Re: IQ and Speech Tests for Apraxic Children

[Guest guest]

I doubt you'll need to demand anything from your school district. They're

perfectly willing to do the testing. The tests you mentioned are pretty standard

for kids. As far as IQ testing, it would be done by the school psychologist.

Most doctors wont test for IQ till about 6yo. My daughters (9yo) genetics doctor

wanted further IQ testing done past what the school had done. We found that Ped

Neuro's dont do IQ testing(not the ones I spoke to, which doesnt mean that all

wont!!) Dev Ped all said they wont do it either. Again, it doesnt mean that

someone somewhere hasnt found one that will--but those are the answers I got. We

found that Neuropsychologists are the ones that do the most extensive IQ

testing, but they wont see kids younger than 6yo. The ones I spoke to, in NYC,

wont take insurance and want to be paid up front. than it was up to me to get

reimbursed by the insurance. The genetics doctor said it was ok to not go that

route. So we let the school do the testing.

Just wondering why? has someone questioned your childs receptive abilities? I'd

say wait at least a year and let the school do the initial testing. IF theres

still questions, work on the specialists. THe Pediatric Neuropsychologist said

the testing is at least 5 hours, which is why it cant accuratetly be measured

till they're of school age (K-12).

I'd also suggest a lot of reading to your child! Lots of books on different

people doing different things. Point out things people are doing. Discovery

Books are great for that. The school psychologist will have a flip book and ask

" What is drinking? " . He has to point to someone actively drinking from a cup,

not a person holding a cup or a picture of a cup. Those are the scenarios they

use to test kids. Its a flip-book program of things and people in certain

actions and activities. So the older they are, the better and more accurate the

results will be. Give it at least a year and read a lot of kids books to him!

Maureen

>

> I am wondering WHAT tests are good to have as a baseline standard, and have

your children gotten ALL or many of these, which ones?

>

> My son is 3.5yrs old with severe verbal apraxia, (he has been dx many times,

so I am not looking for testing to necessarily tell me he has this). He has

never gotten any standarized testing done, even though we have many, many evals

done in the past 2 years. The ONLY one he has gotten is a " Preschool Language

Scale:4th ed " by a SLP who said she worked with and knew apraxia well..hmmm.

>

> These are some of the tests I have found in my research, are they used often?

>

> Are some better than others?

> who gives these tests?

> Do I demand my school district to use some of these?

>

> Do I have these done privately before he starts with his IEP to judge for

ourselves a baseline?

>

> FOR SPEECH:

>

> Verbal Motor Production Assessment for Children (VMPAC)

> the Apraxia Profile

> Kaufman Speech Praxis test

> the Screening Test for Developmental Apraxia of Speech (STDAS-2)

>

>

> FOR IQ TESTING:

>

> Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children (Kaufman-ABC)

> Leiter International Performance Scale (Leiter-2)

> Test of Non-Verbal Intelligence 2 (TONI-2) for ages 5 and up

>

> thank you all so much for your help with my questions!!

> Ivy

>

[Guest guest]

For kids with apraxia, I use:

VMPAC & /or KSPT (Kaufman Speech Praxis Test) & Goldman Fristoe Test of

Articulation 2 (GFTA2) & my own oral motor/eating analysis

I select each test based on the child's needs, strengths, age, and

anticipated level of cooperation with tests. The VMPAC is great but is a

long test and it's challenging for young kids. If a child is not yet

producing many sounds, I may only use the GFTA2 & analyze the error

patterns. If a child is only producing a few sounds, I may only use my

o-m/eating analysis. When a child has multiple word approximations but is

not yet clear, I use the VMPAC, GFTA2, and my own analysis.

Warmest wishes,

Barbara

Barbara A. , M.S., CCC-SLP

CEO/ Help Me Speak, LLC

<http://www.helpmespeak.com/> http://www.helpmespeak.com

(o) 410-442-9791 (f) 410-442-9783

2500 Wallington Way; Suite 103

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of igreene_88

Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:39 PM

Subject: [ ] IQ and Speech Tests for Apraxic Children

I am wondering WHAT tests are good to have as a baseline standard, and have

your children gotten ALL or many of these, which ones?

My son is 3.5yrs old with severe verbal apraxia, (he has been dx many times,

so I am not looking for testing to necessarily tell me he has this). He has

never gotten any standarized testing done, even though we have many, many

evals done in the past 2 years. The ONLY one he has gotten is a " Preschool

Language Scale:4th ed " by a SLP who said she worked with and knew apraxia

well..hmmm.

These are some of the tests I have found in my research, are they used

often?

Are some better than others?

who gives these tests?

Do I demand my school district to use some of these?

Do I have these done privately before he starts with his IEP to judge for

ourselves a baseline?

FOR SPEECH:

Verbal Motor Production Assessment for Children (VMPAC)

the Apraxia Profile

Kaufman Speech Praxis test

the Screening Test for Developmental Apraxia of Speech (STDAS-2)

FOR IQ TESTING:

Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children (Kaufman-ABC)

Leiter International Performance Scale (Leiter-2)

Test of Non-Verbal Intelligence 2 (TONI-2) for ages 5 and up

thank you all so much for your help with my questions!!

Ivy

[Guest guest]

Thanks Barbara but I mean IQ testing of cognitive ability not speech. I

appreciate your post.

See ya later this week

Alyssa

On Feb 20, 2011, at 5:34 PM, " Barbara " <helpmespeak@...> wrote:

> For kids with apraxia, I use:

>

> VMPAC & /or KSPT (Kaufman Speech Praxis Test) & Goldman Fristoe Test of

> Articulation 2 (GFTA2) & my own oral motor/eating analysis

>

> I select each test based on the child's needs, strengths, age, and

> anticipated level of cooperation with tests. The VMPAC is great but is a

> long test and it's challenging for young kids. If a child is not yet

> producing many sounds, I may only use the GFTA2 & analyze the error

> patterns. If a child is only producing a few sounds, I may only use my

> o-m/eating analysis. When a child has multiple word approximations but is

> not yet clear, I use the VMPAC, GFTA2, and my own analysis.

>

> Warmest wishes,

>

> Barbara

>

> Barbara A. , M.S., CCC-SLP

>

> CEO/ Help Me Speak, LLC

>

> <http://www.helpmespeak.com/> http://www.helpmespeak.com

>

> (o) 410-442-9791 (f) 410-442-9783

>

> 2500 Wallington Way; Suite 103

>

> Marriottsville, MD 21104

>

> follow us on FaceBook:

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> 2032

>

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> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of igreene_88

> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:39 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] IQ and Speech Tests for Apraxic Children

>

> I am wondering WHAT tests are good to have as a baseline standard, and have

> your children gotten ALL or many of these, which ones?

>

> My son is 3.5yrs old with severe verbal apraxia, (he has been dx many times,

> so I am not looking for testing to necessarily tell me he has this). He has

> never gotten any standarized testing done, even though we have many, many

> evals done in the past 2 years. The ONLY one he has gotten is a " Preschool

> Language Scale:4th ed " by a SLP who said she worked with and knew apraxia

> well..hmmm.

>

> These are some of the tests I have found in my research, are they used

> often?

>

> Are some better than others?

> who gives these tests?

> Do I demand my school district to use some of these?

>

> Do I have these done privately before he starts with his IEP to judge for

> ourselves a baseline?

>

> FOR SPEECH:

>

> Verbal Motor Production Assessment for Children (VMPAC)

> the Apraxia Profile

> Kaufman Speech Praxis test

> the Screening Test for Developmental Apraxia of Speech (STDAS-2)

>

> FOR IQ TESTING:

>

> Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children (Kaufman-ABC)

> Leiter International Performance Scale (Leiter-2)

> Test of Non-Verbal Intelligence 2 (TONI-2) for ages 5 and up

>

> thank you all so much for your help with my questions!!

> Ivy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oops sorry Barbara this post looks like another one, close subject line. Never

mind:-(

On Feb 20, 2011, at 5:34 PM, " Barbara " <helpmespeak@...> wrote:

> For kids with apraxia, I use:

>

> VMPAC & /or KSPT (Kaufman Speech Praxis Test) & Goldman Fristoe Test of

> Articulation 2 (GFTA2) & my own oral motor/eating analysis

>

> I select each test based on the child's needs, strengths, age, and

> anticipated level of cooperation with tests. The VMPAC is great but is a

> long test and it's challenging for young kids. If a child is not yet

> producing many sounds, I may only use the GFTA2 & analyze the error

> patterns. If a child is only producing a few sounds, I may only use my

> o-m/eating analysis. When a child has multiple word approximations but is

> not yet clear, I use the VMPAC, GFTA2, and my own analysis.

>

> Warmest wishes,

>

> Barbara

>

> Barbara A. , M.S., CCC-SLP

>

> CEO/ Help Me Speak, LLC

>

> <http://www.helpmespeak.com/> http://www.helpmespeak.com

>

> (o) 410-442-9791 (f) 410-442-9783

>

> 2500 Wallington Way; Suite 103

>

> Marriottsville, MD 21104

>

> follow us on FaceBook:

> http://www.facebook.com/ffcentralmaryland#!/pages/Help-Me-Speak-LLC/10462885

> 2032

>

> Call me with any questions about NutriiVeda!

>

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> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of igreene_88

> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:39 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] IQ and Speech Tests for Apraxic Children

>

> I am wondering WHAT tests are good to have as a baseline standard, and have

> your children gotten ALL or many of these, which ones?

>

> My son is 3.5yrs old with severe verbal apraxia, (he has been dx many times,

> so I am not looking for testing to necessarily tell me he has this). He has

> never gotten any standarized testing done, even though we have many, many

> evals done in the past 2 years. The ONLY one he has gotten is a " Preschool

> Language Scale:4th ed " by a SLP who said she worked with and knew apraxia

> well..hmmm.

>

> These are some of the tests I have found in my research, are they used

> often?

>

> Are some better than others?

> who gives these tests?

> Do I demand my school district to use some of these?

>

> Do I have these done privately before he starts with his IEP to judge for

> ourselves a baseline?

>

> FOR SPEECH:

>

> Verbal Motor Production Assessment for Children (VMPAC)

> the Apraxia Profile

> Kaufman Speech Praxis test

> the Screening Test for Developmental Apraxia of Speech (STDAS-2)

>

> FOR IQ TESTING:

>

> Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children (Kaufman-ABC)

> Leiter International Performance Scale (Leiter-2)

> Test of Non-Verbal Intelligence 2 (TONI-2) for ages 5 and up

>

> thank you all so much for your help with my questions!!

> Ivy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, was responding to Ivy. J

Warmest wishes,

Barbara

Barbara A. , M.S., CCC-SLP

CEO/ Help Me Speak, LLC

<http://www.helpmespeak.com/> http://www.helpmespeak.com

(o) 410-442-9791 (f) 410-442-9783

2500 Wallington Way; Suite 103

Marriottsville, MD 21104

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Alyssa

Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 6:17 PM

Cc: < >

Subject: Re: [ ] IQ and Speech Tests for Apraxic Children

Oops sorry Barbara this post looks like another one, close subject line.

Never mind:-(

On Feb 20, 2011, at 5:34 PM, " Barbara " <helpmespeak@...

<mailto:helpmespeak%40verizon.net> > wrote:

> For kids with apraxia, I use:

>

> VMPAC & /or KSPT (Kaufman Speech Praxis Test) & Goldman Fristoe Test of

> Articulation 2 (GFTA2) & my own oral motor/eating analysis

>

> I select each test based on the child's needs, strengths, age, and

> anticipated level of cooperation with tests. The VMPAC is great but is a

> long test and it's challenging for young kids. If a child is not yet

> producing many sounds, I may only use the GFTA2 & analyze the error

> patterns. If a child is only producing a few sounds, I may only use my

> o-m/eating analysis. When a child has multiple word approximations but is

> not yet clear, I use the VMPAC, GFTA2, and my own analysis.

>

> Warmest wishes,

>

> Barbara

>

> Barbara A. , M.S., CCC-SLP

>

> CEO/ Help Me Speak, LLC

>

> <http://www.helpmespeak.com/> http://www.helpmespeak.com

>

> (o) 410-442-9791 (f) 410-442-9783

>

> 2500 Wallington Way; Suite 103

>

> Marriottsville, MD 21104

>

>

>

> From:

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> [mailto:

<mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of igreene_88

> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:39 PM

>

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> Subject: [ ] IQ and Speech Tests for Apraxic Children

>

> I am wondering WHAT tests are good to have as a baseline standard, and

have

> your children gotten ALL or many of these, which ones?

>

> My son is 3.5yrs old with severe verbal apraxia, (he has been dx many

times,

> so I am not looking for testing to necessarily tell me he has this). He

has

> never gotten any standarized testing done, even though we have many, many

> evals done in the past 2 years. The ONLY one he has gotten is a " Preschool

> Language Scale:4th ed " by a SLP who said she worked with and knew apraxia

> well..hmmm.

>

> These are some of the tests I have found in my research, are they used

> often?

>

> Are some better than others?

> who gives these tests?

> Do I demand my school district to use some of these?

>

> Do I have these done privately before he starts with his IEP to judge for

> ourselves a baseline?

>

> FOR SPEECH:

>

> Verbal Motor Production Assessment for Children (VMPAC)

> the Apraxia Profile

> Kaufman Speech Praxis test

> the Screening Test for Developmental Apraxia of Speech (STDAS-2)

>

> FOR IQ TESTING:

>

> Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children (Kaufman-ABC)

> Leiter International Performance Scale (Leiter-2)

> Test of Non-Verbal Intelligence 2 (TONI-2) for ages 5 and up

>

> thank you all so much for your help with my questions!!

> Ivy

>

[Guest guest]

Maureen- so bsically I shouldn't PUSH for many huge testing for my 3.5yr old,

right? My son's receptive lang is good. Cognition fine.Yes, yes we read all the

time.

On testing he may not motor plan correctly to point or not want to

" work/perform " ..yet he did okay on on very very brief (are the Preschool Scales

always brief?) he was 2.75 yr old then. We got Auditory Comp/Expressive

Comm/Total Lang Score- that was is. Is there more to this test?

Funny that you say you doubt I wont need to " demand " anything from my district,

made me laugh...while many districts are doing what needs to be done, some

parents have to research and be two steps ahead of their district..kwim?

My district may only do the Batelle. The SLP may have his own assessment. I will

get details when I call them next week. I have a Preschool Scale that was done

last summer, so they consider that satisfactory and may not do another of their

own.

I also handed them plenty of private evals from private SLPs.

SO NOW my question that remains IS: do I have to really worry about how much

testing is done right now, for summer/fall FIRST IEP entry for 3/4yr old class?

thanks so much for the help!!!

> >

> > I am wondering WHAT tests are good to have as a baseline standard, and have

your children gotten ALL or many of these, which ones?

> >

> > My son is 3.5yrs old with severe verbal apraxia, (he has been dx many times,

so I am not looking for testing to necessarily tell me he has this). He has

never gotten any standarized testing done, even though we have many, many evals

done in the past 2 years. The ONLY one he has gotten is a " Preschool Language

Scale:4th ed " by a SLP who said she worked with and knew apraxia well..hmmm.

> >

> > These are some of the tests I have found in my research, are they used

often?

> >

> > Are some better than others?

> > who gives these tests?

> > Do I demand my school district to use some of these?

> >

> > Do I have these done privately before he starts with his IEP to judge for

ourselves a baseline?

> >

> > FOR SPEECH:

> >

> > Verbal Motor Production Assessment for Children (VMPAC)

> > the Apraxia Profile

> > Kaufman Speech Praxis test

> > the Screening Test for Developmental Apraxia of Speech (STDAS-2)

> >

> >

> > FOR IQ TESTING:

> >

> > Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children (Kaufman-ABC)

> > Leiter International Performance Scale (Leiter-2)

> > Test of Non-Verbal Intelligence 2 (TONI-2) for ages 5 and up

> >

> > thank you all so much for your help with my questions!!

> > Ivy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Barbara- thank you for this great list of tests! I will ask what testing my

district is doing specifically. We had planning meet late last friday, now we

all have a week off of school!! so I have to wait till next week to call them.

For a 3.5yr old that hardly has many sounds (regressed from 1.5yrs ago) seems I

don't need to push for many detailed tests..as long as the SLP has a good

starting point...and they will get closer to seeing what to work on, when they

actually start working with my son..right?

any other advice, all ears..thanks!!

Ivy

>

> For kids with apraxia, I use:

>

> VMPAC & /or KSPT (Kaufman Speech Praxis Test) & Goldman Fristoe Test of

> Articulation 2 (GFTA2) & my own oral motor/eating analysis

>

>

>

> I select each test based on the child's needs, strengths, age, and

> anticipated level of cooperation with tests. The VMPAC is great but is a

> long test and it's challenging for young kids. If a child is not yet

> producing many sounds, I may only use the GFTA2 & analyze the error

> patterns. If a child is only producing a few sounds, I may only use my

> o-m/eating analysis. When a child has multiple word approximations but is

> not yet clear, I use the VMPAC, GFTA2, and my own analysis.

>

>

>

> Warmest wishes,

>

> Barbara

>

> Barbara A. , M.S., CCC-SLP

>

> CEO/ Help Me Speak, LLC

>

> <http://www.helpmespeak.com/> http://www.helpmespeak.com

>

> (o) 410-442-9791 (f) 410-442-9783

>

> 2500 Wallington Way; Suite 103

>

> Marriottsville, MD 21104

>

>

>

> follow us on FaceBook:

> http://www.facebook.com/ffcentralmaryland#!/pages/Help-Me-Speak-LLC/10462885

> 2032

>

>

>

> Call me with any questions about NutriiVeda!

>

>

>

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> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of igreene_88

> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:39 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] IQ and Speech Tests for Apraxic Children

>

>

>

>

>

> I am wondering WHAT tests are good to have as a baseline standard, and have

> your children gotten ALL or many of these, which ones?

>

> My son is 3.5yrs old with severe verbal apraxia, (he has been dx many times,

> so I am not looking for testing to necessarily tell me he has this). He has

> never gotten any standarized testing done, even though we have many, many

> evals done in the past 2 years. The ONLY one he has gotten is a " Preschool

> Language Scale:4th ed " by a SLP who said she worked with and knew apraxia

> well..hmmm.

>

> These are some of the tests I have found in my research, are they used

> often?

>

> Are some better than others?

> who gives these tests?

> Do I demand my school district to use some of these?

>

> Do I have these done privately before he starts with his IEP to judge for

> ourselves a baseline?

>

> FOR SPEECH:

>

> Verbal Motor Production Assessment for Children (VMPAC)

> the Apraxia Profile

> Kaufman Speech Praxis test

> the Screening Test for Developmental Apraxia of Speech (STDAS-2)

>

> FOR IQ TESTING:

>

> Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children (Kaufman-ABC)

> Leiter International Performance Scale (Leiter-2)

> Test of Non-Verbal Intelligence 2 (TONI-2) for ages 5 and up

>

> thank you all so much for your help with my questions!!

> Ivy

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If they have told you his receptive is on target, as it is with most apraxia

kids, I wouldnt worry about a real iq test for a couple years. If you're in

touch with the school district, ask when they'd do it. I meant you wont have to

push or demand it because its always part of the evaluation process for coming

into the system or a triennial eval.they wont let us say no to the psych part,

it goes with any pt, ot or speech eval.

At 3yo you would have just some into the system from EI? so if you speak to

the school district psychologist they may even give you an idea of a number if

thats what you want.

my 9yo daughter has severe apraxia and was only signing between 3yo-6yo when she

finally began to talk in K. But there was never a question of her receptive, as

long as they were doing the non-verbal testing and pointing was ok during the

testing. they usually get the psychological testing done in 45 min or have you

come back 2 different days.

Maureen

> > >

> > > I am wondering WHAT tests are good to have as a baseline standard, and

have your children gotten ALL or many of these, which ones?

> > >

> > > My son is 3.5yrs old with severe verbal apraxia, (he has been dx many

times, so I am not looking for testing to necessarily tell me he has this). He

has never gotten any standarized testing done, even though we have many, many

evals done in the past 2 years. The ONLY one he has gotten is a " Preschool

Language Scale:4th ed " by a SLP who said she worked with and knew apraxia

well..hmmm.

> > >

> > > These are some of the tests I have found in my research, are they used

often?

> > >

> > > Are some better than others?

> > > who gives these tests?

> > > Do I demand my school district to use some of these?

> > >

> > > Do I have these done privately before he starts with his IEP to judge for

ourselves a baseline?

> > >

> > > FOR SPEECH:

> > >

> > > Verbal Motor Production Assessment for Children (VMPAC)

> > > the Apraxia Profile

> > > Kaufman Speech Praxis test

> > > the Screening Test for Developmental Apraxia of Speech (STDAS-2)

> > >

> > >

> > > FOR IQ TESTING:

> > >

> > > Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children (Kaufman-ABC)

> > > Leiter International Performance Scale (Leiter-2)

> > > Test of Non-Verbal Intelligence 2 (TONI-2) for ages 5 and up

> > >

> > > thank you all so much for your help with my questions!!

> > > Ivy

> > >

> >

>