Guest guest Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 that is very good news. congratulations > > allowed me to share this private conversation- but if anyone wants to be in touch with just email me at lisa@... Also does anyone have any experience with strokes and NV? Even if it's in the senior population although looking for experience in the pediatric population for a parent knows. > > ~~~~~~~~ > Yes, please share it with the group!! It really is incredible. I honestly did not think we would be one of the lucky ones to see such drastic improvement, especially because Zoe was essentially nonverbal. It's all happened so fast I don't think I've even processed it yet. > > Zoe goes to a school that is especially for children with speech and language difficulties, and I just emailed my friends whose kids go there to tell them about our story. I just wanted them to know this product is out there and that it may help. I actually also gave them your email address just in case they have specific questions, I hope that's okay! (I also gave them the website). One of them, Whitney ___, has a 3 3/4 year old son named _____ who had two strokes either prenatally or just after his birth. Do you have any knowledge of anyone else under these circumstances that has used NV, or have any thoughts I can share with her? > > Thanks again! I will keep you updated as Zoe's progress continues. We just moved up to 3/4 of a scoop so who knows what more can happen!! > > > > ~~~first message from > > Hi ! > > Thanks so much for your help! > > I'm sure you don't remember me since you talk with so many people, but I've been wanting to update you for a while. I started my daughter Zoe on Nutriiveda in late September, using one scoop. At the time she was 3 1/2 years old and profoundly apraxic. She was only able to say vowel sounds and CVs, and had just started putting the final consonant on some of her single syllable words (which I was thrilled with!). She was definitely not putting two words together - in fact she could not even put two syllables together. > > So, fast forward to 4 months later. And....(drumroll).....she is saying 6 word sentences!!!!! > > I have a lot to thank you for - because I was actually going to stop using the NV because Zoe was getting awful diarrhea when she started. But I emailed you and you encouraged me not to quit - you said Zoe was de-toxing, that I should try cutting it down to 1/4 scoop. So I did, and the diarrhea stopped. > > One week later, Zoe opened up a book and counted up to 20, out of the blue (before she was only counting up to 10). She started using words that we had not recently used with her - words she was pulling up from her memory and able to say without help. > > Two weeks later she started putting two words together consistently. Then she shocked me by counting up to 40 (something no one had taught her). > > Less than 2 months after starting the NV, one night she had this little language explosion. In a span of 45 minutes, she started speaking in short phrases. We were having our first conversation! She would say something like " I want play game " and I would say " which one? " and she would say " this one " . > > After 3 months, she started regularly speaking in 6 word sentences. She is still really, really hard to understand and even I struggle a lot to understand her, but her articulation is improving. > > So basically we went from saying " hat " before starting NV to now saying " I want put hat on Mommy " . Or like this morning, she pointed to a light in the bathroom that was out and said, " uh-oh, that light is out. Will you fix it? " Of course it comes out sounding like " uh-oh, yah yite ih out. Wih fix ih? " But she's really trying. > > I can't even believe what has happened. Everyone is amazed. I think even Zoe is amazed. I can't wait to see what our future holds! Thank you, thank you, thank you for encouraging me to stick with it, and for telling others about this product. I really had no idea it would have this kind of effect on Zoe. I'm actually getting to know my little girl!!! That is priceless. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > That's I would say the classic line for NV- it helps us finally get to know our child. So many of us say that!! (if you read the blog here you'll see it ends almost the same way > > " I really recommend the Nutriiveda. I am having a blast getting to " know " my daughter better. There's something in this stuff that's working. I'll post again later. Thanks! " > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/24/can-you-have-whey-if-gfcf-in-support-of-\ dairy-in-the-autism-community/ > > > Also the way Zoe noticed the light and talked about that reminds me of when Gretchen first updated us about noticing something about the snow breaking a gutter or something? Here's 's video updates for those that never saw them http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/22/apraxia-road-to-recovery-before-and-afte\ r-videos/ > > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 This is an amazing story and wonderful to hear. I have a few questions about NV. * Do you think it's the protein or the ayurvedic herbs that make the difference? I don't understand why the protein is needed - assuming kids eat a decent diet. * 10 g of protein in a scoop is a lot isn't it? With two scoops that would easily be my son's (3 yr old) entire protein requirement for the day. * I'm wondering if the kids that show improvement with NV have diets that are previously lacking in some way? I'm not sure how to phrase it but does it make a difference what the child normally eats? For example if you are eating white carbs all day compared to whole grain with tons of veggies (as an example) will the response to NV be different/same? * Is it vegetarian? This question is in the FAQs but they don't answer the question. * Are the vitamins in NV added separately (fortified)? They are not listed in the ingredients separately. If not, which of the ingredients is providing all the vitamins? For example vitamin D? It's not obvious. * Why don't they make it organic? Particularly the whey protein should be from an organic source. I know they say they test it for pesticides etc, but it's not the same. Is it from hormone-free cows? Thanks! -Kati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hi Kati -I'm going to separate our your questions here so I can answer each- great questions! * Do you think it's the protein or the ayurvedic herbs that make the difference? I don't understand why the protein is needed - assuming kids eat a decent diet. There is much research about the importance of the essential amino acids for neuro support and repair. In addition there are studies for some of the fruits, roots or leaves used- with a focus on the turmeric in research in the West. I'm not sure if you read any of the blogs but here are a few of the links on why NV may be helping. Then again perhaps it would depend on what we discover to be the root of our children's issues as if these disorders are based in viral- then the focus would completely be on the botanicals. Neurogenesis; Does Mother Nature Know Best? http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/22/neurogenesis-does-mother-nature-know-bes\ t/ Two new studies…choice is diet or drugs to help TBI/traumatic brain injury (research amino acids) http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/10/15/two-new-studies-choice-is-diet-or-drugs-\ to-help-tbitraumatic-brain-injury-research-amino-acids/ Added protein/amino acids and or enzymes help those with autism? http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/11/added-proteinamino-acids-and-or-enzymes-\ help-those-with-autism/ Mitochondrial Dysfunction in Autism and Other Disorders, Can Diet Help? http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/12/10/mitochondrial-dysfunction-in-autism-and-\ other-disorders-can-diet-help/ Autism, Antivirals, Drugs or Food? http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/12/10/mitochondrial-dysfunction-in-autism-and-\ other-disorders-can-diet-help/ Theories, Based in Science to Support Whole Food Therapy for Autism, Apraxia, Traumatic Brain Injury, Seizure Disorders http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/01/the-science-nutrition-and-special-needs/ * 10 g of protein in a scoop is a lot isn't it? With two scoops that would easily be my son's (3 yr old) entire protein requirement for the day. No actually 10 grams would not be your child's entire protein requirement for the day. According to the Mayo Clinic for a 2-3 year old boy or girl " 5 to 20% of daily calories (13 to 50 grams for 1,000 daily calories) " http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nutrition-for-kids/NU00606 There is a greater problem with lack of nutrition. Perhaps it is partly poor diet -but perhaps today's child due to various reasons is not properly digesting and utilizing the nutrients needed. Not sure if you read this one study going on right now for autism that has a basis in protein and the essential amino acids Added protein/amino acids and or enzymes help those with autism? http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/11/added-proteinamino-acids-and-or-enzymes-\ help-those-with-autism/ In addition one of the less talked about but just as exciting surges most of us experience within the first month of NV is rapid surges in growth and muscle. This includes those children that were previously considered failure to thrive Here is a list of areas of improvement seen in almost all put on NV and you'll notice growth below http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit-of-research/ * I'm wondering if the kids that show improvement with NV have diets that are previously lacking in some way? I'm not sure how to phrase it but does it make a difference what the child normally eats? For example if you are eating white carbs all day compared to whole grain with tons of veggies (as an example) will the response to NV be different/same? Going back to the " it's not what you eat it's what you digest " theory -I'd say for the most part the children in this group have a higher percentage of picky eaters due to sensory issues, yet a higher percentage of knowledgeable parents when it comes to nutrition. I believe that many parents here do not fall into the fast food trap with their kids as I talk about here on my newest blog about the Taco Bell class action lawsuit http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/28/taco-bell-eat-first-ask-questions-later/ My theory is that for whatever reason our children have an issue in the gut due to weakness or even damage to the metabolic and perhaps even the adrenal system- and perhaps it doesn't even stop there. I believe that NV being that it's an easily digestible isolate, so already partially broken down, and because all nutrients are from food and not added (sorry I know that's another question but it falls here a bit) that it's the purest form of supplementation. In addition, if you read the studies by Dr. Davies you'll find that even back in 2004 they discovered that the soils are lacking greatly in nutrients from years ago, and add to that the toxins not tested for such as heavy metals in organic meats or veggies. I know this page has much info but I cover both these aspects with links to research to support the theories here Theories, Based in Science to Support Whole Food Therapy for Autism, Apraxia, Traumatic Brain Injury, Seizure Disorders http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/01/the-science-nutrition-and-special-needs/ * Is it vegetarian? This question is in the FAQs but they don't answer the question. NV is vegetarian but it is not vegan since whey is derived from the milk of a cow. I cover about whey here for GFCF or for why whey is used in general http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/24/can-you-have-whey-if-gfcf-in-support-of-\ dairy-in-the-autism-community/ * Are the vitamins in NV added separately (fortified)? They are not listed in the ingredients separately. If not, which of the ingredients is providing all the vitamins? For example vitamin D? It's not obvious. All the vitamins and nutrients are from the foods in NV. Each ingredient is certified a food. Some of the nutrients or vitamins can come from more than one of the foods in NV. I have not done research to see specifically how much of each vitamin comes from each food ingredient in it -but I don't know the proprietary formula to know how much of each food ingredient is used exactly. I would suggest you could look up each food ingredient and check the nutrient value? Or if you want a short cut email me at lisa@... and I can get you in touch with the product specialist from the company who works with the world renowned doctors including Dr. Deepak Chopra who formulated and endorse NV. I have the ingredient list here http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nutriiveda-ingredients/ if you go to the bottom you'll notice the chocolate and vanilla nutritional labels. * Why don't they make it organic? Particularly the whey protein should be from an organic source. I know they say they test it for pesticides etc, but it's not the same. Is it from hormone-free cows? I believe that it's not the whey that is the problem but some of the botanicals coming from India- it's the way they are gathered- kind of a ceremony and the fruit and all has to be harvested at a certain time precisely. The good news is that it's all natural and in my opinion better than organic in that again everything organic you consume is not necessarily tested free of heavy metals. Every food ingredient in NV is tested free of heavy metals, as well as herbicides and pesticides- so in theory it's organic plus...just can't be called that due to again the botanicals. I am sure that the milk is to start organic -no expense was spared to make sure this was the top quality product and clearly there would have been toxins if they used milk from a cow that was not grass fed. And PS -the success story I added back below is not unique -there are quite a few more in the archives here as well as on the following links One Year Later; A Possible Cure Through Essential Nutrition For Autism, Apraxia Etc. http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/19/one-year-later-a-possible-cure-through-e\ ssential-nutrition-for-autism-apraxia-etc/ Testimonials From Parents And Professionals http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nutriiveda-testimonials/ Apraxia Road To Recovery Before and After Videos http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/22/apraxia-road-to-recovery-before-and-afte\ r-videos/ The other main questions you may have may be answered at the frequently asked question page http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/frequently_asked_questions/ or the serving suggestion page http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nv-serving-suggestions/ I may add some of your question to the FAQ page! 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 I had the same question. I wanted to share my experience because I think its important to report when NV doesn't seem to work.  My daughter is 28 months with low tone, developmental delays, and speech delays. She did a 1/2 scoop for one week and then 1 scoop per day x 1 month. She has always been a good eater and is appropriate for height/weight. I did not see progress that I had hoped for and was desperately looking for. In fact, I feel like she lost some regular clear words during our one month trial and only gained one word approximation. I am not sure why she lost words, and I don't feel like she is focusing on physical achievements anymore during this months either.ÂI am currently taking a break from NV to assess. I may consider a trial again at another point based on other people's success. Thanks for reading, Janelle > > Hi Kati -I'm going to separate our your questions here so I can answer each- great questions! > > * Do you think it's the protein or the ayurvedic herbs that make the difference? I don't understand why the protein is needed - assuming kids eat a decent diet. > > There is much research about the importance of the essential amino acids for neuro support and repair. In addition there are studies for some of the fruits, roots or leaves used- with a focus on the turmeric in research in the West. I'm not sure if you read any of the blogs but here are a few of the links on why NV may be helping. Then again perhaps it would depend on what we discover to be the root of our children's issues as if these disorders are based in viral- then the focus would completely be on the botanicals. > > Neurogenesis; Does Mother Nature Know Best? > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/22/neurogenesis-does-mother-nature-know-bes\ t/ > > Two new studies…choice is diet or drugs to help TBI/traumatic brain injury (research amino acids) > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/10/15/two-new-studies-choice-is-diet-or-drugs-\ to-help-tbitraumatic-brain-injury-research-amino-acids/ > > Added protein/amino acids and or enzymes help those with autism? > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/11/added-proteinamino-acids-and-or-enzymes-\ help-those-with-autism/ > > Mitochondrial Dysfunction in Autism and Other Disorders, Can Diet Help? > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/12/10/mitochondrial-dysfunction-in-autism-and-\ other-disorders-can-diet-help/ > > Autism, Antivirals, Drugs or Food? > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/12/10/mitochondrial-dysfunction-in-autism-and-\ other-disorders-can-diet-help/ > > Theories, Based in Science to Support Whole Food Therapy for Autism, Apraxia, Traumatic Brain Injury, Seizure Disorders > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/01/the-science-nutrition-and-special-needs/ > > * 10 g of protein in a scoop is a lot isn't it? With two scoops that would easily be my son's (3 yr old) entire protein requirement for the day. > > No actually 10 grams would not be your child's entire protein requirement for the day. According to the Mayo Clinic for a 2-3 year old boy or girl " 5 to 20% of daily calories (13 to 50 grams for 1,000 daily calories) " > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nutrition-for-kids/NU00606 > > There is a greater problem with lack of nutrition. Perhaps it is partly poor diet -but perhaps today's child due to various reasons is not properly digesting and utilizing the nutrients needed. Not sure if you read this one study going on right now for autism that has a basis in protein and the essential amino acids > Added protein/amino acids and or enzymes help those with autism? > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/11/added-proteinamino-acids-and-or-enzymes-\ help-those-with-autism/ In addition one of the less talked about but just as exciting surges most of us experience within the first month of NV is rapid surges in growth and muscle. This includes those children that were previously considered failure to thrive > > Here is a list of areas of improvement seen in almost all put on NV and you'll notice growth below > http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit-of-research/ > > * I'm wondering if the kids that show improvement with NV have diets that are previously lacking in some way? I'm not sure how to phrase it but does it make a difference what the child normally eats? For example if you are eating white carbs all day compared to whole grain with tons of veggies (as an example) will the response to NV be different/same? > > Going back to the " it's not what you eat it's what you digest " theory -I'd say for the most part the children in this group have a higher percentage of picky eaters due to sensory issues, yet a higher percentage of knowledgeable parents when it comes to nutrition. I believe that many parents here do not fall into the fast food trap with their kids as I talk about here on my newest blog about the Taco Bell class action lawsuit http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/28/taco-bell-eat-first-ask-questions-later/ > > My theory is that for whatever reason our children have an issue in the gut due to weakness or even damage to the metabolic and perhaps even the adrenal system- and perhaps it doesn't even stop there. I believe that NV being that it's an easily digestible isolate, so already partially broken down, and because all nutrients are from food and not added (sorry I know that's another question but it falls here a bit) that it's the purest form of supplementation. In addition, if you read the studies by Dr. Davies you'll find that even back in 2004 they discovered that the soils are lacking greatly in nutrients from years ago, and add to that the toxins not tested for such as heavy metals in organic meats or veggies. I know this page has much info but I cover both these aspects with links to research to support the theories here Theories, Based in Science to Support Whole Food Therapy for Autism, Apraxia, Traumatic Brain Injury, Seizure Disorders > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/01/the-science-nutrition-and-special-needs/ > > * Is it vegetarian? This question is in the FAQs but they don't answer the question. > > NV is vegetarian but it is not vegan since whey is derived from the milk of a cow. I cover about whey here for GFCF or for why whey is used in general http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/24/can-you-have-whey-if-gfcf-in-support-of-\ dairy-in-the-autism-community/ > > * Are the vitamins in NV added separately (fortified)? They are not listed in the ingredients separately. If not, which of the ingredients is providing all the vitamins? For example vitamin D? It's not obvious. > > All the vitamins and nutrients are from the foods in NV. Each ingredient is certified a food. Some of the nutrients or vitamins can come from more than one of the foods in NV. I have not done research to see specifically how much of each vitamin comes from each food ingredient in it -but I don't know the proprietary formula to know how much of each food ingredient is used exactly. I would suggest you could look up each food ingredient and check the nutrient value? Or if you want a short cut email me at lisa@... and I can get you in touch with the product specialist from the company who works with the world renowned doctors including Dr. Deepak Chopra who formulated and endorse NV. I have the ingredient list here http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nutriiveda-ingredients/ if you go to the bottom you'll notice the chocolate and vanilla nutritional labels. > > * Why don't they make it organic? Particularly the whey protein should be from an organic source. I know they say they test it for pesticides etc, but it's not the same. Is it from hormone-free cows? > > I believe that it's not the whey that is the problem but some of the botanicals coming from India- it's the way they are gathered- kind of a ceremony and the fruit and all has to be harvested at a certain time precisely. The good news is that it's all natural and in my opinion better than organic in that again everything organic you consume is not necessarily tested free of heavy metals. Every food ingredient in NV is tested free of heavy metals, as well as herbicides and pesticides- so in theory it's organic plus...just can't be called that due to again the botanicals. I am sure that the milk is to start organic -no expense was spared to make sure this was the top quality product and clearly there would have been toxins if they used milk from a cow that was not grass fed. > > And PS -the success story I added back below is not unique -there are quite a few more in the archives here as well as on the following links > > One Year Later; A Possible Cure Through Essential Nutrition For Autism, Apraxia Etc. > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/19/one-year-later-a-possible-cure-through-e\ ssential-nutrition-for-autism-apraxia-etc/ > > Testimonials From Parents And Professionals > http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nutriiveda-testimonials/ > > Apraxia Road To Recovery Before and After Videos > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/22/apraxia-road-to-recovery-before-and-afte\ r-videos/ > > The other main questions you may have may be answered at the frequently asked question page http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/frequently_asked_questions/ or the serving suggestion page http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nv-serving-suggestions/ > > I may add some of your question to the FAQ page! 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hi , Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions in detail. Just a few follow up comments/questions below. > * 10 g of protein in a scoop is a lot isn't it? With two scoops that would easily be my son's (3 yr old) entire protein requirement for the day. > > No actually 10 grams would not be your child's entire protein requirement for the day. According to the Mayo Clinic for a 2-3 year old boy or girl " 5 to 20% of daily calories (13 to 50 grams for 1,000 daily calories) " My point was that the minimum protein requirement is only about 15 grams, so 2 scoops of NV would more than satisfy this. Plus what he gets from eating food, that could add up to a lot. I know it's not enough to be dangerous, but excess protein is not necessarily a good thing. > * Is it vegetarian? This question is in the FAQs but they don't answer the question. > > NV is vegetarian but it is not vegan since whey is derived from the milk of a cow. I cover about whey here for GFCF or for why whey is used in general http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/24/can-you-have-whey-if-gfcf-in-support-of-\ dairy-in-the-autism-community/ Thanks for confirming - the FAQs just need updating I think. > > * Are the vitamins in NV added separately (fortified)? They are not listed in the ingredients separately. If not, which of the ingredients is providing all the vitamins? For example vitamin D? It's not obvious. > > All the vitamins and nutrients are from the foods in NV. Each ingredient is certified a food. Some of the nutrients or vitamins can come from more than one of the foods in NV. I have not done research to see specifically how much of each vitamin comes from each food ingredient in it -but I don't know the proprietary formula to know how much of each food ingredient is used exactly. I would suggest you could look up each food ingredient and check the nutrient value? Or if you want a short cut email me at lisa@... and I can get you in touch with the product specialist from the company who works with the world renowned doctors including Dr. Deepak Chopra who formulated and endorse NV. I looked up nutrition from the whey protein and it doesn't have all these vitamins. It's unlikely small amounts of herbs would either. I also found it interesting that the vitamin values are all exactly 100% of the RDA. That's impossible if they are not added separately. Plus, this description seems to imply that vitamins are added: http://store.chopra.com/productinfo.asp?item=708 & deptcode1=629 " NutriiVeda is a refreshing 100%-natural meal-replacement drink that combines a proprietary blend of 7 Ayurvedic botanicals along with over 22 vitamins and minerals, high quality protein, soluble fiber, and essential amino acids. " " Contains premium nutrition including 22 vitamins and minerals, 20 amino acids, and high-quality sources of protein and soluble fiber. " It sounds like they added the vitamins ( " along with " and " including 22 vitamins and minerals " ). Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it's not from the items in the ingredients list, it's just fortified. Can you clarify with the manufacturers? > > * Why don't they make it organic? Particularly the whey protein should be from an organic source. I know they say they test it for pesticides etc, but it's not the same. Is it from hormone-free cows? > > I believe that it's not the whey that is the problem but some of the botanicals coming from India- it's the way they are gathered- kind of a ceremony and the fruit and all has to be harvested at a certain time precisely. The good news is that it's all natural and in my opinion better than organic in that again everything organic you consume is not necessarily tested free of heavy metals. Every food ingredient in NV is tested free of heavy metals, as well as herbicides and pesticides- so in theory it's organic plus...just can't be called that due to again the botanicals. I am sure that the milk is to start organic -no expense was spared to make sure this was the top quality product and clearly there would have been toxins if they used milk from a cow that was not grass fed. > I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't list the whey as organic if it actually was. They list the sugar as organic. At a minimum the whey should be from grass fed GMO/hormone free cows. Plus there are plenty of organic ayurvedic herb blends available on the Chopra website for example. Do you have more details on the testing? I couldn't find it on the Zrii website other than a statement saying it was tested (but by whom? how?). It's easy to test and say things are " zero " if you round down (e.g. trans fat in food can be labeled as zero if it's less than 0.5 g per serving, but it's still not zero). This can be the case if the serving size they tested was small too. Consumer Reports did a test recently and found lots of protein drinks had metals etc. Thank again for all the detailed links and thoughtful answers! -Kati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hi again Kati, In addition to doing your own research, I do recommend you find a medical doctor who has knowledge about nutrition. When the Mayo Clinic which states 5 to 20% of daily calories of a 1000 calorie diet or 13 to 50 grams of protein a day for a child 2-3 years old I believe they are giving a range of what is OK -not saying one it too high or too low -but you probably should aim for the middle -or again check with your child's ped. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nutrition-for-kids/NU00606 I don't know you or your child or what type of diet or amount of calories you feed your child. We tend to be more analytical even then our doctors when it comes to nutrition http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/28/taco-bell-eat-first-ask-questions-later/ Pediatricians, neurologists, MDs or PhDs who have knowledge about nutrition, and PhDs in nutrition as well are approving NV for children. In some cases they are recommending dosages higher than what I have here http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nv-serving-suggestions/ I do have a doctor information page here NV is not fortified -all nutrients are from the foods. I have been to the Chopra Center and have met with the doctors behind it, as well as have met Bill Farley a number of times and have met the manufacturer as well. If you look at the ingredient list here- http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nutriiveda-ingredients/ you will see the following for the ingredients for chocolate for example Ingredients: Whey Protein Isolates, Rice Life powder(Brown Rice), Natural Cocoa Powder, Apple Fiber, Organic Cane Sugar, Proprietary Ayurvedic Blend (Guggul, Amalaki, Green Tea, Haritaki, Turmeric, Gymnerma, Cayenne Pepper), Xanthan Gum, Stevia, L-Taurine, L-Theanine. And of course not 'added' to the whey isolate but found naturally in it would be the essential amino acids (Amino Acids: Alanine, Arginine, Aspartic Acid, Cystin, Glutamic Acid, Glycine, Histidine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine, Proline, Serine, Thereonine, Trytophan, Tyrosine, Valine) which are vital for life. If a product is fortified those nutrients need to be added to the ingredients. For example as the FDA clearly states Q How are ingredients listed on a product label? A Food manufacturers are required to list all ingredients in the food on the label. On a product label, the ingredients are listed in order of predominance, with the ingredients used in the greatest amount first, followed in descending order by those in smaller amounts. The label must list the names of any FDA-certified color additives (e.g., FD & C Blue No. 1 or the abbreviated name, Blue 1). But some ingredients can be listed collectively as " flavors, " " spices, " " artificial flavoring, " or in the case of color additives exempt from certification, " artificial colors " , without naming each one. Declaration of an allergenic ingredient in a collective or single color, flavor, or spice could be accomplished by simply naming the allergenic ingredient in the ingredient list. And if a product 'is' fortified they need to list it in the ingredients...for example for Kelloggs Special K Special K Cereal * Made by Kellogg's Ingredients Rice, Sugar, Whole Grain Wheat, Wheat Gluten, Freeze Dried Strawberries, Defatted Wheat Germ, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Salt, Wheat Flour, Malt Flavoring. Vitamins and Minerals: Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)Alpha Tocopherol Acetate (Vitamin E)Reduced Iron, Niacinamide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6)Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)Thiamin Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1)Vitamin A Palmitate, Folic Acid and Vitamin B12. (notice the added vitamins on the ingredient list?) I can again if you email me at lisa@... put you in touch with someone in charge of products at the company but they won't be open until Monday -about doubting the nutrients are from the ingredients -world renowned medical doctors are behind it and the company's very active CEO is a multi billionaire who is well respected in every circle including government http://www.meetbillfarley I would not claim to have the knowledge about all the botanicals as the doctors would, but I certainly wouldn't doubt that what is listed on the ingredient panel is accurate...as we know from Taco Bell someone is out there testing NV to sue the company in a class action. Of course! I mean this is the US! But about the botanicals in NV- according to Dr. Chopra that amalaki has some of the highest sources of nutrients on the planet. The video for that may be on the bottom of this page here http://pursuitofresearch.org/endorsed-by-the-chopra-center/ and if not I'll look for it. I do know that if you tried to even locate online a 100 percent casein free whey it's almost impossible- and I know it's considered the highest quality. As I wrote in my last email -if it's not organic it's because it's probably better than organic as once again organic doesn't mean it's tested free of heavy metals. I suggest you read this http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/19/pregnant-women-cry-over-new-studies-toxi\ ns-and-drugs-and-poor-diets-oh-my/ because no matter how organic you try to be as I do as well, we still live on planet Earth -which has become more toxic. We are all exposed to these toxins through air, water, soil and food- and thus to me anyway having a product that is natural and tested free of heavy metals, herbicides and pesticides is better than organic. Again please email me and on Monday there are people I can get you in touch with. Every upper corporate person in Zrii is aware of what is going on in our group and knows me as well -so I can get you in touch with someone who will explain what I'm saying better than me as I apologize that I appear to not know how to explain the answers to you. ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hi Janelle, It is good that you share- part of the problem of why NV appears to be too good to be true is that there are so few children it has not worked for- but it must be impossible to work for 100 percent sadly. I do know there are those children in rare cases it takes a bit longer to work for, or one parent who found even more dramatic surges on chocolate than vanilla. But in most cases where it's not dramatic surges which is the majority it appears there are subtle surges...but they all add up. The following is a recent update from Griffen from our group who can share that at one point she was so sad reading all the other dramatic surges when he son had such minor ones....of course in your child's situation I'd stop it too. Keep us posted what happens over the next few months. I know when there are surges in another area (say academics) without the NV as the child is learning this other area - the speech regresses so it's not that I haven't heard that before, but to not see anything doesn't make sense. Here's info from and she's an active member so maybe the two of you can talk? Hi all- A 4 day holiday weekend.... that included a break in all activities, school, and even my Son's Speech therapy, has caused me to have extra time to go through a huge pile of old " Mini DV Tapes " from our camcorder- to simply label what was on each of them. The pile of " non labelled tapes was really bothering me.... it was nice to finally take the time to label what was on them! I found the old tape, where I recoreded my son BEFORE NV last Feb..... I also saw the numerous videos of him that I recorded of him in the next few weeks. My Son was 35 months old when he started NV.... he is now 44 months old. I tried to take time to post these videos on You Tube.... but was not able to have success... the tapes were stored... but not forgotten! I wanted to discuss some of my feelings/observations after seeing these videos as follows: 1. My Son has a diagnosis of moderate to severe Apraxia.... (I feel that he leans more toward the Severe end).. When we started NV, I think that I expected a MIRACLE.... and it did not occur....I was too emotional with worry over my son's condition to even notice the small changes that occurred within 2 weeks after NV! Looking at all of these videos with a CLEARER MIND made me see that there WERE CLEAR DIFFERENCES! My parents even noticed the differences when watching the videos! My son seemed much more focused after the second week of NV. He also went through the typical " hyper stage " that some of our kids do-- but not in a bad way..... he simply was babbling more.... and trying harder to use " word approximations " ... which was good! (He barely made any sounds at all prior to NV.....to even get him to TRY to verbalize a " word approximation " was very hard back then). The increase in babbling was a GOOD thing.... think about it..... he had delays.... and he HAD to go through the babbling stage before attempting to master actual words. The NV helped him with this... and more and more " word approximations " started to emerge in the next few months! 2. Last year, I was so consumed with worry- my son had clear delays... he was in EI--- he soon would be turning age 3....(which to me, meant that he would be transitioning from EI to a Special Needs Pre K).... all of my energy was taken up with worry about how my son did not speak.... and how I had to FIND A WAY to FIGHT the " Special Needs PK School who did NOT believe in 1:1 pull out ST.... I was too distraught to SEE the changes in my own child! I feel that I had " high hopes " that he would have an increase in speech abilities (meaning ,to me, the use of WORDS).... which he did not during the start of NV.... As mentioned in #1.... the NV assisted with the babbling... which assisted in the development of " word approximations " and so on.... 3. After looking at all of the old videos... and comparing them to even 1 week, 1 month after NV.... all the way up to the present..... it is CLEAR that SOMETHING DID CHANGE.... FOR THE BETTER! I CAN recall feeling really upset inside in the past.... because some of the moms who took the time to post " before and after videos of their children on NV " seemed to have kids who " seemed to have better Speech abilities than my Son on their BEFORE NV Videos " ... I was happy for them....(their kid's progress AFTER NV was very obvious)! I also, felt sad when I compared my son to these other kids.... when I compared him to them, he seemed to be even more behind in speech to me.... I can recall feeling quite depressed about this. 4. Months later..... with a clearer mind..... (more time to internally ACCEPT my Son's Speech Delays- and deal with them from a point of strength)... and also due to the fact that I DID obtain 1:1 pull out ST at the PK level in my State.... (Thanks again - for empowering me to achieve this).... I CAN now see differences.. and will describe them as follows... (Again, We just looked at a bunch of old videos of our Son.... the differences were CLEAR to us... and also to our Family Members who watched these with us).... 5). BEFORE NV - all Baby videos of Tyler show hardly any babbling other than MUM MUM MUM... he WAS able to create some pretty powerful Raspberries though! - older videos show clear Sensory Issues starting at age 5 months old.... Ty was screaming every time he was placed on grass in bare feet, He also had huge sensory issues at bath time..(it took awhile to get him used to the sensation of being in water). there were feeding issues (gagging on certain textures) that continue to this day as well. SHORTLY BEFORE START OF NV... (age 2 forward).... I seemed to ALWAYS be trying to get Tyler to point out his body parts on old videos.... He REALLY could point to his nose, his mouth, etc.... he just never did it on a video.... I sounded so pathetic on these videos... I kept asking him to show me his nose.... I kept asking him to talk to me.... and he appeared to have a blank look on his face as I did this. He would smile from time to time.... but he also always seemed to have a " BLANK " expression on his face... and his mouth used to hang open.... His eyes often, had no sparkle.... (my dad used to tell me that he thought Tyler was autistic during these days).... Tyler always TRIED to be social with others.... he also loved to hug others.... and he DID know where his nose and mouth, etc were.... he had " no words " .... but his smiles and hand/arm " gestures " made up for this. If I asked him " how big are you " ... he would raise his arms up in the air with a huge grin and say OOO eee (so big). Looking back, it almost seems like Tyler did not like " being put on the spot " to " talk " ..... in these old videos..... Tyler was a smart little kid... he started ST with EI at age 20 months.... he used to smile, and place his fingers in his ears when the therapist tried to work with him. He KNEW that " this speech stuff " was HARD! - I have a video of Tyler the day before we started NV..... we were going through home-made " Flash Cards " together (laminated pictures of family members, favorite toys and pets).... He was very distracted.. and became upset quickly... He continued to have a " blank expression " . AFTER NV.... The blank look on his face was gone by the second month after NV.... his FOCUS improved.... which caused his attention span during his ST sessions to improve... Speech abilities transitioned from babbling to more word approximations. the increase in his attention span helped him to get more out of his ST Sessions! He was able to follow directions better-- and he was more willing to TRY! We have always loved a " Fun Class for kids " called Kindermusik.... these classes are offered in most states- and they are awesome! Prior to NV, Tyler spent his Kindermusik class times trying to crawl toward to exit door.... NOW- he is engaged, follows directions... and LOVES IT! His " Words " have increased to the point where he can put together 3 word sentences..... such as " MUH OWE ON " (My show on)... He started to have an increased interest in singing this past July for the first time..... If I " sing simple songs slowly " .... he can follow me! This is the child who seemed to have zero interest in simple Nursery Rhymes at age 2 and age 3! He will be age 4 in March.... and, starting about 2 months ago, he is " catching up " to learning all of those Nursery Rhymes! (He can't sing them like " typical kids do " ).... BUT HE IS SINGING! It is beautiful! Have to include this.... Ty's version of " Twinkle Twinkle Little Star " .... EE OHL EE OHL EE- EE ARE... (Twinkle, twinkle little star) OW AYE WUH OO OW OO ARE. ( how I wondor what you are).. W's are hard- he has learned to put his hand over his mouth to " make the windy sound " when he attempts " W's " U-PAH uh uh WHHH-ole oh AYE! (S sounds are also hard).. He can spell his name to ther tune of the song " Bingo " now as well... He says T- AYE - luh - E- R-uh. He can count out objects up to 6.... he can identify colors... he DANCES! He is drawing the letter " T " correctly-- and often does it all over my walls in crayon! (I do not like this- but he is so cute.... I ask " who did this " .... he proudly, responds " ME " . We are very busy with all of his therapies... and also have a very advanced older daughter who is a firecracker.... (involved in dancing and acting classes.. and is doing an amazing job at it at only age 5.8 yrs old)- she talked early, knew her ABCs early... EVERYTHING she did and still does is EARLY. It is a CHALLENGE to balance our lives/schedules to meet the needs of these 2 children! We never " pushed " " potty training with Tyler " .... yet, he essentially, figured it all out on his own by simply trying to copy his older sister! In conclusion, I feel that Tyler has come very far in a short time.... and I BELIEVE that NV has assisted him to do this. We also are giving him the NN Fish Oils... he takes 2 Pro EFA, and one Pro EPA per day.... (These are huge gel caps--- I pierce them with a pin- and squirt them into his mouth). HE LOVES THEM! PLEASE-- to any of you who doubt NV-- DO NOT GIVE UP if it does not seem to create " instant miracles " .... MOST people do see immediate changes.... and some do not... (I fell into this category in my son's case), but if you had the patience to read my detailed descriptions of how my son was " Prior to NV " ... you can see that he had SIGNIFICANT Speech Delays! I feel that the NV assisted my Son to " go through the normal process of achieving developmental milestones that he was not able to achieve " ...... and CHILDREN MUST go through these milestones, as part of their development! YES- we all want our children to SPEAK at an age appropriate level...... when we have kids affected by Apraxia- this DOES NOT OCCUR! I feel confidant that NV assisted my son to " catch up " .... Yes- his Speech remains delayed.... but he improves every week! My child is a SMART kid--- now that he is more focused, and more confidant-- he WANTS to try to talk MORE! He learned and memorized the entire song " BINGO " during a short drive in the car (when his older sister, who interrupts him was not present)! He also has a diagnosis of Hypotonia.... and wore DAFOs (Orthotic Braces) from age 20 months on to assist with ankle pronation. His braces have been cut down in size! He can RUN, he can climb! NV IS HELPING HIM! ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Whoops sorry didn't put Bill's website in all the way http://www.meetbillfarley.com He's amazing -just amazing!- Oh- and by the way -check out what Bill inspired other than me http://pursuitofresearch.org/our-mission/ > > Hi again Kati, > > In addition to doing your own research, I do recommend you find a medical doctor who has knowledge about nutrition. When the Mayo Clinic which states 5 to 20% of daily calories of a 1000 calorie diet or 13 to 50 grams of protein a day for a child 2-3 years old I believe they are giving a range of what is OK -not saying one it too high or too low -but you probably should aim for the middle -or again check with your child's ped. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nutrition-for-kids/NU00606 > I don't know you or your child or what type of diet or amount of calories you feed your child. We tend to be more analytical even then our doctors when it comes to nutrition http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/28/taco-bell-eat-first-ask-questions-later/ Pediatricians, neurologists, MDs or PhDs who have knowledge about nutrition, and PhDs in nutrition as well are approving NV for children. In some cases they are recommending dosages higher than what I have here http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nv-serving-suggestions/ I do have a doctor information page here > > NV is not fortified -all nutrients are from the foods. I have been to the Chopra Center and have met with the doctors behind it, as well as have met Bill Farley a number of times and have met the manufacturer as well. If you look at the ingredient list here- http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nutriiveda-ingredients/ you will see the following for the ingredients for chocolate for example > > Ingredients: Whey Protein Isolates, Rice Life powder(Brown Rice), Natural Cocoa Powder, Apple Fiber, Organic Cane Sugar, Proprietary Ayurvedic Blend (Guggul, Amalaki, Green Tea, Haritaki, Turmeric, Gymnerma, Cayenne Pepper), Xanthan Gum, Stevia, L-Taurine, L-Theanine. > > And of course not 'added' to the whey isolate but found naturally in it would be the essential amino acids (Amino Acids: Alanine, Arginine, Aspartic Acid, Cystin, Glutamic Acid, Glycine, Histidine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine, Proline, Serine, Thereonine, Trytophan, Tyrosine, Valine) which are vital for life. > > If a product is fortified those nutrients need to be added to the ingredients. For example as the FDA clearly states > > Q How are ingredients listed on a product label? > > A Food manufacturers are required to list all ingredients in the food on the label. On a product label, the ingredients are listed in order of predominance, with the ingredients used in the greatest amount first, followed in descending order by those in smaller amounts. The label must list the names of any FDA-certified color additives (e.g., FD & C Blue No. 1 or the abbreviated name, Blue 1). But some ingredients can be listed collectively as " flavors, " " spices, " " artificial flavoring, " or in the case of color additives exempt from certification, " artificial colors " , without naming each one. Declaration of an allergenic ingredient in a collective or single color, flavor, or spice could be accomplished by simply naming the allergenic ingredient in the ingredient list. > > And if a product 'is' fortified they need to list it in the ingredients...for example for Kelloggs Special K > > Special K Cereal > * Made by Kellogg's > Ingredients > > Rice, Sugar, Whole Grain Wheat, Wheat Gluten, Freeze Dried Strawberries, Defatted Wheat Germ, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Salt, Wheat Flour, Malt Flavoring. Vitamins and Minerals: Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)Alpha Tocopherol Acetate (Vitamin E)Reduced Iron, Niacinamide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6)Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)Thiamin Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1)Vitamin A Palmitate, Folic Acid and Vitamin B12. > > (notice the added vitamins on the ingredient list?) > > > I can again if you email me at lisa@... put you in touch with someone in charge of products at the company but they won't be open until Monday -about doubting the nutrients are from the ingredients -world renowned medical doctors are behind it and the company's very active CEO is a multi billionaire who is well respected in every circle including government http://www.meetbillfarley I would not claim to have the knowledge about all the botanicals as the doctors would, but I certainly wouldn't doubt that what is listed on the ingredient panel is accurate...as we know from Taco Bell someone is out there testing NV to sue the company in a class action. Of course! I mean this is the US! But about the botanicals in NV- according to Dr. Chopra that amalaki has some of the highest sources of nutrients on the planet. The video for that may be on the bottom of this page here http://pursuitofresearch.org/endorsed-by-the-chopra-center/ and if not I'll look for it. > > I do know that if you tried to even locate online a 100 percent casein free whey it's almost impossible- and I know it's considered the highest quality. As I wrote in my last email -if it's not organic it's because it's probably better than organic as once again organic doesn't mean it's tested free of heavy metals. I suggest you read this http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/19/pregnant-women-cry-over-new-studies-toxi\ ns-and-drugs-and-poor-diets-oh-my/ because no matter how organic you try to be as I do as well, we still live on planet Earth -which has become more toxic. We are all exposed to these toxins through air, water, soil and food- and thus to me anyway having a product that is natural and tested free of heavy metals, herbicides and pesticides is better than organic. > > Again please email me and on Monday there are people I can get you in touch with. Every upper corporate person in Zrii is aware of what is going on in our group and knows me as well -so I can get you in touch with someone who will explain what I'm saying better than me as I apologize that I appear to not know how to explain the answers to you. > > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hi , > > NV is not fortified -all nutrients are from the foods. I have been to the Chopra Center and have met with the doctors behind it, as well >... I think it's worth clarifying this issue. The labeling requirements may be different for supplements (as opposed to regular food). For example most vitamins list the detailed vitamins in the table, and then below it will say " other ingredients " and they don't re-list the vitamins. Maybe NV is doing something similar? For example, Vitamin D-3 is listed on the NV label - this is only found in animal products (and there is barely any naturally found in cow's milk, so milk is normally fortified). So I think NV must be fortified. Technically this would make the product not vegetarian too! (Vitamin D-2 is a vegetarian form but not as easy to assimilate.) Don't get me wrong - I don't have a problem with vitamins being added to NV. I just think the labeling and the marketing should be completely straightforward and provide all the details. I agree with you that testing as free of toxins etc is a great thing. If they made it organic in addition, they would just earn a lot more bonus points in my book! A lot of " toxins " are not measurable by conventional tests either - e.g. water treatment plants cannot measure pharmaceutical compounds which are polluting our water. Anyway, it's impossible to be completely pure but organic combined with all the testing they do would be great. I will email you and we can ask the people who have the details. I think more information only makes it a stronger product. Best, Kati > > > > Hi again Kati, > > > > In addition to doing your own research, I do recommend you find a medical doctor who has knowledge about nutrition. When the Mayo Clinic which states 5 to 20% of daily calories of a 1000 calorie diet or 13 to 50 grams of protein a day for a child 2-3 years old I believe they are giving a range of what is OK -not saying one it too high or too low -but you probably should aim for the middle -or again check with your child's ped. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nutrition-for-kids/NU00606 > > I don't know you or your child or what type of diet or amount of calories you feed your child. We tend to be more analytical even then our doctors when it comes to nutrition http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/28/taco-bell-eat-first-ask-questions-later/ Pediatricians, neurologists, MDs or PhDs who have knowledge about nutrition, and PhDs in nutrition as well are approving NV for children. In some cases they are recommending dosages higher than what I have here http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nv-serving-suggestions/ I do have a doctor information page here > > > > NV is not fortified -all nutrients are from the foods. I have been to the Chopra Center and have met with the doctors behind it, as well as have met Bill Farley a number of times and have met the manufacturer as well. If you look at the ingredient list here- http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nutriiveda-ingredients/ you will see the following for the ingredients for chocolate for example > > > > Ingredients: Whey Protein Isolates, Rice Life powder(Brown Rice), Natural Cocoa Powder, Apple Fiber, Organic Cane Sugar, Proprietary Ayurvedic Blend (Guggul, Amalaki, Green Tea, Haritaki, Turmeric, Gymnerma, Cayenne Pepper), Xanthan Gum, Stevia, L-Taurine, L-Theanine. > > > > And of course not 'added' to the whey isolate but found naturally in it would be the essential amino acids (Amino Acids: Alanine, Arginine, Aspartic Acid, Cystin, Glutamic Acid, Glycine, Histidine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine, Proline, Serine, Thereonine, Trytophan, Tyrosine, Valine) which are vital for life. > > > > If a product is fortified those nutrients need to be added to the ingredients. For example as the FDA clearly states > > > > Q How are ingredients listed on a product label? > > > > A Food manufacturers are required to list all ingredients in the food on the label. On a product label, the ingredients are listed in order of predominance, with the ingredients used in the greatest amount first, followed in descending order by those in smaller amounts. The label must list the names of any FDA-certified color additives (e.g., FD & C Blue No. 1 or the abbreviated name, Blue 1). But some ingredients can be listed collectively as " flavors, " " spices, " " artificial flavoring, " or in the case of color additives exempt from certification, " artificial colors " , without naming each one. Declaration of an allergenic ingredient in a collective or single color, flavor, or spice could be accomplished by simply naming the allergenic ingredient in the ingredient list. > > > > And if a product 'is' fortified they need to list it in the ingredients...for example for Kelloggs Special K > > > > Special K Cereal > > * Made by Kellogg's > > Ingredients > > > > Rice, Sugar, Whole Grain Wheat, Wheat Gluten, Freeze Dried Strawberries, Defatted Wheat Germ, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Salt, Wheat Flour, Malt Flavoring. Vitamins and Minerals: Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)Alpha Tocopherol Acetate (Vitamin E)Reduced Iron, Niacinamide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6)Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)Thiamin Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1)Vitamin A Palmitate, Folic Acid and Vitamin B12. > > > > (notice the added vitamins on the ingredient list?) > > > > > > I can again if you email me at lisa@ put you in touch with someone in charge of products at the company but they won't be open until Monday -about doubting the nutrients are from the ingredients -world renowned medical doctors are behind it and the company's very active CEO is a multi billionaire who is well respected in every circle including government http://www.meetbillfarley I would not claim to have the knowledge about all the botanicals as the doctors would, but I certainly wouldn't doubt that what is listed on the ingredient panel is accurate...as we know from Taco Bell someone is out there testing NV to sue the company in a class action. Of course! I mean this is the US! But about the botanicals in NV- according to Dr. Chopra that amalaki has some of the highest sources of nutrients on the planet. The video for that may be on the bottom of this page here http://pursuitofresearch.org/endorsed-by-the-chopra-center/ and if not I'll look for it. > > > > I do know that if you tried to even locate online a 100 percent casein free whey it's almost impossible- and I know it's considered the highest quality. As I wrote in my last email -if it's not organic it's because it's probably better than organic as once again organic doesn't mean it's tested free of heavy metals. I suggest you read this http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/19/pregnant-women-cry-over-new-studies-toxi\ ns-and-drugs-and-poor-diets-oh-my/ because no matter how organic you try to be as I do as well, we still live on planet Earth -which has become more toxic. We are all exposed to these toxins through air, water, soil and food- and thus to me anyway having a product that is natural and tested free of heavy metals, herbicides and pesticides is better than organic. > > > > Again please email me and on Monday there are people I can get you in touch with. Every upper corporate person in Zrii is aware of what is going on in our group and knows me as well -so I can get you in touch with someone who will explain what I'm saying better than me as I apologize that I appear to not know how to explain the answers to you. > > > > > > ===== > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 , You probably need to find out for a fact about the fortification of NV before you assume that it is naturally occurring from food. Some of the vitamins do naturally occur from food but, according to the FDA regulations of dietary supplements, I found information about required disclosure on the labels in which added vitamins are indicated by the % on the label, not necessarily in the ingredient list. See the following. From the US Food and Drug Administration in layman terms regarding dietary supplements http://www.fda.gov/food/dietarysupplements/consumerinformation/ucm110417.htm this link is from the federal regulations of food and drugs and is the index to all regulations regarding food, nutrition and labeling This link has the specific regulations for nutrition labeling of dietary supplements - see subpart C http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr;sid=72c76f5938a6ade2711312f\ 2e0ec0078;rgn=div5;view=text;node=21%3A2.0.1.1.2;idno=21;cc=ecfr#21:2.0.1.1.2.3.\ 1.1 In one part of this regulation, it states the following which makes me think that the vitamins are indeed added to Nutriiveda since Kati rightly questioned that all of the vitamins on the NV label are listed as RDI of 100% (2) Information on dietary ingredients that have a Reference Daily Intake (RDI) or a Daily Reference Value (DRV) as established in §101.9© and their subcomponents (hereinafter referred to as " ((2)-dietary ingredients " ). (i) The ((2)-dietary ingredients to be declared, that is, total calories, calories from fat, total fat, saturated fat, trans fat, cholesterol, sodium, total carbohydrate, dietary fiber, sugars, protein, vitamin A, vitamin C, calcium and iron, shall be declared when they are present in a dietary supplement in quantitative amounts by weight that exceed the amount that can be declared as zero in nutrition labeling of foods in accordance with §101.9©. Calories from saturated fat and polyunsaturated fat, monounsaturated fat, soluble fiber, insoluble fiber, sugar alcohol, and other carbohydrate may be declared, but they shall be declared when a claim is made about them. Any other vitamins or minerals listed in §101.9©(8)(iv) or ©(9) may be declared, but they shall be declared when they are added to the product for purposes of supplementation, or when a claim is made about them. Any ((2)-dietary ingredients that are not present, or that are present in amounts that can be declared as zero in §101.9©, shall not be declared (e.g., amounts corresponding to less than 2 percent of the RDI for vitamins and minerals). Protein shall not be declared on labels of products that, other than ingredients added solely for technological reasons, contain only individual amino acids. this link talks about food labeling: how ingredients are to be labeled for consumers, very interesting if you scroll down and see the various examples of labels http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr & sid=563f0b6235da3f4c7912a64\ cbceec305 & rgn=div8 & view=text & node=21:2.0.1.1.2.3.1.1 & idno=21 Lots of information to digest (excuse the pun!) Lori > > > NV is not fortified -all nutrients are from the foods. I have been to the Chopra Center and have met with the doctors behind it, as well as have met Bill Farley a number of times and have met the manufacturer as well. If you look at the ingredient list here- http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nutriiveda-ingredients/ you will see the following for the ingredients for chocolate for example > > Ingredients: Whey Protein Isolates, Rice Life powder(Brown Rice), Natural Cocoa Powder, Apple Fiber, Organic Cane Sugar, Proprietary Ayurvedic Blend (Guggul, Amalaki, Green Tea, Haritaki, Turmeric, Gymnerma, Cayenne Pepper), Xanthan Gum, Stevia, L-Taurine, L-Theanine. > > And of course not 'added' to the whey isolate but found naturally in it would be the essential amino acids (Amino Acids: Alanine, Arginine, Aspartic Acid, Cystin, Glutamic Acid, Glycine, Histidine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine, Proline, Serine, Thereonine, Trytophan, Tyrosine, Valine) which are vital for life. > > If a product is fortified those nutrients need to be added to the ingredients. For example as the FDA clearly states > > Q How are ingredients listed on a product label? > > A Food manufacturers are required to list all ingredients in the food on the label. On a product label, the ingredients are listed in order of predominance, with the ingredients used in the greatest amount first, followed in descending order by those in smaller amounts. The label must list the names of any FDA-certified color additives (e.g., FD & C Blue No. 1 or the abbreviated name, Blue 1). But some ingredients can be listed collectively as " flavors, " " spices, " " artificial flavoring, " or in the case of color additives exempt from certification, " artificial colors " , without naming each one. Declaration of an allergenic ingredient in a collective or single color, flavor, or spice could be accomplished by simply naming the allergenic ingredient in the ingredient list. > > And if a product 'is' fortified they need to list it in the ingredients...for example for Kelloggs Special K > > Special K Cereal > * Made by Kellogg's > Ingredients > > Rice, Sugar, Whole Grain Wheat, Wheat Gluten, Freeze Dried Strawberries, Defatted Wheat Germ, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Salt, Wheat Flour, Malt Flavoring. Vitamins and Minerals: Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)Alpha Tocopherol Acetate (Vitamin E)Reduced Iron, Niacinamide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6)Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)Thiamin Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1)Vitamin A Palmitate, Folic Acid and Vitamin B12. > > (notice the added vitamins on the ingredient list?) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 hi Lori, I again am not assuming anything and wrote what I was told. NV is formulated and endorsed by world renowned doctors like Dr. Deepak Chopra http://pursuitofresearch.org/endorsed-by-the-chopra-center/ and manufactured by billionaire and well respected Bill Farley. Too bad we as a society didn't put this much effort into finding out what's in Taco Bell meat or Toxic Waste candy prior to making the owner of those companies successful. Maybe we'd all eat healthier. It is possible that I misunderstood my conversations and that they chose not to put the fortification on the label but I will clarify everything on Monday -tomorrow. Today is Sunday Oh and PS -the original message for this thread all of the rest of this aside was about a parent sharing a remarkable surge in her child- and did one person congratulate her? Sad, ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Hi - I'm sorry for hi-jacking this thread. I should have put a new title on my post with all my questions. I did start by saying I think it's wonderful to hear this amazing story!! These stories are the only reason I am thinking about NV so much. So congratulations to again and to all the other successes out there - you give us hope! -Kati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Hi, I just wanted to say congratulations on this amazing progress & it brings tears to my eyes when you hear people saying that they are getting to know their own kids! I have two children & Lily who are both on NV for almost 1 year now & are doing great. My son is now off hos seizure meds. for 5 months now! And My daughter will possibly going off of hers soon as well. Dawn Falley 631-447-0615 > > allowed me to share this private conversation- but if anyone wants to be in touch with just email me at lisa@... Also does anyone have any experience with strokes and NV? Even if it's in the senior population although looking for experience in the pediatric population for a parent knows. > > ~~~~~~~~ > Yes, please share it with the group!! It really is incredible. I honestly did not think we would be one of the lucky ones to see such drastic improvement, especially because Zoe was essentially nonverbal. It's all happened so fast I don't think I've even processed it yet. > > Zoe goes to a school that is especially for children with speech and language difficulties, and I just emailed my friends whose kids go there to tell them about our story. I just wanted them to know this product is out there and that it may help. I actually also gave them your email address just in case they have specific questions, I hope that's okay! (I also gave them the website). One of them, Whitney ___, has a 3 3/4 year old son named _____ who had two strokes either prenatally or just after his birth. Do you have any knowledge of anyone else under these circumstances that has used NV, or have any thoughts I can share with her? > > Thanks again! I will keep you updated as Zoe's progress continues. We just moved up to 3/4 of a scoop so who knows what more can happen!! > > > > ~~~first message from > > Hi ! > > Thanks so much for your help! > > I'm sure you don't remember me since you talk with so many people, but I've been wanting to update you for a while. I started my daughter Zoe on Nutriiveda in late September, using one scoop. At the time she was 3 1/2 years old and profoundly apraxic. She was only able to say vowel sounds and CVs, and had just started putting the final consonant on some of her single syllable words (which I was thrilled with!). She was definitely not putting two words together - in fact she could not even put two syllables together. > > So, fast forward to 4 months later. And....(drumroll).....she is saying 6 word sentences!!!!! > > I have a lot to thank you for - because I was actually going to stop using the NV because Zoe was getting awful diarrhea when she started. But I emailed you and you encouraged me not to quit - you said Zoe was de-toxing, that I should try cutting it down to 1/4 scoop. So I did, and the diarrhea stopped. > > One week later, Zoe opened up a book and counted up to 20, out of the blue (before she was only counting up to 10). She started using words that we had not recently used with her - words she was pulling up from her memory and able to say without help. > > Two weeks later she started putting two words together consistently. Then she shocked me by counting up to 40 (something no one had taught her). > > Less than 2 months after starting the NV, one night she had this little language explosion. In a span of 45 minutes, she started speaking in short phrases. We were having our first conversation! She would say something like " I want play game " and I would say " which one? " and she would say " this one " . > > After 3 months, she started regularly speaking in 6 word sentences. She is still really, really hard to understand and even I struggle a lot to understand her, but her articulation is improving. > > So basically we went from saying " hat " before starting NV to now saying " I want put hat on Mommy " . Or like this morning, she pointed to a light in the bathroom that was out and said, " uh-oh, that light is out. Will you fix it? " Of course it comes out sounding like " uh-oh, yah yite ih out. Wih fix ih? " But she's really trying. > > I can't even believe what has happened. Everyone is amazed. I think even Zoe is amazed. I can't wait to see what our future holds! Thank you, thank you, thank you for encouraging me to stick with it, and for telling others about this product. I really had no idea it would have this kind of effect on Zoe. I'm actually getting to know my little girl!!! That is priceless. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > That's I would say the classic line for NV- it helps us finally get to know our child. So many of us say that!! (if you read the blog here you'll see it ends almost the same way > > " I really recommend the Nutriiveda. I am having a blast getting to " know " my daughter better. There's something in this stuff that's working. I'll post again later. Thanks! " > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/24/can-you-have-whey-if-gfcf-in-support-of-\ dairy-in-the-autism-community/ > > > Also the way Zoe noticed the light and talked about that reminds me of when Gretchen first updated us about noticing something about the snow breaking a gutter or something? Here's 's video updates for those that never saw them http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/22/apraxia-road-to-recovery-before-and-afte\ r-videos/ > > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I want to say congratulations to you. When I read this message the first time I remember relating to what you wrote about not expecting NV to work so quick, for us within a day. We didn't expect it to work at all, certainly not dramatically as it has for us as well. Our son has only been on NV for one month. When I read that your son is now saying 6 word sentences in 4 months, I remember just walking away from my computer wondering now if this will be possible for us too. I should have wrote to say how happy I was for you then. Bless you and your family, I am so happy for you and may we too share the same joy! Kate > > allowed me to share this private conversation- but if anyone wants to be in touch with just email me at lisa@... Also does anyone have any experience with strokes and NV? Even if it's in the senior population although looking for experience in the pediatric population for a parent knows. > > ~~~~~~~~ > Yes, please share it with the group!! It really is incredible. I honestly did not think we would be one of the lucky ones to see such drastic improvement, especially because Zoe was essentially nonverbal. It's all happened so fast I don't think I've even processed it yet. > > Zoe goes to a school that is especially for children with speech and language difficulties, and I just emailed my friends whose kids go there to tell them about our story. I just wanted them to know this product is out there and that it may help. I actually also gave them your email address just in case they have specific questions, I hope that's okay! (I also gave them the website). One of them, Whitney ___, has a 3 3/4 year old son named _____ who had two strokes either prenatally or just after his birth. Do you have any knowledge of anyone else under these circumstances that has used NV, or have any thoughts I can share with her? > > Thanks again! I will keep you updated as Zoe's progress continues. We just moved up to 3/4 of a scoop so who knows what more can happen!! > > > > ~~~first message from > > Hi ! > > Thanks so much for your help! > > I'm sure you don't remember me since you talk with so many people, but I've been wanting to update you for a while. I started my daughter Zoe on Nutriiveda in late September, using one scoop. At the time she was 3 1/2 years old and profoundly apraxic. She was only able to say vowel sounds and CVs, and had just started putting the final consonant on some of her single syllable words (which I was thrilled with!). She was definitely not putting two words together - in fact she could not even put two syllables together. > > So, fast forward to 4 months later. And....(drumroll).....she is saying 6 word sentences!!!!! > > I have a lot to thank you for - because I was actually going to stop using the NV because Zoe was getting awful diarrhea when she started. But I emailed you and you encouraged me not to quit - you said Zoe was de-toxing, that I should try cutting it down to 1/4 scoop. So I did, and the diarrhea stopped. > > One week later, Zoe opened up a book and counted up to 20, out of the blue (before she was only counting up to 10). She started using words that we had not recently used with her - words she was pulling up from her memory and able to say without help. > > Two weeks later she started putting two words together consistently. Then she shocked me by counting up to 40 (something no one had taught her). > > Less than 2 months after starting the NV, one night she had this little language explosion. In a span of 45 minutes, she started speaking in short phrases. We were having our first conversation! She would say something like " I want play game " and I would say " which one? " and she would say " this one " . > > After 3 months, she started regularly speaking in 6 word sentences. She is still really, really hard to understand and even I struggle a lot to understand her, but her articulation is improving. > > So basically we went from saying " hat " before starting NV to now saying " I want put hat on Mommy " . Or like this morning, she pointed to a light in the bathroom that was out and said, " uh-oh, that light is out. Will you fix it? " Of course it comes out sounding like " uh-oh, yah yite ih out. Wih fix ih? " But she's really trying. > > I can't even believe what has happened. Everyone is amazed. I think even Zoe is amazed. I can't wait to see what our future holds! Thank you, thank you, thank you for encouraging me to stick with it, and for telling others about this product. I really had no idea it would have this kind of effect on Zoe. I'm actually getting to know my little girl!!! That is priceless. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > That's I would say the classic line for NV- it helps us finally get to know our child. So many of us say that!! (if you read the blog here you'll see it ends almost the same way > > " I really recommend the Nutriiveda. I am having a blast getting to " know " my daughter better. There's something in this stuff that's working. I'll post again later. Thanks! " > http://pursuitofresearch.org/2011/01/24/can-you-have-whey-if-gfcf-in-support-of-\ dairy-in-the-autism-community/ > > > Also the way Zoe noticed the light and talked about that reminds me of when Gretchen first updated us about noticing something about the snow breaking a gutter or something? Here's 's video updates for those that never saw them http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/22/apraxia-road-to-recovery-before-and-afte\ r-videos/ > > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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