Re: Nuttriiveda - what is it?

[Guest guest]

Here is an archived message as posted on fb...only thing I want to add as we've

spoken so much in this group about the whey isolate protein is that most is

around 96 percent protein -but the whey isolate protein in the nutriiveda which

is 100% natural (just like everything else in the product) and of the highest

quality- the whey part is about 100% protein with only trace amounts of anything

else- which is hard to find anywhere and why it's gluten casein free (as well as

fat and sodium free) I was told this is because when they were searching for

which whey isolate protein to use " price was not considered " So it is the

BEST!!! (which is awesome for all of us and our kids)

(clip from message posted to our private Cherab group)

Product has only been out since around October -ayurvedic, metabolic weight

management health product -no known side effects, gluten, casein, lactose, fat,

sodium, free, 100 percent natural, no drug interactions, developed and endorsed

by world renowned medical doctors Deepak Chopra MD and Simon MD...was not

developed for children but by mistake I found it created a surge in my son

Tanner who is 13 (reported by his school noticed by all professionals) I shared

with Robin for her 25 year old daughter Mel who was misdiagnosed all her life as

mentally retarded and autistic -like my son Tanner, Mel's background is well

documented by many professionals -please read blog to see remarkable surges that

started from day one. Three taken off the nutriiveda for various reasons that

had been surging regressed in a day or two. The product is full meal and vitamin

replacement but isn't just for weight loss -it also helps those kids who don't

eat enough or well. Nourishes the body with 10 grams of isolate protein which is

the most easily digestible per serving. All vitamins and minerals and essential

amino acids are in each serving too -some interesting studies just published on

this which may explain some of what we are seeing? (here's one

http://www.sflorg.com/comm_center/medical/p974_99.html ) Can be made into a

shake mixed with water or juice or any type of milk (soy, almond etc.) Can also

be mixed into food such as yogurt, pudding, peanut butter, (even heard ice

cream) Can also be sprinkled on food like cereal, oatmeal or pancakes etc.

Depends what child (or adult likes.

Price 40 dollars per canister -30 scoops per canister in either chocolate or

vanilla.

Dosage used so far OK'd by child's doctors (so far all doctors both traditional

medical and alternative as well as nutritionist approved by all and most MDs

have said " don't know if it will help with speech but can't hurt and should add

some good nutrition " )

Birth to three - one scoop a day (can be split into half scoop twice a day)

Four to Eight -two scoops a day (can be split into 1 scoop twice a day)

Nine and up to adult -can take up to four scoops a day -recommended to split 2

scoops 2x a day. If you need to lose weight you will on this and quickly -if you

don't you won't (those that needed to gain weight gained) works with the body.

reports from adults using it for weight loss -tons of energy, focus, no more

cravings. For adults too appear to support metabolic system- metabolism appears

to rejuvenate. (being used by some of our parents, grandparents, and

professionals as well)

Used 2x a day comes out to around $2.70 for full meal and vitamin replacement.

Again does not have to be for weight loss and can be served with food. (won't be

able to eat as much food however)

Most parents are reporting surges within a week. Here are some of the reports so

far

from various kids:

For apraxia and autism:

More babble/or even all of a sudden talking in full or fuller sentences

More focus (biggie)

Seems to be more aware of what's around -more interested in what's around

For autism -more eye contact, pointing,, following gaze and interest of others

and what's around

For ADHD -I know of 3 teens now that went from poor to B C students (one on

medication and bounced from school to school) who went to STRAIGHT A STUDENTS

-that so much needs to be looked into!!!! My son Tanner isn't ADHD -but his

school also called me to report a surge -his grades have gone up

Seizures -

Mel who almost died of seizures- no seizure activity at all, no headaches, since

being on the nutriiveda -meds have been lowered once and are about to be lowered

again. This is within 6 weeks.

My son Tanner's fish oil dosage has been cut in half and for the first time no

regression -he continues to surge.

Negative so far

hyper...Sowmya's son and he also increased in speech (but this was also when the

teacher reported more focused in school - but at home he was hyper) Sowmya took

him off for just a few days and he noticeably regressed in speech. She put him

back on and now she says that even though it may look like hyper - it's not so

much hyper as he's more interested in everything around him. Teacher asks

Sowmya what she's doing differently with her son -notices improvement. When

Sowmya says " today? " She says " no past 4 days " while her son was on the

nutriiveda.

Barbara CCC SLP is going to stat interviewing parents and the

professionals that work with the kids on the nutriiveda to see if we can get

information that's professional anecdotal instead of just from us the parents.

One of the big questions I'm getting is for autism/biomedical and all the other

supplements etc. So far out of those I've spoken to that do biomedical they

talked with their child's doctor and tried pulling their children off everything

but fish oil and nutriiveda for a week. Most surges are within that first week

anyway so good to see what's working.

We are starting groups at BigTent

Barbara CCC SLP is meeting up with some neuroMDs in her area to discuss

and will be reporting what she's already seeing in her clients (very exciting!!)

She will be starting a section at Big Tent to answer questions from parents and

professionals

Sowmya has volunteered to help answer questions about ayurveda

Jolie Abreu and Robin Ketchum will be starting a section to keep everyone up to

date with Mel's updates and where you can ask questions and keep track

Dawen Wong offered to start a section at Big Tent for those that speak Chinese

and to share what she's seeing in her autistic son on the nutriiveda

If anyone wants to start a section on anything (not just nutriiveda since we

have a few that want to start sections on this already) just email me

lisa@... or lewis@...

Any other professionals that want to interview any of the families let me know!

Very interesting!

More info at http://www.pursuitofresearch.org http://www.nutraeasy.com and at

our message boards for Cherab

Info about two of the MDs behind it

Deepak Chopra M.D. is a world-renowned authority in the field of mind-body

healing, a best-selling author, and the founder of the Chopra Center for

Wellbeing. His popularity as an international presenter and keynote speaker is

exemplified by an impressive list of honorariums. For more than a decade, he has

participated as a lecturer at the Update in Internal Medicine event sponsored by

Harvard Medical School's Department of Continuing Education and the Department

of Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. Dr. Chopra is a fellow of the

American College of Physicians, a member of the American Association of Clinical

Endocrinologists, an adjunct professor at Kellogg School of Management, and a

senior scientist with the Gallup Organization.

Dr. Chopra is a renowned author of more than fifty-five books. (14 Bestsellers!)

His writing includes topics on mind-body health, Ayruvedic Science,

spirituality, and peace. Time Magazine call him the " poet-prophet of alternative

medicine. "

Simon M.D. co-founded and assumed the role of medical director of the

Chopra Center for Wellbeing in 1996. He is a board certified neurologist and

recognized as a leading authority in the effective and appropriate use of

mind-body medicine practices, his endeavors have resulted in the training of

thousands of physicians, nurses, and health care providers. One of the first

recipients of a National Institutes of Health grant to study mind-body medical

approaches to improving health care, continues to bring integrated

mind-body medical programs to medical institutions, health centers, educational

institutions, and health resorts throughout the world.

Dr. Simon is the author of many wellness books, including his newest Amazon

best-seller, Free to Love, Free to Heal: Heal Your Body by Healing Your

Emotions.

Product label chocolate

http://www.up0.net/content/666799/Choco_NutritionFacts.pdf

Product label vanilla

http://www.up0.net/content/666799/Vanilla_NutritionFacts.pdf

Ayurvedic ingredients

Gymnema (Gymnema sylvestre)Gymnema (Gymnema sylvestre) Often called the " sugar

destroyer, " Gymnema has been used by Ayurvedic healers to help support healthy

blood sugar levels for thousands of years. In addition, Gymnema supports a

healthy metabolism and acts as a catalyst for the weight management activity of

Garcinia.

Guggul

Guggul (Commiphora mukul)

Known as the " fat killer " in Ayurvedic medicine, Guggul is a powerful resin

extract that comes from the small, thorny mukul myrrh tree. It is known in

Ayurveda for its ability to help rid the body of unwanted fat, increase cellular

fire, and support healthy cholesterol levels and liver function.

turmeric

Turmeric (Curcuma longa)

Turmeric root, one of the most widely studied botanicals today, is often

combined with Amalaki because of the duo’s potency and power. Turmeric works

to boost cardiovascular health by purifying the blood, regulating blood sugar

levels, supporting healthy insulin levels, and promoting a healthy inflammatory

response in the body.

GreenTea

Green Tea (Camellia sinensis)

A powerful antioxidant, green tea contains high concentrated levels of EGCG that

neutralize toxic free radicals within the body. It also works to protect the

DNA, regulate blood sugar levels, increase thermogenesis, and boost energy.

amalaki

Amalaki (Emblica officinalis)

Known as the " great rejuvenator, " Amalaki is revered for over 5,000 years in

Ayurveda for its rejuvenating properties. This superfood promotes energy and

vitality, supports immune function, promotes the digestive system, stabilizes

blood sugar levels, and has an overall rejuvenating effect on the body required

during weight loss.

haritaki

Haritaki (Terminalia chebula)

The date-like Haritaki fruit serves as a gentle and effective detoxifying agent

for the body. Through its astringent taste, the Haritaki stimulates the

metabolic fire of the cells and promotes the body's ability to burn fat.

cinnamon

Cinnamon (Cinnamomum verum)

Used in the Vanilla version of NutriiVeda Cinnamon has a long history both as a

spice and as a medicine. Cinnamon aids with problems in the digestive system and

is high in antioxidants. Seasoning a high carb food with cinnamon can help

lessen its impact on your blood sugar levels. Cinnamon slows the rate at which

the stomach empties after meals, reducing the rise in blood sugar after eating.

Cayenne

Cayenne (Capsicum annuum)

Used in the Chocolate version of NutriiVeda Many herbalists believe that cayenne

acts as a catalyst and increases the effectiveness of other herbs when used with

them. Cayenne is a medicinal and nutritional herb. Medicinally it aids in

elimination and assimilation and promotes the entire digestion system.

Nutritionally it is a very high source of Vitamins A and C, has the complete B

complexes, and is very rich in organic calcium and potassium.

Thanks!

PS even though my neighbor Laurie says I'm not allowed to say this and that

nobody cares about anything under a size 8..I effortlessly went from a size 4 to

a size 2 in about 2 months -and without this no matter how hard I tried and

worked out and watched what I ate -it's hard to lose those last few pounds.

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Sounds great and worth a try.

Where can I buy this product in the UK or do I need to get it from the USA? How

much do I prepare for my child who doesn't appear autistic or apraxic but not

talking? Can I do say half a sachet a day?

Can I give him a dose with his morning breakfast cereal?

Many thanks

>

> Here is an archived message as posted on fb...only thing I want to add as

we've spoken so much in this group about the whey isolate protein is that most

is around 96 percent protein -but the whey isolate protein in the nutriiveda

which is 100% natural (just like everything else in the product) and of the

highest quality- the whey part is about 100% protein with only trace amounts of

anything else- which is hard to find anywhere and why it's gluten casein free

(as well as fat and sodium free) I was told this is because when they were

searching for which whey isolate protein to use " price was not considered " So

it is the BEST!!! (which is awesome for all of us and our kids)

>

> (clip from message posted to our private Cherab group)

>

> Product has only been out since around October -ayurvedic, metabolic weight

management health product -no known side effects, gluten, casein, lactose, fat,

sodium, free, 100 percent natural, no drug interactions, developed and endorsed

by world renowned medical doctors Deepak Chopra MD and Simon MD...was not

developed for children but by mistake I found it created a surge in my son

Tanner who is 13 (reported by his school noticed by all professionals) I shared

with Robin for her 25 year old daughter Mel who was misdiagnosed all her life as

mentally retarded and autistic -like my son Tanner, Mel's background is well

documented by many professionals -please read blog to see remarkable surges that

started from day one. Three taken off the nutriiveda for various reasons that

had been surging regressed in a day or two. The product is full meal and vitamin

replacement but isn't just for weight loss -it also helps those kids who don't

eat enough or well. Nourishes the body with 10 grams of isolate protein which is

the most easily digestible per serving. All vitamins and minerals and essential

amino acids are in each serving too -some interesting studies just published on

this which may explain some of what we are seeing? (here's one

http://www.sflorg.com/comm_center/medical/p974_99.html ) Can be made into a

shake mixed with water or juice or any type of milk (soy, almond etc.) Can also

be mixed into food such as yogurt, pudding, peanut butter, (even heard ice

cream) Can also be sprinkled on food like cereal, oatmeal or pancakes etc.

> Depends what child (or adult likes.

>

>

> Price 40 dollars per canister -30 scoops per canister in either chocolate or

vanilla.

>

> Dosage used so far OK'd by child's doctors (so far all doctors both

traditional medical and alternative as well as nutritionist approved by all and

most MDs have said " don't know if it will help with speech but can't hurt and

should add some good nutrition " )

> Birth to three - one scoop a day (can be split into half scoop twice a day)

> Four to Eight -two scoops a day (can be split into 1 scoop twice a day)

> Nine and up to adult -can take up to four scoops a day -recommended to split 2

scoops 2x a day. If you need to lose weight you will on this and quickly -if you

don't you won't (those that needed to gain weight gained) works with the body.

reports from adults using it for weight loss -tons of energy, focus, no more

cravings. For adults too appear to support metabolic system- metabolism appears

to rejuvenate. (being used by some of our parents, grandparents, and

professionals as well)

> Used 2x a day comes out to around $2.70 for full meal and vitamin replacement.

Again does not have to be for weight loss and can be served with food. (won't be

able to eat as much food however)

>

> Most parents are reporting surges within a week. Here are some of the reports

so far

> from various kids:

>

> For apraxia and autism:

> More babble/or even all of a sudden talking in full or fuller sentences

> More focus (biggie)

> Seems to be more aware of what's around -more interested in what's around

> For autism -more eye contact, pointing,, following gaze and interest of others

> and what's around

> For ADHD -I know of 3 teens now that went from poor to B C students (one on

> medication and bounced from school to school) who went to STRAIGHT A STUDENTS

> -that so much needs to be looked into!!!! My son Tanner isn't ADHD -but his

> school also called me to report a surge -his grades have gone up

> Seizures -

> Mel who almost died of seizures- no seizure activity at all, no headaches,

since

> being on the nutriiveda -meds have been lowered once and are about to be

lowered

> again. This is within 6 weeks.

> My son Tanner's fish oil dosage has been cut in half and for the first time no

> regression -he continues to surge.

>

>

> Negative so far

> hyper...Sowmya's son and he also increased in speech (but this was also when

the

> teacher reported more focused in school - but at home he was hyper) Sowmya

took

> him off for just a few days and he noticeably regressed in speech. She put him

> back on and now she says that even though it may look like hyper - it's not so

> much hyper as he's more interested in everything around him. Teacher asks

> Sowmya what she's doing differently with her son -notices improvement. When

> Sowmya says " today? " She says " no past 4 days " while her son was on the

> nutriiveda.

>

> Barbara CCC SLP is going to stat interviewing parents and the

> professionals that work with the kids on the nutriiveda to see if we can get

> information that's professional anecdotal instead of just from us the parents.

> One of the big questions I'm getting is for autism/biomedical and all the

other

> supplements etc. So far out of those I've spoken to that do biomedical they

> talked with their child's doctor and tried pulling their children off

everything

> but fish oil and nutriiveda for a week. Most surges are within that first week

> anyway so good to see what's working.

>

> We are starting groups at BigTent

>

> Barbara CCC SLP is meeting up with some neuroMDs in her area to discuss

> and will be reporting what she's already seeing in her clients (very

exciting!!)

> She will be starting a section at Big Tent to answer questions from parents

and

> professionals

>

> Sowmya has volunteered to help answer questions about ayurveda

>

> Jolie Abreu and Robin Ketchum will be starting a section to keep everyone up

to

> date with Mel's updates and where you can ask questions and keep track

>

> Dawen Wong offered to start a section at Big Tent for those that speak Chinese

> and to share what she's seeing in her autistic son on the nutriiveda

>

> If anyone wants to start a section on anything (not just nutriiveda since we

> have a few that want to start sections on this already) just email me

> lisa@... or lewis@...

>

> Any other professionals that want to interview any of the families let me

know! Very interesting!

>

> More info at http://www.pursuitofresearch.org http://www.nutraeasy.com and at

our message boards for Cherab

>

> Info about two of the MDs behind it

> Deepak Chopra M.D. is a world-renowned authority in the field of mind-body

healing, a best-selling author, and the founder of the Chopra Center for

Wellbeing. His popularity as an international presenter and keynote speaker is

exemplified by an impressive list of honorariums. For more than a decade, he has

participated as a lecturer at the Update in Internal Medicine event sponsored by

Harvard Medical School's Department of Continuing Education and the Department

of Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. Dr. Chopra is a fellow of the

American College of Physicians, a member of the American Association of Clinical

Endocrinologists, an adjunct professor at Kellogg School of Management, and a

senior scientist with the Gallup Organization.

>

> Dr. Chopra is a renowned author of more than fifty-five books. (14

Bestsellers!) His writing includes topics on mind-body health, Ayruvedic

Science, spirituality, and peace. Time Magazine call him the " poet-prophet of

alternative medicine. "

>

> Simon M.D. co-founded and assumed the role of medical director of the

Chopra Center for Wellbeing in 1996. He is a board certified neurologist and

recognized as a leading authority in the effective and appropriate use of

mind-body medicine practices, his endeavors have resulted in the training of

thousands of physicians, nurses, and health care providers. One of the first

recipients of a National Institutes of Health grant to study mind-body medical

approaches to improving health care, continues to bring integrated

mind-body medical programs to medical institutions, health centers, educational

institutions, and health resorts throughout the world.

>

> Dr. Simon is the author of many wellness books, including his newest Amazon

best-seller, Free to Love, Free to Heal: Heal Your Body by Healing Your

Emotions.

>

> Product label chocolate

> http://www.up0.net/content/666799/Choco_NutritionFacts.pdf

> Product label vanilla

> http://www.up0.net/content/666799/Vanilla_NutritionFacts.pdf

>

> Ayurvedic ingredients

>

> Gymnema (Gymnema sylvestre)Gymnema (Gymnema sylvestre) Often called the " sugar

destroyer, " Gymnema has been used by Ayurvedic healers to help support healthy

blood sugar levels for thousands of years. In addition, Gymnema supports a

healthy metabolism and acts as a catalyst for the weight management activity of

Garcinia.

> Guggul

>

>

> Guggul (Commiphora mukul)

>

> Known as the " fat killer " in Ayurvedic medicine, Guggul is a powerful resin

extract that comes from the small, thorny mukul myrrh tree. It is known in

Ayurveda for its ability to help rid the body of unwanted fat, increase cellular

fire, and support healthy cholesterol levels and liver function.

> turmeric

>

>

> Turmeric (Curcuma longa)

>

> Turmeric root, one of the most widely studied botanicals today, is often

combined with Amalaki because of the duo’s potency and power. Turmeric works

to boost cardiovascular health by purifying the blood, regulating blood sugar

levels, supporting healthy insulin levels, and promoting a healthy inflammatory

response in the body.

> GreenTea

>

>

> Green Tea (Camellia sinensis)

>

> A powerful antioxidant, green tea contains high concentrated levels of EGCG

that neutralize toxic free radicals within the body. It also works to protect

the DNA, regulate blood sugar levels, increase thermogenesis, and boost energy.

> amalaki

>

>

> Amalaki (Emblica officinalis)

>

> Known as the " great rejuvenator, " Amalaki is revered for over 5,000 years in

Ayurveda for its rejuvenating properties. This superfood promotes energy and

vitality, supports immune function, promotes the digestive system, stabilizes

blood sugar levels, and has an overall rejuvenating effect on the body required

during weight loss.

> haritaki

>

>

> Haritaki (Terminalia chebula)

>

> The date-like Haritaki fruit serves as a gentle and effective detoxifying

agent for the body. Through its astringent taste, the Haritaki stimulates the

metabolic fire of the cells and promotes the body's ability to burn fat.

> cinnamon

>

>

> Cinnamon (Cinnamomum verum)

>

> Used in the Vanilla version of NutriiVeda Cinnamon has a long history both as

a spice and as a medicine. Cinnamon aids with problems in the digestive system

and is high in antioxidants. Seasoning a high carb food with cinnamon can help

lessen its impact on your blood sugar levels. Cinnamon slows the rate at which

the stomach empties after meals, reducing the rise in blood sugar after eating.

> Cayenne

>

>

> Cayenne (Capsicum annuum)

>

> Used in the Chocolate version of NutriiVeda Many herbalists believe that

cayenne acts as a catalyst and increases the effectiveness of other herbs when

used with them. Cayenne is a medicinal and nutritional herb. Medicinally it aids

in elimination and assimilation and promotes the entire digestion system.

Nutritionally it is a very high source of Vitamins A and C, has the complete B

complexes, and is very rich in organic calcium and potassium.

>

> Thanks!

>

> PS even though my neighbor Laurie says I'm not allowed to say this and that

nobody cares about anything under a size 8..I effortlessly went from a size 4 to

a size 2 in about 2 months -and without this no matter how hard I tried and

worked out and watched what I ate -it's hard to lose those last few pounds.

> http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=13047

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

I have not really followed much of the conversation about the nutriiveda.  when

it first appeared on the line, I did a quick search on it, and found that the

whey protein isolate was in it - decided immediately it was not going to be for

Josh.  Josh has allergies to MSG and, if you check the gazillions of names for

MSG or ingredients of products that have/create/etc. MSG (which is a naturally

occurring substance, and is naturally produced by different processes in other

substances) - whey protein isolate often has/is a name for naturally produced

MSG.  So if any of the kiddoes trying the nutriiveda protocol are having some

problems, and also have allergies to MSG, you might want to consider that as the

culprit.

 

MSG, as I said and as many of you probably know, does go by, or is in, a

gazillion other names and substances.  It's hard having a kid with an MSG

allergy (he has respiratory reactions), but there ya go.  It's a shame since,

if the anecdotal info is correct, Josh's speech, focus, and seizures (he was

diagnosed in October with epilepsy) might benefit from it.

 

Sherry and Josh

From: southeastdonkey <hrashid@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Nuttriiveda - what is it?

Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 5:40 AM

 

Sounds great and worth a try.

Where can I buy this product in the UK or do I need to get it from the USA? How

much do I prepare for my child who doesn't appear autistic or apraxic but not

talking? Can I do say half a sachet a day?

Can I give him a dose with his morning breakfast cereal?

Many thanks

>

> Here is an archived message as posted on fb...only thing I want to add as

we've spoken so much in this group about the whey isolate protein is that most

is around 96 percent protein -but the whey isolate protein in the nutriiveda

which is 100% natural (just like everything else in the product) and of the

highest quality- the whey part is about 100% protein with only trace amounts of

anything else- which is hard to find anywhere and why it's gluten casein free

(as well as fat and sodium free) I was told this is because when they were

searching for which whey isolate protein to use " price was not considered " So it

is the BEST!!! (which is awesome for all of us and our kids)

>

> (clip from message posted to our private Cherab group)

>

> Product has only been out since around October -ayurvedic, metabolic weight

management health product -no known side effects, gluten, casein, lactose, fat,

sodium, free, 100 percent natural, no drug interactions, developed and endorsed

by world renowned medical doctors Deepak Chopra MD and Simon MD...was not

developed for children but by mistake I found it created a surge in my son

Tanner who is 13 (reported by his school noticed by all professionals) I shared

with Robin for her 25 year old daughter Mel who was misdiagnosed all her life as

mentally retarded and autistic -like my son Tanner, Mel's background is well

documented by many professionals -please read blog to see remarkable surges that

started from day one. Three taken off the nutriiveda for various reasons that

had been surging regressed in a day or two. The product is full meal and vitamin

replacement but isn't just for weight loss -it also helps those kids who don't

eat enough or

well. Nourishes the body with 10 grams of isolate protein which is the most

easily digestible per serving. All vitamins and minerals and essential amino

acids are in each serving too -some interesting studies just published on this

which may explain some of what we are seeing? (here's one http://www.sflorg.

com/comm_ center/medical/ p974_99.html ) Can be made into a shake mixed with

water or juice or any type of milk (soy, almond etc.) Can also be mixed into

food such as yogurt, pudding, peanut butter, (even heard ice cream) Can also be

sprinkled on food like cereal, oatmeal or pancakes etc.

> Depends what child (or adult likes.

>

>

> Price 40 dollars per canister -30 scoops per canister in either chocolate or

vanilla.

>

> Dosage used so far OK'd by child's doctors (so far all doctors both

traditional medical and alternative as well as nutritionist approved by all and

most MDs have said " don't know if it will help with speech but can't hurt and

should add some good nutrition " )

> Birth to three - one scoop a day (can be split into half scoop twice a day)

> Four to Eight -two scoops a day (can be split into 1 scoop twice a day)

> Nine and up to adult -can take up to four scoops a day -recommended to split 2

scoops 2x a day. If you need to lose weight you will on this and quickly -if you

don't you won't (those that needed to gain weight gained) works with the body.

reports from adults using it for weight loss -tons of energy, focus, no more

cravings. For adults too appear to support metabolic system- metabolism appears

to rejuvenate. (being used by some of our parents, grandparents, and

professionals as well)

> Used 2x a day comes out to around $2.70 for full meal and vitamin replacement.

Again does not have to be for weight loss and can be served with food. (won't be

able to eat as much food however)

>

> Most parents are reporting surges within a week. Here are some of the reports

so far

> from various kids:

>

> For apraxia and autism:

> More babble/or even all of a sudden talking in full or fuller sentences

> More focus (biggie)

> Seems to be more aware of what's around -more interested in what's around

> For autism -more eye contact, pointing,, following gaze and interest of others

> and what's around

> For ADHD -I know of 3 teens now that went from poor to B C students (one on

> medication and bounced from school to school) who went to STRAIGHT A STUDENTS

> -that so much needs to be looked into!!!! My son Tanner isn't ADHD -but his

> school also called me to report a surge -his grades have gone up

> Seizures -

> Mel who almost died of seizures- no seizure activity at all, no headaches,

since

> being on the nutriiveda -meds have been lowered once and are about to be

lowered

> again. This is within 6 weeks.

> My son Tanner's fish oil dosage has been cut in half and for the first time no

> regression -he continues to surge.

>

>

> Negative so far

> hyper...Sowmya' s son and he also increased in speech (but this was also when

the

> teacher reported more focused in school - but at home he was hyper) Sowmya

took

> him off for just a few days and he noticeably regressed in speech. She put him

> back on and now she says that even though it may look like hyper - it's not so

> much hyper as he's more interested in everything around him. Teacher asks

> Sowmya what she's doing differently with her son -notices improvement. When

> Sowmya says " today? " She says " no past 4 days " while her son was on the

> nutriiveda.

>

> Barbara CCC SLP is going to stat interviewing parents and the

> professionals that work with the kids on the nutriiveda to see if we can get

> information that's professional anecdotal instead of just from us the parents.

> One of the big questions I'm getting is for autism/biomedical and all the

other

> supplements etc. So far out of those I've spoken to that do biomedical they

> talked with their child's doctor and tried pulling their children off

everything

> but fish oil and nutriiveda for a week. Most surges are within that first week

> anyway so good to see what's working.

>

> We are starting groups at BigTent

>

> Barbara CCC SLP is meeting up with some neuroMDs in her area to discuss

> and will be reporting what she's already seeing in her clients (very

exciting!!)

> She will be starting a section at Big Tent to answer questions from parents

and

> professionals

>

> Sowmya has volunteered to help answer questions about ayurveda

>

> Jolie Abreu and Robin Ketchum will be starting a section to keep everyone up

to

> date with Mel's updates and where you can ask questions and keep track

>

> Dawen Wong offered to start a section at Big Tent for those that speak Chinese

> and to share what she's seeing in her autistic son on the nutriiveda

>

> If anyone wants to start a section on anything (not just nutriiveda since we

> have a few that want to start sections on this already) just email me

> lisa@... or lewis@...

>

> Any other professionals that want to interview any of the families let me

know! Very interesting!

>

> More info at http://www.pursuito fresearch. org http://www.nutraeas y.com and

at our message boards for Cherab

>

> Info about two of the MDs behind it

> Deepak Chopra M.D. is a world-renowned authority in the field of mind-body

healing, a best-selling author, and the founder of the Chopra Center for

Wellbeing. His popularity as an international presenter and keynote speaker is

exemplified by an impressive list of honorariums. For more than a decade, he has

participated as a lecturer at the Update in Internal Medicine event sponsored by

Harvard Medical School's Department of Continuing Education and the Department

of Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. Dr. Chopra is a fellow of the

American College of Physicians, a member of the American Association of Clinical

Endocrinologists, an adjunct professor at Kellogg School of Management, and a

senior scientist with the Gallup Organization.

>

> Dr. Chopra is a renowned author of more than fifty-five books. (14

Bestsellers! ) His writing includes topics on mind-body health, Ayruvedic

Science, spirituality, and peace. Time Magazine call him the " poet-prophet of

alternative medicine. "

>

> Simon M.D. co-founded and assumed the role of medical director of the

Chopra Center for Wellbeing in 1996. He is a board certified neurologist and

recognized as a leading authority in the effective and appropriate use of

mind-body medicine practices, his endeavors have resulted in the training of

thousands of physicians, nurses, and health care providers. One of the first

recipients of a National Institutes of Health grant to study mind-body medical

approaches to improving health care, continues to bring integrated

mind-body medical programs to medical institutions, health centers, educational

institutions, and health resorts throughout the world.

>

> Dr. Simon is the author of many wellness books, including his newest Amazon

best-seller, Free to Love, Free to Heal: Heal Your Body by Healing Your

Emotions.

>

> Product label chocolate

> http://www.up0. net/content/ 666799/Choco_ NutritionFacts. pdf

> Product label vanilla

> http://www.up0. net/content/ 666799/Vanilla_ NutritionFacts. pdf

>

> Ayurvedic ingredients

>

> Gymnema (Gymnema sylvestre)Gymnema (Gymnema sylvestre) Often called the " sugar

destroyer, " Gymnema has been used by Ayurvedic healers to help support healthy

blood sugar levels for thousands of years. In addition, Gymnema supports a

healthy metabolism and acts as a catalyst for the weight management activity of

Garcinia.

> Guggul

>

>

> Guggul (Commiphora mukul)

>

> Known as the " fat killer " in Ayurvedic medicine, Guggul is a powerful resin

extract that comes from the small, thorny mukul myrrh tree. It is known in

Ayurveda for its ability to help rid the body of unwanted fat, increase cellular

fire, and support healthy cholesterol levels and liver function.

> turmeric

>

>

> Turmeric (Curcuma longa)

>

> Turmeric root, one of the most widely studied botanicals today, is often

combined with Amalaki because of the duo’s potency and power. Turmeric

works to boost cardiovascular health by purifying the blood, regulating blood

sugar levels, supporting healthy insulin levels, and promoting a healthy

inflammatory response in the body.

> GreenTea

>

>

> Green Tea (Camellia sinensis)

>

> A powerful antioxidant, green tea contains high concentrated levels of EGCG

that neutralize toxic free radicals within the body. It also works to protect

the DNA, regulate blood sugar levels, increase thermogenesis, and boost energy.

> amalaki

>

>

> Amalaki (Emblica officinalis)

>

> Known as the " great rejuvenator, " Amalaki is revered for over 5,000 years in

Ayurveda for its rejuvenating properties. This superfood promotes energy and

vitality, supports immune function, promotes the digestive system, stabilizes

blood sugar levels, and has an overall rejuvenating effect on the body required

during weight loss.

> haritaki

>

>

> Haritaki (Terminalia chebula)

>

> The date-like Haritaki fruit serves as a gentle and effective detoxifying

agent for the body. Through its astringent taste, the Haritaki stimulates the

metabolic fire of the cells and promotes the body's ability to burn fat.

> cinnamon

>

>

> Cinnamon (Cinnamomum verum)

>

> Used in the Vanilla version of NutriiVeda Cinnamon has a long history both as

a spice and as a medicine. Cinnamon aids with problems in the digestive system

and is high in antioxidants. Seasoning a high carb food with cinnamon can help

lessen its impact on your blood sugar levels. Cinnamon slows the rate at which

the stomach empties after meals, reducing the rise in blood sugar after eating.

> Cayenne

>

>

> Cayenne (Capsicum annuum)

>

> Used in the Chocolate version of NutriiVeda Many herbalists believe that

cayenne acts as a catalyst and increases the effectiveness of other herbs when

used with them. Cayenne is a medicinal and nutritional herb. Medicinally it aids

in elimination and assimilation and promotes the entire digestion system.

Nutritionally it is a very high source of Vitamins A and C, has the complete B

complexes, and is very rich in organic calcium and potassium.

>

> Thanks!

>

> PS even though my neighbor Laurie says I'm not allowed to say this and that

nobody cares about anything under a size 8..I effortlessly went from a size 4 to

a size 2 in about 2 months -and without this no matter how hard I tried and

worked out and watched what I ate -it's hard to lose those last few pounds.

> http://www.facebook .com/topic. php?uid=11502973 5601 & topic= 13047

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

I got an email from someone in the UK we can maybe work through who has a child

with autism. I'm working things out with the company -email me at

lisa@...

We perhaps can do similar things for other countries. The company Zrii only

ships to US, Canada and Mexico...but. (and I can't say anything else but)

Anyway email me- I've been working on it and sounds like we may be able to work

things out!

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[Guest guest]

Sherry I know you have an attorney background so you must be investigative -so

please don't stop digging on this one. Nutriiveda is not your typical whey

protein isolate in that the whey protein isolate in it is almost 100 percent

whey protein / gluten and casein free...and the whey protein isolate as well as

the entire product is 100 percent natural -most whey isolates are not made in a

100 percent natural way. In addition to being gluten and casein free it's also

listed as fat and sodium free -wouldn't MSG be a sodium?

http://www.up0.net/content/666799/Choco_NutritionFacts.pdf

And if what you were talking about is the essential amino acid glutamic acid

which is one of the essential amino acids that make up the protein...well if you

want to avoid that then you'll also be avoiding meat, poultry, fish, eggs, and

dairy products as well as protein-rich plant foods...I don't think so!!!

And if that is what you mean -then you really really really want to look at the

newest research that links a diet rich in essential amino acids to neuro repair

http://www.sflorg.com/comm_center/medical/p974_99.html

If you didn't mean that then there are all different types of whey -including

whey concentrate -I only found one reference to what you are talking about and

they only say " whey powder " which is a bit broad as they are not all the same in

any sense. Some whey powders can be like 30 percent protein -that's it.

http://www.msgtruth.org/avoid.htm So please post your reference.

Either way I'll check with the company tomorrow as it's formulated and endorsed

by leading medical doctors including Dr. Deepak Chopra- and I feel pretty

positive I'll be able to get an answer back on this right away.

Haven't heard from you in a bit -would love to catch up -is everything going OK

(PS send me your number again I dropped my phone off a boat a few months

ago!...not on purpose! haha)

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[Guest guest]

Hi -

 

I think we're talking apples and oranges, so to speak.  I'm not knocking

nutriiveda, so please don't get me wrong on that.  I'm just pointing out that

even though whey protein isolate is pure and natural, even pure and natural

ingredients can create MSG in the processing.  Afterall, MSG itself is a

natural substance (it originally was created from a process involving sea kelp

if I remember correctly).  I'm just pointing out that even stuff that is pure

and natural may have consequences for some folks, and I'm just suggesting that

people make sure of ingredients before using it - whether for themselves or

their kiddoes.  I have copied here some info on MSG by other names, other

substances containing MSG, etc. - it's from a site called truthinlabeling.com.

 

Autolyzed, hydrolyzed, glutamate, glutamic acid, hydrolyzed, autolyzed

HIDDEN SOURCES 

OF PROCESSED FREE GLUTAMIC ACID (MSG) 

NAMES OF INGREDIENTS THAT CONTAIN ENOUGH MSG 

TO SERVE AS COMMON MSG-REACTION TRIGGERS

The MSG-reaction is a reaction to free glutamic acid that occurs in food as a

consequence of manufacture. MSG-sensitive people do not react to protein (which

contains bound glutamic acid) or any of the minute amounts of free glutamic acid

that might be found in unadulterated, unfermented,  unprocessed, food.

 

These ALWAYS contain MSG

Glutamate

(E 620)

Glutamic acid

(E 620)

Monosodium glutamate

(E 621)

Monopotassium glutamate

(E 622)

Calcium glutamate

(E 623)

Monoammonium glutamate (E 624)

Magnesium glutamate

(E 625)

Natrium glutamate (natrium is Latin/German for sodium)

Gelatin

Calcium caseinate

Sodium caseinate

Textured protein

anything " hydrolyzed "

any " hydrolyzed ... protein "

Yeast nutrient

Yeast extract

Yeast food

Autolyzed yeast

Vetsin

Ajinomoto

,

 

These OFTEN contain MSG or create MSG during processing

Carrageenan

Maltodextrin

Malt extract

Natural pork flavoring

Citric acid

Malt flavoring

Bouillon and Broth

Natural chicken flavoring

Soy protein isolate

Natural beef flavoring

Ultra-pasteurized

Soy sauce

Stock

Barley malt

Soy sauce extract

Whey protein concentrate

Pectin

Soy protein

Whey protein

Protease

Soy protein concentrate

Whey protein isolate

Protease enzymes

Anything protein fortified

Flavors(s) & Flavoring(s)

Anything enzyme modified

Anything fermented

Natural flavor(s) 

& flavoring(s)

Enzymes anything

Seasonings 

(the word " seasonings " )

These ingredients work synergistically with MSG to enhance flavor

(If they are present for flavoring purposes, so is MSG)

Disodium 5’-guanylate

(E 627)

Disodium 5’-inosinate

(E 631)

Disodium 5'-ribonucleotides

(E 635)

 

 In ADDITION...

The not so new game is to label hydrolyzed proteins as pea protein, whey

protein, corn protein, etc. If a pea, for example, were whole, it would be

identified as a pea. Calling an ingredient pea protein indicates that the pea

has been hydrolyzed, at least in part, and that processed free glutamic acid

(MSG) is present. Relatively new to the list are wheat protein and soy protein.

Disodium guanylate and disodium inosinate are expensive food additives that work

 

 

From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Nuttriiveda - what is it?

Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 11:42 AM

 

Sherry I know you have an attorney background so you must be investigative -so

please don't stop digging on this one. Nutriiveda is not your typical whey

protein isolate in that the whey protein isolate in it is almost 100 percent

whey protein / gluten and casein free...and the whey protein isolate as well as

the entire product is 100 percent natural -most whey isolates are not made in a

100 percent natural way. In addition to being gluten and casein free it's also

listed as fat and sodium free -wouldn't MSG be a sodium?

http://www.up0. net/content/ 666799/Choco_ NutritionFacts. pdf

And if what you were talking about is the essential amino acid glutamic acid

which is one of the essential amino acids that make up the protein...well if you

want to avoid that then you'll also be avoiding meat, poultry, fish, eggs, and

dairy products as well as protein-rich plant foods...I don't think so!!!

And if that is what you mean -then you really really really want to look at the

newest research that links a diet rich in essential amino acids to neuro repair

http://www.sflorg. com/comm_ center/medical/ p974_99.html

If you didn't mean that then there are all different types of whey -including

whey concentrate -I only found one reference to what you are talking about and

they only say " whey powder " which is a bit broad as they are not all the same in

any sense. Some whey powders can be like 30 percent protein -that's it.

http://www.msgtruth .org/avoid. htm So please post your reference.

Either way I'll check with the company tomorrow as it's formulated and endorsed

by leading medical doctors including Dr. Deepak Chopra- and I feel pretty

positive I'll be able to get an answer back on this right away.

Haven't heard from you in a bit -would love to catch up -is everything going OK

(PS send me your number again I dropped my phone off a boat a few months

ago!...not on purpose! haha)

=====

[Guest guest]

I have looked at one of your references - msgtruth - before for info and looked

again after reading your post below.  As I wrote in my first response where I

included the info from the source I had, all I'm saying is that people need to

read, research, and be careful particularly if you've got a kiddo with allergies

to different substances.  There is a sentence in msgtruth that goes along with

what I wrote before - even natural substances can cause problems for some people

- this was in msgtruth:

 

" Do not trust something simply because it is in a health food store and the

label states it is natural or even organic. The US allows " natural flavors " to

include protein hydrolysates which can contain up to 20% MSG by weight.  A

distinction without a difference. "

 

Granted, that sentence refers to a different substance as an example, but

reading the whole article in msgtruth is a good idea.  It's amazing (and

depending on your point of view, sneaky) how MSG in particular is included in

lots of different things (medicines, shampoos, not just food) and, if not

careful, can cause problems for those with reactions.  So, again, all I'm

saying is for folks to be careful.

 

Sherry and Josh 

From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Nuttriiveda - what is it?

Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 11:42 AM

 

Sherry I know you have an attorney background so you must be investigative -so

please don't stop digging on this one. Nutriiveda is not your typical whey

protein isolate in that the whey protein isolate in it is almost 100 percent

whey protein / gluten and casein free...and the whey protein isolate as well as

the entire product is 100 percent natural -most whey isolates are not made in a

100 percent natural way. In addition to being gluten and casein free it's also

listed as fat and sodium free -wouldn't MSG be a sodium?

http://www.up0. net/content/ 666799/Choco_ NutritionFacts. pdf

And if what you were talking about is the essential amino acid glutamic acid

which is one of the essential amino acids that make up the protein...well if you

want to avoid that then you'll also be avoiding meat, poultry, fish, eggs, and

dairy products as well as protein-rich plant foods...I don't think so!!!

And if that is what you mean -then you really really really want to look at the

newest research that links a diet rich in essential amino acids to neuro repair

http://www.sflorg. com/comm_ center/medical/ p974_99.html

If you didn't mean that then there are all different types of whey -including

whey concentrate -I only found one reference to what you are talking about and

they only say " whey powder " which is a bit broad as they are not all the same in

any sense. Some whey powders can be like 30 percent protein -that's it.

http://www.msgtruth .org/avoid. htm So please post your reference.

Either way I'll check with the company tomorrow as it's formulated and endorsed

by leading medical doctors including Dr. Deepak Chopra- and I feel pretty

positive I'll be able to get an answer back on this right away.

Haven't heard from you in a bit -would love to catch up -is everything going OK

(PS send me your number again I dropped my phone off a boat a few months

ago!...not on purpose! haha)

=====

[Guest guest]

here's another site listing whey protein isolate as potentially containing

MSG: 

http://shop.sixwise.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom & ID=175   

the article there (which is pretty interesting) references the msgtruth.com in

your email as well as the truthinlabeling I referenced in mine.  (I think I put

..com after it - nope - it's truthinlabeling.org - sorry)

 

Sherry and Josh

 

 

 

From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Nuttriiveda - what is it?

Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 11:42 AM

 

Sherry I know you have an attorney background so you must be investigative -so

please don't stop digging on this one. Nutriiveda is not your typical whey

protein isolate in that the whey protein isolate in it is almost 100 percent

whey protein / gluten and casein free...and the whey protein isolate as well as

the entire product is 100 percent natural -most whey isolates are not made in a

100 percent natural way. In addition to being gluten and casein free it's also

listed as fat and sodium free -wouldn't MSG be a sodium?

http://www.up0. net/content/ 666799/Choco_ NutritionFacts. pdf

And if what you were talking about is the essential amino acid glutamic acid

which is one of the essential amino acids that make up the protein...well if you

want to avoid that then you'll also be avoiding meat, poultry, fish, eggs, and

dairy products as well as protein-rich plant foods...I don't think so!!!

And if that is what you mean -then you really really really want to look at the

newest research that links a diet rich in essential amino acids to neuro repair

http://www.sflorg. com/comm_ center/medical/ p974_99.html

If you didn't mean that then there are all different types of whey -including

whey concentrate -I only found one reference to what you are talking about and

they only say " whey powder " which is a bit broad as they are not all the same in

any sense. Some whey powders can be like 30 percent protein -that's it.

http://www.msgtruth .org/avoid. htm So please post your reference.

Either way I'll check with the company tomorrow as it's formulated and endorsed

by leading medical doctors including Dr. Deepak Chopra- and I feel pretty

positive I'll be able to get an answer back on this right away.

Haven't heard from you in a bit -would love to catch up -is everything going OK

(PS send me your number again I dropped my phone off a boat a few months

ago!...not on purpose! haha)

=====

[Guest guest]

I just saw the thing about dropping your phone off the boat!  LOL! 

 

Things have been weird here but are finally calming down.  Since the divorce, I

have taken control of my finances and turned things completely around from when

I was married (amazing how that happens to so many women!).  I bought my first

house and Josh and I moved to a new city, still in IL, but different school

dist.  The one we were in - let's just say if people within the school dist

would have been brave, we would have had an incredible lawsuit - people were

telling me about what they termed verbal and physical abuse toward Josh (and he

did come home with some black and blue marks that no one ever seemed to explain)

- and he was regressing in everything.  Seems there was one aide in particular

who was the source but I could never get anyone to agree to come forward via

affidavit or in court so I knew we'd lose any suit.  So, we just picked up and

left.

 

We're in a great house, a great small neighborhood (my neighbor on one side is a

paramedic - always a nice thing to have around!), and the school district has

been incredible.  Josh is in a self-contained classroom (never was happy about

that but he seems to be thriving!) in a regular ed jr. h.s. (6ht grade!!!!),

loves his teacher and aides.  The third week of school they took a trip over to

the special ed coop for swimming and, whammo, he slipped in the shower and broke

his femur!  So, surgery, a titanium rod, a couple of screws, and many weeks of

recovery, but his leg is just fine (and we'll be back to Special Olympics as

soon as possible). 

 

During the recovery (school dist provided a tutor and, holy cow, did he progress

- hhmmmm, says something about classroom settings!), both the tutor (a former

RN) and one of the live-in aides (had to have aides so I could continue to work)

notice what they believed were seizures - sure enough, had the EEG and neurodoc

confirmed epileptic brain activity.  A couple of weeks ago we did a 24-hour EEG

at Univ. of Chicago and they again confirmed the epileptic activity but,

weirdness of weirdness, not when we all believed he was having seizures!  The

" episodes " we thought were the seizures showed absolutely no abnormal brain

activity - the epileptic activity was during sleep and other activities (like I

was doing puzzles with him and reading) - makes you wonder how that is affecting

educational development - lots more questions for the neurodoc when we go back

in March.

 

But, Josh has been on meds for seizures and, apparently, the real ones are, at

least outwardly, being controlled.  He's talking up a storm, doing just great

academically (still quite far behind but progressing nicely).  I think I'm

loving home ownership, dealing with the ex (as usual), and busy with work.

 

I read the emails here still very often, just rarely have the time to respond as

much as I would like.  Hope all is well with you and your family - jealous of

that Florida weather (even when it's cold, it's nowhere near Chicago's!!)!

 

Sherry and Josh

Haven't heard from you in a bit -would love to catch up -is everything going OK

(PS send me your number again I dropped my phone off a boat a few months

ago!...not on purpose! haha)

=====

[Guest guest]

Sherry I'm going to contact the company tomorrow and ask. The only possible

form of natural MSG you mention that I can gather as the product is sodium free

would be from the protein- the glutamic acid which is part of the protein...and

from what I read if one wants to avoid glutamic acid then they also need to

avoid meat, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy products, and protein-rich plant foods

" Glutamic Acid The most common excitatory (stimulating) neurotransmitter in the

central nervous system, has protective effects on the heart muscle in people

with heart disease. "

http://www.orthomolecular.org/nutrients/proteins.shtml

You've been a member here long enough to know this so reminds me of when they

started warning expectant moms to avoid seafood -which contains the PUFAs so

essential for neurological and other development. It's all balance and options

-probably fish oils are the best way to go in that situation -or fish low on the

food chain like sardines. But not (in many expert opinions today) " no seafood "

which is what happens.

But back to glutamic acid ...I can tell you are very passionate about this (haha

3 long emails from you later!!) -but being you say you have not yet really

explored nutriiveda you should possibly look at the fact that our of the 10 plus

years we've run this group we've NEVER seen any supplement work show surges so

quickly (mostly in a few days) in so many areas, in so many in this group, with

so many different conditions. Have you read 's blog??? And wait till

Robin shares her most recent update.

http://littlemermaidmelanie.wordpress.com/about I mean this is incredible -and

it needs to be studied -I'm sure it will be!

Again -the good thing is all it takes is for me to find out tomorrow direct from

the company. Since even the links you provided don't say " always " for the whey

isolate protein -I'd say this one is probably free of it as it's probably

unlikely that Dr. Deepak Chopra would have MSG in his product as any nutritional

expert I've shared the product ingredients with have been impressed that it

appears they went to great lengths to avoid any possible allergies and provide

the best possible product.

Sit tight -will find out tomorrow for ya!

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[Guest guest]

I am so happy to hear that things are going so awesome now -outside of the break

and seizures

I remember however that Josh was reacting to all the stress when you were first

going through the divorce -so it must be just catch up now which is what it

sounds like and he's making great gains! Thanks fantastic! With the abuse that

went on -this had nothing to do with the same school the amazing Dr. Bob was at

right??? I will be heartbroken if it was -who could we trust if we couldn't

trust Dr. Bob??!! OK a bit dramatic -but really -it has to be he wasn't

involved in the abuse right?

You have got to get in touch with Mel's mom Robin -they 'did' sue the PA school

system for abuse and won. And PS -if you guys ever come to Florida let me know

-I'll meet you since it would probably be at Disney or Universal- we are the

ride family still!

Here's the message I've sent out so many times with advice from Dr. Bob)

And...Here is a great message on how to test children who are

globally apraxic from one of our member's (Sherry) child's doctor -

" Dr. Bob " You can use this in addition to what's in The Late Talker

to help advocate. (Hurray for " Dr. Bob " ! The type of

neuropsychologist we all would love to take our child to)

" Summary of assessment procedures

Children with significant language and motor skills delays

E. Friedle, Ph.D.

Clinical/Neuropsychologist

Formalized assessment of children with low incidence disablitities

does not

often provide accurate or practical information about their cognitive

functioning skills. Such assessmenet does provide evidence that

these

children often have not learned how to respond in direct one-to-one

reciprocal testing situations, or that they are unable to respond in

those

situations due to the nature of their disabilities. The lack of

response

should not be considered then, necessarily, as a global and fixed

delay in

cognitive/intellectual potential. Developmental theorists and

practitioners

have long known that cognitive growth is not only enhanced, but also

dependent upon opportunities to experience a wide variety of sensory

stimuli

in an interactive relationship. Problem solving skills, analytical

reasoning, and decision-making are all formalized, cognitively, when

integration of information is ongoing. Language and motor skill

limitations

often prevent the integration and experiences and thus certain

cognitive

growth waits until such experiences may be provided. Children may

have

learned to problem-solve and reason in ways that are not assessed by

formalized evaluations and are only recognizable when the child is

allowed

to experience sensory information in a manner most productive to

them. It

is often then necessary for the examiner to assess what

opportunities and

experiences the child may have had already, how an assessment may

prompt the

child to show what they can do with various stimuli and how problem

solving,

analytical, and decision making skills can be exhibited by a child

in a

non-formalized approach.

The purpose of an assessment request has to be relevant to the child

and to

their experiences, i.e. the child needs to see some purpose for

providing a

response. A very simple example of this premise is: asking them to

name an

object may result in no response, but asking them to get the object

may show

a knowledgeable response.

Children with language and motor deficits often play within the

restrictions

that their limitations have presented and this " changed " pattern of

play,

from what is seen with non-disabled children, can be a direct

reflection of

their ability to problem solve and reason in play. An example for

this may

be when a child finds that laying things down and flat makes it

easier to

manipulate, or that moving things closer or out of the way

facilitates motor

planning and play. Often the child may see no purpose to expand

experiences, or have not figured out independently how to change

their play

patterns.

Restrictions in movement or language limit the experiences a child

has had

with objects and stimuli. The need to practice simple movements, to

hear

the words that go along with those movements, and then to ask a

child to

duplicate the movements and/or the words can greatly facilitate

cognitive

growth. If a child can readily make such duplicated responses then

the

potential for cognitive growth at that point presents no

limitations. An

examiner can lead the play situation in these types of activities

and note

the ability of the child to engage in the " play " at a different

level. The

purpose is then presented clearly for the child, both for the

language and

for the movement, and thus becomes an active part of their

developmental

growth and understanding. Sometimes showing them or asking them to

change

their approach results in a larger perspective of possibilities in

play.

The examiner is an active participant in the assessment approach,

engaged

with the child in the semi-directed play type of assessment. The

examiner

notes closely when a child shows a lack of understanding of the

language

presented or an inability to make the movements requested. At all

times the

examiner is assessing how well the child appears to follow the

purpose of

the activity or the change in direction of an activity. "

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