surges but like Nordic for the quality and integrity of the product

and who is behind the formulation http://pursuitofresearch.org/advisors.html

>

> According to research that is now well known even small amounts of lead such

as found in these vitamins will lead to decline in a child's IQ scores and this

more recent study -damage to kidneys

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100111161921.htm

>

> No matter how broke we are it's worth searching for products that are tested

" free of heavy metals " and if a food product " free of herbicides and pesticides "

as well and paying a dollar or so more for such a product -you do get what you

pay for.

>

> About the squeezing out into a jar -you are better off due to the rancidity

issue squeezing out the capsules as you need them -and you will want to also buy

some primrose oil (for borage you need to make sure it's from the seed as it is

in the ProEFA or else you can expose yourself to something called PAs) and add

the primrose oil to the formula you have....but I'm 'kind' of thinking you are

now over the 2 bucks you saved with this cheap brand. Not saying only to use

ProEFA, EyeQ etc....but always take the manufacturer name and search for FDA

recall -that's what I do anyway. And please please dig and dig into NV and do

it with the top experts you know in medicine and nutrition because for NV the

more you dig -they more you will understand why it's probably " working " for so

many of us http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

>

> As far as therapy to do at home -I wrote this for our Contemporary Pediatrics

article

http://contemporarypediatrics.modernmedicine.com/contpeds/data/articlestandard//\

contpeds/492004/136315/article.pdf However that is to be done in conjunction

with professional services as needed.

>

> Even more important than fish oil quality is making sure you have the

appropriate services for your child. I don't know what country you are in but

your child should be entitled to services if in the US through early

intervention's state or school program. No offense to you or me or any parent

-but unless you were told by a professional that your child has a simple

developmental delay in speech (and thus does not need speech therapy in almost

all cases in order to talk but perhaps could still qualify for services if

behind enough) we are not qualified to make a diagnosis and decide on our own

with our children's future that their issues are " not that serious " and thus we

can do therapy at home ourselves in place of a professional. We are not talking

about a child having to deal with a horrid bowl haircut until it grows out -we

are speaking of the future for that child academically, socially and

professionally. Or did I miss something? Did a professional evaluate your

child and tell you it's just a simple delay -and if so when and how old is your

child now?

>

> If money is that much of an issue there are programs set up to help children

at risk pretty much all over. Let us know where you are what state or country

and we can perhaps help.

>

> =====

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