Re: Help with enforcing IEP ~ Speech Therapist denying problem

[Guest guest]

I've had similar problems and my advice is to contact an ombudsman. They can

help you stand up for your rights and your daughters.

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From: hypnotist_collectr <hypnotist_collectr@...>

Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 11:41:02 AM

Subject: [ ] Help with enforcing IEP ~ Speech Therapist

denying problem

Hi,

My daughter is almost 10, and has been held back a year because she is doing so

poorly in school. Her speech is affecting everything having to do with

grammar... She has major issues with pronoun reversals, and at times, it is

still pretty hard for me to understand her.

The problem is, we moved to a different school, as we thought it was better for

her. It has been great. The only complaint I have is her therapist. [We were

spoiled by her last ST].

School began August 16th, and she only met her at the end of September, when I

repeatedly asked the school where this woman was. I asked for her to call me, so

we could speak about goals, and how I can reinforce them at home. She never

called.

My daughter's IEP states that she needs 1 hour a week of ST. She has had this

since Kindergarten. This new ST says she is only available for half an hour, and

will not see her more.

She did not show up to the IEP meeting, where everyone present agreed she needed

more therapy. She FINALLY called me this morning because everyone present @ the

IEP meeting told her to. I hung up shaking, I was so mad.

She kept repeating how " odd " my daughter's speech was, and said, " MOST kids, by

her age, have figured out that the way she speaks is TOTALLY unacceptable. I am

not sure why she is perpetuating her speech patterns. "

I reminded her that she has an auditory processing disorder, and this is why I

wanted an hour vs. half an hour. She was very condescending and told me my

child no longer has a speech problem, that she " only has major difficulty with

all of her vowel sounds and her R sounds and that she consistently reverses her

pronouns. " [This translates to no speech problem? Honestly?]

She then told me that my child's issues " usually resolve by Kindergarten, or at

the VERY latest first grade. " She is in 3rd, supposed to be in 4th. She went on

to say that nobody else talks the way that she does, and it is like she is

speaking her own language on purpose, and that she is a very odd child.

She has met her 5 times, total, for half an hour each time. We go through a

charter school, and homeschool 3 days a week, while she is at school 2 days a

week. They are pulling her out of art, which is the one thing she is good at, to

do her therapy sessions. I specifically asked them not to pull her out during

art. I volunteered to drive her to whatever school the ST was working at,

whenever she wanted to on my child's @ home school days. Everyone at the IEP

meeting thought this was a great idea. My other ST did that for us... It's not

like it is unheard of.

Her previous year's IEP (from K-3rd] have all had 1 hour. This lady is deeming

her okay for half an hour a week. I disagreed with that, and noted it on the IEP

paper I signed.

I'm not sure about CA law. We have insurance that will pay for ST @ $35 a visit.

Is it legal for me to request that she go to a private therapist, and they

reimburse/help with my copay, rather than work with someone who thinks my kid is

fine? I am not sure how to ask for that... but, it seems like a reasonable

offer.

I have also thought about asking them if they can contract out to our old ST,

instead of this lady who is being negative about my child, and denying she has a

problem.

I just know that this woman is not listening to anything I have asked of her.

She comes across like she thinks my kid is making her speech problem up... Why

would she do that? Her speech (mispronunciations of vowel sounds/pronoun

mix-ups} is really messing up her writing and spelling... How do they think a

half an hour session a week, with no instruction to me for follow up is going to

help my kid?

I just need help on the legalities of the IEP & how to best fight for what my

child deserves.

Thanks,

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

That is aweful! There is a disabilities handbook we get every year with

our daughter's Bill of Rights as a student with disabilities.

Do you have one of those?

[ ] Help with enforcing IEP ~ Speech

Therapist denying problem

Hi,

My daughter is almost 10, and has been held back a year because

she is doing so poorly in school. Her speech is affecting everything

having to do with grammar... She has major issues with pronoun

reversals, and at times, it is still pretty hard for me to understand

her.

The problem is, we moved to a different school, as we thought it

was better for her. It has been great. The only complaint I have is her

therapist. [We were spoiled by her last ST].

School began August 16th, and she only met her at the end of

September, when I repeatedly asked the school where this woman was. I

asked for her to call me, so we could speak about goals, and how I can

reinforce them at home. She never called.

My daughter's IEP states that she needs 1 hour a week of ST. She

has had this since Kindergarten. This new ST says she is only available

for half an hour, and will not see her more.

She did not show up to the IEP meeting, where everyone present

agreed she needed more therapy. She FINALLY called me this morning

because everyone present @ the IEP meeting told her to. I hung up

shaking, I was so mad.

She kept repeating how " odd " my daughter's speech was, and said,

" MOST kids, by her age, have figured out that the way she speaks is

TOTALLY unacceptable. I am not sure why she is perpetuating her speech

patterns. "

I reminded her that she has an auditory processing disorder, and

this is why I wanted an hour vs. half an hour. She was very

condescending and told me my child no longer has a speech problem, that

she " only has major difficulty with all of her vowel sounds and her R

sounds and that she consistently reverses her pronouns. " [This

translates to no speech problem? Honestly?]

She then told me that my child's issues " usually resolve by

Kindergarten, or at the VERY latest first grade. " She is in 3rd,

supposed to be in 4th. She went on to say that nobody else talks the way

that she does, and it is like she is speaking her own language on

purpose, and that she is a very odd child.

She has met her 5 times, total, for half an hour each time. We

go through a charter school, and homeschool 3 days a week, while she is

at school 2 days a week. They are pulling her out of art, which is the

one thing she is good at, to do her therapy sessions. I specifically

asked them not to pull her out during art. I volunteered to drive her to

whatever school the ST was working at, whenever she wanted to on my

child's @ home school days. Everyone at the IEP meeting thought this was

a great idea. My other ST did that for us... It's not like it is unheard

of.

Her previous year's IEP (from K-3rd] have all had 1 hour. This

lady is deeming her okay for half an hour a week. I disagreed with that,

and noted it on the IEP paper I signed.

I'm not sure about CA law. We have insurance that will pay for

ST @ $35 a visit. Is it legal for me to request that she go to a private

therapist, and they reimburse/help with my copay, rather than work with

someone who thinks my kid is fine? I am not sure how to ask for that...

but, it seems like a reasonable offer.

I have also thought about asking them if they can contract out

to our old ST, instead of this lady who is being negative about my

child, and denying she has a problem.

I just know that this woman is not listening to anything I have

asked of her. She comes across like she thinks my kid is making her

speech problem up... Why would she do that? Her speech

(mispronunciations of vowel sounds/pronoun mix-ups} is really messing up

her writing and spelling... How do they think a half an hour session a

week, with no instruction to me for follow up is going to help my kid?

I just need help on the legalities of the IEP & how to best

fight for what my child deserves.

Thanks,

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

See this

http://disabilityrightsca.org/pubs/504801.htm

[ ] Help with enforcing IEP ~ Speech

Therapist denying problem

Hi,

My daughter is almost 10, and has been held back a year because

she is doing so poorly in school. Her speech is affecting everything

having to do with grammar... She has major issues with pronoun

reversals, and at times, it is still pretty hard for me to understand

her.

The problem is, we moved to a different school, as we thought it

was better for her. It has been great. The only complaint I have is her

therapist. [We were spoiled by her last ST].

School began August 16th, and she only met her at the end of

September, when I repeatedly asked the school where this woman was. I

asked for her to call me, so we could speak about goals, and how I can

reinforce them at home. She never called.

My daughter's IEP states that she needs 1 hour a week of ST. She

has had this since Kindergarten. This new ST says she is only available

for half an hour, and will not see her more.

She did not show up to the IEP meeting, where everyone present

agreed she needed more therapy. She FINALLY called me this morning

because everyone present @ the IEP meeting told her to. I hung up

shaking, I was so mad.

She kept repeating how " odd " my daughter's speech was, and said,

" MOST kids, by her age, have figured out that the way she speaks is

TOTALLY unacceptable. I am not sure why she is perpetuating her speech

patterns. "

I reminded her that she has an auditory processing disorder, and

this is why I wanted an hour vs. half an hour. She was very

condescending and told me my child no longer has a speech problem, that

she " only has major difficulty with all of her vowel sounds and her R

sounds and that she consistently reverses her pronouns. " [This

translates to no speech problem? Honestly?]

She then told me that my child's issues " usually resolve by

Kindergarten, or at the VERY latest first grade. " She is in 3rd,

supposed to be in 4th. She went on to say that nobody else talks the way

that she does, and it is like she is speaking her own language on

purpose, and that she is a very odd child.

She has met her 5 times, total, for half an hour each time. We

go through a charter school, and homeschool 3 days a week, while she is

at school 2 days a week. They are pulling her out of art, which is the

one thing she is good at, to do her therapy sessions. I specifically

asked them not to pull her out during art. I volunteered to drive her to

whatever school the ST was working at, whenever she wanted to on my

child's @ home school days. Everyone at the IEP meeting thought this was

a great idea. My other ST did that for us... It's not like it is unheard

of.

Her previous year's IEP (from K-3rd] have all had 1 hour. This

lady is deeming her okay for half an hour a week. I disagreed with that,

and noted it on the IEP paper I signed.

I'm not sure about CA law. We have insurance that will pay for

ST @ $35 a visit. Is it legal for me to request that she go to a private

therapist, and they reimburse/help with my copay, rather than work with

someone who thinks my kid is fine? I am not sure how to ask for that...

but, it seems like a reasonable offer.

I have also thought about asking them if they can contract out

to our old ST, instead of this lady who is being negative about my

child, and denying she has a problem.

I just know that this woman is not listening to anything I have

asked of her. She comes across like she thinks my kid is making her

speech problem up... Why would she do that? Her speech

(mispronunciations of vowel sounds/pronoun mix-ups} is really messing up

her writing and spelling... How do they think a half an hour session a

week, with no instruction to me for follow up is going to help my kid?

I just need help on the legalities of the IEP & how to best

fight for what my child deserves.

Thanks,

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

HI Aubrey,

I am an SLP in private practice in MD so I am not sure what the CA special

ed laws are in relation to IEPs for homeschooled kids. According to most

states, if a child has an IEP, then services are to be provided according to

the # of hours listed in the IEP NOT according to what the SLP wants to do.

That is ridiculous! You may want to check www.wrightslaw.com for more info.

In relation to your dtr's speech issues, based on your description, it

sounds like she has some jaw stability difficulties. When there are vowel

distortions, it is related to the jaw stability, control/grading,

coordination, and dissociation (separation of movement). So, she needs an

SLP who is well trained in Talk Tools oral placement exercises and PROMPT.

My SLPs are but I know we are not in the same state. You can check

www.aappspa.org for a list of private practice SLPs in your area.

Who pays for this SLP's services? The charter school, you, or the state?

If not you, then I would think that she would have to abide by the IEP.

The amount of her time (w/o knowing her) seems low.esp if she has speech

intelligibility issues and aud processing difficulties.

Warmest wishes,

Barbara

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Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:41 PM

Subject: [ ] Help with enforcing IEP ~ Speech Therapist

denying problem

Hi,

My daughter is almost 10, and has been held back a year because she is doing

so poorly in school. Her speech is affecting everything having to do with

grammar... She has major issues with pronoun reversals, and at times, it is

still pretty hard for me to understand her.

The problem is, we moved to a different school, as we thought it was better

for her. It has been great. The only complaint I have is her therapist. [We

were spoiled by her last ST].

School began August 16th, and she only met her at the end of September, when

I repeatedly asked the school where this woman was. I asked for her to call

me, so we could speak about goals, and how I can reinforce them at home. She

never called.

My daughter's IEP states that she needs 1 hour a week of ST. She has had

this since Kindergarten. This new ST says she is only available for half an

hour, and will not see her more.

She did not show up to the IEP meeting, where everyone present agreed she

needed more therapy. She FINALLY called me this morning because everyone

present @ the IEP meeting told her to. I hung up shaking, I was so mad.

She kept repeating how " odd " my daughter's speech was, and said, " MOST kids,

by her age, have figured out that the way she speaks is TOTALLY

unacceptable. I am not sure why she is perpetuating her speech patterns. "

I reminded her that she has an auditory processing disorder, and this is why

I wanted an hour vs. half an hour. She was very condescending and told me my

child no longer has a speech problem, that she " only has major difficulty

with all of her vowel sounds and her R sounds and that she consistently

reverses her pronouns. " [This translates to no speech problem? Honestly?]

She then told me that my child's issues " usually resolve by Kindergarten, or

at the VERY latest first grade. " She is in 3rd, supposed to be in 4th. She

went on to say that nobody else talks the way that she does, and it is like

she is speaking her own language on purpose, and that she is a very odd

child.

She has met her 5 times, total, for half an hour each time. We go through a

charter school, and homeschool 3 days a week, while she is at school 2 days

a week. They are pulling her out of art, which is the one thing she is good

at, to do her therapy sessions. I specifically asked them not to pull her

out during art. I volunteered to drive her to whatever school the ST was

working at, whenever she wanted to on my child's @ home school days.

Everyone at the IEP meeting thought this was a great idea. My other ST did

that for us... It's not like it is unheard of.

Her previous year's IEP (from K-3rd] have all had 1 hour. This lady is

deeming her okay for half an hour a week. I disagreed with that, and noted

it on the IEP paper I signed.

I'm not sure about CA law. We have insurance that will pay for ST @ $35 a

visit. Is it legal for me to request that she go to a private therapist, and

they reimburse/help with my copay, rather than work with someone who thinks

my kid is fine? I am not sure how to ask for that... but, it seems like a

reasonable offer.

I have also thought about asking them if they can contract out to our old

ST, instead of this lady who is being negative about my child, and denying

she has a problem.

I just know that this woman is not listening to anything I have asked of

her. She comes across like she thinks my kid is making her speech problem

up... Why would she do that? Her speech (mispronunciations of vowel

sounds/pronoun mix-ups} is really messing up her writing and spelling... How

do they think a half an hour session a week, with no instruction to me for

follow up is going to help my kid?

I just need help on the legalities of the IEP & how to best fight for what

my child deserves.

Thanks,

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

There is a group called IEP guide, and people there would give you answers

to your questions. My thought is that if the IEP states 1 hour of therapy, then

the school is in violation by providing only 1/2 hour. It doesn't matter what

the SLP thinks, if its on the IEP, the school must provide it. This lady sounds

like she doesn't have a clue.

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From: hypnotist_collectr <hypnotist_collectr@...>

Subject: [ ] Help with enforcing IEP ~ Speech Therapist

denying problem

Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 2:41 PM

 

Hi,

My daughter is almost 10, and has been held back a year because she is doing so

poorly in school. Her speech is affecting everything having to do with

grammar... She has major issues with pronoun reversals, and at times, it is

still pretty hard for me to understand her.

The problem is, we moved to a different school, as we thought it was better for

her. It has been great. The only complaint I have is her therapist. [We were

spoiled by her last ST].

School began August 16th, and she only met her at the end of September, when I

repeatedly asked the school where this woman was. I asked for her to call me, so

we could speak about goals, and how I can reinforce them at home. She never

called.

My daughter's IEP states that she needs 1 hour a week of ST. She has had this

since Kindergarten. This new ST says she is only available for half an hour, and

will not see her more.

She did not show up to the IEP meeting, where everyone present agreed she needed

more therapy. She FINALLY called me this morning because everyone present @ the

IEP meeting told her to. I hung up shaking, I was so mad.

She kept repeating how " odd " my daughter's speech was, and said, " MOST kids, by

her age, have figured out that the way she speaks is TOTALLY unacceptable. I am

not sure why she is perpetuating her speech patterns. "

I reminded her that she has an auditory processing disorder, and this is why I

wanted an hour vs. half an hour. She was very condescending and told me my

child no longer has a speech problem, that she " only has major difficulty with

all of her vowel sounds and her R sounds and that she consistently reverses her

pronouns. " [This translates to no speech problem? Honestly?]

She then told me that my child's issues " usually resolve by Kindergarten, or at

the VERY latest first grade. " She is in 3rd, supposed to be in 4th. She went on

to say that nobody else talks the way that she does, and it is like she is

speaking her own language on purpose, and that she is a very odd child.

She has met her 5 times, total, for half an hour each time. We go through a

charter school, and homeschool 3 days a week, while she is at school 2 days a

week. They are pulling her out of art, which is the one thing she is good at, to

do her therapy sessions. I specifically asked them not to pull her out during

art. I volunteered to drive her to whatever school the ST was working at,

whenever she wanted to on my child's @ home school days. Everyone at the IEP

meeting thought this was a great idea. My other ST did that for us... It's not

like it is unheard of.

Her previous year's IEP (from K-3rd] have all had 1 hour. This lady is deeming

her okay for half an hour a week. I disagreed with that, and noted it on the IEP

paper I signed.

I'm not sure about CA law. We have insurance that will pay for ST @ $35 a visit.

Is it legal for me to request that she go to a private therapist, and they

reimburse/help with my copay, rather than work with someone who thinks my kid is

fine? I am not sure how to ask for that... but, it seems like a reasonable

offer.

I have also thought about asking them if they can contract out to our old ST,

instead of this lady who is being negative about my child, and denying she has a

problem.

I just know that this woman is not listening to anything I have asked of her.

She comes across like she thinks my kid is making her speech problem up... Why

would she do that? Her speech (mispronunciations of vowel sounds/pronoun

mix-ups} is really messing up her writing and spelling... How do they think a

half an hour session a week, with no instruction to me for follow up is going to

help my kid?

I just need help on the legalities of the IEP & how to best fight for what my

child deserves.

Thanks,

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Aubrey I would not let this " SLP " near my child with a ten foot pole! What you

should do in my opinion is take what you wrote here and document it with dates;

who you spoke with etc. and send it to the everyone in your school district

including the superintendent, and to complain about this SLP I'd include ASHA

(American Speech Hearing Association) and why not President Obama as I know

educational reform is in the public thus politician eye....And...most important

and I will help you if you want -this needs to be filed as a Federal complaint

of discrimination against your child's civil rights through the US Department of

Education Office of Civil Rights. You can also take this to the media which

today is quick to pick up on stories such as this as they go viral quickly. I

mean an SLP verbally mocking a ten year old to the parent calling her " odd " and

refusing to execute the IEP which is a legal binding contract?!! But I would

again not want this woman near me or my child anyway.

A verbal disability is protected from discrimination under the Office of Civil

Rights. I have a few members of this group I have worked with on this and as

soon as a school district has wind this is coming they will offer you everything

- the sun the moon and an hour a week of therapy...but do you really want your

daughter to be with this (IMO) monster for an hour a week?!! Someone who calls

your child odd? You should never have to defend your child's verbal disability

to anyone- no less a paid school professional who works in speech therapy!!

If you need my help in this as I have a contact on the Federal level I've worked

with to help others email me at lisa@... or call me 772 335 5135

If you just want to write the letter yourself to start that is fine too. You

need to start a paper trail if you don't have one -and put everything in

writing. In the letter to the school- keep emotion out of it, and put in what

this school professional said to you about your " verbal disabled " (use those

words for the Office of Civil Rights...some there are still not used to seeing

that as they are used to hearing or visual impaired etc) And if this SLP said

what she did in front of the IEP team -put everyone's names in there and what

they said -how they reacted. Document, document, document. All you need is

the truth. Do not speak to anyone from that school going ahead unless you have

a tape recorder or it's in writing.

What you wrote is so beyond horrific and mean that my heart goes our to you and

your daughter. At least you have many of us that will be able to help you.

Typically I would call up our VP Cheryl

http://latetalker.org/about/cheryl.html

http://www.cherabfoundation.org/about/advisoryboard/cheryl-bennett-johnson-m-a-s\

lseducational-consultant/who isn't online much but she is an award winning

speech therapist and special education educator from NJ and she would provide

bit by bit of what to do to enforce the IEP- but to me...this is beyond that.

Just as I wrote to another parent earlier today -you want a different

professional working with your child -and your situation is much more dire as I

personally find her remarks to me to be insulting and abusive. How DARE she

speak about a child this way?

And not to go off topic of complying or not complying with the IEP...if your

child is 10 years old and still essentially nonverbal to the unfamiliar listener

-than she has not been receiving appropriate therapy and perhaps placement

either. 2 days a week for a child that severe in itself clearly is not enough

ST- (have you seen the ST matrix

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/therapymatrix.html )

Just because there is an IEP and just because everyone follows it doesn't mean

it's appropriate for your child. This is why you need outside professionals if

possible to oversee progress and help set short and long term goals. As I've

written many times if there is no progress in 6 months therapy, therapist and/or

even diagnosis needs to be reevaluated.

Now...let me ask you a question. You know how this woman spoke about your

child....she gets wind from the US Office of Civil Rights that she's under fire

for violating your child's civil rights and apologizes and offers to see your

child 4 times a week....do you accept that?!!! (answer to me -no. No matter

what I would NOT let this woman near your child and it's again my opinion she

should not be working with children or the public in general -she needs

complaints filed against her -and perhaps the school for hiring and keeping her

in light of her verbal abuse to special needs students)

And one last thing ...do NOT use NV until this is straightened out -you'll have

a much better case if she stays as impaired as she is -but otherwise I'd SO

highly recommend you start her on NV ASAP as it has had amazing effects on not

just speech and language but many areas including academic surges

http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html and fish oils too if you have not

started them yet based on what we've seen in this group.

Don't worry -you'll get through this too. There's always light at the end of

the tunnel- there's always hope.

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[Guest guest]

What ever is written on the IEP is what needs to be provided by the school. If

the school is not providing hours of service that are listed they are required

to make them up. Are you hours listed weekly or yearly? This is a huge

violation! And this goes for any IEP hours of services not just speech. If a

staff member is not available to provide enough coverage then I would be

marching my way up the chain of command. Again and IEP is written to protect

the child and in order for them to have a clear definition of their service

hours!!!!

Call the team leader of your school for special Ed. If they are not helpful go

to their boss.

Alyssa

On Nov 4, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Stier <dstier2001@...> wrote:

> There is a group called IEP guide, and people there would give you

answers to your questions. My thought is that if the IEP states 1 hour of

therapy, then the school is in violation by providing only 1/2 hour. It doesn't

matter what the SLP thinks, if its on the IEP, the school must provide it. This

lady sounds like she doesn't have a clue.

>

>

>

>

>

> From: hypnotist_collectr <hypnotist_collectr@...>

> Subject: [ ] Help with enforcing IEP ~ Speech Therapist

denying problem

>

> Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 2:41 PM

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> My daughter is almost 10, and has been held back a year because she is doing

so poorly in school. Her speech is affecting everything having to do with

grammar... She has major issues with pronoun reversals, and at times, it is

still pretty hard for me to understand her.

>

> The problem is, we moved to a different school, as we thought it was better

for her. It has been great. The only complaint I have is her therapist. [We were

spoiled by her last ST].

>

> School began August 16th, and she only met her at the end of September, when I

repeatedly asked the school where this woman was. I asked for her to call me, so

we could speak about goals, and how I can reinforce them at home. She never

called.

>

> My daughter's IEP states that she needs 1 hour a week of ST. She has had this

since Kindergarten. This new ST says she is only available for half an hour, and

will not see her more.

>

> She did not show up to the IEP meeting, where everyone present agreed she

needed more therapy. She FINALLY called me this morning because everyone present

@ the IEP meeting told her to. I hung up shaking, I was so mad.

>

> She kept repeating how " odd " my daughter's speech was, and said, " MOST kids,

by her age, have figured out that the way she speaks is TOTALLY unacceptable. I

am not sure why she is perpetuating her speech patterns. "

>

> I reminded her that she has an auditory processing disorder, and this is why I

wanted an hour vs. half an hour. She was very condescending and told me my child

no longer has a speech problem, that she " only has major difficulty with all of

her vowel sounds and her R sounds and that she consistently reverses her

pronouns. " [This translates to no speech problem? Honestly?]

>

> She then told me that my child's issues " usually resolve by Kindergarten, or

at the VERY latest first grade. " She is in 3rd, supposed to be in 4th. She went

on to say that nobody else talks the way that she does, and it is like she is

speaking her own language on purpose, and that she is a very odd child.

>

> She has met her 5 times, total, for half an hour each time. We go through a

charter school, and homeschool 3 days a week, while she is at school 2 days a

week. They are pulling her out of art, which is the one thing she is good at, to

do her therapy sessions. I specifically asked them not to pull her out during

art. I volunteered to drive her to whatever school the ST was working at,

whenever she wanted to on my child's @ home school days. Everyone at the IEP

meeting thought this was a great idea. My other ST did that for us... It's not

like it is unheard of.

>

> Her previous year's IEP (from K-3rd] have all had 1 hour. This lady is deeming

her okay for half an hour a week. I disagreed with that, and noted it on the IEP

paper I signed.

>

> I'm not sure about CA law. We have insurance that will pay for ST @ $35 a

visit. Is it legal for me to request that she go to a private therapist, and

they reimburse/help with my copay, rather than work with someone who thinks my

kid is fine? I am not sure how to ask for that... but, it seems like a

reasonable offer.

>

> I have also thought about asking them if they can contract out to our old ST,

instead of this lady who is being negative about my child, and denying she has a

problem.

>

> I just know that this woman is not listening to anything I have asked of her.

She comes across like she thinks my kid is making her speech problem up... Why

would she do that? Her speech (mispronunciations of vowel sounds/pronoun

mix-ups} is really messing up her writing and spelling... How do they think a

half an hour session a week, with no instruction to me for follow up is going to

help my kid?

>

> I just need help on the legalities of the IEP & how to best fight for what my

child deserves.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Aubrey

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, she should not be allowed around my child. I spoke to her educational

supervisor, who only heard that she called my child " odd " before she whipped out

a piece of paper & started taking notes on how this woman spoke about my child.

By the end of our meeting, she had a full paper, and had written " very

disrespectful to parent " and underlined it... so, I am hoping this will help,

but I am prepared to fight.

She says she will look into how the SLP is being paid & if she is paid case by

case, then she thinks they can get her a new SLP, or help pay for private

therapy.

She also told me that at the school, there are 6 other kids she knows of who

need speech therapy. 2 of the other parents have complained about the length of

time she is seeing them, as well as the " help " she is offering. She is dropping

kids who need therapy, and tells their parents to go buy computer programs to

help them!

It seems she is 2 years away from retirement, and isn't doing her job. The Ed

Supervisor said she will be speaking to the other parents, as well as the front

office lady. She said the FO lady had told her that she wasn't happy with the

length of the kids' ST, as she has 6 kids to work with and is usually only there

for an hour for ALL of them! So, she is failing at that, too! When I asked why

she wasn't in trouble for this, she said the principle didn't want to get her in

trouble as her mom just died last week. I'm sorry her mom died, but that is no

excuse for not providing the services that the kids need! Obviously, they are

letting this happen.

Meanwhile, I have an appointment to have her evaluated at a private speech

therapist, so I can bolster my argument that she needs more therapy from someone

who knows what they are taking about.

I guess after the SLP spoke to me on the phone, she pulled my daughter out of

her music class and said that is how it will be. (She sees her on Thursdays, and

this Thursday, the kids don't attend school... so, this week is not a problem.)

My husband & I do not want her near my child.

I am curious, how we ask for her not to work with our child, and have another

therapist. The last time we tried this, another school told us that it was

either that ST, or nothing, and we'd have to work with her, or use private

speech therapy & pay for it ourselves. (Money is tight & this is not a

possibility). So, we switched back to the crappy school with a good SLP rather

than fight it.

We love the school they are at, and she wakes up excited and happy to go to

school... It is the first year she has been excited about it... Yet, they are

failing her in the speech therapy area!

I have her on Fish Oils, and they help her tremendously. Without them, she

reverts back to speaking so badly, our family cannot understand her 80% of the

time!

I haven't tried NV, but will be giving it a try as soon as we have her evaluated

by a private therapist.

Thanks for the input. I'm waiting until next Monday, and if I still do not hear

anything, I will be speaking with the Special Ed District supervisor about the

violation of her IEP.

I'll write to you, , to ask specifics on the letter I need to write to the

school. I want to use the chain of command first, and then work my way up before

going big guns.

Aubrey

>

> Aubrey I would not let this " SLP " near my child with a ten foot pole! What

you should do in my opinion is take what you wrote here and document it with

dates; who you spoke with etc. and send it to the everyone in your school

district including the superintendent, and to complain about this SLP I'd

include ASHA (American Speech Hearing Association) and why not President Obama

as I know educational reform is in the public thus politician eye....And...most

important and I will help you if you want -this needs to be filed as a Federal

complaint of discrimination against your child's civil rights through the US

Department of Education Office of Civil Rights. You can also take this to the

media which today is quick to pick up on stories such as this as they go viral

quickly. I mean an SLP verbally mocking a ten year old to the parent calling

her " odd " and refusing to execute the IEP which is a legal binding contract?!!

But I would again not want this woman near me or my child anyway.

>

> A verbal disability is protected from discrimination under the Office of Civil

Rights. I have a few members of this group I have worked with on this and as

soon as a school district has wind this is coming they will offer you everything

- the sun the moon and an hour a week of therapy...but do you really want your

daughter to be with this (IMO) monster for an hour a week?!! Someone who calls

your child odd? You should never have to defend your child's verbal disability

to anyone- no less a paid school professional who works in speech therapy!!

>

> If you need my help in this as I have a contact on the Federal level I've

worked with to help others email me at lisa@... or call me 772 335 5135

>

> If you just want to write the letter yourself to start that is fine too. You

need to start a paper trail if you don't have one -and put everything in

writing. In the letter to the school- keep emotion out of it, and put in what

this school professional said to you about your " verbal disabled " (use those

words for the Office of Civil Rights...some there are still not used to seeing

that as they are used to hearing or visual impaired etc) And if this SLP said

what she did in front of the IEP team -put everyone's names in there and what

they said -how they reacted. Document, document, document. All you need is

the truth. Do not speak to anyone from that school going ahead unless you have

a tape recorder or it's in writing.

>

> What you wrote is so beyond horrific and mean that my heart goes our to you

and your daughter. At least you have many of us that will be able to help you.

Typically I would call up our VP Cheryl

http://latetalker.org/about/cheryl.html

http://www.cherabfoundation.org/about/advisoryboard/cheryl-bennett-johnson-m-a-s\

lseducational-consultant/who isn't online much but she is an award winning

speech therapist and special education educator from NJ and she would provide

bit by bit of what to do to enforce the IEP- but to me...this is beyond that.

Just as I wrote to another parent earlier today -you want a different

professional working with your child -and your situation is much more dire as I

personally find her remarks to me to be insulting and abusive. How DARE she

speak about a child this way?

>

> And not to go off topic of complying or not complying with the IEP...if your

child is 10 years old and still essentially nonverbal to the unfamiliar listener

-than she has not been receiving appropriate therapy and perhaps placement

either. 2 days a week for a child that severe in itself clearly is not enough

ST- (have you seen the ST matrix

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/therapymatrix.html )

>

> Just because there is an IEP and just because everyone follows it doesn't mean

it's appropriate for your child. This is why you need outside professionals if

possible to oversee progress and help set short and long term goals. As I've

written many times if there is no progress in 6 months therapy, therapist and/or

even diagnosis needs to be reevaluated.

>

> Now...let me ask you a question. You know how this woman spoke about your

child....she gets wind from the US Office of Civil Rights that she's under fire

for violating your child's civil rights and apologizes and offers to see your

child 4 times a week....do you accept that?!!! (answer to me -no. No matter

what I would NOT let this woman near your child and it's again my opinion she

should not be working with children or the public in general -she needs

complaints filed against her -and perhaps the school for hiring and keeping her

in light of her verbal abuse to special needs students)

>

> And one last thing ...do NOT use NV until this is straightened out -you'll

have a much better case if she stays as impaired as she is -but otherwise I'd SO

highly recommend you start her on NV ASAP as it has had amazing effects on not

just speech and language but many areas including academic surges

http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html and fish oils too if you have not

started them yet based on what we've seen in this group.

>

> Don't worry -you'll get through this too. There's always light at the end of

the tunnel- there's always hope.

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Aubrey is this a charter or public school? I'm on the phone with the Cherab VP

Cheryl

http://latetalker.org/about/cheryl.html

or

http://www.cherabfoundation.org/about/advisoryboard/cheryl-bennett-johnson-m-a-s\

lseducational-consultant/ and that question as well as the following is from

Cheryl:

Depending upon the type of school will depend upon the course of action -but as

I suspected she would be Cheryl was furious with this SLP. The following are

some quotes from her I typed as quick as I could as she was speaking!

" Defaming your child's name and character is a civil rights issue. This is

absolutely a civil rights issue and a complaint needs to be filed against this

woman. There is no reason for an educational professional to use derogatory

terms with any child that they are assigned to work with in the school system.

There is zero tolerance for bullying and this is a high form of bullying and

will not be tolerated.

If this is a public school you will need to go through filing a due process

complaint and copy the letter to the county superintendent of school and

director of special services (she wasn't sure what it would be called in

California). This is horrific. It is good to get a second opinion by another

SLP that has competence to document the child's unintelligibly and the need for

more extensive speech therapy services.

In order for the child to receive speech therapy services there needs to be an

educational impact. Having the child's speech and language issues affect

writing, and for others to understand her oral speaking would be an educational

impact. Are both issues being addressed? Both articulation as well as

language? Did the child have scores of 1.5 standard deviation or lower on

standardized tests on language. Or is there a 10% deviation on her language?

In NJ either of those would get her the classification of communication impaired

with therapy for that. (to Cheryl) It no way sounds like even one hour a week

is enough. Not just for expressive, but language as well. (Cheryl would also

like to know what testing was used)

The SLP has no right to change what is in the IEP unless the IEP is changed and

all agree. She is in violation with what she is doing with your child in that

regard as well.

If this school therapist has a certificate of clinical competence (CCC) call

ASHA in land and file a code of ethics violation. You can check to see if

she is on file if you are not sure if she has her CCC. If she does not have her

CCC call consumer affairs or the advisory board for speech language therapists

in your state and file a code of ethics violation. And her final words " Who

does she think she is bullying this poor child? "

Cheryl was not as sure about the rules for a charter school but still feels that

a civil rights complaint needs to be filed and a code of ethics violation

against the SLP should be filed as well either way.

So after listening to Cheryl -to me the answer to the question " How do I ask for

another SLP? " Not just what I wrote before -but based on all Cheryl said- she

shouldn't be working with kids in general- she should be fired.

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AND---that SLP gives other SLPs a bad name. Speaking as an SLP who

specializes in kids with apraxia, autism, and eating challenges, I don't

agree with anything she is doing! Your child is definitely NOT getting

enough service hours. I agree with -ask for another qualified SLP-this

one does not want to work!

Warmest wishes,

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From:

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Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:06 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Help with enforcing IEP ~ Speech

Therapist denying problem

Aubrey is this a charter or public school? I'm on the phone with the Cherab

VP Cheryl

http://latetalker.org/about/cheryl.html

or

http://www.cherabfoundation.org/about/advisoryboard/cheryl-bennett-johnson-m

-a-slseducational-consultant/ and that question as well as the following is

from Cheryl:

Depending upon the type of school will depend upon the course of action -but

as I suspected she would be Cheryl was furious with this SLP. The following

are some quotes from her I typed as quick as I could as she was speaking!

" Defaming your child's name and character is a civil rights issue. This is

absolutely a civil rights issue and a complaint needs to be filed against

this woman. There is no reason for an educational professional to use

derogatory terms with any child that they are assigned to work with in the

school system. There is zero tolerance for bullying and this is a high form

of bullying and will not be tolerated.

If this is a public school you will need to go through filing a due process

complaint and copy the letter to the county superintendent of school and

director of special services (she wasn't sure what it would be called in

California). This is horrific. It is good to get a second opinion by another

SLP that has competence to document the child's unintelligibly and the need

for more extensive speech therapy services.

In order for the child to receive speech therapy services there needs to be

an educational impact. Having the child's speech and language issues affect

writing, and for others to understand her oral speaking would be an

educational impact. Are both issues being addressed? Both articulation as

well as language? Did the child have scores of 1.5 standard deviation or

lower on standardized tests on language. Or is there a 10% deviation on her

language? In NJ either of those would get her the classification of

communication impaired with therapy for that. (to Cheryl) It no way sounds

like even one hour a week is enough. Not just for expressive, but language

as well. (Cheryl would also like to know what testing was used)

The SLP has no right to change what is in the IEP unless the IEP is changed

and all agree. She is in violation with what she is doing with your child in

that regard as well.

If this school therapist has a certificate of clinical competence (CCC) call

ASHA in land and file a code of ethics violation. You can check to see

if she is on file if you are not sure if she has her CCC. If she does not

have her CCC call consumer affairs or the advisory board for speech language

therapists in your state and file a code of ethics violation. And her final

words " Who does she think she is bullying this poor child? "

Cheryl was not as sure about the rules for a charter school but still feels

that a civil rights complaint needs to be filed and a code of ethics

violation against the SLP should be filed as well either way.

So after listening to Cheryl -to me the answer to the question " How do I ask

for another SLP? " Not just what I wrote before -but based on all Cheryl

said- she shouldn't be working with kids in general- she should be fired.

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