Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Thanks for posting this! Very interesting! I wondered when our DAN doctor mentioned titer testing for our son at his next appt., indicating that if he didn't show immunity (since he's had him MMR before, but not the 5 yr booster) it would give us a better picture of his immune system as a whole. I know I didn't show immunity to rubella and chicken pox when tested, even though I had ALL of the childhood diseases as a child - chicken pox, rubella, measles, and mumps. And now I wonder if the vaccines helped at all, and if building immunity, either naturally (from getting the illness) or via vaccine is genetic? So much we just don't know! Dianne > > Becky I found this about those that are vaccinated getting the mumps -below is information on that from the State of NJ > > RECENT MUMPS CASES IN NEW JERSEY > Is there currently a mumps outbreak in NJ? > > Yes. In July 2009, the largest U.S. mumps outbreak since 2006 has occurred, with cases reported in multiple locations, including NY and NJ. As of February 16, 2010, 246 cases have been reported in NJ. The outbreak has primarily remained confined to a tradition-observant religious community and the majority of ill persons have been vaccinated with a mumps-containing vaccine. > > Is the mumps virus circulating in New Jersey and New York in 2010 different from the usual mumps strain? > > No, the same strain has caused past outbreaks in the United States and the United Kingdom. The current MMR vaccine covers this strain. > Some people who have had both doses of the recommended MMR vaccine (to protect against measles, mumps, and rubella disease) are still getting mumps. > > Does that mean that the vaccine is not effective? > No, the mumps vaccine is effective. During outbreaks, we know that the people who have not been vaccinated against mumps have a much greater chance of getting mumps than those who are vaccinated. As with any vaccine, not everyone who is vaccinated will develop immunity and be protected. For the mumps vaccine, 90% of people will be protected after receiving the recommended 2 vaccines but about 10% of individuals will not develop immunity and remain susceptible. So we expect that during an outbreak when many, many people are being exposed every day, some people will get the mumps. > > The following example will explain this further. > > • > After 2 doses of the mumps vaccine, 90% of people will be protected, 10% will not be protected. > • > This means out of every 100 people vaccinated, 90 will be protected. However, the vaccine will not " take " in 10 people, and these people will remain susceptible to the disease. > • > By comparison, the measles vaccine (also part of the MMR vaccine) is about 98% effective and the annual influenza vaccine is about 70-85% effective. > Example 1: > In a community of 100 people, 100% have been vaccinated. Everyone is exposed to mumps. What happens? > • > 90 people (90%) in the community are protected by the vaccine and do not get mumps. > • > 10 people (10%) in the community become ill with mumps because the vaccine did not " take " . > • > Of the 10 people who get mumps, all (100%) have been vaccinated. > Example 2: > In a community of 100, 98% have been vaccinated. That means 98 people are vaccinated and 2 people are not. Everyone is exposed to mumps. What happens? > • > 88 people (90% of the 98 who are vaccinated) in the community are protected by the vaccine and do not get mumps. > • > 10 people (10% of the 98 who are vaccinated) become ill with mumps because the vaccine did not " take " . > • > 2 people who have never been vaccinated get ill because they have no immunity to the disease. > • > Of the 12 (10 vaccinated +2 unvaccinated) people who get mumps, 83% (10/12) were vaccinated. > > Thus a large percent of the people with mumps have been vaccinated. This is expected in a highly vaccinated population when dealing with a vaccine that is 90% effective and a contagious disease like mumps. This does not mean that the vaccine is not working; in fact the mumps vaccine is working as expected. Most people who are vaccinated are not getting sick. You have to remember that during outbreaks many, many people are exposed every day – 90% of them are not getting sick because they have been protected by the vaccine. > > http://www.state.nj.us/health/cd/documents/mumps/mumps_public_faq.pdf > > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 I agree that parents should carefully consider each shot, and look at the risks for your area, the benefits, and your own family's history. Liralen > > I've always thought that the later and the slower, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 I know. It was horrible!! The other ped practice in town is much more expensive and will not take families that don't fully vax. And now this practice seems to be following suit. There are no other Dr's who take children under the age of five in my town, so I need to start looking around in the surrounding towns. My own family Dr. has a great holistic attitude, but doesn't have the insurance for under 5's and so once my son is five, I'll take him there. Liralen > > Liralen- > > in my honest and humble opinion, the very fact that she tried to " divide > and conquer " with you and your husband tells me that you need a new ped! > Don't hesitate-- RUN to find another one. > The second factor is that she bullied you into making the decision, and to > top if off with the proverbial cherry-- she threatened you if you did say > now. > > Truly-- find a new Ped-- SOON > > Bek > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Thanks!1 We went to the library yesterday and I cleaned out the shelf on vax's (3 books) One is an older edition of this book, so although some of the material is dates, I'm still reading through. It presents the material without alot of fear mongering, which I find in many vaccine guides, both pro or con. I have not read the measles chapter, but the risk of Rubella isn't for children, according to this Dr, but to pregnant ladies. The risk of Mumps isn't to children again, but young men. If a pregnant lady gets Rubella there is a very large % that her child will miscarry or be mentally damaged. If a man gets Mumps there is a smaller, but still large % of sterility. When they were deciding on MMR vaccine and where it fit into the schedule, there was a debate b/t requiring it for all children (carriers of the diseases) or Rubella for young ladies and Mumps for young men in their teens. They decided, according to this book, that it would be easier to enforce compliance with toddlers/babies than with young people. Unfortunately the immunity seems to last only 14 years, so adults are at risk. They also thought that by vax'ing toddlers, they could eradicate MMR, but that has been proven ineffective (as the outbreak in NY shows) At this point, I am leaning towards holding off and vaxing him for Mumps as a teen. Also I am not immune to Rubella anymore and we are wanting another child, so I am going to get the booster. I have many websites to wade through and I am still reading my library books, so this may change. When it comes to MMR and autism, I think that you can not look at one thing to cause such a complex problem. I suspect that these kids have all sorts of environmental toxins that turn on and off the genes, maybe the parents have DDT or other pesticides in their blood still, vaccines, food choices the toddler makes...sometimes it just takes one more thing to push a person over. I really believe each parent should look carefully at the information and make decisions based on their live and family history. It is not a one size fits all, as many of us know. The thing that I am frustrated about is that there is so much obfuscation and fear being peddled, like I said before, on both sides. This is something that we feel very strongly about, so I want to thank all who have sent links and made comments for my family to consider, and for keeping this from falling into needless and potentially hurtful debate. Liralen > > Another great resource on vaccine INFORMATION (not pro or con, but rather > information to do with as you see fit) > > _http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Guide-Benefits-Children-Adults/dp/1556434235/ > ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1267936268 & sr=8-1-spell_ > (http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Guide-Benefits-Children-Adults/dp/1556434235/ref=\ sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s > =books & qid=1267936268 & sr=8-1-spell) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Hello, I just wanted to add to this. My child had all his shots on time. He had a reaction to the Chicken Pox one. He also lost words. We had a DX for Apraxia, then Expressive Language Disorder, now Phonological Processing disorder. he talks wonderfully in long sentences and ALL the time!~( He is 4 1/2 yrs old) But his articulation is very tricky, anyway, his Kindergarten shots are coming up. The MMR and Chicken Pox. My anxiety was high, I just couldn't do it, not yet. I need him to be bigger, stronger and have better speech, so I had a blood draw for the titers. Guess what?? He DOES NOT NEED the 2nd shots. His antibodies are within the immnutity range. I am happy, his Dr is happy and the school will have all the medical documents it needs. IF he was low, I was going to try to wait a year. I beleive in vaccines, but not how or when they are given. I will test his titers as necessary and hopefully it will be a few years before he needs anything. I have learned that only about 15 % of the population actually need the 2nd shots but they give them to everyone as it is easier than checking titers, so I have read. I just thought that someone somewhwere could use my experience. This may not help the original poster with the 1 st shots, but it may help someone else. Thanks Lynn > > I am confused, " I have heard it said a few times that vaccinations are believed as causation in about 35% of autism cases " >  > WHO said this? You just " heard it " ...??? >  > As the person who originally started this thread said- she was looking for info, not to start a huge debate. Everyone will do what they feel is best for their particular situation, but as a parent, I dont find statements such as above very helpful without the facts/names/studies to back it up. >  > So please, especially for those posting alarming information, such as the above, please provide ALL the information so each parent can decide for themseleves instead of just being scared. >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 how did they check his titers? How much did it cost? > > > > I am confused, " I have heard it said a few times that vaccinations are believed as causation in about 35% of autism cases " > >  > > WHO said this? You just " heard it " ...??? > >  > > As the person who originally started this thread said- she was looking for info, not to start a huge debate. Everyone will do what they feel is best for their particular situation, but as a parent, I dont find statements such as above very helpful without the facts/names/studies to back it up. > >  > > So please, especially for those posting alarming information, such as the above, please provide ALL the information so each parent can decide for themseleves instead of just being scared. > >  > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Hi, For titers, his Dr wrote a lab script. We drew blood, 3 vials. I have been told that my insurance may not pay. i do not know the cost unless I get a bill. I will let you know, however the cost of the titers test will be no where near the possible cost of giving him vaccines he didn't need. > > > > > > I am confused, " I have heard it said a few times that vaccinations are believed as causation in about 35% of autism cases " > > >  > > > WHO said this? You just " heard it " ...??? > > >  > > > As the person who originally started this thread said- she was looking for info, not to start a huge debate. Everyone will do what they feel is best for their particular situation, but as a parent, I dont find statements such as above very helpful without the facts/names/studies to back it up. > > >  > > > So please, especially for those posting alarming information, such as the above, please provide ALL the information so each parent can decide for themseleves instead of just being scared. > > >  > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Oh course, I'm curious b/c one of my friends was asking me about it, and I know that I need a Rubella booster, but I would like my husband to be checked for Mumps. I bet it is such a relief for you to find out he's good. Liralen > > > Hi, > For titers, his Dr wrote a lab script. We drew blood, 3 vials. I have been told that my insurance may not pay. i do not know the cost unless I get a bill. I will let you know, however the cost of the titers test will be no where near the possible cost of giving him vaccines he didn't need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 As far as the mumps--I had them and had no side effects. One of my children had them and had no side effects. Several of my kids had whooping cough and did fine. Yet, having chosen not to vaccinate, they all were breastfed and we did try to eat healthy etc to keep immune system strong. It is a very hard decision, whether or not to vaccinate. Every parent has to make an informed decision. What I have found to be true, after twenty years of parenting and researching vaccines, is that research takes 10 years to become accepted and used by pediatricians. I've had pediatricians get angry and act like I was completely mislead, and then ten years later, the American Academy of Pediatrics adopts the practices based upon the research I had shared ten years previous. I never got a letter of apology! So, due to my experience of seeing my crackpot quackery becoming medical practice---- I tend to see that the research I read about vaccines being harmful was " truth " and changes were ultimately made to the DPT, polio shot, and with the mercury etc. Yet, over the past 20 years even more vaccines have been added and suddenly there has been a huge increase in autism--it is ridiculous. How long will it take to make changes in each of these new vaccines? Also, even if a child didn't get vaccines, was the child ever in the hospital and have to receive meds? Our special needs son has not had vaccines, yet has had to have meds for asthma, pneumonia etc that I think have affected him. He is 5 and has DS and dyspraxia and SI. Colleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Oh, boy, there is so much out there about autism and vaccines, not just the MMR but those with mercury. I'll defer to others to provide the best info on that. But to answer her question about the kids with autism who weren't vaccinated--ask her to name them. What children with autism does she know that weren't vaccinated? If there are any, then ask her if the mom's had mercury fillings or any mercury-containing vaccines while pregnant (or any time, really). Get specific. Make people think about what they're asking and have them come up with the answers rather than expecting to be spoonfed reasons they can reject. Tell her she knows this is an issue so if it happens to her child, she cannot pretend to be ignorant about it. She is forewarned. And tell her autism is but one condition to worry about. There are so, so many more (asthma, allergies, auto-immune diseases, death...) Get her to read Neil 's books. Remind her that no vaccines are guaranteed to work. Winnie MMRVaccinations > I need help. My friend told me today that she is putting her > son (5 months) on a vaccine schedule and she was specifically > asking me about the MMR shot and autism.> > She also wants an answer to "what about the kids with autism who > aren't vaccinated?" > > I gave her this link about MMR: > http://drtenpenny.com/MMR_vac_not_holy_water.aspx> > What else can I give her?> > My ultimate goal here is to have her STOP vaccinating, at least > I have her beginning to question her decision. It has only > taken me 3 years!> > Adelyn > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 The only child I know not vaccinated live near a TOXIC mercury plant!"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it"http://www.vaccinesafetyfirst.com/Home.htmlFrom: wharrison@... <wharrison@...>Subject: Re: MMRVaccinations Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 9:19 PM Oh, boy, there is so much out there about autism and vaccines, not just the MMR but those with mercury. I'll defer to others to provide the best info on that. But to answer her question about the kids with autism who weren't vaccinated--ask her to name them. What children with autism does she know that weren't vaccinated? If there are any, then ask her if the mom's had mercury fillings or any mercury-containing vaccines while pregnant (or any time, really). Get specific. Make people think about what they're asking and have them come up with the answers rather than expecting to be spoonfed reasons they can reject. Tell her she knows this is an issue so if it happens to her child, she cannot pretend to be ignorant about it. She is forewarned. And tell her autism is but one condition to worry about. There are so, so many more (asthma, allergies, auto-immune diseases, death...) Get her to read Neil 's books. Remind her that no vaccines are guaranteed to work. Winnie MMRVaccinations > I need help. My friend told me today that she is putting her > son (5 months) on a vaccine schedule and she was specifically > asking me about the MMR shot and autism.> > She also wants an answer to "what about the kids with autism who > aren't vaccinated?" > > I gave her this link about MMR: > http://drtenpenny.com/MMR_vac_not_holy_water.aspx> > What else can I give her?> > My ultimate goal here is to have her STOP vaccinating, at least > I have her beginning to question her decision. It has only > taken me 3 years!> > Adelyn > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 thats really a good question. I always wondered what the percentage of autistic children are non vaccinated children .... compared to those who were .... is there a study on that ? deb On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Chollick <lchollick@...> wrote: The only child I know not vaccinated live near a TOXIC mercury plant! " The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it " http://www.vaccinesafetyfirst.com/Home.html From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...>Subject: Re: MMRVaccinations Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 9:19 PM Oh, boy, there is so much out there about autism and vaccines, not just the MMR but those with mercury. I'll defer to others to provide the best info on that. But to answer her question about the kids with autism who weren't vaccinated--ask her to name them. What children with autism does she know that weren't vaccinated? If there are any, then ask her if the mom's had mercury fillings or any mercury-containing vaccines while pregnant (or any time, really). Get specific. Make people think about what they're asking and have them come up with the answers rather than expecting to be spoonfed reasons they can reject. Tell her she knows this is an issue so if it happens to her child, she cannot pretend to be ignorant about it. She is forewarned. And tell her autism is but one condition to worry about. There are so, so many more (asthma, allergies, auto-immune diseases, death...) Get her to read Neil 's books. Remind her that no vaccines are guaranteed to work. Winnie MMRVaccinations > I need help. My friend told me today that she is putting her > son (5 months) on a vaccine schedule and she was specifically > asking me about the MMR shot and autism.> > She also wants an answer to " what about the kids with autism who > aren't vaccinated? " > > I gave her this link about MMR: > http://drtenpenny.com/MMR_vac_not_holy_water.aspx > > What else can I give her?> > My ultimate goal here is to have her STOP vaccinating, at least > I have her beginning to question her decision. It has only > taken me 3 years!> > Adelyn > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 no, no study but those that I know that are thought be unvaccinated: 1. they really got hep b vax at birth and parents didn't know 2. there were antibiotics involved during pregnancy, labor and delivery or post delivery directly to baby or via breastmilk. All that I know have antibiotics in their history. I think they are close to being as dangerous as vaccines Sheri At 05:32 PM 2/22/2011, you wrote: thats really a good question. I always wondered what the percentage of autistic children are non vaccinated children .... compared to those who were .... is there a study on that ? deb On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Chollick <lchollick@... > wrote: The only child I know not vaccinated live near a TOXIC mercury plant! " The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it " http://www.vaccinesafetyfirst.com/Home.html From: wharrison@... <wharrison@... > Subject: Re: MMR To: Vaccinations Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 9:19 PM Oh, boy, there is so much out there about autism and vaccines, not just the MMR but those with mercury. I'll defer to others to provide the best info on that. But to answer her question about the kids with autism who weren't vaccinated--ask her to name them. What children with autism does she know that weren't vaccinated? If there are any, then ask her if the mom's had mercury fillings or any mercury-containing vaccines while pregnant (or any time, really). Get specific. Make people think about what they're asking and have them come up with the answers rather than expecting to be spoonfed reasons they can reject. Tell her she knows this is an issue so if it happens to her child, she cannot pretend to be ignorant about it. She is forewarned. And tell her autism is but one condition to worry about. There are so, so many more (asthma, allergies, auto-immune diseases, death...) Get her to read Neil 's books. Remind her that no vaccines are guaranteed to work. Winnie MMR To: Vaccinations > I need help. My friend told me today that she is putting her > son (5 months) on a vaccine schedule and she was specifically > asking me about the MMR shot and autism. > > She also wants an answer to " what about the kids with autism who > aren't vaccinated? " > > I gave her this link about MMR: > http://drtenpenny.com/MMR_vac_not_holy_water.aspx > > What else can I give her? > > My ultimate goal here is to have her STOP vaccinating, at least > I have her beginning to question her decision. It has only > taken me 3 years! > > Adelyn > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I agree with Sheri,The use of antibiotics is a significant factor in the development of autism for some children. When I was conducting research for my book, I spoke with/emailed many parents of children on the spectrum--for those children with autism who were unvaxxed, invariably there was a prior history of antibiotic use (either heavy use in the mother preconception, during pregnancy, during labor, or in the infant). Sometimes this antibiotic use can even go back several generations (e.g. the grandmother). There also tended to be other environmental exposures in the mother that disrupted gut flora (a key part of the autism 'puzzle') including long term birth control use, use of PPIs (reflux meds) or other gut-altering medications, in addition to toxin exposures (e.g. exposure to agricultural pesticides, mercury amalgams, etc.). There are children on the spectrum who are unvaxxed and this serves to remind us that the etiology of autism is MULTIFACTORIAL --with vaccines and history of antibiotic use (and usually both combined) being at the top of the list of risk factors. Beth LambertAuthor, A Compromised Generation: The Epidemic of Chronic Illness in America's Childrenwww.acompromisedgeneration.comwww.epidemicanswers.orgFrom: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...>Vaccinations Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 12:37:01 AMSubject: Re: MMR no, no study but those that I know that are thought be unvaccinated: 1. they really got hep b vax at birth and parents didn't know 2. there were antibiotics involved during pregnancy, labor and delivery or post delivery directly to baby or via breastmilk. All that I know have antibiotics in their history. I think they are close to being as dangerous as vaccines Sheri At 05:32 PM 2/22/2011, you wrote: thats really a good question. I always wondered what the percentage of autistic children are non vaccinated children .... compared to those who were .... is there a study on that ? deb On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Chollick <lchollick@... > wrote: The only child I know not vaccinated live near a TOXIC mercury plant! "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it" http://www.vaccinesafetyfirst.com/Home.html From: wharrison@... <wharrison@... > Subject: Re: MMR To: Vaccinations Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 9:19 PM Oh, boy, there is so much out there about autism and vaccines, not just the MMR but those with mercury. I'll defer to others to provide the best info on that. But to answer her question about the kids with autism who weren't vaccinated--ask her to name them. What children with autism does she know that weren't vaccinated? If there are any, then ask her if the mom's had mercury fillings or any mercury-containing vaccines while pregnant (or any time, really). Get specific. Make people think about what they're asking and have them come up with the answers rather than expecting to be spoonfed reasons they can reject. Tell her she knows this is an issue so if it happens to her child, she cannot pretend to be ignorant about it. She is forewarned. And tell her autism is but one condition to worry about. There are so, so many more (asthma, allergies, auto-immune diseases, death...) Get her to read Neil 's books. Remind her that no vaccines are guaranteed to work. Winnie MMR To: Vaccinations > I need help. My friend told me today that she is putting her > son (5 months) on a vaccine schedule and she was specifically > asking me about the MMR shot and autism. > > She also wants an answer to "what about the kids with autism who > aren't vaccinated?" > > I gave her this link about MMR: > http://drtenpenny.com/MMR_vac_not_holy_water.aspx > > What else can I give her? > > My ultimate goal here is to have her STOP vaccinating, at least > I have her beginning to question her decision. It has only > taken me 3 years! > > Adelyn > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 You can tell her my son is. He has never had a vaccine and has classic autism… not just asperger’s. I also have 1 unvaxxed kid w/ asperger’s and 1 that only had shots at age 2 who has asperger’s Nita, mom to: 18, Jon 16, 14, 12, 9, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 5, Isaac 3 and , due 3/2011 http://momof6.dotphoto.com for possibly current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. She also wants an answer to " what about the kids with autism who aren't vaccinated? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Yes, the unvaccinated cases I've seen have some kind of toxic load history from the parents and/or environment. Others have that plus other stresses that affected the nervous system and other areas. Liz > > From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...> > Subject: Re: MMR > Vaccinations > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 9:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Oh, boy, there is so much out there about autism and vaccines, not just the MMR but those with mercury. I'll defer to others to provide the best info on that. But to answer her question about the kids with autism who weren't vaccinated--ask her to name them. What children with autism does she know that weren't vaccinated? If there are any, then ask her if the mom's had mercury fillings or any mercury-containing vaccines while pregnant (or any time, really). >  > Get specific. Make people think about what they're asking and have them come up with the answers rather than expecting to be spoonfed reasons they can reject. Tell her she knows this is an issue so if it happens to her child, she cannot pretend to be ignorant about it. She is forewarned. >  > And tell her autism is but one condition to worry about. There are so, so many more (asthma, allergies, auto-immune diseases, death...) Get her to read Neil 's books.  Remind her that no vaccines are guaranteed to work. >  > Winnie > > MMR > Vaccinations > > > I need help. My friend told me today that she is putting her > > son (5 months) on a vaccine schedule and she was specifically > > asking me about the MMR shot and autism. > > > > She also wants an answer to " what about the kids with autism who > > aren't vaccinated? " > > > > I gave her this link about MMR: > > http://drtenpenny.com/MMR_vac_not_holy_water.aspx > > > > What else can I give her? > > > > My ultimate goal here is to have her STOP vaccinating, at least > > I have her beginning to question her decision. It has only > > taken me 3 years! > > > > Adelyn > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Thank you for all of the input. Last night she was telling me " A lot of the ingredients in vaccines are found in foods we eat all the time. " I just said " that is why we need to eat whole foods, not foods with preservatives. " I wish I had good answers to all of the questions I get about vaccines, but I don't. I am glad I can come here for help. Thank you all. > > > > > > > >From: wharrison@... <wharrison@... > > > > >Subject: Re: MMR > > > >Vaccinations > > > >Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 9:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh, boy, there is so much out there about autism and vaccines, not just the MMR > >but those with mercury. I'll defer to others to provide the best info on that. > >But to answer her question about the kids with autism who weren't > >vaccinated--ask her to name them. What children with autism does she know that > >weren't vaccinated? If there are any, then ask her if the mom's had mercury > >fillings or any mercury-containing vaccines while pregnant (or any time, > >really). > > > > > > > > > >Get specific. Make people think about what they're asking and have them come up > >with the answers rather than expecting to be spoonfed reasons they can reject. > >Tell her she knows this is an issue so if it happens to her child, she cannot > >pretend to be ignorant about it. She is forewarned. > > > > > > > >And tell her autism is but one condition to worry about. There are so, so many > >more (asthma, allergies, auto-immune diseases, death...) Get her to read Neil > >'s books. Remind her that no vaccines are guaranteed to work. > > > > > > > > > >Winnie > > > > > > MMR > > > >Vaccinations > > > > > >> I need help. My friend told me today that she is putting her > > > >> son (5 months) on a vaccine schedule and she was specifically > > > >> asking me about the MMR shot and autism. > > > >> > > > >> She also wants an answer to " what about the kids with autism who > > > >> aren't vaccinated? " > > > >> > > > >> I gave her this link about MMR: > > > >> http://drtenpenny.com/MMR_vac_not_holy_water.aspx > > > >> > > > >> What else can I give her? > > > >> > > > >> My ultimate goal here is to have her STOP vaccinating, at least > > > >> I have her beginning to question her decision. It has only > > > >> taken me 3 years! > > > >> > > > >> Adelyn > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I just had a similar discussion with my sis-in-law who is a Nurse Practitioner. She knows that my son had a bad reaction to vaccines, particularly MMR in which my son had very high fever and got measles 10 days after the vaccine. My son also has autism. I think, however, that all the vaccines contributed...especially his 12 month vaccines in which he received 6 vaccines at once, then a flu shot within a few weeks from that. It absolutely makes me sick that I allowed that to happen to him...but I did not know then what I do now. So, anyway, she still questions my decision of not vaccinating my youngest son. So this is some of the information I sent her. With her being in the medical field, she will only look at medical evidence...so i gathered some up for her. I have not heard back from her on the subject...hmmm....that was over a month ago. I have even more if you need them, but this is a good place to start with her. a Study showing an increase in antibiotic resistant pneumonia from Prevenar Vaccine... http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/304/10/1099.short Article discussing a study in which vaccines showed brain damage in primates.... http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/07/new-study-shows-vaccines-cause-brain-changes-found-in-autism.html Study discussing failure of pertussis vaccine.... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20585374 http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no6/makinen.htm Study showing flu vaccine does nothing in preventing complications such as pneumonia from flu... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20614424 Complications with immunizing premature infants http://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(07)00185-0/abstract Measles in vaccinated persons... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9700638 Article about study done at a University in North Carolina supporting Dr. Wakefeilds findings...( I don't have actual study) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-autism.html#ixzz12Z95rKHg Influence of pediatric vaccines on amygdala growth and opioid ligand binding in rhesus macaque infants http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20628439 Viruses found in vaccines http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Viruses_and_Virus_Nucleic_Acid_Contaminate_Vaccines.php Hepatitis B vaccine and risk of CNS inflammation demyleniation in childhood http://www.neurology.org/content/72/10/873.abstract NIH - Boys vax'd as neonates had 300% greater odds for autism Dx vs boys unvaccinated or vaccinated after first month. http://ht.ly/389mg This just came outhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170 From: adelynwithers <adelynwithers@...>Vaccinations Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 4:50:02 PMSubject: MMR I need help. My friend told me today that she is putting her son (5 months) on a vaccine schedule and she was specifically asking me about the MMR shot and autism.She also wants an answer to "what about the kids with autism who aren't vaccinated?" I gave her this link about MMR: http://drtenpenny.com/MMR_vac_not_holy_water.aspxWhat else can I give her?My ultimate goal here is to have her STOP vaccinating, at least I have her beginning to question her decision. It has only taken me 3 years!Adelyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 wow,thank you everyone for your input .... this was very enlightening .... i never thought of the connection between Antibiotics and the Flora issue (well - i always knew that antibiotics kill the gut flora) - but i always read about autistic children having gut problems.... very very interesting. thank you everyone for responding ... its amazing how much i learn on this forum. deb On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:23 AM, a Kunselman <shawna_kunselman@...> wrote: I just had a similar discussion with my sis-in-law who is a Nurse Practitioner. She knows that my son had a bad reaction to vaccines, particularly MMR in which my son had very high fever and got measles 10 days after the vaccine. My son also has autism. I think, however, that all the vaccines contributed...especially his 12 month vaccines in which he received 6 vaccines at once, then a flu shot within a few weeks from that. It absolutely makes me sick that I allowed that to happen to him...but I did not know then what I do now. So, anyway, she still questions my decision of not vaccinating my youngest son. So this is some of the information I sent her. With her being in the medical field, she will only look at medical evidence...so i gathered some up for her. I have not heard back from her on the subject...hmmm....that was over a month ago. I have even more if you need them, but this is a good place to start with her. a Study showing an increase in antibiotic resistant pneumonia from Prevenar Vaccine... http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/304/10/1099.short Article discussing a study in which vaccines showed brain damage in primates.... http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/07/new-study-shows-vaccines-cause-brain-changes-found-in-autism.html Study discussing failure of pertussis vaccine.... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20585374 http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no6/makinen.htm Study showing flu vaccine does nothing in preventing complications such as pneumonia from flu... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20614424 Complications with immunizing premature infants http://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(07)00185-0/abstract Measles in vaccinated persons... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9700638 Article about study done at a University in North Carolina supporting Dr. Wakefeilds findings...( I don't have actual study) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-autism.html#ixzz12Z95rKHg Influence of pediatric vaccines on amygdala growth and opioid ligand binding in rhesus macaque infants http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20628439 Viruses found in vaccines http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Viruses_and_Virus_Nucleic_Acid_Contaminate_Vaccines.php Hepatitis B vaccine and risk of CNS inflammation demyleniation in childhood http://www.neurology.org/content/72/10/873.abstract NIH - Boys vax'd as neonates had 300% greater odds for autism Dx vs boys unvaccinated or vaccinated after first month. http://ht.ly/389mg This just came outhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170 From: adelynwithers <adelynwithers@...>Vaccinations Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 4:50:02 PMSubject: MMR I need help. My friend told me today that she is putting her son (5 months) on a vaccine schedule and she was specifically asking me about the MMR shot and autism.She also wants an answer to " what about the kids with autism who aren't vaccinated? " I gave her this link about MMR: http://drtenpenny.com/MMR_vac_not_holy_water.aspxWhat else can I give her? My ultimate goal here is to have her STOP vaccinating, at least I have her beginning to question her decision. It has only taken me 3 years!Adelyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 and we don't inject food into us Sheri At 06:05 AM 2/23/2011, you wrote: >Thank you for all of the input. > >Last night she was telling me " A lot of the ingredients in vaccines >are found in foods we eat all the time. " > >I just said " that is why we need to eat whole foods, not foods with >preservatives. " > >I wish I had good answers to all of the questions I get about >vaccines, but I don't. I am glad I can come here for help. Thank you all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: wharrison@... <wharrison@... > > > > > > >Subject: Re: MMR > > > > > >Vaccinations > > > > > >Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 9:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh, boy, there is so much out there about autism and vaccines, > not just the MMR > > >but those with mercury. I'll defer to others to provide the best > info on that. > > >But to answer her question about the kids with autism who weren't > > >vaccinated--ask her to name them. What children with autism does > she know that > > >weren't vaccinated? If there are any, then ask her if the mom's > had mercury > > >fillings or any mercury-containing vaccines while pregnant (or any time, > > >really). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Get specific. Make people think about what they're asking and > have them come up > > >with the answers rather than expecting to be spoonfed reasons > they can reject. > > >Tell her she knows this is an issue so if it happens to her > child, she cannot > > >pretend to be ignorant about it. She is forewarned. > > > > > > > > > > > >And tell her autism is but one condition to worry about. There > are so, so many > > >more (asthma, allergies, auto-immune diseases, death...) Get her > to read Neil > > >'s books. Remind her that no vaccines are guaranteed to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Winnie > > > > > > > > > MMR > > > > > >Vaccinations > > > > > > > > >> I need help. My friend told me today that she is putting her > > > > > >> son (5 months) on a vaccine schedule and she was specifically > > > > > >> asking me about the MMR shot and autism. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> She also wants an answer to " what about the kids with autism who > > > > > >> aren't vaccinated? " > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I gave her this link about MMR: > > > > > >> http://drtenpenny.com/MMR_vac_not_holy_water.aspx > > > > > >> > > > > > >> What else can I give her? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> My ultimate goal here is to have her STOP vaccinating, at least > > > > > >> I have her beginning to question her decision. It has only > > > > > >> taken me 3 years! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Adelyn > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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