Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Our son is almost 3 and has seen great gains on NV. However, in the area of picky eating, we've seen no improvement (even after 5-6 wks on NV). It was one of the many areas of improvement we were hoping for, but no such luck. Our sons speech therapist is also a feeding specialist and feels that he is having motor planning issues when it comes to chewing, meaning he is basically not chewing - swallowing foods whole. Also, she suspects there might be concerns with his swallow. We watch him eat every day, but this was still news to us. He is aware of what he can and can't handle so he refuses all new foods. We're basically living off a diet of crackers, cheese and fruits. Will let you know if we see improvement in this area over the coming weeks. He just started feeding therapy so who knows. Sharon > > Have any of you noticed if your child (toddler) has accepted new foods as part of the surges with NV? Does it seem to help get over picky eating? > > Liralen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 It's too early to determine IF NutriiVeda helps kids who are picky eaters accept a wider variety of foods. What NV WILL do is provide a better nutritional basis for a child who is a picky eater. Kids that don't eat at least 10 proteins, 10 veggies/fruits, and 10 carbs are at risk for nutritional deficiencies. These deficiencies can cause health deficits and problems when they are adults. So, it is important for any child that is a picky eater to get proper nutrition as a foundation for growth and the prevention of health issues as an adult. NV can fill this nutritional gap in addition to the metabolic support that is resulting in surges for so many kids. As an SLP, I specialize in working with picky eaters. I am sharing the NV with all of my clients---esp the ones who are picky/problem eaters. Several of my clients are taking it---w/a range of disorders---apraxia, autism, picky eating. Anyone on this list is welcome to contact me off list for more info on picky eating if you have questions or want more info. Warmest wishes, Barbara Barbara A. , M.S., CCC-SLP Executive Director/ Help Me Speak, LLC <http://www.helpmespeak.com/> http://www.helpmespeak.com (o) 410-442-9791 (f) 410-442-9783 2500 Wallington Way; Suite 103 Marriottsville, MD 21104 follow us on FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Marriottsville-MD/Help-Me-Speak-LLC/1046288520 32 Call me with any questions about NutriiVeda! www.hms.myzrii.com From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of liralendoncov Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: [ ] NV and eating Have any of you noticed if your child (toddler) has accepted new foods as part of the surges with NV? Does it seem to help get over picky eating? Liralen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 My son is not a picky eater, but would not eat red peppers. His sisters love them and he would always try one, take a bite and immediately get rid of it. On a whim, the first week on NV I sent red peppers for snack to school. The container came home empty, and now he eats them without a second thought. I've done this before, they always came home untouched. I always had the sense this was a sensory issue, not a taste issue. Now I'm sure of it. Gretchen > > Have any of you noticed if your child (toddler) has accepted new foods as part of the surges with NV? Does it seem to help get over picky eating? > > Liralen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Liralen, In what state/country/area are you located? Warmest wishes, Barbara Barbara A. , M.S., CCC-SLP Executive Director/ Help Me Speak, LLC <http://www.helpmespeak.com/> http://www.helpmespeak.com (o) 410-442-9791 (f) 410-442-9783 2500 Wallington Way; Suite 103 Marriottsville, MD 21104 follow us on FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Marriottsville-MD/Help-Me-Speak-LLC/1046288520 32 Call me with any questions about NutriiVeda! From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of liralendoncov Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:28 PM Subject: [ ] NV and eating I just thought I would send a short update. I got NV and we started taking it on Sat. My son is 36 months and 26-27 lbs. I decided to ease him into it b/c I was worried about increased energy. We took 1/4 scoop on Sat and Sun and 1/2 scoop on Mon and Today. He drinks it mixed in water, no problem. I call it chocolate drink and give it to him in the car. I've found he's much more likely to finish a drink in the car. I have been told that my son is catching up to his peer, but since he's my first it is hard for me to know this. he's not in any therapy, but we do alot of letter sound and word practice constantly as well as mouth and tongue games. He was non-verbal until I started fish oil and he began to approximate roughly 10 words a day for weeks. He also spent weeks with his hands in his mouth and licking everything. A few weeks ago, I put him on Whey protein powder and he became very active and began to string words together and pull on his lips. He still seems to search for words, saying un un for lost or unknown words and sometimes fell back into his made up babble speech. So on Sunday, he started tapping a chair in rhythm to music and trying to interact better with others. Monday we took him to a play area and he was actually talking to the other kids instead of hitting them " Guys, guys, up here! " Today has been the most interesting day of all. He's talked non-stop, and mostly without his un un's. He started saying to me " say Aa " say oo say hammer say door. This is one of the games I play with him, say the sound and then a word with the sound. We went to the store and there was a train on the track--stopped. He said, " A crain. A crain runs 'cross this track, Red boos at the back. " The last part is the first two lines from Crews book Freight Train that we read often at night. Then we had lunch with my husband and I was telling him how NV detoxes but our son didn't seem to be feeling any side effect. And my son stopped eating and clearly said " it hurts right here on top head " pointing to the crown of his head. We just looked at him. The last two days he has been so hungry--a good sign for my picky eater. He woke up at 5 am b/c he was hungry, ate another breakfast at 10, lunch at noon, snack at 4. This is a child who will go a full day without food if he doesn't like what is offered. I've been giving him food I know he'll eat, but at this rate, he won't be able to be a picky eater anymore b/c he's too hungry. I'm taking a half dose of NV also.--2 scoops I want to feel what it is like and I need to lose quite a bit of weight. I also am an unmediated person with strong ADD. When I first drink the shake, I feel like my skin is crawling and I just want to shake my hands to get it to stop. I feel like I can barely focus and like I am about to jump out of my skin. It does stop after about an hour to two. I also feel pretty horrible, achy all over. Does this get better? Is it detoxing or is it not a good match for my system? Also, my son has a eval with a speech pathologist at the university on Friday. Should I stop NV until after that? In the past if I stop giving him fish oil, he doesn't lose his ground, but does not learn anything new. Liralen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Texas, Hays Co > > Liralen, > > In what state/country/area are you located? > > > > Warmest wishes, > > Barbara > > Barbara A. , M.S., CCC-SLP > > Executive Director/ Help Me Speak, LLC > > <http://www.helpmespeak.com/> http://www.helpmespeak.com > > (o) 410-442-9791 (f) 410-442-9783 > > 2500 Wallington Way; Suite 103 > > Marriottsville, MD 21104 > > > > follow us on FaceBook: > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Marriottsville-MD/Help-Me-Speak-LLC/1046288520 > 32 > > > > Call me with any questions about NutriiVeda! > > > > > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of liralendoncov > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:28 PM > > Subject: [ ] NV and eating > > > > > > I just thought I would send a short update. I got NV and we started taking > it on Sat. My son is 36 months and 26-27 lbs. I decided to ease him into it > b/c I was worried about increased energy. > > We took 1/4 scoop on Sat and Sun and 1/2 scoop on Mon and Today. He drinks > it mixed in water, no problem. I call it chocolate drink and give it to him > in the car. I've found he's much more likely to finish a drink in the car. I > have been told that my son is catching up to his peer, but since he's my > first it is hard for me to know this. he's not in any therapy, but we do > alot of letter sound and word practice constantly as well as mouth and > tongue games. He was non-verbal until I started fish oil and he began to > approximate roughly 10 words a day for weeks. He also spent weeks with his > hands in his mouth and licking everything. A few weeks ago, I put him on > Whey protein powder and he became very active and began to string words > together and pull on his lips. He still seems to search for words, saying un > un for lost or unknown words and sometimes fell back into his made up babble > speech. > > So on Sunday, he started tapping a chair in rhythm to music and trying to > interact better with others. Monday we took him to a play area and he was > actually talking to the other kids instead of hitting them " Guys, guys, up > here! " Today has been the most interesting day of all. He's talked non-stop, > and mostly without his un un's. He started saying to me " say Aa " say oo say > hammer say door. This is one of the games I play with him, say the sound and > then a word with the sound. We went to the store and there was a train on > the track--stopped. He said, " A crain. A crain runs 'cross this track, Red > boos at the back. " The last part is the first two lines from Crews > book Freight Train that we read often at night. Then we had lunch with my > husband and I was telling him how NV detoxes but our son didn't seem to be > feeling any side effect. And my son stopped eating and clearly said " it > hurts right here on top head " pointing to the crown of his head. We just > looked at him. The last two days he has been so hungry--a good sign for my > picky eater. He woke up at 5 am b/c he was hungry, ate another breakfast at > 10, lunch at noon, snack at 4. This is a child who will go a full day > without food if he doesn't like what is offered. I've been giving him food I > know he'll eat, but at this rate, he won't be able to be a picky eater > anymore b/c he's too hungry. > > I'm taking a half dose of NV also.--2 scoops I want to feel what it is like > and I need to lose quite a bit of weight. I also am an unmediated person > with strong ADD. When I first drink the shake, I feel like my skin is > crawling and I just want to shake my hands to get it to stop. I feel like I > can barely focus and like I am about to jump out of my skin. It does stop > after about an hour to two. I also feel pretty horrible, achy all over. Does > this get better? Is it detoxing or is it not a good match for my system? > > Also, my son has a eval with a speech pathologist at the university on > Friday. Should I stop NV until after that? In the past if I stop giving him > fish oil, he doesn't lose his ground, but does not learn anything new. > Liralen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Hi Liralen, I just finished my first week of 2 scoops of NV for weight loss. My first week I was also jumping out of my skin, unable to focus, irritable and just very anxious. The anxiety is lessening a bit, but not 100%. I did lose 1-2 pounds, but that's without trying. My appetite is down a bit. I am not sure we can necessarily compare our reactions to those of the children taking NV but it certainly gives us some insight when we see the children becoming more aggressive, easily frustrated, irritable, and having changes in behaviors. Good luck on this journey. On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:27 PM, liralendoncov <liralendoncov@...>wrote: > > > I just thought I would send a short update. I got NV and we started taking > it on Sat. My son is 36 months and 26-27 lbs. I decided to ease him into it > b/c I was worried about increased energy. > > We took 1/4 scoop on Sat and Sun and 1/2 scoop on Mon and Today. He drinks > it mixed in water, no problem. I call it chocolate drink and give it to him > in the car. I've found he's much more likely to finish a drink in the car. I > have been told that my son is catching up to his peer, but since he's my > first it is hard for me to know this. he's not in any therapy, but we do > alot of letter sound and word practice constantly as well as mouth and > tongue games. He was non-verbal until I started fish oil and he began to > approximate roughly 10 words a day for weeks. He also spent weeks with his > hands in his mouth and licking everything. A few weeks ago, I put him on > Whey protein powder and he became very active and began to string words > together and pull on his lips. He still seems to search for words, saying un > un for lost or unknown words and sometimes fell back into his made up babble > speech. > > So on Sunday, he started tapping a chair in rhythm to music and trying to > interact better with others. Monday we took him to a play area and he was > actually talking to the other kids instead of hitting them " Guys, guys, up > here! " Today has been the most interesting day of all. He's talked non-stop, > and mostly without his un un's. He started saying to me " say Aa " say oo say > hammer say door. This is one of the games I play with him, say the sound and > then a word with the sound. We went to the store and there was a train on > the track--stopped. He said, " A crain. A crain runs 'cross this track, Red > boos at the back. " The last part is the first two lines from Crews > book Freight Train that we read often at night. Then we had lunch with my > husband and I was telling him how NV detoxes but our son didn't seem to be > feeling any side effect. And my son stopped eating and clearly said " it > hurts right here on top head " pointing to the crown of his head. We just > looked at him. The last two days he has been so hungry--a good sign for my > picky eater. He woke up at 5 am b/c he was hungry, ate another breakfast at > 10, lunch at noon, snack at 4. This is a child who will go a full day > without food if he doesn't like what is offered. I've been giving him food I > know he'll eat, but at this rate, he won't be able to be a picky eater > anymore b/c he's too hungry. > > I'm taking a half dose of NV also.--2 scoops I want to feel what it is like > and I need to lose quite a bit of weight. I also am an unmediated person > with strong ADD. When I first drink the shake, I feel like my skin is > crawling and I just want to shake my hands to get it to stop. I feel like I > can barely focus and like I am about to jump out of my skin. It does stop > after about an hour to two. I also feel pretty horrible, achy all over. Does > this get better? Is it detoxing or is it not a good match for my system? > > Also, my son has a eval with a speech pathologist at the university on > Friday. Should I stop NV until after that? In the past if I stop giving him > fish oil, he doesn't lose his ground, but does not learn anything new. > Liralen > > > -- S. Kahn, M.S. CCC-SLP melanieskahn@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 It must depend - for me and a bunch of my friends we noticed immediate energy and focus and felt great on it. Two of my friends that reported this are doctors -one medical and one is an orthodontist. MD I've just spoken about though the Barnabas System in Jersey how she's now recommending it to her overweight and type 2 diabetic patients as well...she says however same thing it's good nutrition for those that don't eat well. The way put it " I am no longer scavenging in my kitchen at night looking for something to eat. I'm full. And that's a good thing " And Bibi my orthodontist friend at work can be scattered at times prior running from room to room to see patients (in her words not mine) and she said on the nutriiveda she never felt so focused and in addition just great. Bibi and are both my friends but don't know each other and both reported the same thing in the first week. Now while has diabetes and has lowered her insulin while on nutriiveda -Bibi has a thyroid problem and even with that on medication and all she lost 15 pounds in one month which no matter what she tried prior she didn't lose. Neither me nor my friends followed the program guide. We just ate healthy -drank enough water- and actually and I were the only two that worked out! And yet all lost weight that I know that wanted to. I have not seen in person since last I saw her at Disney which is prior to her starting nutriiveda but I'm hearing she looks incredible from mutual friends. I just sent the following to Jill in private who asked me about this as well not knowing this topic would come up here -so here is a clip from my email but I added a bit more. I went from 124 and a size 4 or 5- really great shape -kick box -pilates -yoga -jogging -navy seal training (not kidding those of you that are my fb friends know) karate etc -but couldn't get rid of some cellulite in the top of my thighs (!!!) and in the first month lost 3 pounds and a few people commented how great I looked. I didn't think I was going to lose any more weight, but I loved it and continued to use it twice a day and the more I used it I grew to LOVE LOVE it (super energy and focus and I'm no longer craving any junk) and within a few months lost a few more pounds. I am now 116 to 117 a size 2 and even my husband says I've never looked better in my life. It's restructured my body -got rid of cellulite and lost the little bulge I've had at the top of my thighs no matter how much I've worked out -it's like I had lypo or something!!! I mean yes we talk about the kids because that's just amazing and in the scheme of things my little weight issue is not important -more vanity -but I would be totally heartbroken if I couldn't take it -I am addicted to it like it was the best chocolate in the world -it so grows on you. What I find most interesting is that it doesn't make you lose weight in your face -if you need to lose it you'll lose it where you need it. It's not a weight loss product -there are no drugs or caffeine in it -it just works with the body to rid it of excess fat or toxins if you have it. Just like the kids...make sure that as an adult you are well hydrated too!!! Drink enough water that first week especially to help your body. These are testimonials by my friends -a neighbor who is a pro golfer -my son's orthodontist (Bibi who I talk about above) who was a nervous wreck filming this but we are working on something now for Telemundo, my friend I've talked about who trains with Mr Florida...and me! http://nutraeasy.com/8_reasons.html Tanner by the way no longer needs to lose any weight. He lost 14 pounds total but he is now 5 foot 10 and a half and 148. When he started just a few months ago he was 5 foot 7 162 (most of the weight he lost the first week -then he just maintained -lost a few more -but grew like we put water on him or something) Do I talk about his surges or how he looks??? Both incredible!!! Since for the kids is more important just want to put that website again http://www.pursuitofresearch.org ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Sorry...This should say I'm an unmedicated person with ADD Liralen > I also am an unmediated person with strong ADD. When I first drink the shake, I feel like my skin is crawling and I just want to shake my hands to get it to stop. I feel like I can barely focus and like I am about to jump out of my skin. It does stop after about an hour to two. I also feel pretty horrible, achy all over. Does this get better? Is it detoxing or is it not a good match for my system? > > Also, my son has a eval with a speech pathologist at the university on Friday. Should I stop NV until after that? In the past if I stop giving him fish oil, he doesn't lose his ground, but does not learn anything new. > Liralen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Liralin, I tried NV fro myself also with the exact same reusults you had. I truly felt sickish right after taking it. Then within a few days,anxious,irritable, poor sleep,very edgy. After 2 1/2 weeks i said this is nuts so i stopped it for about 5 days. I started 2 scoops a day for the past 3 days,felt anxios and edgy the first day, and a bit beter the last 2. I think i might skip today,-as you said too, I just couldn't focus--I fely useless. I did not lose weight in the 2 1/2 weeks,and I even cut way back on food but ironically lost 3 pounds a few days after I stopped the NV. I haven't used it with my daughter yet,although I gave her sips of mine. She gets so agitated and anxious so easily with supplements and vitamins I'm very reluctant to try it knowing how it made me feel. She is also fighting off something now and not herself so I don't know what to do. I wish there was some explanation why some of us ,now as adults can clearly describe the undesirable effects. take care,Cheryl > > I just thought I would send a short update. I got NV and we started taking it on Sat. My son is 36 months and 26-27 lbs. I decided to ease him into it b/c I was worried about increased energy. > > We took 1/4 scoop on Sat and Sun and 1/2 scoop on Mon and Today. He drinks it mixed in water, no problem. I call it chocolate drink and give it to him in the car. I've found he's much more likely to finish a drink in the car. I have been told that my son is catching up to his peer, but since he's my first it is hard for me to know this. he's not in any therapy, but we do alot of letter sound and word practice constantly as well as mouth and tongue games. He was non-verbal until I started fish oil and he began to approximate roughly 10 words a day for weeks. He also spent weeks with his hands in his mouth and licking everything. A few weeks ago, I put him on Whey protein powder and he became very active and began to string words together and pull on his lips. He still seems to search for words, saying un un for lost or unknown words and sometimes fell back into his made up babble speech. > > So on Sunday, he started tapping a chair in rhythm to music and trying to interact better with others. Monday we took him to a play area and he was actually talking to the other kids instead of hitting them " Guys, guys, up here! " Today has been the most interesting day of all. He's talked non-stop, and mostly without his un un's. He started saying to me " say Aa " say oo say hammer say door. This is one of the games I play with him, say the sound and then a word with the sound. We went to the store and there was a train on the track--stopped. He said, " A crain. A crain runs 'cross this track, Red boos at the back. " The last part is the first two lines from Crews book Freight Train that we read often at night. Then we had lunch with my husband and I was telling him how NV detoxes but our son didn't seem to be feeling any side effect. And my son stopped eating and clearly said " it hurts right here on top head " pointing to the crown of his head. We just looked at him. The last two days he has been so hungry--a good sign for my picky eater. He woke up at 5 am b/c he was hungry, ate another breakfast at 10, lunch at noon, snack at 4. This is a child who will go a full day without food if he doesn't like what is offered. I've been giving him food I know he'll eat, but at this rate, he won't be able to be a picky eater anymore b/c he's too hungry. > > I'm taking a half dose of NV also.--2 scoops I want to feel what it is like and I need to lose quite a bit of weight. I also am an unmediated person with strong ADD. When I first drink the shake, I feel like my skin is crawling and I just want to shake my hands to get it to stop. I feel like I can barely focus and like I am about to jump out of my skin. It does stop after about an hour to two. I also feel pretty horrible, achy all over. Does this get better? Is it detoxing or is it not a good match for my system? > > Also, my son has a eval with a speech pathologist at the university on Friday. Should I stop NV until after that? In the past if I stop giving him fish oil, he doesn't lose his ground, but does not learn anything new. > Liralen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Liralin, I just got off the phone with to talk about the reactions i was having on the NV--anxious,irritable,unfocused, achy as I said in my previous post. Anyway, I told her how I'm using just 2 scoops a day NOW,(last 3 days )after stopping Nv for about 5 days. She said those symptoms are classic of detox. So ,I'm thinking maybe by me taking a decreased dosage now for the last three days and I'm not feeling as anxious or irritable as when I was taking 4 scoops a day maybe the detox is not as strong. She kept stressing to keep drinking. I guess I will keep trying at this lesser dosage to see if I can still handle it --I do have about 10 to 15 pounds to lose and as I;m getting older it's not coming off like it used to. Plus if I really do need to detox(which I'm certain I do ) then it can only be good for me. I feel so brain fogged all to frequently. Let us know how you are feeling and what you decided to do. I think I will try it with my 6 year old if this reduced dosage keeps ME grounded! take care-Cheryl > > I just thought I would send a short update. I got NV and we started taking it on Sat. My son is 36 months and 26-27 lbs. I decided to ease him into it b/c I was worried about increased energy. > > We took 1/4 scoop on Sat and Sun and 1/2 scoop on Mon and Today. He drinks it mixed in water, no problem. I call it chocolate drink and give it to him in the car. I've found he's much more likely to finish a drink in the car. I have been told that my son is catching up to his peer, but since he's my first it is hard for me to know this. he's not in any therapy, but we do alot of letter sound and word practice constantly as well as mouth and tongue games. He was non-verbal until I started fish oil and he began to approximate roughly 10 words a day for weeks. He also spent weeks with his hands in his mouth and licking everything. A few weeks ago, I put him on Whey protein powder and he became very active and began to string words together and pull on his lips. He still seems to search for words, saying un un for lost or unknown words and sometimes fell back into his made up babble speech. > > So on Sunday, he started tapping a chair in rhythm to music and trying to interact better with others. Monday we took him to a play area and he was actually talking to the other kids instead of hitting them " Guys, guys, up here! " Today has been the most interesting day of all. He's talked non-stop, and mostly without his un un's. He started saying to me " say Aa " say oo say hammer say door. This is one of the games I play with him, say the sound and then a word with the sound. We went to the store and there was a train on the track--stopped. He said, " A crain. A crain runs 'cross this track, Red boos at the back. " The last part is the first two lines from Crews book Freight Train that we read often at night. Then we had lunch with my husband and I was telling him how NV detoxes but our son didn't seem to be feeling any side effect. And my son stopped eating and clearly said " it hurts right here on top head " pointing to the crown of his head. We just looked at him. The last two days he has been so hungry--a good sign for my picky eater. He woke up at 5 am b/c he was hungry, ate another breakfast at 10, lunch at noon, snack at 4. This is a child who will go a full day without food if he doesn't like what is offered. I've been giving him food I know he'll eat, but at this rate, he won't be able to be a picky eater anymore b/c he's too hungry. > > I'm taking a half dose of NV also.--2 scoops I want to feel what it is like and I need to lose quite a bit of weight. I also am an unmediated person with strong ADD. When I first drink the shake, I feel like my skin is crawling and I just want to shake my hands to get it to stop. I feel like I can barely focus and like I am about to jump out of my skin. It does stop after about an hour to two. I also feel pretty horrible, achy all over. Does this get better? Is it detoxing or is it not a good match for my system? > > Also, my son has a eval with a speech pathologist at the university on Friday. Should I stop NV until after that? In the past if I stop giving him fish oil, he doesn't lose his ground, but does not learn anything new. > Liralen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Well, I called zrii today to ask about it. I'm supposed to get a call tomorrow from the resident expert. I really felt like I had been run over. Today, I did 3/4 of a scoop in the morning and nothing else but food and water all day. I feel much better this evening. I wonder if I really have a high toxic buildup in my system? My son seemed just fine on 1/2 a scoop (half his recommended dosage) I took him off yesterday and today because he has a speech eval at the university tomorrow. Boy, I noticed a difference by midday. I have to work hard to understand him. Liralen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 well, I would love to lose 40 lbs by June (my sister's wedding). I have been drinking roughly 100 oz of water a day. I did cut back today and feel much better. I do suspect it's from detoxing. I'll let you know what the rep at Zrii tells me. Liralen > > Liralin, I just got off the phone with to talk about the reactions i was having on the NV--anxious,irritable,unfocused, achy as I said in my previous post. Anyway, I told her how I'm using just 2 scoops a day NOW,(last 3 days )after stopping Nv for about 5 days. She said those symptoms are classic of detox. So ,I'm thinking maybe by me taking a decreased dosage now for the last three days and I'm not feeling as anxious or irritable as when I was taking 4 scoops a day maybe the detox is not as strong. She kept stressing to keep drinking. I guess I will keep trying at this lesser dosage to see if I can still handle it --I do have about 10 to 15 pounds to lose and as I;m getting older it's not coming off like it used to. Plus if I really do need to detox(which I'm certain I do ) then it can only be good for me. I feel so brain fogged all to frequently. Let us know how you are feeling and what you decided to do. I think I will try it with my 6 year old if this reduced dosage keeps ME grounded! take care-Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Hi Cheryl! So happy we spoke too! As always I encourage everyone to share with their doctor but being that nutriiveda is all certified food (and you have been drinking quarts of Snapple a day up till now) there are probably things you have built up in your body that the " little nutriivedas " as Cassandra puts it are trying to help you get rid of. No reason to suffer through a detox however -if you feel this way just lower the dosage and increase liquids and gradually work up. Don't worry -weight loss will come next. To me if one is going through it in a natural way by taking whey isolate protein that provides the amino acids and greatly raises your level of glutathione- you are working with Mother Nature. You can read below for other foods found in nutriiveda like the turmeric that also naturally help your body detox. And again I believe it best when faced with possible detox going on not to stop -but to check with your doctor and as long as for sure you aren't allergic to anything just lower the dosage and make sure you are well hydrated. If your body needs to detox you want it to. I was busy tonight working on homework with my boys so didn't have much time to search for more reputable journal articles on detox -but hope others can jump in and share more. Point is from all I've read detox can feel like the flu -but shouldn't last more than a few weeks. I also read " Fat soluble chemicals have a high affinity for fat tissues and cell membranes, which are composed of fatty acids and proteins. In these fatty tissues of the body, toxins may be stored for years, being released during times of exercise, stress or fasting. During the release of these toxins, several symptoms such as headaches, poor memory, stomach pain, nausea, fatigue, dizziness and palpitations can occur. " (Cheryl do you see your photo here LOL???) But again if you just lower the dosage however and increase fluid intake -that should lesson the detox side effects. Be prepared for what's going to continue to be coming out!!! And you don't have to share details because quite a few here know now. Well call it the nutriiveda poops. Please pull from any of the following and hope to share something more credible when I have the time to search (unless someone else has some on natural detox??) Liver Detoxification LIVER CLEANSING AND SUPPORT PRODUCTS THE ULTIMATE ANTIOXIDANT The Liver The liver is the most hard-working organ in the human body. It performs many functions that are vital to life. It plays an important role in digestion (breaking nutrients down) and assimilation (building up body tissues). It is the storage site for many essential vitamins and minerals, such as iron, copper, B12, vitamins A, D, E and K. Red blood cells, which are responsible for carrying oxygen around the body, are also produced in the liver and Kupffer cells help to devour harmful micro-organisms in the blood so helping to fight infection. The liver is one of the most important organs in the body when it comes to detoxifying or getting rid of foreign substances or toxins, especially from the gut. The liver plays a key role in most metabolic processes, especially detoxification. The liver detoxifies harmful substances by a complex series of chemical reactions. The role of these various enzyme activities in the liver is to convert fat soluble toxins into water soluble substances that can be excreted in the urine or the bile depending on the particular characteristics of the end product. Many of the toxic chemicals that enter the body are fat-soluble, which means they dissolve only in fatty or oily solutions and not in water. This makes them difficult for the body to excrete. Fat soluble chemicals have a high affinity for fat tissues and cell membranes, which are composed of fatty acids and proteins. In these fatty tissues of the body, toxins may be stored for years, being released during times of exercise, stress or fasting. During the release of these toxins, several symptoms such as headaches, poor memory, stomach pain, nausea, fatigue, dizziness and palpitations can occur. The major percentage of blood being filtered by the liver is from the portal vein, which carries blood from the intestines. The liver can remove a broad spectrum of microorganisms such as bacteria, fungi, viruses and parasites from the blood, which is desirable, as we certainly do not want these building up in the blood and invading deeper parts of the body. Infections and parasites often come from the contaminated water supplies found in large cities, and indeed other dangerous organisms may find their way into your gut and blood stream from these sources. This can cause chronic infections and poor health, so it is important to protect your liver from these microorganisms. The safest thing to do is water that has been filtered and sterilized. High loads of unhealthy microorganisms can also come from foods prepared in conditions of poor hygiene by persons who are carrying bacteria, viruses or parasites on their skin. Foods, especially meats that are not fresh or are preserved, also contain a higher bacterial load, which will overwork the liver if they are eaten regularly. The liver neutralizes a wide range of toxic chemicals, both those produced internally and those coming from the environment. The normal metabolic processes produce a wide range of chemicals and hormones for which the liver has evolved efficient neutralizing mechanisms. However, the level and type of internally produced toxins increases greatly when metabolic processes go awry, typically as a result of nutritional deficiencies. These non-end-product metabolites have become a significant problem in this age of conventionally grown foods and poor diets. Many of the toxic chemicals the liver must detoxify come from the environment: the content of the bowels and the food, water, and air. The polycyclic hydrocarbons (DDT, dioxin, 2,4,5-T, 2,3-D, PCB, and PCP), which are components of various herbicides and pesticides, are on example of chemicals that are now found in virtually all fat tissues measured. Even those eating unprocessed organic foods need an effective detoxification system because all foods contain naturally occurring toxic constituents. The liver plays several roles in detoxification: it filters the blood to remove large toxins, synthesizes and secretes bile full of cholesterol and other fat-soluble toxins, and enzymatically disassembles unwanted chemicals. This enzymatic process usually occurs in two steps referred to as phase I and phase II. Phase I either directly neutralizes a toxin, or modifies the toxic chemical to form activated intermediates which are then neutralized by one of more of the several phase II enzyme systems. Proper functioning of the liver's detoxification systems is especially important for the prevention of cancer. Up to 90% of all cancers are thought to be due to the effects of environmental carcinogens, such as those in cigarette smoke, food, water, and air, combined with deficiencies of the nutrients the body needs for proper functioning of the detoxification and immune systems. The level of exposure to environmental carcinogens varies widely, as does the efficiency of the detoxification enzymes, particularly phase II. High levels of exposure to carcinogens coupled with slow detoxification enzymes significantly increases susceptibility to cancer. When optimum nutrition is provided the liver operates efficiently. A great many people however, do not eat the right kinds of foods to provide the liver with everything it needs for the elimination of the extra toxins bodies are exposed to daily. If nutrition is compromised through poor dietary and lifestyle habits, this will impede detoxification processes, and other organs will suffer as the body retains these toxins. Filtering the Blood One of the liver's primary functions is filtering the blood. Almost 2 quarts of blood pass through the liver every minute for detoxification. Filtration of toxins is absolutely critical as the blood from the intestines contains high levels of bacteria, bacterial endotoxins, antigen-antibody complexes, and various other toxic substances. When working properly, the liver clears 99% of the bacteria and other toxins during the first pass. However, when the liver is damaged, such as in alcoholics, the passage of toxins increases by over a factor of 10. Bile Excretion The liver's second detoxification process involves the synthesis and secretion of bile. Each day the liver manufactures approximately 1 quart of bile, which serves as a carrier in which many toxic substances are dumped into the intestines. In the intestines, the bile and its toxic load are absorbed by fiber and excreted. However, a diet low in fiber results in inadequate binding and reabsorption of the toxins. This problem is magnified when bacteria in the intestine modify these toxins to more damaging forms. Gall Stones " Fatty Liver " affects more than 50% of people over the age of 50! Common causes are incorrect diet, excessive alcohol intake, adverse reactions to drugs and toxic chemicals, and viral hepatitis. The gallbladder operation is the most common operation in North America. Every year, more than half a million people in the United States and more than 50,000 people in Canada undergo surgery to remove their gallbladders because of gallstones. 90% of people have gallstones. 80% of people do not know that they have gallstones. 50% of children have gallstones. Approximately 80% of all gallstones show no symptoms and may remain " silent " for years. " Phase I Detoxification The liver's third role in detoxification involves a two-step enzymatic process for the neutralization of unwanted chemical compounds. This pathway converts a toxic chemical into a less harmful chemical. This is achieved by various chemical reactions (such as oxidation, reduction and hydrolysis), and during this process free radicals are produced which, if excessive, can damage the liver cells. Antioxidants reduce the damage caused by these free radicals. If antioxidants are lacking and toxin exposure is high, toxic chemicals become far more dangerous. Some may be converted from relatively harmless substances into potentially carcinogenic substances. The effects of exposure to toxins varies from individual to individual. Some people are highly sensitive to different endogenous and exogenous toxins. Others, because their bodies are more resilient and their livers can detoxify more efficiently, aren't as sensitive.. Excessive amounts of toxic chemicals such as pesticides can disrupt the P-450 enzyme system by causing hyper activity or what is called 'induction' of this pathway. This will result in high levels of damaging free radicals being produced. Substances that may cause hyperactivity of the P- 450 enzymes: Caffeine, Alcohol, Dioxin, Saturated fats, Organophosphorus pesticides, Paint fumes, Sulfonamides, Exhaust fumes, Barbiturates. If the phase II detoxification systems are not working adequately, these intermediates can cause substantial damage, including the initiation of carcinogenic processes. Each enzyme works best in detoxifying certain types of chemicals, but with considerable overlap in activity among the enzymes. The activity of the various cytochrome P450 enzymes varies significantly from one individual to another, based on genetics, the individual's level of exposure to chemical toxins, and his or her nutritional status. Since the activity of cytochrome P450 varies so much, so does an individual's risk for various diseases. This variability of cytochrome P450 enzymes is seen in the variability of people's ability to detoxify the carcinogens found in cigarette smoke and helps to explain why some people can smoke with only modest damage to their lungs, while others develop lung cancer after only a few decades of smoking. Patients with underactive phase I detoxification will experience caffeine intolerance, intolerance to perfumes and other environmental chemicals, and an increased risk for liver disease, while those with an overactive system will be relatively unaffected by caffeine drinks. One way of objectively determining the activity of phase I is to measure how efficiently a person detoxifies caffeine. Using this test, a surprising fivefold difference in the detoxification rates of apparently healthy adult has been discovered. When cytochrome P450 metabolizes a toxin, it chemically transforms it to a less toxic form, makes it water-soluble, or converts it to a more chemically active form. Caffeine is an example of a chemical directly neutralized by phase I. Making a toxin water-soluble allows its excretion by the kidneys. Transforming a toxin to a more chemically reactive form makes it more easily metabolized by the phase II enzymes. A significant side-effect of phase I detoxification is the production of free radicals as the toxins are transformed--for each molecule of toxin metabolized by phase I, one molecule of free radical is generated. Without adequate free radical defenses, every time the liver neutralizes a toxin exposure, it is damaged by the free radicals produced. The most important antioxidant for neutralizing the free radicals produced in phase I is glutathione. In the process of neutralizing free radicals, however, glutathione (GSH) is oxidized to glutathione disulfide (GSSG). Glutathione is required for one of the key phase II detoxification processes. When high levels of toxin exposure produce so many free radicals from phase I detoxification that the glutathione is depleted, the phase II processes dependent upon glutathione stop, producing oxidative stress or liver damage. The toxins transformed into activated intermediates by phase I are substantially more reactive than the phase I toxins were. Unless quickly removed from the body by phase II detoxification mechanisms, they can cause widespread problems, especially carcinogenesis. Therefore, the rate at which phase I produces activated intermediates must be balanced by the rate at which phase II finishes their processing. People with a very active phase I detoxification system coupled with slow or inactive phase II enzymes are termed pathological detoxifiers. These people suffer unusually severe toxic reactions to environmental poisons. A liver detoxification test can pinpoint exactly how efficiently your liver is carrying out the detoxification process and if you are a pathological detoxifier. An imbalance between phase I and phase II can also occur when a person is exposed to large amounts of toxins or exposed to toxins for a long period of time. In these situations, the critical nutrients needed for phase II detoxification are depleted, which allows the highly toxic activated intermediates to build up. An efficient liver detoxification system is vital to health and in order to support this process it is essential that many key nutrients are included in the diet. Vitamins and minerals – particularly the B vitamins – play a major role, acting as cofactors for many enzyme systems including those of liver detoxification, therefore ensuring a plentiful supply of the B complex group of vitamins is of prime importance for optimum detoxification..Depletion of vitamin C may also impair the detoxification process; vitamin C also prevents free radical formation. Vitamin E and selenium are cofactors for glutathione peroxidase activity as well as being powerful antioxidants. Other nutrients which play vital roles in the Phase II pathway include amino acids glycine, cysteine, glutamine, methionine, taurine, glutamic acid and aspartic acid. Grapefruit juice, which contains naringenin, slows down Phase I enzyme activity. Recent research shows that the cytochrome P450 enzyme systems are also found in other parts of the body, especially the brain cells. Inadequate antioxidants and nutrients in the brain result in an increased rate of neuron damage, such as seen in Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease patients. As with all enzymes, the cytochrome P450s require several nutrients to function, such as copper, magnesium, zinc and vitamin C. A considerable amount of research has found that various substances activate cytochrome P450 while others inhibit it. Inducers of phase I detoxification Cytochrome P450 is induced by some toxins and by some foods and nutrients. Obviously, it is beneficial to improve phase I detoxification in order to eliminate toxins as soon as possible. This is best accomplished by providing the needed nutrients and non-toxic stimulants while avoiding those substances that are toxic. However, stimulation of phase I is contraindicated if the patient's phase II systems are underactive. Drugs and environmental toxins activate P450 to combat their destructive effects, and in so doing, not only use up compounds needed for this detoxification system but contribute significantly to free radical formation and oxidative stress. Among foods, the brassica family, i.e. cabbage, broccoli, and Brussels sprouts, contains chemical constituents that stimulate both phase I and phase II detoxification enzymes. One such compound is indole-3-carbinol, which is also a powerful anti-cancer chemical. It is a very active stimulant of detoxifying enzymes in the gut as well as the liver. The net result is significant protection against several toxins, especially carcinogens. This helps to explain why consumption of cabbage family vegetables protects against cancer. Oranges and tangerines (as well as the seeds of caraway and dill) contain limonene, a phytochemical that has been found to prevent and even treat cancer in animal models. Limonene's protective effects are probably due to the fact that it is a strong inducer of both phase I and phase II detoxification enzymes that neutralize carcinogens. Substances that activate Phase I detoxification Drugs: alcohol; nicotine in cigarette smoke; Phenobarbital; sulfonamides; steroids Foods: cabbage, broccoli, and brussels sprouts; charcoal-broiled meats; high-protein diet; oranges and tangerines (but not grapefruits) Nutrients: niacin; vitamin B1; vitamin C Herbs: caraway and dill seeds Environmental toxins: carbon tetrachloride; exhaust fumes; paint fumes; dioxin; pesticides Inhibitors of phase I detoxification Many substances inhibit cytochrome P450. This situation can cause substantial problems as it makes toxins potentially more damaging because they remain in the body longer before detoxification. For example, grapefruit juice decreases the rate of elimination of drugs from the blood and has been found to substantially alter their clinical activity and toxicity. Eight ounces of grapefruit juice contains enough of the flavonoid naringenin to decrease cytochrome P450 activity by a remarkable 30%. Curcumin, the compound that gives turmeric its yellow color, is interesting because it inhibits phase I while stimulating phase II. This effect can be very useful in preventing certain types of cancer. Curcumin has been found to inhibit carcinogens, such as benzopyrene (found in charcoal-broiled meat), from inducing cancer in several animal models. It appears that the curcumin exerts its anti-carcinogenic activity by lowering the activation of carcinogens while increasing the detoxification of those that are activated. Curcumin has also been shown to directly inhibit the growth of cancer cells. As most of the cancer-inducing chemicals in cigarette smoke are only carcinogenic during the period between activation by phase I and final detoxification by phase II, curcumin in the turmeric can help prevent the cancer-causing effects of tobacco. Those exposed to smoke, aromatic hydrocarbons, and other environmental carcinogens will probably benefit from the frequent use of curry or turmeric. The activity of phase I detoxification enzymes decreases in old age. Aging also decreases blood flow through the liver, further aggravating the problem. Lack of the physical activity necessary for good circulation, combined with the poor nutrition commonly seen in the elderly, add up to a significant impairment of detoxification capacity, which is typically found in aging individuals. This helps to explain why toxic reactions to drugs are seen so commonly in the elderly. Substances that Inhibit phase I detoxification Drugs: benzodiazepines; antihistamines; cimetidine and other stomach-acid secretion blocking drugs; ketoconazole; sulfaphenazole Foods: naringenin from grapefruit juice; curcumin from turmeric; capsaicin form chili pepper; eugenol from clove oil; quercetin from onions Botanicals: curcuma longa (curcumin); capsicum frutescens (capsaicin); eugenia caryophyllus (eugenol); calendula officianalis Other: aging; toxins from inappropriate bacteria in the intestines Phase II Detoxification This is called the conjugation pathway, whereby the liver cells add another substance (eg. cysteine, glycine or a sulphur molecule) to a toxic chemical or drug, to render it less harmful. This makes the toxin or drug water-soluble, so it can then be excreted from the body via watery fluids such as bile or urine. Individual xenobiotics and metabolites usually follow one or two distinct pathways. There are essentially six phase II detoxification pathways: · Glutathione conjugation · Amino acid conjugation · Methylation · Sulfation · Acetylation · Glucuronidation The conjugation molecules are acted upon by specific enzymes to catalyse the reaction step. Through conjugation, the liver is able to turn drugs, hormones and various toxins into excretable substances. For efficient phase two detoxification, the liver cells require sulphur-containing amino acids such as taurine and cysteine. The nutrients glycine, glutamine, choline and inositol are also required for efficient phase two detoxification. Glutathione conjugation A primary phase II detoxification route is conjugation with glutathione (a tripeptide composed of three amino acids--cysteine, glutamic acid, and glycine). Glutathione conjugation produces water-soluble mercaptates which are excreted via the kidneys. The elimination of fat-soluble compounds, especially heavy metals like mercury and lead, is dependent upon adequate levels of glutathione, which in turn is dependent upon adequate levels of methionine and cysteine. When increased levels of toxic compounds are present, more methionine is utilized for cysteine and glutathione synthesis. Methionine and cysteine have a protective effect on glutathione and prevent depletion during toxic overload. This, in turn, protects the liver from the damaging effects of toxic compounds and promotes their elimination. Glutathione is also an important antioxidant. This combination of detoxification and free radical protection, results in glutathione being one of the most important anticarcinogens and antioxidants in our cells, which means that a deficiency is cause of serious liver dysfunction and damage. Exposure to high levels of toxins depletes glutathione faster than it can be produced or absorbed from the diet. This results in increased susceptibility to toxin-induced diseases, such as cancer, especially if phase I detoxification system is highly active. Disease states due to glutathione deficiency are not uncommon. A deficiency can be induced either by diseases that increase the need for glutathione, deficiencies of the nutrients needed for synthesis, or diseases that inhibit its formation. Smoking increases the rate of utilization of glutathione, both in the detoxification of nicotine and in the neutralization of free radicals produced by the toxins in the smoke. Glutathione is available through two routes: diet and synthesis. Dietary glutathione (found in fresh fruits and vegetables, cooked fish, and meat) is absorbed well by the intestines and does not appear to be affected by the digestive processes. Dietary glutathione in foods appears to be efficiently absorbed into the blood. However, the same may not be true for glutathione supplements. In healthy individuals, a daily dosage of 500 mg of vitamin C may be sufficient to elevate and maintain good tissue glutathione levels. In one double-blind study, the average red blood cell glutathione concentration rose nearly 50% with 500 mg/day of vitamin C. Increasing the dosage to 2,000 mg only raised red blood cell (RBC) glutathione levels by another 5%. Vitamin C raises glutathione by increasing its rate of synthesis. In addition, to vitamin C, other compounds which can help increase glutathione synthesis include N-acetylcysteine (NAC), glycine, and methionine. In an effort to increase antioxidant status in individuals with impaired glutathione synthesis, a variety of antioxidants have been used. Of these agents, only Mega H-, vitamin C and NAC have been able to offer some possible benefit. Over the past 5-10 years, the use of NAC and glutathione products as antioxidants has become increasingly popular among nutritionally oriented physicians and the public. While supplementing the diet with high doses of NAC may be beneficial in cases of extreme oxidative stress (e.g. AIDS, cancer patients going through chemotherapy, or drug overdose), it may be an unwise practice in healthy individuals. Amino acid conjugation Several amino acids (glyucine, taurine, glutamine, arginine, and ornithine) are used to combine with and neutralize toxins. Of these, glycine is the most commonly utilized in phase II amino acid detoxification. Patients suffering from hepatitis, alcoholic liver disorders, carcinomas, chronic arthritis, hypothyroidism, toxemia of pregnancy, and excessive chemical exposure are commonly found to have a poorly functioning amino acid conjugation system. For example, using the benzoate clearance test (a measure of the rate at which the body detoxifies benzoate by conjugating it with glycine to form hippuric acid, which is excreted by the kidneys), the rate of clearance in those with liver disease is 50% of that in healthy adults. Even in normal adults, a wide variation exists in the activity of the glycine conjugation pathway. This is due not only to genetic variation, but also to the availability of glycine in the liver. Glycine, and the other amino acids used for conjugation, become deficient on a low-protein diet and when chronic exposure to toxins results in depletion. Methylation Methylation involves conjugating methyl groups to toxins. Most of the methyl groups used for detoxification come from S-adenosylmethionine (SAM). SAM is synthesized from the amino acid methionine, a process which requires the nutrients choline, the active form of B12 --methyl cobalamin, and the active form of folic acid --5-methyltetrahydrofolate. SAM is able to inactivate estrogens (through methylation), supporting the use of methionine in conditions of estrogen excess, such as PMS. Its effects in preventing estrogen-induced cholestasis (stagnation of bile in the gall bladder) have been demonstrated in pregnant women and those on oral contraceptives. In addition to its role in promoting estrogen excretion, methionine has been shown to increase the membrane fluidity that is typically decreased by estrogens, thereby restoring several factors that promote bile flow. Methionine also promotes the flow of lipids to and from the liver in humans. Methionine is a major source of numerous sulfur-containing compounds, including the amino acids cysteine and taurine. Sulfation Sulfation is the conjugation of toxins with sulfur-containing compounds. The sulfation system is important for detoxifying several drugs, food additives, and, especially, toxins from intestinal bacteria and the environment. In addition to environmental toxins, sulfation is also used to detoxify some normal body chemicals and is the main pathway for the elimination of steroid and thyroid hormones. Since sulfation is also the primary route for the elimination of neurotransmitters, dysfunction in this system may contribute to the development of some nervous system disorders. Many factors influence the activity of sulfate conjugation. For example, a diet low in methionine and cysteine has been shown to reduce sulfation. Sulfation is also reduced by excessive levels of molybdenum or vitamin B6 (over about 100 mg/day). In some cases, sulfation can be increased by supplemental sulfate, extra amounts of sulfur-containing foods in the diet, and the amino acids taurine and glutathione. Acetylation Conjugation of toxins with acetyl-CoA is the primary method by which the body eliminates sulfa drugs. This system appears to be especially sensitive to genetic variation, with those having a poor acetylation system being far more susceptible to sulfa drugs and other antibiotics. While not much is known about how to directly improve the activity of this system, it is known that acetylation is dependent on thiamine, pantothenic acid, and vitamin C. Glucuronidation Glucuronidation, the combining of glucuronic acid with toxins, in Phase II can be reversed by Beta glucuronidase enzymes produced by pathological bacteria and cause toxins to be reabsorbed increasing toxicity. Many of the commonly prescribed drugs are detoxified through this pathway. It also helps to detoxify aspirin, menthol, vanillin (synthetic vanilla), food additives such as benzoates, and some hormones. Calcium d-glucurate, a natural ingredient found in certain vegetables and fruits can inhibit beta glucuronidase activity resulting in increased elimination of toxins. Nutrients needed by phase II detoxification enzymes Glutathione conjugation: Glutathione Precursors (Cysteine, Glycine, Glutamic Acid, and co-factors), Essential Fatty Acids (Black Currant Seed Oil, Flax Seed Oil, EPA), Parathyroid Tissue Amino acid conjugation: Glycine Methylation: Methionine, Co-factors (Magnesium, Folic Acid, B-12, Methyl Donors) Sulfation: Molybdenum, Cysteine and precursor (Methionine), Co-factors (B-12, Folic Acid, Methyl Donors, Magnesium, B-6/P-5-P), MSM Acetylation: Acetyl-CoA, Molybdenum, Iron, Niacinamide, B-2 Glucuronidation: Glucuronic acid, Magnesium Glycination: Arginase Enzyme, Glycine, Gly Co-factors (Folic Acid, Manganese, B-2, B-6/P-5-P) Inducers of phase II detoxification enzymes Glutathione conjugation: Brassica family foods (cabbage, broccoli, Brussels sprouts); limonene-containing foods (citrus peel, dill weed oil, caraway oil) Amino acid conjugation: Glycine Methylation: Lipotropic nutrients (choline, methionine, betaine, folic acid, vitamin B12) Sulfation: Cysteine, methionine, taurine Acetylation: None found Glucuronidation: Fish oils, cigarette smoking, birth control pills, Phenobarbital, limonene-containing foods Inhibitors of phase II detoxification enzymes Glutathione conjugation: Selenium deficiency, vitamin B2 deficiency, glutathione deficiency, zinc deficiency Amino acid conjugation: Low protein diet Methylation: Folic acid or vitamin B12 deficiency Sulfation: Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (e.g. aspirin), tartrazine (yellow food dye), molybdenum deficiency Acetylation: Vitamin B2, B5, or C deficiency Glucuronidation: Aspirin, probenecid Sulfoxidation Sulfoxidation is the process by which the sulfur-containing molecules in drugs and foods are metabolized. It is also the process by which the body eliminates the sulfite food additives used to preserve many foods and drugs. Various sulfites are widely used in potato salad (as a preservative), salad bars (to keep the vegetables looking fresh), dried fruits (sulfites keep dried apricots orange), and some drugs. Normally, the enzyme sulfite oxidase metabolizes sulfites to safer sulfates, which are then excreted in the urine. Those with a poorly functioning sulfoxidation system, however, have an increased ratio of sulfite to sulfate in their urine. The strong odor in the urine after eating asparagus is an interesting phenomenon because, while it is unheard of in China, 100% of the French have been estimated to experience such an odor (about 50% of adults in the U.S. notice this effect). This example is an excellent example of genetic variability in liver detoxification function. Those with a poorly functioning sulfoxidation detoxification pathway are more sensitive to sulfur-containing drugs and foods containing sulfur or sulfite additives. This is especially important for asthmatics, which can react to these additives with life-threatening attacks. Molybdenum helps asthmatics with an elevated ratio of sulfites to sulfates in their urine because sulfite oxidase is dependent upon this trace mineral. Bile Excretion One of the primary routes for the elimination of modified toxins is through the bile. However, when the excretion of bile is inhibited (i.e. cholestasis), toxins stay in the liver longer. Cholestasis has several causes, including obstruction of the bile ducts and impairment of bile flow within the liver. The most common cause of obstruction of the bile ducts is the presence of gallstones. Currently, it is conservatively estimated that 20 million people in the U.S. have gallstones. Nearly 20% of the female and 8% of the male population over the age of 40 are found to have gallstones on biopsy and approximately 500,000 gall bladders are removed because of stones each year in the U.S. The prevalence of gallstones in this country has been linked to the high-fat, low-fiber diet consumed by the majority of Americans. Impairment of bile flow within the liver can be caused by a variety of agents and conditions. These conditions are often associated with alterations of liver function in laboratory tests (serum bilirubin, alkaline phosphatase, SGOT, LDH, GGTP, etc.) signifying cellular damage. However, relying on these tests alone to evaluate liver function is not adequate, since, in the initial or subclinical stages of many problems with liver function, laboratory values remain normal. Among the symptoms people with enzymatic damage complain of are: Fatigue; general malaise; digestive disturbances; allergies and chemical sensitivities; premenstrual syndrome; constipation Perhaps the most common cause of cholestasis and impaired liver function is alcohol ingestion. In some especially sensitive individuals, as little as 1 ounce of alcohol can produce damage to the liver, which results in fat being deposited within the liver. All active alcoholics demonstrate fatty infiltration of the liver. Methionine, taken as SAM, has been shown to be quite beneficial in treating two common causes of stagnation of bile in the liver--estrogen excess (due to either oral contraceptive use or pregnancy) and Gilbert's syndrome. Liver Detoxification Support Nutritional factors Antioxidant vitamins like vitamin C, beta-carotene, and vitamin E are obviously quite important in protecting the liver from damage as well as helping in the detoxification mechanisms, but even simple nutrients like B-vitamins, calcium, and trace minerals are critical in the elimination of heavy metals and other toxic compounds from the body. The lipotropic agents, choline, betaine, methionine, vitamin B6, folic acid, and vitamin B12, are useful as they promote the flow of fat and bile to and from the liver. Lipotropic formulas have been used for a wide variety of conditions by nutrition-oriented physicians including a number of liver disorders such as hepatitis, cirrhosis, and chemical-induced liver disease. Lipotropic formulas appear to increase the levels of SAM and glutathione. Methionine, choline, and betaine have been shown to increase the levels of SAM. Botanical medicines There is a long list of plants which exert beneficial effects on liver function. However, the most impressive research has been done on silymarin, the flavonoids extracted from silybum marianum (milk thistle). These compounds exert a substantial effect on protecting the liver from damage as well as enhancing detoxification processes. Silymarin prevents damage to the liver through several mechanisms: by acting as an antioxidant, by increasing the synthesis of glutathione and by increasing the rate of liver tissue regeneration. Silymarin is many times more potent in antioxidant activity than vitamin E and vitamin C. The protective effect of silymarin against liver damage has been demonstrated in numerous experimental studies. Silymarin has been shown to protect the liver from the damage produced by such liver-toxic chemicals as carbon tetrachloride, amanita toxin, galactosamine, and praseodymium nitrate. One of the key mechanisms by which silymarin enhances detoxification is by preventing the depletion of glutathione. Silymarin not only prevents the depletion of glutathione induced by alcohol and other toxic chemicals, but has been shown to increase the level of glutathione of the liver by up to 35%, even in normals. Inhuman studies, silymarin has been shown to have positive effects in treating liver diseases of various kinds, including cirrhosis, chronic hepatitis, fatty infiltration of the liver, and inflammation of the bile duct. The standard dosage for silymarin is 70-210 mg three times/day. http://tuberose.com/Liver_Detoxification.html Are there glutathione side effects? really? There are NO glutathione side effects established except for skin whitening. Other potential side effects such as bloating or stomach upset may be attributed to dehydration. It is thus important to drink lots of water when taking glutathione supplements. Another potential side effect of taking glutathione supplements is having a headache. This may be due to glutathione taking action inside the body. For example, glutathione may be flushing out toxins such as heavy metals inside your body. Or, if you're not feeling well, glutathione may be fighting inflammation, thus causing a slight headache. Or, the headache side effect may be because glutathione is reducing your body's oxidative stress. energetic woman doing acrobat Although I have not experienced headache while taking glutathione supplements, I know some of my friends who do. And according to them, the headache and other " flu-like " symptoms generally vanish after weeks of using it. After which, they feel the effects of glutathione like increased energy and mood. So if you experience mild headache or any flu-like symptoms when taking glutahione pills for the first time, don't worry. It will go away after some time. If it doesn't, check your dosage! http://www.glutathione-for-health.com/glutathione-side-effects.html The Glutathione Body Detoxification Daily we are attacked by enemy insurgents. The intercellular glutathione body detoxification is one of the body's most important defense systems. Unfortunately few even know of it. Scientific studies have shown that glutathione (GSH) has multiple detoxification functions. Depletion of glutathione is associated with increased risk of chemical toxicity. What are Toxins is a brief look at the definition. Also, what are toxicants? We also know that glutathione can be depleted from doing its job, from some medications and agents, and lack of intake of the essential building blocks and co-factors. Age, race, gender and diet are all factors in the GSH levels in the body. Currently Tylenol toxicity is treated by boosting glutathione levels in the body with the drug NAC. Scientist now believe that boosting glutathione levels will also be the treatment of choice for detoxifying carbon monoxide poisoning, carbon tetrachloride, chloroform and other types of poisonous compounds, chemicals and gasses. First and Foremost The most important health and wellness self promotion step we can take is avoidance of those things that are harmful to the body. This includes cigarette smoke, tobacco products, house hold cleaners and detergents, dry-cleaned clothes, new carpeting, some plastic food containers, and furniture to name a few within our homes. Outside would include pesticides and fertilizers for our flowers and grass, smog, parking garage and even the corner of a busy street. The stopping of cars releases high amounts of asbestos in the air which you breathe. It only gets worse in the office. There are copier fluids and other chemicals in the furniture and carpeting to name a few. The reality is impossible in the world we live and spend every day. This means to have optimal health we need to employ other means of protection. How does Glutathione body detoxification protect us from the various toxins? There is no simple answer. Basically it protects us in two ways. One, it detoxifies or helps remove toxins when they enter the body and subsequently the individual cells in the organs. So after the attack it goes to work removing the toxins. When a person overdoses on Tylenol, in the hospital ED or ER Doctor will administer NAC, a drug that promotes the production of Glutathione. Secondly Glutathione body detoxification acts to protect the cell from the invading toxins. So rather than waiting till your sick, this is in effect preventative medicine (in the metaphorical sense). This is providing the body with the resources it needs to fight the enemy toxin insurgents. Avoiding toxins is important. Additionally the glutathione body detoxification inside each and every cell is one of our best defenses in the toxic world we live in. To proactively build our glutathione is one of the health and wellness steps we can do ourselves. It is also one of the simplest things we can do. We do it with some simple dietary changes. Good health to you. http://www.glutathionediseasecure.com/glutathione-body-detoxification.html ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Liralen,did you see what posted about detox in response to these posts?I looked up some stuff and our symptoms totally fit detox--I would have posted but didn't think of it-maybe when I get time. It describes what we are going through.I did 1 1/2 scoops yesterday and today. I feel alot less whacked out ,still a bit anxious and edgy but tolerable, and I'm still having the NV cleansing effects which is taking away some of the tummy bloat. Make sure you still eat healthy(I find higher protein foods like nuts,natural peanut butter,eggs,meat and fish help my irritable brain fog feelings,so I actually eat that kind of stuff with the NV. You are beating me out on the water intake( maybe it's time to buy stock in charmin!lol)Like said don't worry about the weight loss now,try to get through the detox and then see what happens. Cheryl > > > > Liralin, I just got off the phone with to talk about the reactions i was having on the NV--anxious,irritable,unfocused, achy as I said in my previous post. Anyway, I told her how I'm using just 2 scoops a day NOW,(last 3 days )after stopping Nv for about 5 days. She said those symptoms are classic of detox. So ,I'm thinking maybe by me taking a decreased dosage now for the last three days and I'm not feeling as anxious or irritable as when I was taking 4 scoops a day maybe the detox is not as strong. She kept stressing to keep drinking. I guess I will keep trying at this lesser dosage to see if I can still handle it --I do have about 10 to 15 pounds to lose and as I;m getting older it's not coming off like it used to. Plus if I really do need to detox(which I'm certain I do ) then it can only be good for me. I feel so brain fogged all to frequently. Let us know how you are feeling and what you decided to do. I think I will try it with my 6 year old if this reduced dosage keeps ME grounded! take care-Cheryl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 I suspect it's detox also. Man, I had no idea it would be so painful. I have a 27 oz klean kanteen and my goal is 4 a day. I made it most days. I just got a call from the lady at Zrii. She said it sounds like classic detox, and that some people are more sensitive or need to detox more and so it is harder. She said it usually takes 7-14 days. She also said to cut back and take it more slowly. So I was taking 2 scoops once a day, she recommended one scoop twice a day, continue drinking water and after 5-7 days up to 1 1/2 scoops and work up. She said sometimes a person will have a sensitivity to one of the botanicals and that can cause nervousness, but not so much the aching in the muscles and joints. She said if I am sensitive to one of the ingredients as I increase the dosage, the nervous energy and brain fog will increase. She said that is pretty rare though. I'm going to give it a try. Thanks for the heads up about protein, I had actually cut back on protein b/c I wasn't very hungry and I don't eat that much to begin with. I'll be sure to have one protein rich meal (my husband will love that) Liralen > > Liralen,did you see what posted about detox in response to these posts?I looked up some stuff and our symptoms totally fit detox--I would have posted but didn't think of it-maybe when I get time. It describes what we are going through.I did 1 1/2 scoops yesterday and today. I feel alot less whacked out ,still a bit anxious and edgy but tolerable, and I'm still having the NV cleansing effects which is taking away some of the tummy bloat. Make sure you still eat healthy(I find higher protein foods like nuts,natural peanut butter,eggs,meat and fish help my irritable brain fog feelings,so I actually eat that kind of stuff with the NV. You are beating me out on the water intake( maybe it's time to buy stock in charmin!lol)Like said don't worry about the weight loss now,try to get through the detox and then see what happens. Cheryl > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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