Re: Questions about Nutriiveda

[Guest guest]

Oh yes drooling is another lovely area that I am a mom expert on! My oldest son

had terrible issues with drooling and in fact if you are interested I have

a drooling archive (imagine that!)

SO...I know for a fact that drooling has nothing in the slightest to do with

fluid intake from what I have seen. In my son's case it had to do with oral

motor damage to his facial nerves from birth injury as he had crushed facial

nerves, torn neck muscles -extensive damage to the entire face and head etc.

which led of course to eating and breathing problems and was quite severe,

drooling was the least of his issues to say the least.

The funny thing about NV is that it is my opinion it is creating neuro repair

but depending upon the individual it may help in one area or another area. I'm

starting to think those that don't see the same areas of success there may be

other improvements going on...like what you are seeing (and if you aren't sure

if it's the school or NV that is helping...stop the NV for a few days- I know

the answer based on what I've heard in this group now and what I've seen in my

son but new people always doubt it just as they do the fish oils still

So...right now perhaps it's working on the oral motor area in your child where

we mention increased:

FACIAL EXPRESSIONS more non-verbal communication, for oral apraxia more

expressions instead of blank stares when not engaged in conversation

http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html and perhaps we need to include

drooling?

I remember what an issue drooling is...I mean after getting past the more

serious life threatening " GLENN DAKOTA JUST STOPPED BREATHING AGAIN AND HIS EYES

ARE BULGING OUT AND HE'S TURNING RED.... HELP!! " period which would happen at

times if I had him on his back changing his diaper due to the torn neck muscles

right after we first brought him home from the hospital (really- most of you

thank goodness will never know the horror of what poor Dakota went through)

Do I wish I had NV for Dakota? For Tanner as a two year old? You have no idea.

And you know what with this study

http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/health/birth-weight-a-predictor-for-future-chil\

d-development about birth weight -well with Dakota I ate SUPER healthy- juiced,

no junk at all. And Dakota was too large for me, and transverse...from what I

understand only 2 percent of babies are delivered transverse in the US because

it's so dangerous to the mother and the baby...my doctor was on vacation and it

was a new doctor just out of medical school who delivered Dakota and we both

almost died (just in case any of you wonder why I don't just take advice now

from anyone without question and am amazed at how quickly some of you will drop

something that is working for " advice " from especially people who I feel have no

right in a neurological area- other than as a side addition to a primary

neurological medical doctor)

Anyway....just wanted to share and admit that I actually deliberately ate

poorly, not horrible but I did even eat Mc s when pregnant with Tanner

because I was TERRIFIED for both of us that Tanner too would be too large for my

birth canal as Dakota was...in my ignorant and at the time still traumatized

mind I figured this was the best thing to do -don't eat 'as' well -as that is

how most of my friends eat anyway...and Tanner won't grow as much. Tanner

wasn't as big as Dakota- but don't even ask what guilt I had as I've expressed

her prior to how I ate when pregnant with Tanner vs. Dakota. Then again

Tanner's delivery was a cake walk -even had new age music playing at St Barnabas

hospital in NJ.

Anyway the point being don't ask how horrific it is for me to read in that

article that what the baby consumes after birth doesn't have as much impact on

the brain as while in utero during brain development. Oh the guilt!!! But you

know...NV has been once again to me a life saver in so many ways. I can't

imagine either of my boys doing any better than they are in all ways.

So....maybe the researchers behind the study just don't know about NV yet

-because in my opinion it does not only make up for what was lost during

pregnancy, but at least in my son Tanner's case it also clearly corrected

whatever regression was created by the massive vitamin e which I also felt so

guilty about putting him on...but we live and learn. So sorry this is so far

off the topic from drooling but now you see how it is being me the way my mind

works. Drooling, Dakota, Tanner etc. ha!

But back to liquid intake with NV...there is even liquids in the foods we eat

-even bread and crackers! It is an approximate amount we all should consume

daily whether or not you are taking NV...it's just that as we all know most of

us walk around daily dehydrated. If you 'feel' thirsty -you are probably

already slightly dehydrated. I carry a water bottle with me everywhere. But

yes -can be juice, milk, watermelon etc. Here's a page on that.

http://pursuitofresearch.org/faq.html#serve

Again I am currently working on TWO new websites that will cover both NV as well

as the importance of whole foods in general for health with as much current

research out there all in one place to make it easy...and in hopes to raise

awareness that good health doesn't have to be complex and expensive. Right now

the only thing that is new is the theory page up at the pursuit site -but stay

tuned.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I would be very interested in the drooling archive. Thanks.

>

> Oh yes drooling is another lovely area that I am a mom expert on! My oldest

son had terrible issues with drooling and in fact if you are interested I

have a drooling archive (imagine that!)

>

> SO...I know for a fact that drooling has nothing in the slightest to do with

fluid intake from what I have seen. In my son's case it had to do with oral

motor damage to his facial nerves from birth injury as he had crushed facial

nerves, torn neck muscles -extensive damage to the entire face and head etc.

which led of course to eating and breathing problems and was quite severe,

drooling was the least of his issues to say the least.

>

> The funny thing about NV is that it is my opinion it is creating neuro repair

but depending upon the individual it may help in one area or another area. I'm

starting to think those that don't see the same areas of success there may be

other improvements going on...like what you are seeing (and if you aren't sure

if it's the school or NV that is helping...stop the NV for a few days- I know

the answer based on what I've heard in this group now and what I've seen in my

son but new people always doubt it just as they do the fish oils still

So...right now perhaps it's working on the oral motor area in your child where

we mention increased:

> FACIAL EXPRESSIONS more non-verbal communication, for oral apraxia more

expressions instead of blank stares when not engaged in conversation

> http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html and perhaps we need to include

drooling?

>

> I remember what an issue drooling is...I mean after getting past the more

serious life threatening " GLENN DAKOTA JUST STOPPED BREATHING AGAIN AND HIS EYES

ARE BULGING OUT AND HE'S TURNING RED.... HELP!! " period which would happen at

times if I had him on his back changing his diaper due to the torn neck muscles

right after we first brought him home from the hospital (really- most of you

thank goodness will never know the horror of what poor Dakota went through)

>

> Do I wish I had NV for Dakota? For Tanner as a two year old? You have no

idea. And you know what with this study

http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/health/birth-weight-a-predictor-for-future-chil\

d-development about birth weight -well with Dakota I ate SUPER healthy- juiced,

no junk at all. And Dakota was too large for me, and transverse...from what I

understand only 2 percent of babies are delivered transverse in the US because

it's so dangerous to the mother and the baby...my doctor was on vacation and it

was a new doctor just out of medical school who delivered Dakota and we both

almost died (just in case any of you wonder why I don't just take advice now

from anyone without question and am amazed at how quickly some of you will drop

something that is working for " advice " from especially people who I feel have no

right in a neurological area- other than as a side addition to a primary

neurological medical doctor)

>

> Anyway....just wanted to share and admit that I actually deliberately ate

poorly, not horrible but I did even eat Mc s when pregnant with Tanner

because I was TERRIFIED for both of us that Tanner too would be too large for my

birth canal as Dakota was...in my ignorant and at the time still traumatized

mind I figured this was the best thing to do -don't eat 'as' well -as that is

how most of my friends eat anyway...and Tanner won't grow as much. Tanner

wasn't as big as Dakota- but don't even ask what guilt I had as I've expressed

her prior to how I ate when pregnant with Tanner vs. Dakota. Then again

Tanner's delivery was a cake walk -even had new age music playing at St Barnabas

hospital in NJ.

>

> Anyway the point being don't ask how horrific it is for me to read in that

article that what the baby consumes after birth doesn't have as much impact on

the brain as while in utero during brain development. Oh the guilt!!! But you

know...NV has been once again to me a life saver in so many ways. I can't

imagine either of my boys doing any better than they are in all ways.

So....maybe the researchers behind the study just don't know about NV yet

-because in my opinion it does not only make up for what was lost during

pregnancy, but at least in my son Tanner's case it also clearly corrected

whatever regression was created by the massive vitamin e which I also felt so

guilty about putting him on...but we live and learn. So sorry this is so far

off the topic from drooling but now you see how it is being me the way my mind

works. Drooling, Dakota, Tanner etc. ha!

>

> But back to liquid intake with NV...there is even liquids in the foods we eat

-even bread and crackers! It is an approximate amount we all should consume

daily whether or not you are taking NV...it's just that as we all know most of

us walk around daily dehydrated. If you 'feel' thirsty -you are probably

already slightly dehydrated. I carry a water bottle with me everywhere. But

yes -can be juice, milk, watermelon etc. Here's a page on that.

http://pursuitofresearch.org/faq.html#serve

>

> Again I am currently working on TWO new websites that will cover both NV as

well as the importance of whole foods in general for health with as much current

research out there all in one place to make it easy...and in hopes to raise

awareness that good health doesn't have to be complex and expensive. Right now

the only thing that is new is the theory page up at the pursuit site -but stay

tuned.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

The search is down again -but I was able to find this through our BigTent

group which doesn't have as great of a search. I know there is more than this

-but it's a start for a really great suggestion that worked for us for Dakota:

From 2001

Re: Doctors appt. " miracle child "

Hi Angi!

I have a suggestion about the drooling. My younger son Tanner who

has oral and verbal apraxia (and hypotonia and SI) never had a

drooling problem-but my older son Dakota who had birth trauma with

crushed facial nerves and torn neck muscles among other head and neck

injuries had a great deal of breathing, eating and feeding, and

drooling problems.

When you look at and he is drooling, take your finger

and run it down your throat and say " swallow " to remind him to

swallow. After awhile, you do not need to say " swallow " you will

only have to run your finger down your throat as a sign for him to

remind them to swallow. This way it doesn't draw attention to him

and embarrass him in public situations. It worked for Dakota-he hasn't drooled

in years.

I know how scary the neurologist is-not really with Tanner, even

though he is the reason I started the Children's Apraxia Network and

the CHERAB group-but I know because of Dakota. Even though both of

my sons were " late talkers " Dakota's injuries were life threatening

and could have been life disabling. Dakota's therapy began at birth.

His one neurologist some of you

in NJ may know Dr. DeSouza -who is wonderful. When Dakota was two

years old Dr. DeSouza brought my husband Glenn and me into his office

and looked at us very serious and told us " Dakota has a 6 month

delay, and due to the amount of injury he sustained at birth, nobody

can tell you right now whether that delay will be permanent or not "

I just sat there and cried and cried. He also however gave us one

bit of hope and we grabbed it...He said, " do whatever you can to

stimulate his brain during this year-there is a huge window in birth

to three " ...and then went in to talk about some of the windows that

are there after three that are a bit smaller. He suggested for brain

stimulation -music, colors, computers, playing, " exposing Dakota to

as much as possible " -and that's what we did. It was only after

searching for Tanner that I found this link that talked about some of

what Dr. DeSouza suggested for Dakota- The site from Vanderbilt

University Hospital used to talk about brain stimulation helping

children who had brain injuries. It now goes more into Sowell and

his theory-but it's still from the same hospital-I don't know why

they took down the other info. anyway-here is one of the links to

get you there. http://latetalking.com/helping%20communication.htm

I'll never forget when Dakota was about three years old, his favorite

movie was Disney's Aristocats, and he used to ask for it by

saying " mee-ah " and would stick his tongue out on the " ah " part. It

just broke my heart to watch him say that-or anything, or struggle to

learn to do everything, hold up his head, turn his head, not be able

to move his head certain ways, eat, sit up with a boppy-he never

crawled. We just didn't know if he was going to be mentally

challenged or not-but I fought back crying and just worked and worked

every day with Dakota-I was obsessive about it (who...me?)

Well " Leap Years " to today at seven years old in second grade and

mainstreamed since Kindergarten...(and Dr. Agin wait till you see

this!) Dakota is now in the " excelled " class for the top 96% in math

and english. He's reading the Judy Blume books like " Tales of the

Forth Grade Nothing " and " Super Fudge " and " Fudgeamania " in his spare

time and " can't wait till she writes more because mommy she is

hysterical " (he hears his cousins say that about the Harry Potter

books)

Every night-Dakota reads at least one book to his brother Tanner

because that's his job-and he takes it seriously (that I gave him as

big brother) Dakota still gets speech therapy in school because of

the oral motor weakness which is still there-but so subtle that

unless you were a professional you would not notice it. He sounds

fine when he talks-he just has a bit of mild residual weakness that

the school picked up.

Dakota loves school and loves his friends and thinks that second

grade is much easier than first grade and is getting 100% plus extra

credit on most of his tests today. I am so proud of him. Thinking

back I never gave up hope, and I never wanted to look back and say I

wish I did this or that. No matter how Dakota ended up, I know that

we did whatever we could for him-just like all of you guys in this

group are. That's why I know I can tell you that miracles do happen,

and that children never cease to amaze us, the parents...or their

doctors either! Quite a few doctors have called Dakota the miracle

child-but is it a miracle-or was it Early Intervention? Maybe both?

Angie-good luck with , the next " miracle child " ?!

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