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In a message dated 8/1/2006 2:30:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

joste3000@... writes:

Should I push for the IEP. Thanks

My personal recommendation would be ABSOLUTELY. Your son needs the

protections that an IEP can offer. It is a legal document that is federally

mandated. Pam

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Yes! Push for a Positive Behavior Intervention Plan, likely

involving the speech language pathologist. Social skills training

would be helpful, I would assume. Third or fourth (depending on the

school)

can be big transitions, and it can go downhill fast. BTDT. Twice.

How have they dealt with his problems? I did find that for one of

my sons the relative structure of the early grades did keep him

going. And when things got more casual and social and not as well

defined,

that's when he starting losing it. That's my behavior boy, and that

was fourth grade.

My LD boy starting going downhill in second,

but third was one long Calgon bath for his teacher. He went from

20 kids in 2nd to 31 in 3rd. In a loud room, with lots more work.

Not good. He got an IEP at the end of 3rd grade.

Jackie

On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:05 PM, joste3000 wrote:

> We were just given the official diagnosis of Aspergers for our 8 year

> old son. He has seen 4 different Psychologists, Psychiatrists, and

> counselors over the past 4 years due to his behavior. He has been in

> the same elementary school (now in 3rd grade), and they have " dealt

> with his problems " the entire time without an IEP. Is there anyone

> else who has done this? I am worried that 3rd grade will be more of a

> challenge-causing anxieties, meltdowns, etc. It seems the school just

> wants suggestions from his last years' teacher about how to handle

> him. Should I push for the IEP. Thanks

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Yes, the structure has been the glue for my son, but on field trips (the police

had to come due to 2 teachers holding him down), he gets out of sync.

Unfortunately, it was better if I DID NOT go on his field trips because on

those occasions he became more unruly. This year, I will go, but of course,

there is always the fine line between a good day and a bad one. I will take your

suggestion to the school next week-thanks. Joanne

Jackie Geipel <jackie@...> wrote:

Yes! Push for a Positive Behavior Intervention Plan, likely

involving the speech language pathologist. Social skills training

would be helpful, I would assume. Third or fourth (depending on the

school)

can be big transitions, and it can go downhill fast. BTDT. Twice.

How have they dealt with his problems? I did find that for one of

my sons the relative structure of the early grades did keep him

going. And when things got more casual and social and not as well

defined,

that's when he starting losing it. That's my behavior boy, and that

was fourth grade.

My LD boy starting going downhill in second,

but third was one long Calgon bath for his teacher. He went from

20 kids in 2nd to 31 in 3rd. In a loud room, with lots more work.

Not good. He got an IEP at the end of 3rd grade.

Jackie

On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:05 PM, joste3000 wrote:

> We were just given the official diagnosis of Aspergers for our 8 year

> old son. He has seen 4 different Psychologists, Psychiatrists, and

> counselors over the past 4 years due to his behavior. He has been in

> the same elementary school (now in 3rd grade), and they have " dealt

> with his problems " the entire time without an IEP. Is there anyone

> else who has done this? I am worried that 3rd grade will be more of a

> challenge-causing anxieties, meltdowns, etc. It seems the school just

> wants suggestions from his last years' teacher about how to handle

> him. Should I push for the IEP. Thanks

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Short Answer, YES! It makes them accountable and forces them to come up with a

plan based on his specific needs. It would be better to have this in place

earlier rather than later, and you won't want to deal with the delay if you wait

and then need to get something in place (the process can take awhile!) It also

puts into play services your son is entitled to.

joste3000 <joste3000@...> wrote: We were just given the official

diagnosis of Aspergers for our 8 year

old son. He has seen 4 different Psychologists, Psychiatrists, and

counselors over the past 4 years due to his behavior. He has been in

the same elementary school (now in 3rd grade), and they have " dealt

with his problems " the entire time without an IEP. Is there anyone

else who has done this? I am worried that 3rd grade will be more of a

challenge-causing anxieties, meltdowns, etc. It seems the school just

wants suggestions from his last years' teacher about how to handle

him. Should I push for the IEP. Thanks

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Just today put the pdoc report in the school counselors hands and told them I

wanted an appt. asap- I will let ya'll know what happens!

Bonnett <zoemakes5@...> wrote: Short Answer, YES! It

makes them accountable and forces them to come up with a plan based on his

specific needs. It would be better to have this in place earlier rather than

later, and you won't want to deal with the delay if you wait and then need to

get something in place (the process can take awhile!) It also puts into play

services your son is entitled to.

joste3000 <joste3000@...> wrote: We were just given the official diagnosis

of Aspergers for our 8 year

old son. He has seen 4 different Psychologists, Psychiatrists, and

counselors over the past 4 years due to his behavior. He has been in

the same elementary school (now in 3rd grade), and they have " dealt

with his problems " the entire time without an IEP. Is there anyone

else who has done this? I am worried that 3rd grade will be more of a

challenge-causing anxieties, meltdowns, etc. It seems the school just

wants suggestions from his last years' teacher about how to handle

him. Should I push for the IEP. Thanks

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On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Joanne White wrote:

> Just today put the pdoc report in the school counselors hands and

> told them I wanted an appt. asap- I will let ya'll know what happens!

Great! I hope good things come from it.

Jackie

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You legally have to receive IN WRITING the IEP paperwork inviting you and letting you agree to allow everyone THEY have asked to be at the IEP. You can have whoever you want there. ANYONE. Good luck. Robinchristoffersonlisa <christoffersonlisa@...> wrote: Hello everyone!Today I turned in my son's results from a test I had completed in Nov.2006. The Vice Principal informed me that they have scheduled his IEPmeeting in 2 weeks.My question is, are

parents allowed to attend? Do they have to informthe school that they wish to? And what can I expect?I posted about my son Hunter so hopefully someone read it andremembers my story.THANKS to anyone who answers...

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Parents should receive, in writing, a formal notice of

the IEP. That should include the date, the time, and

who will be in attendance. You should receive a copy

of a DRAFT of the IEP prior to the IEP as well so that

you will know what they see as his goals and

accomodations and needs so that you may review it and

have questions/suggestions ready. I have had many an

IEP draft come to me at the last minute.

Remember that it is a " WORKING " document. You can make

changes to it if necessary. (With a request for

another meeting in writing when deemed necessary-i.e.

when something isn't working.)

There should be a person that represents the overall

special education at the school. This is usually a

vice principal or some sort of administrator at the

school. The current teacher should also be present to

give his/her feedback into what has gone into the

document. There may be other representatives there

like a speech therapist if that is deemed necessary or

someone who would be a " case manager " for your child.

Above all remember that this is a team-effort. You are

included in the making of this document. Don't let

them try and get it done in their little " window " of

time they think is necessary. If it takes 90 min. or

so instead of their 30, then so be it. If you have to

continue because of a time constraint on their part,

then do so. I have had many an IEP meeting go for 90

min. plus because of having to discuss issues and

making sure we have what is necessary for my son. Ask

questions. Make suggestions if you have any.

And you don't have to sign it right away. I know many

people who take it home to look over before signing.

Or, if they don't agree with what the school has

offered, they will not sign it. I can't recall at the

moment what's expected if you don't sign it. I'm sure

there are others on here that can help you with that.

Sorry. It's too early in the morning and my brain is

fried from all that is going on in my household at the

moment.

Hope this helps and good luck!

-Melinda

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This is true you can have anyone you want their.I had my area representative which is a parent and school liasion. I called her and spoke to her about my concerns and she got me all the answers I needed and came with me to the meeting as a witness and made suggestions during the meeting. She also followed up by checking in on my son to see if he was transitioning well. Try contacting your local liasion. Child Find or Fiddlers has that list of liasions for your area. It really did help to have someone to talk to about what's going on. Ada Tickle and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: You legally have to receive IN WRITING the IEP paperwork inviting you and letting you agree to allow everyone THEY have asked to be at the IEP. You can have whoever you want there. ANYONE. Good luck. Robinchristoffersonlisa <christoffersonlisa > wrote: Hello everyone!Today I turned in my son's results from a test I had completed in Nov.2006. The Vice Principal informed me that they have scheduled his IEPmeeting in 2 weeks.My question is, are parents allowed to attend? Do they have to informthe school that they wish to? And what can I expect?I posted about my son Hunter so hopefully someone read it andremembers my

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Hi ; I have a son is high school that is 19 years old. Does the school have to send me an copy of the draft for the IEP meeting also? Please let me know . Thnak You Donna Rabe Hall Melinda <mlndhall@...> wrote: ,Parents should receive, in writing, a formal notice ofthe IEP. That should include the date, the time, andwho will be in attendance. You should receive a copyof a DRAFT of the IEP prior to the IEP as well so thatyou will

know what they see as his goals andaccomodations and needs so that you may review it andhave questions/suggestions ready. I have had many anIEP draft come to me at the last minute.Remember that it is a "WORKING" document. You can makechanges to it if necessary. (With a request foranother meeting in writing when deemed necessary-i.e.when something isn't working.)There should be a person that represents the overallspecial education at the school. This is usually avice principal or some sort of administrator at theschool. The current teacher should also be present togive his/her feedback into what has gone into thedocument. There may be other representatives therelike a speech therapist if that is deemed necessary orsomeone who would be a "case manager" for your child.Above all remember that this is a team-effort. You areincluded in the making of this document. Don't letthem try and

get it done in their little "window" oftime they think is necessary. If it takes 90 min. orso instead of their 30, then so be it. If you have tocontinue because of a time constraint on their part,then do so. I have had many an IEP meeting go for 90min. plus because of having to discuss issues andmaking sure we have what is necessary for my son. Askquestions. Make suggestions if you have any. And you don't have to sign it right away. I know manypeople who take it home to look over before signing.Or, if they don't agree with what the school hasoffered, they will not sign it. I can't recall at themoment what's expected if you don't sign it. I'm surethere are others on here that can help you with that.Sorry. It's too early in the morning and my brain isfried from all that is going on in my household at themoment.Hope this helps and good

luck!-Melinda

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If you have any guardianship or power attorney over him, yes the school does need to send the copy to you. If not and he is 19, then he would receive all the documentation and be the one to sign off on everything. Pam :)See what's free at AOL.com.

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" My question is, are parents allowed to attend? "

by law, not only are you " allowed " , they can't meet without you! you're

a vital member of the teama nd you rparticipation in the process and

signed consent at the end, are what it's all about!

In order to be effective, I suggest you read up about IEPs and your

rights beforehand.

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There's a nice basic guide to IEPs here:http://www.ed.gov/parents/needs/speced/iepguide/index.htmlJudithEarl and <earl.and.christine@...> wrote: " My question is, are parents allowed to attend?" by law, not only are you "allowed", they can't meet without you! you're a vital member of the teama nd you rparticipation in the process and signed consent at the end, are what it's all about! In order to be effective, I suggest you read up about IEPs and your rights beforehand.

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Sometimes it's helpful to have an advocate go with you

to the IEP meetings because they are more familiar

with your rights and understand all the terms and

wording. I know that when I was first in the IEP

meeting I basically had no idea what they were saying.

They use all these terms and wording that no one

would know unless they've worked in education. I

happen to have a friend who worked in the public

school system in my area for 22 years and she went

with me and let me tell you...they don't like it when

you show up with an advocate but it can help you

tremendously with the process. They can sort through

all the b/s that will be thrown at you. I'm not sure

what area you are in but I would look into it.

Kecia

--- Earl and <earl.and.christine@...>

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> " My question is, are parents allowed to attend? "

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> by law, not only are you " allowed " , they can't meet

> without you! you're

> a vital member of the teama nd you rparticipation in

> the process and

> signed consent at the end, are what it's all about!

> In order to be effective, I suggest you read up

> about IEPs and your

> rights beforehand.

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The IEP team has to include an administrator who can approve services. If you go to a meeting and the administrator is not there, ask for one to show up. You can always then leave and have the meeting rescheduled, writing a follow up letter to make it clear that you expect to have an administrator who can approve services at your IEP meeting.

Yes, I do think having the wording corrected is worth your time. I know some schools will want to use OHI instead of Autism - that is an argument you will apparently be having. But when it comes down to what is being done - it will all be based on what is in writing and not on what you "think" people said. So getting it in writing correctly is important. If that bothers them or they are shocked by it, just apologize for being "picky" but insist anyway. Tell them to humor you. <GG>

The amount of services given are based on the goals/objectives and how much time he will need in order to master the goal. Cutting his services might be appropriate if they are doing a different thing but it really depends on what he needs specifically. If he is not making progress, then you ask for more therapy time. If he is mastering his goals, they could ask to reduce the time if they can show he will master them with less therapy time. So it depends on what he needs.

RoxannaAutism Happens

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So I am totally frustrated today. We had our 2nd IEP for the school year today, and it was as useless as the previous one. So the Program Specialist was not there, and so we can't even discuss the aide issue. My son is 10 years old, has AS and is overall a pretty good kid. He has some behavioral issues, but what 10 year old boy doesn't. Another issue is the IEP had his diagnosis as OHI (Other Health Imparement). He is AUTISTIC....he doesn't have the diagnosis of ADHD. They were shocked that I was objecting to the IEP being wrong. Grrr. Am I over-reacting to wanting things to be correct on his paperwork? The other thing they are doing is that they are cutting back his OT from 50min to 30min since they are going to change what the goals are and work on him typing and using an alpha smart instead of the hand writing goals. Ideas? any advice? Thanks!

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Hi I actually was going to write last night about my sons IEP and know I know I am not the only one. My son who is entering kindergarten (full day) was not given any services next year, they stated that he does not meet their defition of an educational need. The educational advoacte we had said we will have let them see how he is and let him go to school. This a child that potty himself when he is stressed, over load, and there are too many load noise. He does not sit for very long and has problems with speech, fine montor skills, and has social issuses but acccording to them he does not meet the critia and some of the is typical five year old behavior. I actually pulled him out of preschool in Feb because he had regressed so much and when I mention it was stated"nothing was wrong at school and he was fine" At this point I have not clue what to do beside just let him go and let them see for themselves, any help

I would appreciate (The asp. has been confirmed by three doctors)

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Hi , Have you ever volunteered in his classroom so you can see for yourself ? Maybe the teacher just doesn't know what to look for. or maybe there are so many children that also have many needs that he just blends in with that group. BUT, you know your child best and you aren't worried about the whole class nor are you comparing your child with the other children in that class. What I would bring up are the concerns with my child and the services he needs for next year. letting the child go without the proper services only benefits the school with their budget while your child looses out. when the team loses focus and drifts to - how the other kids are. remind them that you are here for your son only and Please keep the needs on him. bring in all medical documentations, and have them put everything in writing. When they say they don't see any concerns with your

child. I always say : I don't expect you to see the concerns because your not a medical doctor or a specialist in autism... This is what my son needs - and have your list of concerns ready. (I always go in with a list to keep myself focused and not forget anything). * I and so many others have been through this....be persistent, stay focused on what you want, and keep all documentations. good luck Rose Kingston <elmerfudge46802@...> wrote: Hi I actually was going to write last night about my sons IEP and know I know I am not the only one. My son who is entering kindergarten (full day) was not given any services next year, they stated that he does not meet their defition of an educational need. The educational advoacte we had said we will have let them see how he is and let him go to school. This a child that potty himself when he is stressed, over load, and there are too many load noise. He does not sit for very long and has problems with speech, fine montor skills, and has social issuses but acccording to them he does not meet the critia and some of the is typical five year old behavior. I actually pulled him out of preschool in Feb because he had regressed so much and when I mention it was stated"nothing was wrong at school and he was fine" At this

point I have not clue what to do beside just let him go and let them see for themselves, any help I would appreciate (The asp. has been confirmed by three doctors)

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Oh My Goodness!

I hate to hear that with his DX it is not an automatic qualification for an IEP...what state are you in?

My dd will also be going into Kindergarten and we just had her IEP meeting...she has ahead an IEP for over a year now...because she was in the pre-school program.

I would really push for something to be done...scary to think of him just showing up on the first day and for them not to have a clue about him....

SO sorry,

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Hi I actually was going to write last night about my sons IEP and know I know I am not the only one. My son who is entering kindergarten (full day) was not given any services next year, they stated that he does not meet their defition of an educational need. The educational advoacte we had said we will have let them see how he is and let him go to school. This a child that potty himself when he is stressed, over load, and there are too many load noise. He does not sit for very long and has problems with speech, fine montor skills, and has social issuses but acccording to them he does not meet the critia and some of the is typical five year old behavior. I actually pulled him out of preschool in Feb because he had regressed so much and when I mention it was stated"nothing was wrong at school and he was fine"

At this point I have not clue what to do beside just let him go and let them see for themselves, any help I would appreciate

(The asp. has been confirmed by three doctors)

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Does your son have an IEP? If so, did he meet his goals on the IEP? Did they do an evaluation to show he was at age/grade level in all areas of concern before taking him off of the IEP? Also, you need to request their decision in writing. Write a follow up letter to the meeting, restate what was told to you, write why you disagree and request a "prior written notice" be sent to you to outline why he is being removed from an IEP despite still having special ed needs and the things they considered when making this decision.

RoxannaAutism Happens

Re: ( ) IEP

Hi I actually was going to write last night about my sons IEP and know I know I am not the only one. My son who is entering kindergarten (full day) was not given any services next year, they stated that he does not meet their defition of an educational need. The educational advoacte we had said we will have let them see how he is and let him go to school. This a child that potty himself when he is stressed, over load, and there are too many load noise. He does not sit for very long and has problems with speech, fine montor skills, and has social issuses but acccording to them he does not meet the critia and some of the is typical five year old behavior. I actually pulled him out of preschool in Feb because he had regressed so much and when I mention it was stated"nothing was wrong at school and he was fine"

At this point I have not clue what to do beside just let him go and let them see for themselves, any help I would appreciate

(The asp. has been confirmed by three doctors)

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Our son has an IEP with the school district. Over the course of the last

6-months we have found the school is not providing the services required by his

IEP. (Ex. sick teacher, scheduling conflict, etc...) Anyone has similar

experience and could offer any help? We have been on wrightslaw.com, and Tim

B. has helped tremendously.

Thanks,

Dave

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Try the IEP group. they have a ton of information and knowledge by parents

who have BTDT---many times!

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> Our son has an IEP with the school district. Over the course of the last

6-months we have found the school is not providing the services required by his

IEP. (Ex. sick teacher, scheduling conflict, etc...) Anyone has similar

experience and could offer any help? We have been on wrightslaw.com, and Tim

B. has helped tremendously.

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> Thanks,

> Dave

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