Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I understand you reluctance to medicate but as a doctor once told my friend if your son had asthma or diabetes would you refuse to give him medicine? My daughter at age 5yr has ADHD and we recently started medicating her with a non stimulant med and it has done wonders for her behavior in prek. Last year we were getting reports almost daily about something she had done, in fact our walks home she would tell me what she had done and when asked why I would hear I don't know. This year with medicine we are only getting good reports and her teacher(same as last year) does not know about the medicating. My husband who most definitely has adhd says that he wishes these medicines were around when he was a kid so he would have been spared all the problems he had in school. I realize the side effects of these meds but in the hands of a good peds neuro the kids with adhd are given the lowest effective dosage and are monitored closely and from what I have seen as a peds rn for 20yrs and a Mom go on to do very well. Try what you want to try and I hope it works but please consider trying meds if it doesn't work or in addition to. I hate to see kids not do well with conditions that are treatable. Good Luck. Debbie Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry [ ] Need help with ADD Thanks so much for the suggestions about the i pad. I think I am going to try to purchase one as soon as I get my tax refund It's a little off topic but I don't know what to do. I know there are a lot of parents here with children who have ADD so maybe you can help. My other son just turned 6 and he is in kindergarten. I just recieved a letter from his school to notify me of " academic failure " . I have been concerned for some time because I can not seem to get him to remember anything. If he doesn't want to do it -forget it! he has nearly all of the signs of having INATTENTIVE ADD. We have been working hard with him to learn his letters but progress is sooo slow to none. He will fail kindergarten if he doesn't know all of his letters, most of their sounds and get better at number recognition. His frustration is so bad that we usually start working then quit because the veins are popping out in his forehead. I don't want to medicate him. Any suggestions or anything to try? I started him on Nordic Naturals 2 of the 369 and 1 epa a day, the same dose as I give my 2.5 yr old with Apraxia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I agree and would have medicated my son Dakota who was diagnosed with both ADHD and CAPD (some disagreed with the CAPD diagnosis) since the age of preschool when he knocked the neurologist's book shelf over in Dr. DeSouza's office (at that age it was " suspected " ADHD) It wasn't until my son came home from school in 3rd grade and said " Mommy there is something wrong with my brain it's going to fast " that I looked into getting help for him -because I wasn't concerned about ADHD, as it runs in my family and personally speaking I believe if you know how to deal with it you can get more done and be brilliant at more than one thing...but I was concerned about Dakota's self esteem. I was told the reasons for medication was when the ADHD affects school work, social or safety. Dakota tested 99th percentile in the third grade -so academically he could be missing from class much of the day dreaming and still ace it. I knew the level wasn't high enough for him. Socially Dakota has the personality of a comedian, an actor, and a creator. His goal is either to design theme parks, 3D animation, and or video games. He used to want to be an architect and design structures previous to the college HS he is in now where they have a relationship with Digital Domain- who works on Disney animation. He's not working with them yet -but he's talented and his grade continue to amaze. We would have used medication at that point...but we ended up figuring out how to keep him off medications with fish oils. And BTW to the first mom for ADHD it's a one to one ratio of ProEFA to ProEPA- not 2 to 1. Also the dosages are a bit higher. I don't recall what age we were at what dosage anymore -but prior to NV Dakota was up to 5 of each a day which again kept him off meds -but he still had his issues of being the absent minded professor. Now with NV Dakota's on 2 of each a day -and most days he has 2 shakes of NV- and HUGE improvements....but we were like Tanner not able to reduce the fish oils right away -that was after about 4 months. Also it wasn't only us that noted all the improvements from the fish oils to now the fish oils and the NV -it was the professionals who worked with him -in fact one neurologist from NJ started to recommend the oils to other patients. In addition I know 4 other teenage ADHD children of my friends who all had the same academic focus surge in grades once on NV -so I no longer consider NV a coincidence -it's somehow helping with academics. I'll just put a few archives below= the first was previous of NV as that's only been available to us for about a year Re: Purdue Expert Touts Crawling To Unlock ADHD My ADHD son hardly crawled either due to torn neck muscles (diagnosed as torticollis after I brought him to the doctor because he wasn't able to hold his head up- even needed support when sitting. What I did naturally and later found out was therapeutic was that while Dakota lay on his back I used to take his arms and legs and sing to him and move them in time to the song making him " dance " I wasn't thinking in terms of stimulating nerves or helping neuro connections -I was just trying to get the poor little bruised up guy to smile (with his drooped lip) and because he had trouble even sitting because he couldn't support his head with his neck as he got old enough that he should be able to. I got used to it after awhile- when he first came home from the hospital he had so much damage to his head and neck and face I used to turn my head to cry -wipe my eyes and I only wanted him to see me smile at him. Strangers were not used to seeing a baby that looked like Dakota- for real STRANGERS used to look at him at cry (especially back when he was a baby each breath he moaned like he was in pain -he probably was) But as he got older the bruises on the outside faded but the nerve and other damage was still very much there- so I didn't want him to know he looked like (as my sister put it) " someone beat the crap out of him " so I would make up songs -but back 16 years ago we still had the amazing Shari ...but one of my favorites to sing to him and move his body was skidamarink a dink a dink (here is Bieber singing it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-tlf79-_C4 ) and when I got to the end I'd pull his ankles up so his bottom came off the floor a bit and end with " Baby Dakota! " and laugh and I typically got him to smile. I had to be careful even working with him in therapy this way because at times when he was on his back he'd stop breathing. He was in therapy overseen by a neurologist from 2 weeks old (after being in intensive care) When he was a bit older my Aunt Leona who had her PhD in nursing told me that it was important to get Dakota to crawl even though he was walking and we did that too. Needless to say Dakota was still diagnosed with ADHD and some thought perhaps CAPD (least of my worries- no biggie to me here!) but as Liralen just said -bright was an understatement -tested in 3rd grade as 99th percentile and as sharp as a whip -but yelled at for joking around, not paying attention, fidgeting, playing with things while the teacher was talking, sharpening his pencil, standing when he should be sitting, needing to go to the bathroom (so he could walk around) etc. Ignorant teachers yelling DAKOTA STOP THAT! over and over and over and over! Thank goodness we were able to help him succeed in the cookie cutter school system in spite of that and he did had some awesome teachers...and then he flourished. Outside of awesome teachers, being classified as gifted learning disabled back when he was younger -there was really no answers that we got to help other than drugs from second and even third and forth opinions. But we never had to go that route. For Dakota it was fish oils (1/1 ratio of ProEFA to ProEPA and we give him between 3/3 and 5/5 today since NV but prior to NV he was at 5/5 for years) and now NV seems to have taken him to a level we only dreamed of prior as far as responsibility for his own work without us having to remind him. So because of all he's gone through I like to say it over and over and brag about the fact that in spite of all against him -including the massive delays and issues and as a baby a prognosis that he was at risk for part of his body to not grow, wheelchair, and even at 2 permanently MR....Dakota is brilliant and he's got a few plans for what he's heading towards in the future, Disney Imagineer, computer animation (like Pixar) etc -and I'm just so proud of him! (he's 16!) It's funny I haven't worked in the toy and film industry for years that even still he's attracted to the same path - my " miracle child " which is what many medical doctors call him if they look at his birth records (other than " I can't believe he was born at an American hospital " or " barbaric " are some other words to describe it...which is why I wrote what I did about teeth yesterday) Early Intervention -multisensory therapies (or brain stimulation as his neurologist Dr. Trevor DeSouza from Madison NJ put it) in addition to traditional appropriate for the condition therapies -whole food nutrients including all the essential nutrients (fatty and amino acids) -those are all some of the top things in my book! ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I have many clients with various communication impairments who's speech/language and other gains I have documented once on NV. One of my clients on multiple seizure medications for years, continued to have seizures, until he was put on NV where the seizures stopped about a week later. While on NV my client remained seizure free as his seizure medications were first reduced, and than eliminated as he remained seizure free for over one year. As an SLP I highly recommend my client's parents look into starting NV. And now as a mom I also have a testimony. I support 's info about the positive effects of NV on ADHD. I have 7 yo b/g twins. My son is not officially dx as ADHD but has classic symptoms. So I put him on NV last yr. He ONLY likes the chocolate NV. NOT realizing that I should spilt the dosage (1 scoop in am & 1 scoop in pm) since NV is water soluble, we had him on 1 shake w/2scoops in the am. Ugh! He was having increased difficulty sitting still @ school & @ home. As a result my mom didn't think the NV was helping him. One day this past fall during a conversation w/, I realized our error. He was having a lot of attentional issues in Oct 2010. encouraged me to split the dosage. We did. Within a week, he was a different kid!! He stopped getting yellow at school & got greens every day! Since then, he has only had 2 yellow days on the NV. Last month, in Jan, we ran out of choc NV!! We gave him vanilla w/choc syrup but he refused most. So he ended up missing about 5-6 days of NV. Guess what? He got yellow again at school! My mom was the first to realize the difference! She said " Please order more choc NV! Jake needs it!! " My mom is now SOLD on the benefits of NV. That is huge! She has been quite the sceptic about it until this happened for this helping Jake's ADHD like behavior. I do not plan on meds for Jake--only NV. Also, a good friend of me, who is an SLP, has an adult son w/ADHD. When he was younger he was on meds for ADHD which made him zoned out. As a young adult he got into drugs. Now clean, he told his mom that he was using drugs to try to achieve that same zoned out feeling as when he was younger. !!! THAT is reason enough for me NOT to put Jake on meds PLUS NV works! I have been meaning to write something up for this page http://pursuitofresearch.com/2010/11/22/is-nutriiveda-creating-a-paradigm-shift-\ in-treatment-of-speech-impairments/ and now I know I will document what I've witnessed as an SLP in regards to my client's before and after NV, and as a mom what I witnessed in my own son. Please email me off list if u have more questions. Warmest wishes, Barbara A , M.S.,CCC-SLP CEO, Help Me Speak, LLC www.helpmespeak.com 2500 Wallington Way Suite 103 Marriottsville, MD 21104 410-442-9791 Ask me about NutriiVeda! On Feb 21, 2011, at 7:12 PM, " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> wrote: > I agree and would have medicated my son Dakota who was diagnosed with both ADHD and CAPD (some disagreed with the CAPD diagnosis) since the age of preschool when he knocked the neurologist's book shelf over in Dr. DeSouza's office (at that age it was " suspected " ADHD) > > It wasn't until my son came home from school in 3rd grade and said " Mommy there is something wrong with my brain it's going to fast " that I looked into getting help for him -because I wasn't concerned about ADHD, as it runs in my family and personally speaking I believe if you know how to deal with it you can get more done and be brilliant at more than one thing...but I was concerned about Dakota's self esteem. I was told the reasons for medication was when the ADHD affects school work, social or safety. Dakota tested 99th percentile in the third grade -so academically he could be missing from class much of the day dreaming and still ace it. I knew the level wasn't high enough for him. Socially Dakota has the personality of a comedian, an actor, and a creator. His goal is either to design theme parks, 3D animation, and or video games. He used to want to be an architect and design structures previous to the college HS he is in now where they have a relationship with Digital Domain- who works on Disney animation. He's not working with them yet -but he's talented and his grade continue to amaze. > > We would have used medication at that point...but we ended up figuring out how to keep him off medications with fish oils. And BTW to the first mom for ADHD it's a one to one ratio of ProEFA to ProEPA- not 2 to 1. Also the dosages are a bit higher. I don't recall what age we were at what dosage anymore -but prior to NV Dakota was up to 5 of each a day which again kept him off meds -but he still had his issues of being the absent minded professor. Now with NV Dakota's on 2 of each a day -and most days he has 2 shakes of NV- and HUGE improvements....but we were like Tanner not able to reduce the fish oils right away -that was after about 4 months. Also it wasn't only us that noted all the improvements from the fish oils to now the fish oils and the NV -it was the professionals who worked with him -in fact one neurologist from NJ started to recommend the oils to other patients. In addition I know 4 other teenage ADHD children of my friends who all had the same academic focus surge in grades once on NV -so I no longer consider NV a coincidence -it's somehow helping with academics. > > I'll just put a few archives below= the first was previous of NV as that's only been available to us for about a year > > Re: Purdue Expert Touts Crawling To Unlock ADHD > > My ADHD son hardly crawled either due to torn neck muscles (diagnosed as > torticollis after I brought him to the doctor because he wasn't able to hold his > head up- even needed support when sitting. > > What I did naturally and later found out was therapeutic was that while Dakota > lay on his back I used to take his arms and legs and sing to him and move them > in time to the song making him " dance " I wasn't thinking in terms of > stimulating nerves or helping neuro connections -I was just trying to get the > poor little bruised up guy to smile (with his drooped lip) and because he had > trouble even sitting because he couldn't support his head with his neck as he > got old enough that he should be able to. I got used to it after awhile- when > he first came home from the hospital he had so much damage to his head and neck > and face I used to turn my head to cry -wipe my eyes and I only wanted him to > see me smile at him. Strangers were not used to seeing a baby that looked like > Dakota- for real STRANGERS used to look at him at cry (especially back when he > was a baby each breath he moaned like he was in pain -he probably was) > > But as he got older the bruises on the outside faded but the nerve and other > damage was still very much there- so I didn't want him to know he looked like > (as my sister put it) " someone beat the crap out of him " so I would make up > songs -but back 16 years ago we still had the amazing Shari > ...but one of my favorites to sing to > him and move his body was skidamarink a dink a dink (here is Bieber > singing it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-tlf79-_C4 ) and when I got to the > end I'd pull his ankles up so his bottom came off the floor a bit and end with > " Baby Dakota! " and laugh and I typically got him to smile. I had to be careful > even working with him in therapy this way because at times when he was on his > back he'd stop breathing. He was in therapy overseen by a neurologist from 2 > weeks old (after being in intensive care) > > When he was a bit older my Aunt Leona who had her PhD in nursing told me that it > was important to get Dakota to crawl even though he was walking and we did that > too. > > Needless to say Dakota was still diagnosed with ADHD and some thought perhaps > CAPD (least of my worries- no biggie to me here!) but as Liralen just said > -bright was an understatement -tested in 3rd grade as 99th percentile and as > sharp as a whip -but yelled at for joking around, not paying attention, > fidgeting, playing with things while the teacher was talking, sharpening his > pencil, standing when he should be sitting, needing to go to the bathroom (so he > could walk around) etc. Ignorant teachers yelling DAKOTA STOP THAT! over and > over and over and over! Thank goodness we were able to help him succeed in the > cookie cutter school system in spite of that and he did had some awesome > teachers...and then he flourished. Outside of awesome teachers, being > classified as gifted learning disabled back when he was younger -there was > really no answers that we got to help other than drugs from second and even > third and forth opinions. > > But we never had to go that route. For Dakota it was fish oils (1/1 ratio of > ProEFA to ProEPA and we give him between 3/3 and 5/5 today since NV but prior to > NV he was at 5/5 for years) and now NV seems to have taken him to a level we > only dreamed of prior as far as responsibility for his own work without us > having to remind him. So because of all he's gone through I like to say it over > and over and brag about the fact that in spite of all against him -including the > massive delays and issues and as a baby a prognosis that he was at risk for part > of his body to not grow, wheelchair, and even at 2 permanently MR....Dakota is > brilliant and he's got a few plans for what he's heading towards in the future, > Disney Imagineer, computer animation (like Pixar) etc -and I'm just so proud of > him! (he's 16!) It's funny I haven't worked in the toy and film industry for > years that even still he's attracted to the same path - my " miracle child " which > is what many medical doctors call him if they look at his birth records (other > than " I can't believe he was born at an American hospital " or " barbaric " are > some other words to describe it...which is why I wrote what I did about teeth > yesterday) > > Early Intervention -multisensory therapies (or brain stimulation as his > neurologist Dr. Trevor DeSouza from Madison NJ put it) in addition to > traditional appropriate for the condition therapies -whole food nutrients > including all the essential nutrients (fatty and amino acids) -those are all > some of the top things in my book! > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 you could have him play www.starfall.com. I also had a friend whose son just couldn't seem to learn to read. She put him in a small private school and they worked on his letters and numbers in the afternoons and weekends. She found he learned best looking at the letter, repeating the sound while jumping on a small trampoline. > > I agree and would have medicated my son Dakota who was diagnosed with both ADHD and CAPD (some disagreed with the CAPD diagnosis) since the age of preschool when he knocked the neurologist's book shelf over in Dr. DeSouza's office (at that age it was " suspected " ADHD) > > It wasn't until my son came home from school in 3rd grade and said " Mommy there is something wrong with my brain it's going to fast " that I looked into getting help for him -because I wasn't concerned about ADHD, as it runs in my family and personally speaking I believe if you know how to deal with it you can get more done and be brilliant at more than one thing...but I was concerned about Dakota's self esteem. I was told the reasons for medication was when the ADHD affects school work, social or safety. Dakota tested 99th percentile in the third grade -so academically he could be missing from class much of the day dreaming and still ace it. I knew the level wasn't high enough for him. Socially Dakota has the personality of a comedian, an actor, and a creator. His goal is either to design theme parks, 3D animation, and or video games. He used to want to be an architect and design structures previous to the college HS he is in now where they have a relationship with Digital Domain- who works on Disney animation. He's not working with them yet -but he's talented and his grade continue to amaze. > > We would have used medication at that point...but we ended up figuring out how to keep him off medications with fish oils. And BTW to the first mom for ADHD it's a one to one ratio of ProEFA to ProEPA- not 2 to 1. Also the dosages are a bit higher. I don't recall what age we were at what dosage anymore -but prior to NV Dakota was up to 5 of each a day which again kept him off meds -but he still had his issues of being the absent minded professor. Now with NV Dakota's on 2 of each a day -and most days he has 2 shakes of NV- and HUGE improvements....but we were like Tanner not able to reduce the fish oils right away -that was after about 4 months. Also it wasn't only us that noted all the improvements from the fish oils to now the fish oils and the NV -it was the professionals who worked with him -in fact one neurologist from NJ started to recommend the oils to other patients. In addition I know 4 other teenage ADHD children of my friends who all had the same academic focus surge in grades once on NV -so I no longer consider NV a coincidence -it's somehow helping with academics. > > I'll just put a few archives below= the first was previous of NV as that's only been available to us for about a year > > Re: Purdue Expert Touts Crawling To Unlock ADHD > > My ADHD son hardly crawled either due to torn neck muscles (diagnosed as > torticollis after I brought him to the doctor because he wasn't able to hold his > head up- even needed support when sitting. > > What I did naturally and later found out was therapeutic was that while Dakota > lay on his back I used to take his arms and legs and sing to him and move them > in time to the song making him " dance " I wasn't thinking in terms of > stimulating nerves or helping neuro connections -I was just trying to get the > poor little bruised up guy to smile (with his drooped lip) and because he had > trouble even sitting because he couldn't support his head with his neck as he > got old enough that he should be able to. I got used to it after awhile- when > he first came home from the hospital he had so much damage to his head and neck > and face I used to turn my head to cry -wipe my eyes and I only wanted him to > see me smile at him. Strangers were not used to seeing a baby that looked like > Dakota- for real STRANGERS used to look at him at cry (especially back when he > was a baby each breath he moaned like he was in pain -he probably was) > > But as he got older the bruises on the outside faded but the nerve and other > damage was still very much there- so I didn't want him to know he looked like > (as my sister put it) " someone beat the crap out of him " so I would make up > songs -but back 16 years ago we still had the amazing Shari > ...but one of my favorites to sing to > him and move his body was skidamarink a dink a dink (here is Bieber > singing it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-tlf79-_C4 ) and when I got to the > end I'd pull his ankles up so his bottom came off the floor a bit and end with > " Baby Dakota! " and laugh and I typically got him to smile. I had to be careful > even working with him in therapy this way because at times when he was on his > back he'd stop breathing. He was in therapy overseen by a neurologist from 2 > weeks old (after being in intensive care) > > When he was a bit older my Aunt Leona who had her PhD in nursing told me that it > was important to get Dakota to crawl even though he was walking and we did that > too. > > Needless to say Dakota was still diagnosed with ADHD and some thought perhaps > CAPD (least of my worries- no biggie to me here!) but as Liralen just said > -bright was an understatement -tested in 3rd grade as 99th percentile and as > sharp as a whip -but yelled at for joking around, not paying attention, > fidgeting, playing with things while the teacher was talking, sharpening his > pencil, standing when he should be sitting, needing to go to the bathroom (so he > could walk around) etc. Ignorant teachers yelling DAKOTA STOP THAT! over and > over and over and over! Thank goodness we were able to help him succeed in the > cookie cutter school system in spite of that and he did had some awesome > teachers...and then he flourished. Outside of awesome teachers, being > classified as gifted learning disabled back when he was younger -there was > really no answers that we got to help other than drugs from second and even > third and forth opinions. > > But we never had to go that route. For Dakota it was fish oils (1/1 ratio of > ProEFA to ProEPA and we give him between 3/3 and 5/5 today since NV but prior to > NV he was at 5/5 for years) and now NV seems to have taken him to a level we > only dreamed of prior as far as responsibility for his own work without us > having to remind him. So because of all he's gone through I like to say it over > and over and brag about the fact that in spite of all against him -including the > massive delays and issues and as a baby a prognosis that he was at risk for part > of his body to not grow, wheelchair, and even at 2 permanently MR....Dakota is > brilliant and he's got a few plans for what he's heading towards in the future, > Disney Imagineer, computer animation (like Pixar) etc -and I'm just so proud of > him! (he's 16!) It's funny I haven't worked in the toy and film industry for > years that even still he's attracted to the same path - my " miracle child " which > is what many medical doctors call him if they look at his birth records (other > than " I can't believe he was born at an American hospital " or " barbaric " are > some other words to describe it...which is why I wrote what I did about teeth > yesterday) > > Early Intervention -multisensory therapies (or brain stimulation as his > neurologist Dr. Trevor DeSouza from Madison NJ put it) in addition to > traditional appropriate for the condition therapies -whole food nutrients > including all the essential nutrients (fatty and amino acids) -those are all > some of the top things in my book! > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Try something else first - epsom salt baths at night. See if it makes a difference. I would also supplement with a little extra zinc too. > > Thanks so much for the suggestions about the i pad. I think I am going to try to purchase one as soon as I get my tax refund > > It's a little off topic but I don't know what to do. I know there are a lot of parents here with children who have ADD so maybe you can help. > My other son just turned 6 and he is in kindergarten. I just recieved a letter from his school to notify me of " academic failure " . I have been concerned for some time because I can not seem to get him to remember anything. If he doesn't want to do it -forget it! he has nearly all of the signs of having INATTENTIVE ADD. We have been working hard with him to learn his letters but progress is sooo slow to none. He will fail kindergarten if he doesn't know all of his letters, most of their sounds and get better at number recognition. His frustration is so bad that we usually start working then quit because the veins are popping out in his forehead. I don't want to medicate him. Any suggestions or anything to try? I started him on Nordic Naturals 2 of the 369 and 1 epa a day, the same dose as I give my 2.5 yr old with Apraxia. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Funny you should say that because my son who can't count in school past 29 counted to 89 for me the other night in a quiet room while shaking his head back and forth really fast the whole time. He is not hyperactive though. He seems to be the inattentive type and prefers working quietly on things that he enjoys such as drawing. He forgets EVERYTHING, misplaces things, has no concept of time or " hurry up " , doesn't seem to hear his teacher when she tells him to stop what he's doing and listen to her and has big frustration issues. He is very smart but tells me that " the letters don't want to be in my brain, cool stuff wants to be in my brain. " Cool stuff like military history, which metals work best to make different things, he loves science experiments and does a great job of rigging up his own levers and pulleys. Yesterday he sat while I read him a 60 page book for older kids on the use of PT boats during world war II. A few weeks ago he had to write the numbers 1 through 30 for homework because he did not finish in school (only got to 4) it took him 3 evenings to finish! When he was done a lot of the numbers no longer looked like numbers because he had " made them cooler " . The corners on the 4 had spider webs in them, the 1's looked like tower cranes with chains and hooks picking up the other numbers. Some of the 1's were rocket ships taking off, he insists on drawing in a leg for his 7 so that it doesn't fall over and other things. He writes them oddly, starting at the bottom on the line and going up but that may be because he is in kindergarten, not sure. I really don't know what to do with him most of the time. He is soooo creative and has a wonderful sense of self and is his own person so much that when people make fun of him for how he dresses (he dresses VERY creatively) he says " you should worry about yourself instead of me " While he may just grow up to be a great artist or inventor he needs to learn to read and he just doesn't seem to understand that. If he had a late birthday I might not be as concerned and think that maybe he just isn't ready but his birthday is in January and having him repeat kindergarten would make him 7 yrs old in kindergarten and he is already the biggest kid in his class. I really just don't know what to do with this kid! maybe I do need to medicate him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Try NutriiVeda. See my last message. Warmest wishes, Barbara A , M.S.,CCC-SLP CEO, Help Me Speak, LLC www.helpmespeak.com 2500 Wallington Way Suite 103 Marriottsville, MD 21104 410-442-9791 Ask me about NutriiVeda! On Feb 22, 2011, at 6:49 AM, janel sparks <janel138@...> wrote: > Funny you should say that because my son who can't count in school past 29 counted to 89 for me the other night in a quiet room while shaking his head back and forth really fast the whole time. He is not hyperactive though. He seems to be the inattentive type and prefers working quietly on things that he enjoys such as drawing. He forgets EVERYTHING, misplaces things, has no concept of time or " hurry up " , doesn't seem to hear > his teacher when she tells him to stop what he's doing and listen to her and has big frustration issues. He is very smart but tells me that " the letters don't want to be in my brain, cool stuff wants to be in my brain. " Cool stuff like military history, which metals work best to make different things, he loves science experiments and does a great job of rigging up his own levers and pulleys. Yesterday he sat while I read him a 60 page book for older kids on the use of PT boats during world war II. > A few weeks ago he had to write the numbers 1 through 30 for homework because he did not finish in school (only got to 4) it took > him 3 evenings to finish! When he was done a lot of the numbers no longer looked like numbers because he had " made them cooler " . The corners on the 4 had spider webs in them, the 1's looked like tower cranes with chains and hooks picking up the other numbers. Some of the 1's were rocket ships taking off, he insists on drawing in a leg for his 7 so that it doesn't fall over and other things. He writes them oddly, starting at the bottom on the line and going up but that may be because he is in kindergarten, not sure. I really don't know what to do with him most of the time. He is soooo creative and has a wonderful sense of self and is his own person so much that when people make fun of him for how he dresses (he dresses VERY creatively) he says " you should worry about yourself instead of me " > While he may just grow up to be a great artist or inventor he needs to learn to read and he just doesn't seem to > understand that. If he > had a late birthday I might not be as concerned and think that maybe he just isn't ready but his birthday is in January and having him repeat kindergarten would make him 7 yrs old in kindergarten and he is already the biggest kid in his class. I really just don't know what to do with this kid! maybe I do need to medicate him? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Epsom salt baths are great and have that info below...having an ADHD son however that I used these baths with not from what I've seen for staying with the shopping cart when you are at the mall or store when he was little, or for sitting still in class and not having to stand up and walk around for academics, and not for getting into everything due to lack of focus however- all of that came from essential nutrients and from the traditional sense some strategies -but for ADHD -yes the essential nutrients no question! I no longer am so much into supplements however. And zinc included. Ever since reading about zinc poisoning in the denture creams http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/news/20110215/zinc-poisoning-linked-to-popular-\ denture-creams -and probably especially after what this group went through with the mega levels of vitamin E in Pharma Omega speak where seizures and profound regressions as well as severe head and stomach cramping were reported -I'm very leery of supplementing blindly. I now highly recommend parents search for essential nutrients via food sources which is proven now for over one thousand families in over a year to have just about across the board results. There are so many dramatic mind blowing testimonies for so many different conditions and ages that I honestly don't even know where to put them all anymore and am going to start a testimony of the week part of the site here http://www.pursuitofresearch.org Here is info anyone can share with their child's doctor http://pursuitofresearch.org/find-a-professional/ Here's an archive on Epsom salt baths however which is one of the things I do recommend for detox and relaxation outside of essential nutrients and for ADHD or ADD -strategies. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start of archive: Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:28 pm " merrywbee " merrywbee@...> Epsom Salt Baths Epsom Salt Baths Information compiled by Wetherby, with editing and research information provided courtesy of Owens. This information may be shared with families and professionals, but please do not use it in a part of a larger document/paper without obtaining written permission. What are Epsom Salts? Epsom Salts are the same thing as Magnesium Sulfate, which is a salt made of only magnesium and sulphate (and maybe a little bit of water). Magnesium is a positively charged ion, and it binds to sulfate, which is a negatively charged ion. Sulfate is a sulphur atom surrounded by four oxygen atoms. You can buy them at your local drugstore or pharmacy or even in the grocery store. They are usually located in larger bags near the bandages or the foot care section (in a pinch, smaller containers can be found in the laxative aisle, but it is cheaper to buy them in the larger bags/cartons). What is the anticipated effect from an Epsom Salt bath? Epsom Salts have long been used to stimulate detoxification, reduce inflammation to sore muscles, promote healthy circulation, and help with relaxation and normalizing sleep patterns. Most children respond to an ES bath by appearing happier, more relaxed. Some parents report that their children are more responsive, more " with it " . Some parents who give the bath in the evenings report that their children are able to get to sleep easier, and have a more normal sleep pattern. Given over time, the ES baths may help reduce sensory integration symptoms. Some of this effect may occur due to benefits of detoxification, but it is much more likely to come from direct effects on the nervous system. Why do they work? And Why is sulfation important? One benefit of the ES baths is linked to an enzyme system known as phenolsulfotransferase or PST. Dr. Rosemary Waring researched this and found that in 92% of the autistic children tested, PST was functioning at below optimal levels. This enzyme, like all other sulfotransferases, has to use a modified form of sulfate: not the form it takes in the bathtub. This change occurs inside your cells by adding the molecules adenosine and phosphate to sulfate before any sulfotransferase enzyme can use it. The molecular additions are said to turn sulfate into its " activated form " . If you think about it, none of this can be happening in the bathtub: it is happening in your body after sulfate is absorbed through the skin and after a complicated interplay of enzymes. It is not going to happen spontaneously, no matter how much sulfate you have around. When PST has enough activated sulfate to use, it will then attach the sulfate part of that molecule to molecules called phenols. In most cases, adding sulfate sets up those molecules for excretion in the urine, but it can actually activate other molecules. When there is a deficiency of sulfate inside your cells, phenols may build up. In the brain and nervous system this may interfere with neurotransmitter function since many neurotransmitters are phenolic, too. For instance, there is actually a form of PST called catecholamine sulfotransferase or M-PST which acts on neurotransmitters. Other sulfotransferases act on hormones and proteins and carbohydrates of certain sorts. Again, epsom salts are believed to help PST by providing the much- needed sulfate to the child's body, by being absorbed transdermally (through the skin) during the bath. The body is full of other sulfotransferases that need sulfate to be much more concentrated than what PST likes. These other sulfotransferases, among other jobs, help form the extracellular nets around certain neurons, and regulate things like axon guidance and neurons sending out processes to make connections. The gastrointestinal system especially needs a lot of sulfate. A diferrent sulfotransferase enzyme called TPST uses sulfate to activate two major gut enzymes. In animal studies the GI system takes as much sulfate out of the blood as the liver puts into the blood, so epsom salts are likely to mostly nourish the gut and spare the liver the job of making sulfate from scratch from the amino acid cysteine. But how does this produce neurological improvements? Detoxification is only a little part of sulfate's job. Most of the body's sulfate is used to form huge molecules that govern chemical traffic at the cell surface. Many of these sulfated molecules find their more enduring home in the area immediately around the cell called the extracellular matrix. [Extracellular = outside the cell] These sulfated molecules function in all cell types. However, in the brain, this type of molecule has a very special role, providing modulation, or something like a volume control. It does this by forming a geometric net outside particular types of neurons. The sulfate in these molecules is no longer in an ionic form, like you see in epsom salts in the bathtub, but is part of highly organized structures that will attract, bind and regulate many of the ions that are involved in cell signalling before those ions even get to the surface of neurons or to ion channels. You haven't heard about this from your neurologist because research on the function of this type of molecule has been done mainly in the last decade, and in the last year or two, especially. Even so, there are pictures of these nets around neurons that were drawn by scientists more than a hundred years ago before they knew what they were made of. Nobody thought they did anything! What seems particularly relevant is that the nets are abundant and function in the auditory system, the somatosensory system, the vestibular system, the cerebellum, and in almost half of the cranial nerves. They even seem important for developing trunk strength. You may recognize these systems as the parts of the nervous system that are targeted by sensory integration therapy. Interestingly, the nets won't form properly in the brain without two things happening at the same time: adequate biochemical resources, and continued rapid firing of the relevant nerves. This argues favorably for coupling biochemical therapies that support this chemistry with the physical and educational approaches that are also known to offer benefits to these systems. If you want to know more about the biochemical side of this, you can read a paper written by Owens who has studied the sulfated molecules (called GAGs) for seven years. Her paper reviewing this area is part of a book that is sold by the Autism Research Unit in Sunderland: The Proceedings of their 2001 conference in Durham, England. See http://osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/autism/. What are the potential long-term benefits of continued use? After using epsom salts on a regular basis, children may have improvements with language, behavior, mood, and physical skills. What if my child gets agitated? Very few children may seem more agitated after the initial bath, or several baths later. It is not known why this happens, but it is easy to deal with. Just cut back on the baths for a few days and then begin again, but with a much smaller amount of ES-perhaps a teaspoon, and work up the amount very slowly. Also, you may see if the child reacts to magnesium by trying it in a different form orally. Kirkman Laboratories " Guide To Intestinal Health " booklet discusses how impaired sulfation process can lead to a decreased production of peptides, and bile acids, which are important to digestive function, and lead to problems with maldigestion and malabsorption. Sulfation is also important to the intestinal lining. Over time, decreased sulfation can allow small portions of the gut wall to be exposed, creating the " Leaky Gut " which is suspect in allergies, asthma, and other neurobehavioral disorders. Sulfate's relative absense from the esophagus may be what makes reflux hurt so much. Okay, I think we'll try the baths—what do I need and how much Epsom Salt, and for how long? The amount and frequency can vary from child to child. Some parents prefer to use as much as 2 cups of ES in a bathtub of water, allowing the child to be in the tub for around 20 minutes, on a daily basis. Some parents prefer to do the baths every few days, some prefer every week. As mentioned before, if your child is one of the rare few who seem to get agitated by the bath, then simply cut back on the amount of salt used (my son was one of these kids and we dropped back to a teaspoon and worked up gradually to about ¼ to ½ a cup). What are other ways to employ Epsom Salts for sulfation benefits? Some parents prefer to mix the ES with water and keep it in a spray bottle and spray their kids during the day. As it dries, it leaves a white residue that you can leave on for more of a " timed-release " effect if it is tolerated. Others have found ways to make ES oil or lotion. Please join the Enzymes and Autism Group for recipes on how to make it into an oil or lotion. Instead of a bath, some parents give their child a foot soak while they are eating or doing something else. Kirkman Laboratories at www.kirkmanlabs.com sells an Epsom Salt cream that can be applied 1 to 3 times a day. It does not leave a residue. I have been told that there are other ES creams out there, but I haven't seen them in any stores yet. If someone knows of another source, please add it to this file. Q: I gave my child an epsom salt bath, and s/he seemed more hyper and/or emotional afterwards. Is this related to the bath? Why would my child react this way instead of having the " expected " results? I think the trick here, which is important to know about, is that you need to start slowly when introducing a supplement of something for which you have been deficient a long time, and then slowly work up to more. This is because, unlike drugs, where the quantity of a dose is set by the doctor trying to obtain a blood level of something FOREIGN to the body, introducing a supplement of something the body uses every day works in a whole different way, and this can be generalized to lots of things. I'll explain why. Most chemical reactions happen inside cells after substances have crossed over the cell's outer membrane. For things cells use everyday, they have specific transporters and receptors that are expressed on the cell surface in the quantity that is appropriate to assure an appropriate supply to that cell type. Not all cells like the same quantity. When everything works right, the inside of the cell gets the appropriate quantity of what it needs of that substance. The cell wants not too much and not too little and it knows how to adjust the availability of that substance to the inside of the cell when the supply outside the cell changes. If the supply of something the body uses up every day has been low for awhile, the cell will upregulate the transporter or receptor that is specific for that substance. Upregulation means it will put more of these working molecules on the cell surface in order to increase the odds that the substance will find its receptor or transporter. When the supply has been high for a long time, the cell will also cut back the quantity of the receptor or transporter on the cell surface. Cells are very fluid like that: changing and adjusting constantly: not like a machine at all! Your car doesn't increase the gas caps when its fuel supply is low, but it doesn't have to gets its gas from the passing parade by chance and kinetics... So, if you have been deficient in sulfate for a long time, your cells would have upregulated the transporters to make much of little. All over the body, receptors that need sulfated ligands might have been upregulated as well, trying to increase their signal or supply. If you suddenly increase the quantity of sulfate that approaches the cell by several fold, you can get too intense a signal, and that can be overwhelming. That is why you should start slowly. This gives your body's cells a chance to readjust to the new level they will be seeing. We're not trying to overdo that level, but just to return it to something normal. Remember that cells are accustomed to biological rhythms that change the quantities of nutrients that cells see. This includes feeding schedules and sleep. Cells don't make these adjustments on whim or very quickly, for they know there will be long periods of time when the supply gets lower just because it has been a long time since you ate something. I would guess, for that reason, that cells tend to adjust to conditions that may continue for at least a day or two. The way this biology works gives me the suspicion that the children who get the most hyper after their first epsom salts bath or baths may be the children who have been the most deficient of this substance, and have receptors and transporters dialed WAY up. If you are deficient in supply, even when you have receptors or transporters expressed at extremely high quantity, you still might be low in quantity for the function you need. The increase of receptors or transporters will help, but it isn't much of a solution long term. If you get exposed to something that requires a lot of sulfate for your body to detoxify (like phenols in fumes or foods or drugs), the level of sulfate available for NORMAL functions will be hurting temporarily as your body tries to recover from this demand. The loss of the function of other molecules that use sulfate for normal function is likely what is producing symptoms: not your body feeling toxic as if it had just been " burned " by the substance your body was trying to detoxify. That sort of injury might take longer and it would probably be more subtle, anyway. If you are having neurological reactions, you are probably seeing an adjustment in the neurological chemistry which is feeling shorted and may be overwhelmed with sudden change. Of course, you really need an appropriate supply of sulfate, but the story of HOW the supply got low in the first place can be very different from child to child, and involve organs like the kidneys, the liver and the GI tract and systems like the immune system. Anyway, as an example of this sort of mechanism with an entirely different substance, I'll tell you a little about the secretin story. This sort of receptor-quantity issue was suspected to be happening in the children with autism who were given IV secretin. In response to the same dose that had a predictable response in normal people, those with autism instead put out huge quantities of pancreatic fluid. Their response was intense on the very same dose that other patients were getting without experiencing this overexuberant response. Why? The sudden increase in secretin was more of a surprise for the bodies of autistic children than it was for the other children with GI problems being tested. The pancreas was OVER responsive to secretin probably because this was the first good supply of secretin that it had gotten in a long time. Scientists suspected that the amount of secretin these children had been producing on their own had been low for a long time. I hope all this makes sense. Your body makes secretin, but it also makes sulfate from the amino acids cysteine and methionine. There may be a reason this isn't happening appropriately. I've heard of parents starting with as little as a teaspoon in the bathwater and working up. You can also apply the solution topically, and can control the quantity by how much surface of the skin you cover. The half-life of sulfate in the blood is 4-9 hours. At any rate, please do not interpret this [emotional/hyper reaction] to mean the epsom salts were the wrong thing...it may mean exactly the opposite! Normal people do not have any response to epsom salts baths except maybe to feel relaxed later! They don't get hyper or emotional… If you have already tried reducing the quantity of epsom salts drastically and slowly increasing the quantity, and it doesn't work to reduce this hyper or emotional response, I'd be glad to talk to you offlist about what else it might mean. Anyway, I hope this helps. You've just got to think like a cell thinks! Owens > > I can't for the life of me think of why an Epson salts bath would > be good > > for our kids. The baking soda makes sense but I must have missed > the whole > > Epson salts thing...someone PLEASE clue me in on this fascinating > > information! > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end of archive http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=9349 ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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