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[Guest guest]

gelatin is a big improvement in efficency like say up to 50% but the

whole 100% is needed and in my expereince you only get that by

sprinkling.

thats sprinkling on food on the plate and not mixing. sometimes i may

mix enzymes in double cream.

tipping the loose powder down the back of the throat after the meal

is ok if you forget.

i don't mix enzymes with drinks as this dilutes the stomach contents.

generally i avoid diluting the stomach contents during a meal, no

fluids half an hour before and up to an hour afterwards, though i may

take a small amount of fluid soon after the meal as the enzymes seem

to to use a bit of fluid as they digest the stomach contents.

> ,

>

> I saw you write that taking enzymes in the capsules as opposed to

> mixing in food makes them only 30% effective. Is this the case if

> you transfer the enzymes from the vegetable capsule to a gelatin

> capsule?

>

> Thanks,

> Liz

[Guest guest]

Hi , .... can you please elaborate on why, and do you then

think saliva test is more accurate?------

Hi Norton

I never did answer your previous post, but sorry to hear the T-

therapy success against your wife's migraines didn't last. Just when

you think you have something figured out! But glad the extra oxygen

is working now. Maybe the headaches have more than one cause. I

know sleeping too long can cause them, and I figure it is probably

oxygen deprivation and maybe dehydration as well. Hope she continues

to stay pain-free. She's lucky to have such a devoted and

resourceful " migraine therapist " in her corner!

Now for your other questions, I'm not sure about saliva tests as I

have no experience with them and have yet to run across professional

opinions about them.

But let's say I'm skeptical since the problems inherent in measuring

hormones by whatever means remain the same.

The following is copied and pasted from correspondence and messages

I've written to other persons and forums:

Hormones and neurotransmitter levels are in a constant state of flux,

along with each individual's unique chemical makeup, and the amount

of usable hormones at any given time simply cannot be quantified.

These tests exist for two reasons, IMO:

1) Profit

2) Protection against litigation for practitioners, in the event a

patient on HRT develops cancer and decides to sue.

The psychiatric community knows better than to try measuring

seratonin levels as an aid in prescribing anti-depressants. There

are just too many influencing factors involved. They use their

patients' mental health as a barometer, since this is the only

accurate measuring tool.

1) Exerpt from: Official Recommendations of ISSAM (The International

Society for the Study of the Aging Male) http://www.issam.ch/

The accepted value for testosterone in andropause is defined to be 2

standard deviations below normal values for young men (317 ng/dLtotal

testosterone, 7.34 ng/dL freetestosterone,15and 86–231 ng/dL

forbioavailable testosterone). The normal ranges and methods vary

widely, and physicians are urged to consult with their local

laboratories for the applicable values in their clinical practice

environment. The actual value in an individual does not tell the

whole story, for the following reasons: the history of what has been

a normal continued testosterone level for a given patient in previous

years is almost always unknown; the sensitivity of different target

organs (brain, muscle, bone, etc) varies; there are other, unmeasured

hormones contributing to the condition (testosterone is a major

factor but not the only one); and there may be unrecognized molecules

(endocrinedisruptors) blocking the normal action of testosterone

Table 4: Factors Influencing the Variability in Presentation of

Andropause and the Attendant Testosterone Values

Normal ranges vary widely

History of individual normal testosterone is unknown

Sensitivity of target organs (brain, muscle, bone, etc) varies

Other unmeasured hormones contribute

Potential, unrecognized endocrine disruptors

This variability in symptoms presents difficulties in giving a simple

clinical picture

Despite these findings ISSAM's Official Recommendations are to do

hormone tests! Go figure - they largely discredit the tests, then

recommend using them!

I first became aware of the gross inaccuracy of panel hormone tests

10 years ago when my dog developed chronic skin lesions, brittle

falling hair, lethargy and weight loss. His thyroid panel test (same

test as used in human medicine) came back in the upper normal range,

but my astute vet said " no wait, these tests can be VERY ambiguous.

Let's try him on thyroid hormone replacement first. " The poor

creature by now looked like a concentration camp victim, but on

thyroxine recovered permanently from his skin problems, grew a new

shiney coat, gained weight, and was infused with energy.

I have also read that a quite large percentage of people, esp women,

go undiagnosed or are wrongly diagnosed, but suffer from

hypothyroidism.

This from a last year veterinary student:

Thyroid question

Our dermatology professor calls this " the blonde frizzies " :-)

A couple of her dogs tested in the normal range for thyroid BUT she

put them on thyroid supplementation and their skins and coats

improved (they had some hair loss and skin problems).

OK . just so you guys know : . . RESPONSE TO TREATMENT *IS* a way to

diagnose hypothyroidism if the blood tests are not conclusive.

I know someone else . . . Her dogs have a problem but since their

*bloodwork* is normal, she says it must be OK .

.. that's probably another reason that vets are a bit reluctant to

go through the testing . . . the results can be extremely variable

and influenced by so many other factors that the test might not give

you anything you can " hang your hat on. "

A more on-topic example - my own bi-weekly blood tests during my

fight for a prescription for t-gel. The results flew in the face of

all reason. When I was amply estrogenated, the tests claimed I was

low in estrogen but high in freeT (yeah right! I had yet to gain

access to testosterone and menopause with oral hrt had depleted my

supply.) I was taking the same amount of E and P throughout, but over

the months the results would proclaim one high and the other

deficient. Then the next test would claim the reverse. Finally a

test randomly supplied the result I was waiting for - low in free T.

I got my T-gel and left. I will *never* put myself in a position of

being held hostage by these bogus tests again!

That was over a year ago. I went back last month for an annual exam

and pap smear, and to hand the doctor a written dissertation on

exactly what is wrong with HRT research to date, and the current

protocol that the research community has handed down to practitioners

for prescribing HRT. It listed sources, as well as information about

the new topical HRT products currently undergoing final testing,

which include the androgen group.

Her 3 most relevant comments were that 1) My vaginal tissues resemble

those of a 20 yr old 2) She planned to photocopy and share the

document I handed her with her associates 3) Research in Europe

(where most of the new topicals were conceived and tested) is far

more advanced than here in the states.

Some blood tests are good diagnostic tools, tests for cancer,

diabetes, mineral deficiences etc, but it is my opinion that hormonal

levels simply cannot be measured in this way with any accuracy.

I would at least suggest that if you have hormone test results in

front of you saying one thing, and your body is telling you something

entirely different, trust the latter!

[Guest guest]

> > Ernie,

> >

> > Testosterone pellets seem like they would be the best way to get

> testosterone into ones

> > body in a controled way. Even if the dose was too low, one could

> add on top of that with

> > creams, gels, orals, or small injections. The entire cattle

> industry would fail if they stopped

> > useing pellets in cattle. You are right about the TRT industry and

> all the favors to doctors

> > who use a type of gel. There might be one dollar worth of

> testosterone in a $400.00 a

> > month Rx of a well know gel. It is sad that here in the USA TRT is

> so expensive, and as

> > gels go i think there are more problems with those then with

> pellets. I do think using gels/

> > creams as needed is good though in conjunction with pellets or

> injections or HCG.

> >

> > Anyway it is a pleasure to read your posts on pellets, and those

> that have a different take

> > on them.

> >

> >

> ----------------------

> Hi , you say in your above words to Ernest that you think

> there are more problems with gels then with pellets. I am very

> interested in hearing you elaborate on this thread. I was not aware

> that there were more problems, especially considering the expense,

> surgical procedure, high cost, and risk of infection and improper

> dosage, pellet size, number, and T release, associated with

> pellets. How can a T gel application have more problems associated

> with it than the pellet possible problems?

> thanks

> norton

Norton,

You ask a very good question, i was thinking more in the overall effects of the

testosterone delivery into the body then about the issues with expense, surgical

procedure, high cost, and risk of infection and improper dosage, pellet size,

number, and T release.

The problems with say AG are high cost, improper dosage, T release, DHT

conversion,

estrogen conversion, skin effects, effects on children, women, and anyone who

comes in contact with the gel that should not.

My main point was that it just seems that pellets would give the best T release

profile over

an extended time. I could be 100% wrong on that but from all the studies from

the cattle

industry, they seem to have it down. Humans are of course much more complex then

cattle.

[Guest guest]

A while back you posted about some supplement youf husband was taking

that greatly increased his ejaculate, now a " flood " if I recall.

I want to flood also!... norton, ready to get juiced up----

ROTFL! Hi Norton!

----TRT has reduced to a trickle, so disappointing.----

That is a TRT side effect I hadn't been aware of until a number men

on this forum mentioned it recently. I wonder.. does this also

happen if you are also taking HCG?

----I think one was ALC and the other ALA---

Yep, those are the two.

--- there may have been some others you mentioned---

Nope, just the ALC/ALA.

I have a web page with all this info on it and more at

http://infowomanhrt.tripod.com/EDcureALC_ALA.html

and a copy of this same file in the *Files* section of this group

but if for some reason you have trouble accessing it, let me know and

I can re-post the specific info you asked for.

----- I presume they are no presciption?

Can you get these at like Whole Foods or Wild Oats or is there an

online source you use? ----

Right, they are classified as supplements; no script needed. Acetyl-

l-carnitine (ALC)is an amino acid and not sure what classification

Alpha lipoic acid (ALA) falls under although it is an anti-oxidant.

I imagine the places you mention sell it, although the cheapest place

we found is American Nutrition.

A link and prices are on the web page.

Because the supplement industry is largely unregulated I'm somewhat

wary of brands we haven't tried. Hubby has used GNC brand on

occasion without noticing a change in quality and another has

purchased ALC/ALA in bulk powder from another link on the web page

with good results. The cost of ALC/ALA therapy is approx $50-60 per

month. It's not cheap but worth the cost!

It generally takes about 4 months of ALC/ALA treatment to see

significant results, either for it to build up in one's system or for

it to accomplish repairs. However one guy in his 30s noticed big

improvements in only a week. We attribute his unique recovery to his

young age. (My husband, the other couple men we know who are taking

it and the test subjects in the clinical trial are all in the 50-70s

age range, with a lot more built-up neural and other cellular damage

needing repair.)

The test subjects reported increases in fluid volume but none of them

were on TRT. However one man on the ED forum is on TRT and he cited

increased ejaculate volume as a result of ALC/ALA use. (He stated

that testosterone and ALC/ALA each have very unique and

distinguishable effects although both work in many areas to

accomplish the same purposes. So apparently being on TRT does

inhibit or prevent the action of ALC/ALA on ejaculate volume, at

least for him.)

If you decide to try the therapy and stick with it at a sufficient

dose for at least a few months, let us know the results if you don't

mind, ok? We're both interested in finding out if it works for a

majority of men and a profile of those who are most likely (and

unlikely) to benefit from it.

Also if you purchase ALC/ALA from another place and it works for you,

let me know and I'll add to the list of reliable brands/sellers.

[Guest guest]

,

I have been reading your posts and the success your

husband has had with the ALC/ALA supplementation. I'm

58 and on TRT and have the same problem and was

wondering if you could share the name of the brands

and sellers you have dealt with. I usually use

capsules or pill form and have never used bulk powder

of any supplement. Do you feel this would be a better

form to use?

Thanks for your help, Guy

--- Summers <rsummers@...> wrote:

>

> A while back you posted about some supplement youf

> husband was taking

> that greatly increased his ejaculate, now a " flood "

> if I recall.

> I want to flood also!... norton, ready to get juiced

> up----

>

> ROTFL! Hi Norton!

>

> ----TRT has reduced to a trickle, so

> disappointing.----

>

> That is a TRT side effect I hadn't been aware of

> until a number men

> on this forum mentioned it recently. I wonder..

> does this also

> happen if you are also taking HCG?

>

> ----I think one was ALC and the other ALA---

>

> Yep, those are the two.

>

> --- there may have been some others you mentioned---

>

> Nope, just the ALC/ALA.

>

> I have a web page with all this info on it and more

> at

> http://infowomanhrt.tripod.com/EDcureALC_ALA.html

> and a copy of this same file in the *Files* section

> of this group

> but if for some reason you have trouble accessing

> it, let me know and

> I can re-post the specific info you asked for.

>

> ----- I presume they are no presciption?

> Can you get these at like Whole Foods or Wild Oats

> or is there an

> online source you use? ----

>

> Right, they are classified as supplements; no script

> needed. Acetyl-

> l-carnitine (ALC)is an amino acid and not sure what

> classification

> Alpha lipoic acid (ALA) falls under although it is

> an anti-oxidant.

> I imagine the places you mention sell it, although

> the cheapest place

> we found is American Nutrition.

> A link and prices are on the web page.

>

> Because the supplement industry is largely

> unregulated I'm somewhat

> wary of brands we haven't tried. Hubby has used GNC

> brand on

> occasion without noticing a change in quality and

> another has

> purchased ALC/ALA in bulk powder from another link

> on the web page

> with good results. The cost of ALC/ALA therapy is

> approx $50-60 per

> month. It's not cheap but worth the cost!

>

> It generally takes about 4 months of ALC/ALA

> treatment to see

> significant results, either for it to build up in

> one's system or for

> it to accomplish repairs. However one guy in his

> 30s noticed big

> improvements in only a week. We attribute his

> unique recovery to his

> young age. (My husband, the other couple men we know

> who are taking

> it and the test subjects in the clinical trial are

> all in the 50-70s

> age range, with a lot more built-up neural and other

> cellular damage

> needing repair.)

>

> The test subjects reported increases in fluid volume

> but none of them

> were on TRT. However one man on the ED forum is on

> TRT and he cited

> increased ejaculate volume as a result of ALC/ALA

> use. (He stated

> that testosterone and ALC/ALA each have very unique

> and

> distinguishable effects although both work in many

> areas to

> accomplish the same purposes. So apparently being

> on TRT does

> inhibit or prevent the action of ALC/ALA on

> ejaculate volume, at

> least for him.)

>

> If you decide to try the therapy and stick with it

> at a sufficient

> dose for at least a few months, let us know the

> results if you don't

> mind, ok? We're both interested in finding out if

> it works for a

> majority of men and a profile of those who are most

> likely (and

> unlikely) to benefit from it.

>

> Also if you purchase ALC/ALA from another place and

> it works for you,

> let me know and I'll add to the list of reliable

> brands/sellers.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

test'; " >

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> A while back you posted about some supplement youf husband was taking

> that greatly increased his ejaculate, now a " flood " if I recall.

> I want to flood also!... norton, ready to get juiced up----

>

> ROTFL! Hi Norton!

>

> ----TRT has reduced to a trickle, so disappointing.----

>

> That is a TRT side effect I hadn't been aware of until a number men

> on this forum mentioned it recently. I wonder.. does this also

> happen if you are also taking HCG?

--------------------

, my balls are dead from injecting depoT for the past 34 years,

so I am hoping the anticipated flood come from a stimulated prostate!

HCG would not work work on me, maybe some other guys here can comment

on this it they are on HCG and TRT, and also try the supplements.

I will now cruise the links and file section as you suggest.

thanks for this information

norton

[Guest guest]

Norton why did HCG not work did you try it by it's self. My nuts are dead also

for over 21 yrs. but doing the shots and adding HCG 500 IU's 3 times a week

doubled my Total T levels and my nuts are back now filled right out. I tryed

Dr. 's treatment go to this site and read HCG Update.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/

Phil

nort828 <nort828@...> wrote:

> A while back you posted about some supplement youf husband was taking

> that greatly increased his ejaculate, now a " flood " if I recall.

> I want to flood also!... norton, ready to get juiced up----

>

> ROTFL! Hi Norton!

>

> ----TRT has reduced to a trickle, so disappointing.----

>

> That is a TRT side effect I hadn't been aware of until a number men

> on this forum mentioned it recently. I wonder.. does this also

> happen if you are also taking HCG?

--------------------

, my balls are dead from injecting depoT for the past 34 years,

so I am hoping the anticipated flood come from a stimulated prostate!

HCG would not work work on me, maybe some other guys here can comment

on this it they are on HCG and TRT, and also try the supplements.

I will now cruise the links and file section as you suggest.

thanks for this information

norton

[Guest guest]

--- In , " nort828 " <nort828@y...> I will

now cruise the links and file section as you suggest.---

No need. Just click on:

http://infowomanhrt.tripod.com/EDcureALC_ALA.html

If it does not not appear as an active link, copy and paste it into

your browser window.

I'm not sure what effect ALC/ALA might have on shut-down testicles.

As to prostate health, in the study, ALC did not increase prostate

size as testosterone did, and neither raised PSA levels.

Little is known to my knowledge about the effects of TRT and ALC/ALA

combined therapies. Research to date has contrasted the two

treatments and found ALC to have the edge, but only two anecdotal

cases so far involve men using both treatments simultaneously.

Reports from both are very good but neither subject had used TRT long

enough to have developed testicular atrophy.

[Guest guest]

I usually use capsules or pill form and have never used bulk

powder of any supplement. Do you feel this would be a better

form to use?-----

Personally no, we both prefer easier-to-swallow capsules. (I also

take ALC/ALA for the myriad of health benefits to aging tissues and

organs) Four grams of ALC and 1600mgs of ALA equates to 16 horse-

sized gel caps everyday (unless you buy a combined version of ALC/ALA

capsules from GNC or some other place, in which case it is only 8

large capsules daily) but no matter how you look at it, it is a lot

of pills to take everyday, so convenience is worth the extra money to

us. The advantage to bulk powders of course is a slightly lower

cost, but I have no idea what the stuff tastes like mixed in liquid

and don't want to spend the time packing it into empty gelatin

capsules.

I highly recommend to anyone considering ALC/ALA therapy that they

first read ALL the information on this web link below before deciding

to invest the time and money the treatment requires. Links to

ordering info and prices are on the web page.

http://infowomanhrt.tripod.com/EDcureALC_ALA.html

[Guest guest]

>>> Correct me if I am mistaken, but my understanding is that with food

the enzymes work on food mainly, but on an empty stomach they work on

other " issues " in the body?

You are correct. Also, I think you may get better inflammation control

if you take some enzymes with food (even if just a standard dose of

good broad-spectrum enzyme product) as well as between meals. Taking

enzymes with food will help prevent the gunk from getting into the body

to begin with and causing more inflammation. But taking enzymes between

meals, particularly the proteases, helps inflammation that is already

present.

.

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

Body Bio is the new name of E-Lyte. They are exactly the same. It's the one I

use. I give 25 drops/day to my son (8 y. old, 68 lb).

You're welcome.

.

Question for

>

>@

> >

> > It may be zinc deficiency. Try ionic zinc (E-Lyte), for better

> absorption.

> >

> > .

> >

> >

Hi ,

Do you have any experience with BodyBio 2 zinc? Is this the ionic zinc

you were speaking of? It's a liquid and says zinc sulphate in an

aqueous solution. I'm desperately trying to get my son's zinc levels up.

Thank you!

Sherry

[Guest guest]

, I am hoping to get some advice from you...

As mentioned in a previous post, we got the go ahead from my son's pediatrician

regarding trying Nutriveda...

My son is currently on Thorne DHA - which is an algae based DHA.

Should I try to switch him to fish oils first or keep up with the DHA and try

Nutriveda first?

Thanks!

The Family

[Guest guest]

So glad you got the go ahead from the doc and to hope someone has the answer for

you about reflux. Do you have to check all foods out prior to feeding him?

Perhaps we can add the answer to this question here?

http://pursuitofresearch.org/faq.html

I do not believe it matters from what is being reported as brand and source

doesn't matter -it would still be providing the essential fatty acid (omega 3s

EFAs PUFAs) and if that is the formula that works for your child it's not the

norm -but you have to stick with what works for your own child. It is becoming

more clear that the Omega 3s together with nutriiveda are better than one alone

based on feedback. In fact just got this update from from Israel (Sara if

you see this just click on reply and can add to it

" New and interesting updates regarding Tal

Dear ,

In the interest of the research and after just reading a post about tantrums

after reducing or stopping fish oils, I wanted to update you on Tal's progress.

We haven't been in touch for a few weeks.

Well we got a bit cocky after starting Tal on the nutriiveda and after seeing so

much progress in a relatively short time we decided to cut his fish oil dose in

half as many were doing. Well initially this didn't have an effect but slowly

we beacame aware of Tal's bad and grumpy mood, definite deterioration and

regression in clarity of speech, word finding and sophistication. He was still

on his high dose of nutriiveda and we couldn't understand it as we hadn't read

of any others regressing on the nutriiveda. A few days ago I was about to write

to you in desperation and my husband had a moment of clarity and said why don't

we up his fish oil dose back to what it was originally and see what

happens.....Well, low and behold we have our boy back to where he was, calmer,

more mature, much more pleasant to be around and speech much improved.

I just thought that it should be noted that a fish oil reduction may not be

indicated for everyone and people should be aware of that. Honestly, I nearly

lost it! All that progress and then just like that to see it go.......you can

imagine!

Hope you are well and regards,

"

Tanner was on nutriiveda full dosage for him which is 4 scoops a day for 4 or 5

months prior to me reducing his oils. Dakota my other son as I said on a

previous post has only been on the full dosage for around 2 months and no way

can reduce his dosage yet either!!

Sometimes it is trial and error -but have heard from others over time that they

are able to reduce if on a higher dosage. Again if you are only on a capsule a

day I would not go lower than that

Based on feedback from our survey so far -I'm sure you'll be seeing really great

things soon! Yay!!!

=====

[Guest guest]

Joy,

has my permission. He asked for it which was an appreciated

courtesy.

The person who was such a cheese aficionado was internationally famous

immunologist Eli Sercarz. He was diagnosed with stage 4 renal cancer and

had perhaps a couple of months left to live. We stretched that into 5 years

of quality life without chemo or radiation and he died at age 75. He was

able to work writing papers (some 400 peer-reviewed papers), obtaining

research grants, speaking at international conferences, and giving talks at

our center until the end. When all his family, friends, and many post-docs

got together to celebrate his life we had a smorgasbord of maybe 20 of his

favorite cheeses.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Joy

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 8:42 AM

Subject: [ ] Question for

Good morning,

I noticed you were quoted on the website fightingcancer.com/blog by

Chamberlain. Is that by permission? I ask because he has a book that is

being advertised and your words about resisting sales hype are running

through my brain.

Your quote concerned people's attitudes and cancer and you were telling of a

man that was not a very good patient in that he ate cheese with almost every

meal and ended up with good results concerning his cancer. I had to laugh. I

have been craving pizza for about four weeks and after reading that, my

husband and I went out and had pizza. I savored every single bite and am

still smiling.

Point taken! Now, how about that book?

Thanks, .