Kindergarten

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

God bless you and other teachers like you.. We need

more like you in the teaching profession.

Jackie48hr@... wrote:

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Subject: kindergarten

> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 00:17:47 EST

> From: Jackie48hr@...

> Noelle136@...

>

> Dear Noelle,

> I read your letter about your son's teacher and my first advice is to

> take him out of the class immediately. I started teaching over forty years

> ago and it really aggravates me when I hear about teachers who seem to have

> more concern for their programs than for their students. Most of my

> experience has been with the middle grades - five through seven. Presently I

> am teaching with four others in a remedial reading program for young people on

> probation. And I'm sure we don't work the teenagers in our program as hard as

> it seems your son's teacher works him!. Many of our students have problem

> backgrounds and families. Some have gotten used to being in trouble because

> early failure in school (reading difficulties, learning disabilities, poor

> teaching, etc.) has turned them against school.

> I can't emphasize enough how important I believe it is for a child to

> have a good experience at the start of his formal education. Knowing how

> difficult it became for in school as his symptoms increased, I would say

> take your son out of school for now. If it were my child I'd even be tempted

> to keep him out of kindergarten entirely and not send him to school until

> first grade so that he would have a chance to forget his distressing

> experience now. This might also give him a chance to have more control over

> the OCD. But if you want him to go back to kindergarten in the fall, this is

> what I would suggest. I would go to whatever schools my son might attend and

> ask if I could visit the kindergarten classrooms. I would watch the

> interaction of teacher and students and look for someone who seems to have fun

> with the children while still keeping reasonable order. I would also look

> for a teacher who welcomes parent visits. If I found someone who seemed to

> fit my idea of a good kindergarten teacher, I would ask if I could return with

> my son and let him watch the others for an hour or so. If he's comfortable,

> that might be just the class for him.

> Even with our students in the Reading Clinic (the average student is

> fifteen, male, and reading at/or below fifth grade level) we teachers find

> that a point made with humor is usually received more readily by the students.

> I know that today it seems to be the thing to start kindergartners doing class

> work, but I still believe the primary role of kindergarten should be to help

> children learn to get along with others in a classroom situation. I can't

> imagine giving five-year olds so much work your son can't have a break for

> over four hours!

> Please write me if you have questions about any of this. Best wishes.

> Jackie

[Guest guest]

How do you handle that?

Amy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/29/01 9:08:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

bluheron@... writes:

> BIG BOLD LETTERS,

> " BY LAW, YOUR CHILD MAY NOT ENTER SCHOOL WITHOUT

> PROOF OF THESE IMMUNIZATIONS "

>

I may be fooling myself (will find out on Tuesday!!!) but I was encouraged

that in bold letters they listed the exceptions to the immunization

requirements. I hope I am pleasantly surprised. The nurse that is there now

is a fool. I mean that in the sense that she is just GOOFY. The first one

they had was young, mild and soft spoken, very pleasant. I have my dukes up

ready to go because I *KNOW* our decision not to vax is 1) the right one and

2) EXTREMELY well thought out and researched.

K

~Kerin~

Mom of Four~

*When you tend a rose, my lad,

A thistle cannot grow*

[Guest guest]

Meghan is 5 (6 in August) and is in full day kindergarten at a the

neighborhood school where her sister is in second grade...it was difficult

to get this implemented as the district has a designated school where

handicapped children go with some typical children included....at one of her

recent IEP meetings the talk was in the direction of her going to that

school and I reminded them of all the reasons that would NOT be

happening....ahem.....someone even said.. " don't you think that she deserves

to be with her own kind " ?????.......ANYWAYS... at the next IEP meeting it

was suggested that she repeat kindergarten with the same teacher......her

teacher is EXCELLENT by the way and has really begun to understand and

appreciate/work with/truly include Meghan....while I am always a bit

suspicious I do think that spending another year with this teacher would be

to Meghans benefit.......

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/1/2002 11:55:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

l.emileane@... writes:

> <<I reminded them of all the reasons that would NOT be

> happening....ahem.....someone even said.. " don't you think that she deserves

> to be with her own kind " ?????.......ANYWAYS... >>

>

> I guess you could have asked, " oh, you mean other human beings? "

>> > was suggested that she repeat kindergarten

> with the same teacher......her teacher is EXCELLENT by the way and has

> really begun to understand and appreciate/work with/truly include

> Meghan....while I am always a bit suspicious I do think that spending

> another year with this teacher would be

> to Meghans benefit....... <<

Staying another year can offer your child time to develop more social

skills, maturity, as well as increased academics. Most parents that hold

their kids back never regret while parents that push ahead when unsure

sometimes see effects as the kids get older and struggle in the later grades.

Cheryl in VA

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/2/02 6:41:17 AM Central Standard Time, wildwards@...

writes:

> > I guess you could have asked, " oh, you mean other human beings? "

>

That's me, I always think of the good answer when it's too late. I

love that one.

Jessie

[Guest guest]

,

When people say anything about " kids like that " , or " people like that " , I

have learned to say, " oh...you mean people with brown hair " ?? =)

heehee

Kym...Proud Mom to 4, including 4 1/2 year old with DS

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<<<someone even said.. " don't you think that she deserves

to be with her own kind " ?????>>>

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I have a great reply for the " own kind " statement. I say " Own kind, oh you

mean humans?? "

Elaine

RE: kindergarten

> Meghan is 5 (6 in August) and is in full day kindergarten at a the

> neighborhood school where her sister is in second grade...it was difficult

> to get this implemented as the district has a designated school where

> handicapped children go with some typical children included....at one of

her

> recent IEP meetings the talk was in the direction of her going to that

> school and I reminded them of all the reasons that would NOT be

> happening....ahem.....someone even said.. " don't you think that she

deserves

> to be with her own kind " ?????.......ANYWAYS... at the next IEP meeting it

> was suggested that she repeat kindergarten with the same teacher......her

> teacher is EXCELLENT by the way and has really begun to understand and

> appreciate/work with/truly include Meghan....while I am always a bit

> suspicious I do think that spending another year with this teacher would

be

> to Meghans benefit.......

>

>

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, I found Kindy the perfect place for inclusion if your child can handle

the large group. There is so much learning through play. IT is when the

learning becomes so abstract that it really gets hard.

mom to Bridget 10

kindergarten

Hi was wondering how everyone feels about inclusion, struggled a lot this

past couple months on where to send Cassie. Wanted her to go to a reg.

kindergarten school, but have decided that it will be best to keep her one

more year at a special school. only to give her one more year to grow up a

little more and because i know i can fore the school to give her what she

needs for OT pt etc.,,, but i know that in a small community attitudes can

mean a lot and i don't want her to have others being mean to her. like the

school(REG ONE_ is complaining because they would have to change a diaper.

loll, so after struggling and knowing that i will need to provide the Soc.

she needs in other ways, i decided that the reg school is not what she needs

[Guest guest]

I am pro inclusion but that is because that is what has really worked for my son

and if it is done correctly can work for most kids. You have to know how your

child can handle things and how your school does inclusion. Without proper

supports (aides, team teaching, curricular modifications, etc), it won't work

for any child. You know your child best. What I tend to fight for is choices

all along the spectrum from full inclusion to self-contained if absolutely

necessary.

Elaine

kindergarten

Hi was wondering how everyone feels about inclusion, struggled a lot this

past couple months on where to send Cassie. Wanted her to go to a reg.

kindergarten school, but have decided that it will be best to keep her one

more year at a special school. only to give her one more year to grow up a

little more and because i know i can fore the school to give her what she

needs for OT pt etc.,,, but i know that in a small community attitudes can

mean a lot and i don't want her to have others being mean to her. like the

school(REG ONE_ is complaining because they would have to change a diaper.

loll, so after struggling and knowing that i will need to provide the Soc.

she needs in other ways, i decided that the reg school is not what she needs

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/6/03 10:06:24 PM Central Daylight Time,

writes:

> . You know your child best. What I tend to fight for is choices all along

> the spectrum from full inclusion to self-contained if absolutely necessary.

> Elaine

>

My son is in a mostly self-contained middle school program now. But, I agree

with Elaine that inclusion works for most kids. I certainly would not rule it

out at kindergarten.

What we did for was start with as much time and involvement in the

early years and putting in place accomodations and supports when things got

rough. He spent all his time in first grade.

This worked OK for him in earlier grades but due to health and behavioral

issues we eventually decided that a more restrictive setting would work

better for him. Each child is an individual and so a spectrum of choices

needs to be available with least restrictive tried first with all supports

and modifications.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

And remember folks, YOU are the expert on YOUR child. You know how they learn

better than anyone.

Elaine

Re: kindergarten

In a message dated 5/6/03 10:06:24 PM Central Daylight Time,

writes:

> . You know your child best. What I tend to fight for is choices all along

> the spectrum from full inclusion to self-contained if absolutely necessary.

> Elaine

>

My son is in a mostly self-contained middle school program now. But, I agree

with Elaine that inclusion works for most kids. I certainly would not rule it

out at kindergarten.

What we did for was start with as much time and involvement in the

early years and putting in place accomodations and supports when things got

rough. He spent all his time in first grade.

This worked OK for him in earlier grades but due to health and behavioral

issues we eventually decided that a more restrictive setting would work

better for him. Each child is an individual and so a spectrum of choices

needs to be available with least restrictive tried first with all supports

and modifications.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

Hey - That's what us mums are for LOL... Panic and worry! But its

interesting that you say Nick has " blossomed " , because that

describes Siobhan in the last month or so.... People are coming up

to me remarking that she is so much more confident and happy these

days - (A bit loud and silly too, but at least thats 'normal'!).

I know SLC will be a positive experience for you both - Siobhan

LOVES going and says she's sad to leave, as she'll miss being

treated " like a princess " !!!!

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for GREAT correction.

Travel safe

Jacki

>

> Thanks Jacki!

>

> That's so great that Siobhan has the support guy. What a relief

to

> know there's someone there whose job it is to look after her needs

> away from home. I'm sure the school system here would work with

us

> on some level, I guess we will check around and see which school

is

> best equipped and most willing to deal with Nick's situation. I

hope

> we never have to consider home schooling because Nick LOVES going

to

> school. Everyone agrees that our shy guy has totally opened up

> and " blossomed " I guess is the best word for the transformation

he's

> made socially. I'm sure he'll be fine, Mom is just panicking as

> usual!

>

> Jeanette

[Guest guest]

-Jacki,

I just read your post, what a good idea about bringing the cast in!

That way everyone can talk about it in the open! I'll probably talk

to Cam about doing something like that!

Take Care!

S.

-- In infantile scoliosis treatment , " jabostock "

<jabostock@y...> wrote:

>

> Hey - That's what us mums are for LOL... Panic and worry! But its

> interesting that you say Nick has " blossomed " , because that

> describes Siobhan in the last month or so.... People are coming up

> to me remarking that she is so much more confident and happy these

> days - (A bit loud and silly too, but at least thats 'normal'!).

>

> I know SLC will be a positive experience for you both - Siobhan

> LOVES going and says she's sad to leave, as she'll miss being

> treated " like a princess " !!!!

>

> I'm keeping my fingers crossed for GREAT correction.

>

> Travel safe

>

> Jacki

>

>

>

> >

> > Thanks Jacki!

> >

> > That's so great that Siobhan has the support guy. What a relief

> to

> > know there's someone there whose job it is to look after her needs

> > away from home. I'm sure the school system here would work with

> us

> > on some level, I guess we will check around and see which school

> is

> > best equipped and most willing to deal with Nick's situation. I

> hope

> > we never have to consider home schooling because Nick LOVES going

> to

> > school. Everyone agrees that our shy guy has totally opened up

> > and " blossomed " I guess is the best word for the transformation

> he's

> > made socially. I'm sure he'll be fine, Mom is just panicking as

> > usual!

> >

> > Jeanette

[Guest guest]

Maybe this is more information than anyone wants, but,

I have some thoughts on school for our scoliotic kids.

Braydon attends public school. He is in 4th grade

now. There is a FEDERAL law (called a 504 plan) that

requires all public schools to accommodate for any

physical needs a child may have to allow that child to

have an equal education. Most of our kids with

scoliosis do NOT have academic delays, but they may

(likely) have physical needs to make their school

experience successful.

At the beginning of each school year, I meet with the

principal and any adult/teacher who will be overseeing

Braydon's education that year. We finalize a 504 plan

for the coming school year. Braydon's 504 plan

includes things like the school must provide a pillow

for any chair that Braydon sits on. He rotates

between 3 classrooms, and each classroom has a chair

with a pillow on it for Braydon. The plan also states

that the desk and chair must be lowered to make

sitting comfortable (Braydon is shorter than average).

His PE class is modified (i.e., no jumping exercises

or anything that would potentially jar the spine).

Braydon also has a neurogenic bladder and bowel

issues. In the 504 plan, it is written that Braydon

is allowed to go to the bathroom whenever necessary,

without permission. Every little thing you can think

of needs to be listed in writing. Some kids have

latex allergies... make sure the teachers understand

this. Etc. Etc. Etc...

The other thing we do is we take Braydon's TLSO braces

and his xrays and the VEPTR/TRP hardware and photos to

the class at the beginning of each year and talk to

the kids about why they need to be careful with

Braydon. We tell them things like Braydon will be the

last one in from recess (so there is no pushing from

behind), no pushing in any line, including the lunch

line; no tackle soccer (yes, one kid asked about

this!), etc. We try to concentrate on what Braydon

CAN do. He can play on the playground, run around the

field, lay on the floor to play boardgames, etc. He

CAN do many, many things. We emphasize the positive.

Then, Braydon will lift his shirt and show the kids

his scars (he's quite proud of them). Once the kids

SEE the rods under his skin, and SEE why they are

being lectured (not lectured, but you know) they

understand better. Braydon changed schools at the

beginning of second grade. He has made lots of

friends and is doing VERY well. Most of the kids

already know about him, and they are great. The best

part for Braydon is that he's not unique. No one

makes a big deal about him and his body. They accept

him like he's one of the group, because he reinforces

that he IS just like everyone else. Oh, another thing

in his 504 plan is that he's not allowed to lift more

than 5 pounds. Someone will automatically pick up his

chair and carry it for assemblies (its an old school

without a real auditorium). This is just normal for

them. Because they understand the " why's " about

Braydon, there is no mystery. Helping Braydon,

occasionally, is just part of being at school.

As you can tell, I have many more thoughts on this

topic... I'll try to keep them to a minimum next time.

LOL

Carmell

mom to Kara 18, idiopathic scoliosis, Blake 13, GERD and Braydon 9, VACTERL,

GERD, DGE, Titanium Rib Project patient #137 (dbl implant 8/01), thoracic

insufficiency, rib anomalies, congenital scoliosis (fusion surgery 5/96),

missing coccyx, fatty filum/TC (released 4/99), anal stenosis, chronic

constipation, horseshoe (cross-fused) kidney, dbl ureter in left kidney,

ureterocele (excized 6/95), kidney reflux (reimplant surgery 1/97), neurogenic

bladder, bilateral hip dysplasia, right leg/foot dyplasia, tibial torsion,

clubfoot with 8 toes (reconstructed 2/96, 3/96, 1/97, 3/04), pes cavus, single

umblilical artery, tonsil-adnoidectomy and ear tubes (3/98), etc.

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I am a former special ed teacher and I have to say that I agree that the 504 plan can make your life a lot easier. My school district always hated doing them (no idea why), but sometimes you have to push for things like this.

Noelle (12-2-01)Ian (8-15-04)

Re: kindergarten

Maybe this is more information than anyone wants, but,I have some thoughts on school for our scoliotic kids.Braydon attends public school. He is in 4th gradenow. There is a FEDERAL law (called a 504 plan) thatrequires all public schools to accommodate for anyphysical needs a child may have to allow that child tohave an equal education. Most of our kids withscoliosis do NOT have academic delays, but they may(likely) have physical needs to make their schoolexperience successful. At the beginning of each school year, I meet with theprincipal and any adult/teacher who will be overseeingBraydon's education that year. We finalize a 504 planfor the coming school year. Braydon's 504 planincludes things like the school must provide a pillowfor any chair that Braydon sits on. He rotatesbetween 3 classrooms, and each classroom has a chairwith a pillow on it for Braydon. The plan also statesthat the desk and chair must be lowered to makesitting comfortable (Braydon is shorter than average).His PE class is modified (i.e., no jumping exercisesor anything that would potentially jar the spine). Braydon also has a neurogenic bladder and bowelissues. In the 504 plan, it is written that Braydonis allowed to go to the bathroom whenever necessary,without permission. Every little thing you can thinkof needs to be listed in writing. Some kids havelatex allergies... make sure the teachers understandthis. Etc. Etc. Etc...The other thing we do is we take Braydon's TLSO bracesand his xrays and the VEPTR/TRP hardware and photos tothe class at the beginning of each year and talk tothe kids about why they need to be careful withBraydon. We tell them things like Braydon will be thelast one in from recess (so there is no pushing frombehind), no pushing in any line, including the lunchline; no tackle soccer (yes, one kid asked aboutthis!), etc. We try to concentrate on what BraydonCAN do. He can play on the playground, run around thefield, lay on the floor to play boardgames, etc. HeCAN do many, many things. We emphasize the positive. Then, Braydon will lift his shirt and show the kidshis scars (he's quite proud of them). Once the kidsSEE the rods under his skin, and SEE why they arebeing lectured (not lectured, but you know) theyunderstand better. Braydon changed schools at thebeginning of second grade. He has made lots offriends and is doing VERY well. Most of the kidsalready know about him, and they are great. The bestpart for Braydon is that he's not unique. No onemakes a big deal about him and his body. They accepthim like he's one of the group, because he reinforcesthat he IS just like everyone else. Oh, another thingin his 504 plan is that he's not allowed to lift morethan 5 pounds. Someone will automatically pick up hischair and carry it for assemblies (its an old schoolwithout a real auditorium). This is just normal forthem. Because they understand the "why's" aboutBraydon, there is no mystery. Helping Braydon,occasionally, is just part of being at school.As you can tell, I have many more thoughts on thistopic... I'll try to keep them to a minimum next time.LOLCarmellmom to Kara 18, idiopathic scoliosis, Blake 13, GERD and Braydon 9, VACTERL, GERD, DGE, Titanium Rib Project patient #137 (dbl implant 8/01), thoracic insufficiency, rib anomalies, congenital scoliosis (fusion surgery 5/96), missing coccyx, fatty filum/TC (released 4/99), anal stenosis, chronic constipation, horseshoe (cross-fused) kidney, dbl ureter in left kidney, ureterocele (excized 6/95), kidney reflux (reimplant surgery 1/97), neurogenic bladder, bilateral hip dysplasia, right leg/foot dyplasia, tibial torsion, clubfoot with 8 toes (reconstructed 2/96, 3/96, 1/97, 3/04), pes cavus, single umblilical artery, tonsil-adnoidectomy and ear tubes (3/98), etc. __________________________________ Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/

[Guest guest]

Carmell,

Kylie and I do the same things every school year. I

was terrified to send her to school too. It really

helped to make all the school staff and the students

aware of Kylie's physical disabilities. The only

problem she has is that the kids fight over who is

going to help her! I am very glad now that I didn't

hold her back a year.

--- Carmell Burns <cjbmom23@...> wrote:

> Maybe this is more information than anyone wants,

> but,

> I have some thoughts on school for our scoliotic

> kids.

>

> Braydon attends public school. He is in 4th grade

> now. There is a FEDERAL law (called a 504 plan)

> that

> requires all public schools to accommodate for any

> physical needs a child may have to allow that child

> to

> have an equal education. Most of our kids with

> scoliosis do NOT have academic delays, but they may

> (likely) have physical needs to make their school

> experience successful.

>

> At the beginning of each school year, I meet with

> the

> principal and any adult/teacher who will be

> overseeing

> Braydon's education that year. We finalize a 504

> plan

> for the coming school year. Braydon's 504 plan

> includes things like the school must provide a

> pillow

> for any chair that Braydon sits on. He rotates

> between 3 classrooms, and each classroom has a chair

> with a pillow on it for Braydon. The plan also

> states

> that the desk and chair must be lowered to make

> sitting comfortable (Braydon is shorter than

> average).

> His PE class is modified (i.e., no jumping

> exercises

> or anything that would potentially jar the spine).

> Braydon also has a neurogenic bladder and bowel

> issues. In the 504 plan, it is written that Braydon

> is allowed to go to the bathroom whenever necessary,

> without permission. Every little thing you can

> think

> of needs to be listed in writing. Some kids have

> latex allergies... make sure the teachers understand

> this. Etc. Etc. Etc...

>

> The other thing we do is we take Braydon's TLSO

> braces

> and his xrays and the VEPTR/TRP hardware and photos

> to

> the class at the beginning of each year and talk to

> the kids about why they need to be careful with

> Braydon. We tell them things like Braydon will be

> the

> last one in from recess (so there is no pushing from

> behind), no pushing in any line, including the lunch

> line; no tackle soccer (yes, one kid asked about

> this!), etc. We try to concentrate on what Braydon

> CAN do. He can play on the playground, run around

> the

> field, lay on the floor to play boardgames, etc. He

> CAN do many, many things. We emphasize the

> positive.

> Then, Braydon will lift his shirt and show the kids

> his scars (he's quite proud of them). Once the kids

> SEE the rods under his skin, and SEE why they are

> being lectured (not lectured, but you know) they

> understand better. Braydon changed schools at the

> beginning of second grade. He has made lots of

> friends and is doing VERY well. Most of the kids

> already know about him, and they are great. The

> best

> part for Braydon is that he's not unique. No one

> makes a big deal about him and his body. They

> accept

> him like he's one of the group, because he

> reinforces

> that he IS just like everyone else. Oh, another

> thing

> in his 504 plan is that he's not allowed to lift

> more

> than 5 pounds. Someone will automatically pick up

> his

> chair and carry it for assemblies (its an old school

> without a real auditorium). This is just normal for

> them. Because they understand the " why's " about

> Braydon, there is no mystery. Helping Braydon,

> occasionally, is just part of being at school.

>

> As you can tell, I have many more thoughts on this

> topic... I'll try to keep them to a minimum next

> time.

> LOL

>

>

>

> Carmell

> mom to Kara 18, idiopathic scoliosis, Blake 13, GERD

> and Braydon 9, VACTERL, GERD, DGE, Titanium Rib

> Project patient #137 (dbl implant 8/01), thoracic

> insufficiency, rib anomalies, congenital scoliosis

> (fusion surgery 5/96), missing coccyx, fatty

> filum/TC (released 4/99), anal stenosis, chronic

> constipation, horseshoe (cross-fused) kidney, dbl

> ureter in left kidney, ureterocele (excized 6/95),

> kidney reflux (reimplant surgery 1/97), neurogenic

> bladder, bilateral hip dysplasia, right leg/foot

> dyplasia, tibial torsion, clubfoot with 8 toes

> (reconstructed 2/96, 3/96, 1/97, 3/04), pes cavus,

> single umblilical artery, tonsil-adnoidectomy and

> ear tubes (3/98), etc.

>

>

>

>

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,

<<The only problem she has is that the kids fight over

who is going to help her!>>

That's so great! The kids in Braydon's classes have

been like that. Usually each year there is a group of

3-4 girls who want to *mother* him, and make sure he's

safe at all times. HE HATES that! He is very aware

of his personal space and anyone who may be invading

his space. These kids are funny, but I'd much rather

have it this way than opposite! I'm so glad Kylie is

doing well!

Carmell

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This topic brings back memories for me when I started school. I am in a wheelchair, don't know if I ever said that to this group. I also have Arthrogryposis who have scoliosis and I had the rods put in when I was 12 years old. I'm 40 now. Now I feel old and after I tell you this story I will feel even older. I started kindergarten when I was six, I think I started late was because I was in and out of the hospital so much during a year, my mom was afraid that I wouldn't be able to keep up.

I remember this one time, I was in kindergarten, I always needed to be pushed in my wheelchair and this one day these 2 boys wanted to push me, well they ended up fighting (Only time I had boys fighting over me.) This happened at recess. Well this 1 boy gave up and instead of staying at school, he left the playground and went home, he was that mad that he didn't get to push me that he left school. The teacher ended up making a schedule of who could push me at what recess. Your story Carmell about Braydon and the kids fighting over him brought that memory back.

Betty Madison, WI

[Guest guest]

What a nice story! Well, not that the kid got mad, but that they both wanted to help so much.

Noelle (12-2-01)Ian (8-15-04)

Re: kindergarten

This topic brings back memories for me when I started school. I am in a wheelchair, don't know if I ever said that to this group. I also have Arthrogryposis who have scoliosis and I had the rods put in when I was 12 years old. I'm 40 now. Now I feel old and after I tell you this story I will feel even older. I started kindergarten when I was six, I think I started late was because I was in and out of the hospital so much during a year, my mom was afraid that I wouldn't be able to keep up.

I remember this one time, I was in kindergarten, I always needed to be pushed in my wheelchair and this one day these 2 boys wanted to push me, well they ended up fighting (Only time I had boys fighting over me.) This happened at recess. Well this 1 boy gave up and instead of staying at school, he left the playground and went home, he was that mad that he didn't get to push me that he left school. The teacher ended up making a schedule of who could push me at what recess. Your story Carmell about Braydon and the kids fighting over him brought that memory back.

Betty Madison, WI

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret,

I got my son a vaccine exemption from our county's health department in Palm

Beach Florida. Each state has different guidelines with obtaining such so you

will need to find out what these are for your state. What state do you live in?

Sweet Blessings and Abundant Health,

Dr. Blair Barone

Are you and your children eating for Prevention?

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Societies

all say that the risk of these diseases may be reduced by 50% or MORE by

consuming 7-9 servings of fruits, vegetables and grains every day!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret,

Well i am a 46 year old mom of a 3.5 year old. She has had NO shots. Though i

do plan on homeschoooling her i have done losts and losts of research on our

states rules and regulations regarding this subject. I will probably need a

Religous Exemption(for Mass)for other things such as summer camps etc.. Here is

a link where you can start to research what your states requirements are

www.vaccination.inoz.com. If you need more sights...i have lots. Good luck.

Mona

kindergarten

Hi

I am a lurker on this list! I am a 48 yr. old grandmother of a 4

1/2 year old boy. Unfortunately has had his vaccs. and is due

now for his last ones before the start of the school year. My

Naturapath told me what worked for her to get her child in school

without any of her vaccs.I would like to know if any of you have

school age children in the public school system and how you got them

in without their vaccs. I have been a no vaccs. family for my

animals for three years now because of a bad experience with one of

my dogs (died immediately after an injection) and I thank god that

it was the dog not ........ My daughter is all for not vacc.

(it was her puppy) and we are ready to fight! We just moved from VA

to SC..... Thanks for your input

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Thank you Dr. Barone! I live in South Carolina, Myrtle Beach area

and there are three ways to get an exemption. 1. Medical reasons,

from a doctor 2. Religious exemption, need to belong to a church 3.

I can't remember the 3rd right off hand.

Margaret

> Hi Margaret,

>

> I got my son a vaccine exemption from our county's health

department in Palm

> Beach Florida. Each state has different guidelines with obtaining

such so you

> will need to find out what these are for your state. What state do

you live in?

>

> Sweet Blessings and Abundant Health,

> Dr. Blair Barone

>

>

> Are you and your children eating for Prevention?

>

> The National Cancer Institute, American Medical Association,

American

> Diabetes Association, American Heart Association, and the American

Cancer Societies

> all say that the risk of these diseases may be reduced by 50% or

MORE by

> consuming 7-9 servings of fruits, vegetables and grains every

day!

>

>

> IF NOT, CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT HOW YOU CAN!

>

>

> www.juiceplus.com/road/+bb07933

> or

> http://www.holisticmunchkins.com/

>

>

> JUICE PLUS+

> America's Brand Name for Prevention

>

> Listen and learn about Juice Plus+

> To Learn More about this amazing product, call the

> 24-HR Prevention JUICE PLUS+ Info Line:

>

> 1-800-624-7671

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Mona!

I will get this figured out!

Margaret

> Hi Margaret,

> Well i am a 46 year old mom of a 3.5 year old. She has had NO

shots. Though i do plan on homeschoooling her i have done losts and

losts of research on our states rules and regulations regarding this

subject. I will probably need a Religous Exemption(for Mass)for

other things such as summer camps etc.. Here is a link where you can

start to research what your states requirements are

www.vaccination.inoz.com. If you need more sights...i have lots.

Good luck. Mona

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello All

I am new here and just had to laugh when I read your post Angie .

My son is 8 and just when we think he is getting better .... Surprize!!!

Yester day was day 5 of school here. He had a great last week but

yesterday he cam home with his shirt cut straight up the middle ( bored in art

class

) and his new glasss that are only 1 week old today bent beyond recognition.

Never a dull moment here lol