Guest guest Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 Thanks for sharing -I so agree that the higher EPA works better. I wrote about this which I think some still don't know from about ten years ago here http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html and here http://www.cherabfoundation.org/2006/dha-higher-epa-bit-of-gla-and-what-about-ca\ rnosine/ where I share yes higher -but I found you couldn't go too high Why I started using the higher EPA dosage with Tanner I actually purchased the ProEPA to increase the EPA dosage for my son, Dakota, who has been diagnosed with ADHD by every neurological doctor and teacher since preschool. We are avoiding meds, because he is excelling in school since we started the fish oils. We have been trying various formulas of the EFAs to find the best for him to help his attention. He also does better with an Omega 3/6 combo formula. Dakota was given all of the many bottles of fish oil that didn't work for Tanner (when I thought they were all the same), not realizing that, back then, that most were just DHA and EPA alone. More history here http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html I started to give Dakota, my son who is suspected ADHD, the higher EPA Omega 3/6 mix based on what I heard from speaking with Dr. A. J. , one of the presenters at the First Apraxia Conference who I had the chance to speak with about her work with EPA and ADHD (today known as the Durham Trial) Even though we started giving Dakota a ProEFA/ProEPA mix, we did not at that point give the mix to Tanner. Anyway, not knowing, my husband started to give the ProEFA and ProEPA mix to Tanner as well when the three of them were out of town. When they came home, Glenn was saying how my relatives were all commenting on how well Tanner was talking, and in just that one weekend I too noticed he was talking a bit faster and more clearly. Once I found out that Glenn gave the mixture to both boys, I kept it up, shared this information with Dr. Agin, and watched. Keep in mind that Tanner was not in any private therapy at that time. What we saw was a surge in about a week in speed, recall and great improvement on syntax. He was no longer " talking like a baby " , mixing up past and present tenses and leaving out the little words. I was very quiet about it, because I wanted to see if this was just unique to Tanner. I told a few other parents and the doctors about it, and let them hear Tanner over the phone -- I was so proud of him. I still think it's best to start with just the one ProEFA capsule a day. Increase to two only after the surge isn't that great anymore. When you hit the second plateau, sometime after a few months, that's when it's good to try upping the EPA a bit by squeezing a bit in to the mix. If you do it gradually, then you can see what is working best for your child. This is just my viewpoint. Please feel free to share or disagree. We are all in this together and have the same end goal for our children!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One other thing....I found that you can use a lot less Omega 3 (EPA or DHA) if you do add that small amount of GLA. Of course there are exceptions to the rule -but after a decade of thousands of us sharing- I have found that Tanner is pretty much par for the course and what works for him typically works for the majority...which is why I also HIGHLY (now with Christmas lights) recommend everyone reading this look into and try NV as well -and as soon as possible!!! Here's the history behind this http://pursuitofresearch.org/letter_lisa.html which I know ten years from now unlike the fish oils will be validated and well known all over the world -and with an odd twist of irony will help us through our fundraiser -just by us using a food product that works for our child (as long as purchased through our Cherab team) once and for all validate all we know about fish oils. Mark my words. ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 When you first started, did you start with a lower dosage? How much? How was your son's reaction to it at first? Was he in his " normal " mood or was he hyper, agitated at first? I've try to give my son more EPA but I think it makes him more hyper...but I haven't done it long enough..how long did you give it to him before you start seeing the results below? Thanks! London 801-451-5461 From: afwitmer@... Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:30:14 +0000 Subject: [ ] High EPA works I am still using the Country Life Omega 3 Mood for my son, and it works pretty well. I have a system where I only empty the capsules one oz at a time so it will stay fresher and I keep it in the refrigerator. IT has worked wonderfully in an old Herbs for kids dropper bottle, My son gets 1 CC + .38 CC aprox. wich equals around 1.38 or so of the pills. This is cheaper, and it is working for me, it is a Higher ratio of EPA to DHA, something that is even higher than the Nordic Naturals EPA. The ratio of EPA to DHA is almost 7:1, comparable to Omega Brite and Eye Q which is much more expensive. I am not giving my son any GLA , and I am having a good experience with very high EPA to DHA. I can get the bottles of Omega 3 Mood for 13.00 Something, so that would be over 60 doses for him out of one bottle. It seems like he is changing into a vibrant, little boy! Happier, funner to be around, he even said a word I have never heard him say all on his own. The words and consanent blends are much easier for him to say and are rolling off of his tounge quite a bit easier! He is noticing more details in stuff around him too! My 2 year old is getting just over 1/2 capsule wich would be 1/2 cc +. She is really increasing in vocabulary also. I am convinced that EPA is the most important nutrient with the oils, because your body can make DHA from EPA if it needs it! THis is what is working for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I can say it is both ways he seems more vibrant, alive, good mood. But I think it helps him sit still in our church service too. Its hard to say. It seems that the EPA helps for several hours keeping him calmed down, but it seems to wear off till evening.  He is able to sit and play by himself focusing totally on what he is doing now.  The dose I am giving him is 690 mg EPA or so, and 103+ mg DHA or so. IT is almost 7:1 ratio, which can be hard to find. (Omega Brite capsules and Eye Q are good too)  I started my son on the fish oil Mid- November, started noticing results within a week or Two and it seems that the surges were still coming. The studies done on the high EPA on Children in the United Kingdom, the studies were for 12 weeks.  From: London <vhlondon@...> Subject: RE: [ ] High EPA works Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 7:56 AM  When you first started, did you start with a lower dosage? How much? How was your son's reaction to it at first? Was he in his " normal " mood or was he hyper, agitated at first? I've try to give my son more EPA but I think it makes him more hyper...but I haven't done it long enough..how long did you give it to him before you start seeing the results below? Thanks! London 801-451-5461 > > Thanks for sharing -I so agree that the higher EPA works better. I wrote about this which I think some still don't know from about ten years ago here http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html and here http://www.cherabfoundation.org/2006/dha-higher-epa-bit-of-gla-and-what-about-ca\ rnosine/ where I share yes higher -but I found you couldn't go too high > > Why I started using the higher EPA dosage with Tanner > > I actually purchased the ProEPA to increase the EPA dosage for my son, Dakota, who has been diagnosed with ADHD by every neurological doctor and teacher since preschool. We are avoiding meds, because he is excelling in school since we started the fish oils. We have been trying various formulas of the EFAs to find the best for him to help his attention. He also does better with an Omega 3/6 combo formula. > > Dakota was given all of the many bottles of fish oil that didn't work for Tanner (when I thought they were all the same), not realizing that, back then, that most were just DHA and EPA alone. More history here http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html > > I started to give Dakota, my son who is suspected ADHD, the higher EPA Omega 3/6 mix based on what I heard from speaking with Dr. A. J. , one of the presenters at the First Apraxia Conference who I had the chance to speak with about her work with EPA and ADHD (today known as the Durham Trial) Even though we started giving Dakota a ProEFA/ProEPA mix, we did not at that point give the mix to Tanner. > > Anyway, not knowing, my husband started to give the ProEFA and ProEPA mix to Tanner as well when the three of them were out of town. When they came home, Glenn was saying how my relatives were all commenting on how well Tanner was talking, and in just that one weekend I too noticed he was talking a bit faster and more clearly. > > Once I found out that Glenn gave the mixture to both boys, I kept it up, shared this information with Dr. Agin, and watched. Keep in mind that Tanner was not in any private therapy at that time. > > What we saw was a surge in about a week in speed, recall and great improvement on syntax. He was no longer " talking like a baby " , mixing up past and present tenses and leaving out the little words. I was very quiet about it, because I wanted to see if this was just unique to Tanner. > > I told a few other parents and the doctors about it, and let them hear Tanner over the phone -- I was so proud of him. > > I still think it's best to start with just the one ProEFA capsule a day. Increase to two only after the surge isn't that great anymore. When you hit the second plateau, sometime after a few months, that's when it's good to try upping the EPA a bit by squeezing a bit in to the mix. If you do it gradually, then you can see what is working best for your child. > > This is just my viewpoint. Please feel free to share or disagree. We are all in this together and have the same end goal for our children!! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > One other thing....I found that you can use a lot less Omega 3 (EPA or DHA) if you do add that small amount of GLA. Of course there are exceptions to the rule -but after a decade of thousands of us sharing- I have found that Tanner is pretty much par for the course and what works for him typically works for the majority...which is why I also HIGHLY (now with Christmas lights) recommend everyone reading this look into and try NV as well -and as soon as possible!!! > > Here's the history behind this http://pursuitofresearch.org/letter_lisa.html which I know ten years from now unlike the fish oils will be validated and well known all over the world -and with an odd twist of irony will help us through our fundraiser -just by us using a food product that works for our child (as long as purchased through our Cherab team) once and for all validate all we know about fish oils. Mark my words. > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Hi, How many capsules of your omega brand are you giving him and is it once daily. Are you giving it in the morning? Thanks. Darlene > > > > Thanks for sharing -I so agree that the higher EPA works better. I wrote about this which I think some still don't know from about ten years ago here http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html and here http://www.cherabfoundation.org/2006/dha-higher-epa-bit-of-gla-and-what-about-ca\ rnosine/ where I share yes higher -but I found you couldn't go too high > > > > Why I started using the higher EPA dosage with Tanner > > > > I actually purchased the ProEPA to increase the EPA dosage for my son, Dakota, who has been diagnosed with ADHD by every neurological doctor and teacher since preschool. We are avoiding meds, because he is excelling in school since we started the fish oils. We have been trying various formulas of the EFAs to find the best for him to help his attention. He also does better with an Omega 3/6 combo formula. > > > > Dakota was given all of the many bottles of fish oil that didn't work for Tanner (when I thought they were all the same), not realizing that, back then, that most were just DHA and EPA alone. More history here http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html > > > > I started to give Dakota, my son who is suspected ADHD, the higher EPA Omega 3/6 mix based on what I heard from speaking with Dr. A. J. , one of the presenters at the First Apraxia Conference who I had the chance to speak with about her work with EPA and ADHD (today known as the Durham Trial) Even though we started giving Dakota a ProEFA/ProEPA mix, we did not at that point give the mix to Tanner. > > > > Anyway, not knowing, my husband started to give the ProEFA and ProEPA mix to Tanner as well when the three of them were out of town. When they came home, Glenn was saying how my relatives were all commenting on how well Tanner was talking, and in just that one weekend I too noticed he was talking a bit faster and more clearly. > > > > Once I found out that Glenn gave the mixture to both boys, I kept it up, shared this information with Dr. Agin, and watched. Keep in mind that Tanner was not in any private therapy at that time. > > > > What we saw was a surge in about a week in speed, recall and great improvement on syntax. He was no longer " talking like a baby " , mixing up past and present tenses and leaving out the little words. I was very quiet about it, because I wanted to see if this was just unique to Tanner. > > > > I told a few other parents and the doctors about it, and let them hear Tanner over the phone -- I was so proud of him. > > > > I still think it's best to start with just the one ProEFA capsule a day. Increase to two only after the surge isn't that great anymore. When you hit the second plateau, sometime after a few months, that's when it's good to try upping the EPA a bit by squeezing a bit in to the mix. If you do it gradually, then you can see what is working best for your child. > > > > This is just my viewpoint. Please feel free to share or disagree. We are all in this together and have the same end goal for our children!! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > One other thing....I found that you can use a lot less Omega 3 (EPA or DHA) if you do add that small amount of GLA. Of course there are exceptions to the rule -but after a decade of thousands of us sharing- I have found that Tanner is pretty much par for the course and what works for him typically works for the majority...which is why I also HIGHLY (now with Christmas lights) recommend everyone reading this look into and try NV as well -and as soon as possible!!! > > > > Here's the history behind this http://pursuitofresearch.org/letter_lisa.html which I know ten years from now unlike the fish oils will be validated and well known all over the world -and with an odd twist of irony will help us through our fundraiser -just by us using a food product that works for our child (as long as purchased through our Cherab team) once and for all validate all we know about fish oils. Mark my words. > > > > ===== > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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