Re: Ideas about how Nutriiveda, apraxia/autism and the mind work. Hope they help

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Hi Tim,

Are you trying to say Nutriiveda has the best combination we are looking for?

Dr.Kendal in his autism one audio tapes explains how these children need

a detox agent plus a healing, repair and support agent required at every step.

Nutriiveda has the right protocol just like Dr.Kendal explains. That's very good

to know.

All the ingredients listed in Zrii website are available in my kitchen counter

as I am originally from India and our cooking reflects ayurveda for everyday

health maintenance. its the right ingredients combined in right proportion which

is the fundamentals of any kind of medicine/pharmacy.

For example same thriphala churnam when eaten with honey has a different effect

(solves constipation problem for ever) and when applied on fore head with little

bit of butter milk removes sinus.

That's the beauty in Ayurveda, they use ashwagandha which is a known

neurotransmitter support and helps hippocampus where as other ginsengs or

rhodiola will calm but later makes you very sleepy plus some people needs

additional potassium support. Where as Ashwagandha is appreciated for the reason

that it will help the hippocampus but once no more help needed it will not do

any adverse effect. which is the fundamentals of ayurveda. Its so good that we

are getting the pure ingredients here in the US which was always very hard for

me to in the past.

my son stimms a lot, its once again balancing the serotonin levels with dopamine

and other neuro transmitters but, same 1GABA + 2 TravacorJR(seratonin support)

gives no stiming for 3 days. But then I have to play around the doses by adding

a zinc (which supports GABA) ..to find the right combination to avaoid

stimming. When we use the natural ingredients and the right once the body knows

how much to take and how much to let go. Increase tryptophan or L-tyrosine (for

dopamine production) doesn't work the way we want all the time.. since its

highly complex. Some people have found straight solution like a mother got her

son talking just increasing the Vitamin E.

I think Its worth to try instead of reinventing the same !!!

just my thoughts

regards,

Supraja

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> The ideas below may explain something about how Nutriiveda, apraxia, autism

> and the mind work.

>

> Nutriiveda might help because of least three factors. First is the

> fish-in-a-barrel, buckshot aspect. Apraxia and autism seem to develop from a

> slew of chemical shortages, and Nutriiveda gives lots of the right things to

> repair lots of kinds of damage at once. Second, Nutriiveda's ingredients may

> include something science hasn't come across or explored deeply, such as

> combinations of ingredients that enhance each other's actions in overlooked,

> especially relevant ways. Absorption of Curcumin, for example, which

> Wikipedia says has a positive effect on neurogenesis and neuron survival, is

> increased 2000% around piperine; Nutriiveda combines Curcumin with Amalaki,

> which in Ayurvedic tradition enhances both. Amalaki is also believed to give

> energy, which can help a person learn more (the Japanese value energetic,

> " bright " children).

>

> Third, the whey protein isolate beefs up alpha-lactoalbumin which in turn

> beefs up the supply of tryptophan which in ITS turn should beef up the

> brain's supply of serotonin, a shortage of which, in ITS turn also, is

> suggested as a key factor in ASD problems (1). Serotonin is perhaps the

> brain's master integrator (2), a primitive mind before mind. It seems to

> enable our attending to the body's immediate concerns, turning down

> competing signals. Ideas that follow from these: if serotonin is low the

> mind can't focus on focusing, can't learn to " control attention " . If

> serotonin is low basic movement patterns, which should have been integrated

> into larger ones, appear separately as stimming. Since serotonin regulates

> its own production, through feedback, damage to the feedback might lead to

> imbalance through excess serotonin.

>

> Serotonin shortages have also been associated with epilepsy, and increasing

> tryptophan amount and ratio through alpha-lactoalbumin has been used to

> reduce seizures (3). A feature of the cortex and hippocampus seems to be a

> balancing of excitation and inhibition, of glutamate and GABA (4). Together

> these ideas suggest that an epileptic seizure can occur when one general

> kind of signal, e.g. excitation, dominates and nerves start a self-iterative

> circle of re-firing. Consciousness is in a way the opposite: the absence of

> repetitive excitation. Concepts, one can speculate, also begin as

> imbalances of excitation and inhibition, tiny ones, in different parts of

> the brain. Imbalances lead, via mRNAs, via early and late LTP/LTD, to the

> building of unique signal-paths and nerve networks which underpin

> cognition. When large epileptic waves take over, the small paths of

> concepts get flooded and the mind blacks out. The large Delta waves of deep

> sleep similarly " replace consciousness " . One aspect of autism looks like the

> developmental counterpart of epilepsy: if there's too little or too much

> serotonin subtle imbalances between excitation and inhibition may be

> overwhelmed, paths can't grow, and mind doesn't build; an apraxic child

> can't catch and bring into sequence tiny details of speech control.

> Upsetting the fine balance of signals disrupts both the conscious mind and

> the growing mind. Whey and tryptophan may restore the balance.

>

>

> (1) serotonin:

> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2730007/pdf/CN-7-150.pdf, esp. p153-4.

> (2) Basic Neurochemistry, 7th edition, Siegel Albers Brady Price eds., p239.

> (3) tryptophan: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17826001. P Mainardi; the

> summary.

> (4) The Autistic Neuron: Troubled Translation? R Kelleher, M Bear, Cell 135

> 10/31/08 p401-6. Also, rapamycin rescuing L-LTP: Reversal of learning

> deficits in a Tsc2+/- mouse model of tuberous sclerosis, D Ehninger et al.,

> Nature Medicine v14 n8 August 2008, p843-8.

>

>

>

> Whey protein isolate supplies all the amino acids. In contrast to milk,

> it's made of short proteins that are ordinarily almost completely digested.

> Once in the bloodstream tryptophan can get into the brain better if one eats

> carbohydrates at the same time -- the carbs kick up insulin which routes

> away the other amino acids but lets tryptophan free to get through the

> blood-brain barrier. Casein-Free and Specific Carbohydrate Diets, if not

> managed well, might at times lead to inappropriate nutrition. co's

> alpha-lactoalbumin provides a high amount of tryptophan relative to other

> amino acids.

>

> From the tryptophan paper it seems possible Nutriiveda like other

> tryptophan-raising products could help reduce seizures. It may alleviate

> depression. Perhaps it could ease some seniors' cognition problems.

> Serotonin helps control appetite, sleep, anxiety and more, so Nutriiveda's

> ingredients could help health management generally.

>

> Caveats to keep in mind:

> -- Serotonin doesn't itself make memories so much as facilitate the nerves

> that do. If the ideas above are in the right ballpark, serotonin just turns

> on the lights and makes sure the teams come to the game. This could mean, if

> the brain finally achieves a balance of chemicals that makes partially

> recorded memories accessible, that ability seems to surge -- perhaps because

> the ability to recall, itself partially a memory, becomes stable enough for

> the mind to use. Learning, learning ability, and attitude toward learning

> could all improve.

> -- There might be as many initial causes of apraxia and autism as there are

> chemicals in the brain. It's too much to hope that getting serotonin or

> excitation-inhibition in balance will help everyone.

> -- Whatever originally disrupted a person's neural signals, the survival of

> neurons, the production of serotonin or the supply of tryptophan or other

> nutrients will probably continue to be a problem. Leaky gut, yeast,

> metabolic upsets, immune problems, toxins, genetic and epigenetic factors

> almost certainly need separate work. Will there be regressions? Side

> effects? Is the brain working perfectly? Good monitoring, testing, training

> and chemical questioning could be important for a long time.

>

> Good luck -

> Tim Stearns

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