Re: NV and Detox

[Guest guest]

Could it be allergies ? I know of some families where kids had lost control and

they found out it was allergies. It could be seasonal or something in the NV. I

know someone who wanted to try NV until she told me that her son is allergic to

Cinnamon .

Kathy

>

> Has anyone found a period of detoxing with NV?  And if so, did it happen right

away or weeks or months later?  has been on 2 to 4 scoops daily 2.5

months and in the past three weeks or so his behavior continues to be off the

charts.  He is ODD and they are having a hard time controlling him at school. 

This is not my " typical " kid.  When he has issues he is usually easily

re-directed.  I have been trying to figure out what else could be contributing

to his awful behavior, so I wanted to throw this out there to see if anyone else

has had this problem.

> The good news is still seizure free??

> Alyssa

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is in the ingredients of NV?  Are there sugars or colors?  My daughter is

very sensitive to even regular tylenol because of those reasons.

From: Dean <dvsdean@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: NV and Detox

Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 3:42 PM

 

Could it be allergies ? I know of some families where kids had lost

control and they found out it was allergies. It could be seasonal or something

in the NV. I know someone who wanted to try NV until she told me that her son is

allergic to Cinnamon .

Kathy

>

> Has anyone found a period of detoxing with NV?  And if so, did it happen

right away or weeks or months later?  has been on 2 to 4 scoops daily

2.5 months and in the past three weeks or so his behavior continues to be off

the charts.  He is ODD and they are having a hard time controlling him at

school.  This is not my " typical " kid.  When he has issues he is usually

easily re-directed.  I have been trying to figure out what else could be

contributing to his awful behavior, so I wanted to throw this out there to see

if anyone else has had this problem.

> The good news is still seizure free??

> Alyssa

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy I think he just done with school but trying to cover all basis.

Thanks for the ideas.

Alyssa

On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:42 PM, " Dean " <dvsdean@...> wrote:

> Could it be allergies ? I know of some families where kids had lost

> control and they found out it was allergies. It could be seasonal or

> something in the NV. I know someone who wanted to try NV until she

> told me that her son is allergic to Cinnamon .

> Kathy

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone found a period of detoxing with NV? And if so, did it

> happen right away or weeks or months later? has been on 2

> to 4 scoops daily 2.5 months and in the past three weeks or so his

> behavior continues to be off the charts. He is ODD and they are

> having a hard time controlling him at school. This is not my

> " typical " kid. When he has issues he is usually easily re-

> directed. I have been trying to figure out what else could be

> contributing to his awful behavior, so I wanted to throw this out

> there to see if anyone else has had this problem.

> > The good news is still seizure free??

> > Alyssa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

No! No artificial anything. No bad sugars or colors.

NutriiVeda is food. You can read the ingredients here

http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html

Warmest wishes,

Barbara A , M.S., CCC-SLP

Executive Director, Help Me Speak, LLC

410-442-9791

Re: [ ] Re: NV and Detox

what is in the ingredients of NV?  Are there sugars or colors?  My daughter is

very sensitive to even regular tylenol because of those reasons.

[Guest guest]

I just got back in town and took a quick peek at seizures and odd behavior. I

don't know in what way he is acting odd (or Alyssa did you mean to say OCD???

because I did find quite a few links between certain type of seizures and OCD)

Sometimes you need to step back and look at the pros and cons. Only Alyssa can

really do that but I just want to share my thoughts which contain what I believe

are some pros and cons.

Alyssa's son had prior to nutriiveda never went more than 2 to 3 weeks tops

without a seizure.

Alyssa's son has been seizure free for the first time for the past 10 weeks now

since being on nutriiveda...and as if that isn't enough -that is including his

seizure meds (depakote) dosage with her son's doc's knowledge has been cut in

half.

As if that isn't enough -over the holiday right after reducing the meds which

from what I heard is the greatest time for there to be a seizure -her son went

on a wild crazy roller coaster that had warnings against those with epilepsy

riding and came off and wanted to go again. So seizure free even when tested

-kind of like Mel Ketchum.

So the question is and I don't believe it's bold of me to ask...how would ANYONE

know what's normal for Alyssa's son -including Alyssa and her husband- her

child's doctor and teachers -when this is the first time that he has gone so

long without a seizure and on reduced meds. We know from Mel's doctor that

after extensive neuro testing, scans and attempts to trigger seizures in the

hospital that Mel's brain apparently looks different right now " healthy " and is

seizure free for 3 months- a bit longer than Alyssa's son- and Mel's doctor

believes will be off all seizure meds as of later this year.

But on a sad note -due to not being aware of how powerful good nutrition is on

healing even neuro conditions- 's seizure meds were too high and created

myopathies throughout her body that she has to overcome -as well as overcoming

pneumonia which went undiagnosed for days while they thought it was seizures

(please pray for

http://littlemermaidmelanie.wordpress.com/category/ayurveda-journal )

I'm reading a book right now called The Genius in All of Us by Shenk which

directly talks about how nature influences our genes. What I found so

interesting is how even simple things like providing nutrition. But reactions

don't necessarily happen overnight when there is more healing going on. It

appears to me that Alyssa's son is dealing with a bit more on his plate than

those children who just have a speech impairment.

So the question goes out specifically to those that have children similar to

Alyssa's as I know there is a growing group of parents reporting their child

seizure free once on nutriiveda. In those cases are you seeing different

behaviors? I know in Mel's case as we can follow her blog that was not the

case- well if it was it was all to the positive.

Is it at all possible that the child is more aware of placement and it's not

really appropriate for him anymore? I heard that from one parent of an autistic

son that as he grew more aware of his placement he no longer wanted to be in the

class he was in -didn't feel he belonged there (wasn't it Sowmya? She is in

India helping her grandmother who is ill but I'm pretty sure)

It's just my hunch this isn't as much detox as it is healing. I stand by there

is no way to know what is " typical " for a child that had seizures every 2 to 3

weeks when due to just good nutrition that may have been lacking in his (and

our!) diet prior his body now has what was needed to help itself. Again for the

first time (right Alyssa??) he's 10 weeks -7 weeks longer than before -seizure

free and on a half dosage of his seizure meds. Clearly something is going on

-and if we look at Mel's case and the others being reported- lack of seizures to

me is number one priority. Behavior- shmahavior! We're talking about kids and

in the scheme of things behavior to me is way less of a " problem " in a serious

sense than seizures.

I do NOT think this is an allergic reaction. I do not think it's detox (somehow

I think I have to say now " I will not eat green eggs and ham " ) Seriously - in

my opinion this is one time if it is just behavior I'd find some behavioral

approaches that are appropriate to deal with what is going on. But FIRST- I'd

try to find out from the child...why?

Oh and Kathy tell the lady that didn't try nutriiveda due to cinnamon allergy

that the chocolate nutriiveda has cayenne pepper instead of cinnamon which is

only in the vanilla. I my opinion if you don't check out nutriiveda and try it

-that's just insane as the results are off the charts in many cases. And good

news just reported to me from the survey -there is one family that reported it

took 2 months to start seeing the surges. So while almost all see them in a few

days to a week -there may be children that take a wee bit longer because perhaps

they have more to deal with.

=====

[Guest guest]

I read all the posts on this string and I am intriqued. I have shared the

thought in the past that some of the behavioral changes people are observing in

the beginning is acclimation to the aryuvedic medicine in this product instead

of detox (yes, all naturally occurring ingredients/food, but in a specific

combination to create a form of medicine - the definition of medicine being " any

substance or substances used in treating disease or illness; medicament;

remedy " ).

Here's what I am wondering, and I hope that any research on this product look at

the following questions:

It seems that some children with seizure disorders are observing a reduction in

seizures after starting Nutriveda. In Mel's case, it possibly interacted with

the Depakote she was taking to create toxicity when it was increased.

I'm wondering:

Anticonvulsant medication like Depakote, Tegretol, and Lamictal are used as mood

stabilizers in people diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. The reason it works as a

mood stabilizer is unknown, but it does.

1. Since it may work in some way like an anticonvulsant, and anticonvulsants

have an impact on mood, is it possible that Nutriveda somehow is having an

impact on mood? In a subset of children, this may not be a positive impact on

mood - could be either increased hyperactivity when acclimating to it being in

their system or in this child's case, an ongoing adverse reaction in regards to

mood?

2. For people with OCD, anxiety, depression, and bipolar disorder, medications

create different reactions in different people - sometimes it's trial and error

to see what will work. What works for one person creates strong agitation in

another, sedation in a third. There are even studies that show people with

anxiety who are treated with antidepressants (SSRI's - also shown to help

anxiety and OCD) sometimes develop clinical depression when they have never had

it before while taking antidepressant medication. It treats the anxiety, but in

a subset of people it creates something that wasn't there before, and ironically

something that the medication was specifically created to eliminate.

Could the same process be happening for some kids on Nutriveda???

3. Is it possible that the ayurvedic combination in Nutriveda is augmenting

anticonvulsant medication (increasing the level in the blood) so that a lower

dose of seizure medication is needed and that it possibly works in combination

with a lower dose anticonvulsant better than the anticonvulsant alone? This is

caused augmentation and happens some times with particular medications.

4. With some anticonvulsants and mood stabilizers you need to monitor that

things are processing correctly via the liver or kidneys. If Nutriveda does

somehow impact the way the body eliminates anticonvulsants (resulting in a

higher blood level), then another thing a physician may want to monitor is a

child's liver and kidney function.

Just what's going through my mind.

Y'all take care!

Diane

[Guest guest]

from what I read in 's blog her doctor stated that her brain scans are

different, and that her brain is " healing " and she is expected to be off all

meds later this year due to NV. Is there a way for Alyssa to get brain scans

for her son? Has there been anything else in the past that has " healed "

seizures? I hope the following article helps either way. Since NV is so low in

sugar and gluten free perhaps if for Alyssa's child she can try increasing

carbohydrates like grains or fruit as they will calm? or based on the following

try serving the protein at a different time of day? PM vs AM?

Mood-Food Relationships

Research on the connection between a person's mood and the food he or she eats

has reveled what many people have long believed, that eating a certain food can

influence a person's mood—at least temporarily. Research by Judith Wurtman, a

professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), has focused on how

certain foods alter one's mood by influencing the level of certain brain

chemicals called neurotransmitters . While many other factors influence the

level of these chemicals, such as hormones , heredity, drugs , and alcohol,

three neurotransmitters—dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin —have been

studied in relation to food, and this research has shown that neurotransmitters

are produced in the brain from components of certain foods.

Effects of Neurotransmitters

Wurtman has reported that people are more alert when their brains are producing

the neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine, while serotonin production in

the brain has been associated with a more calming, anxiety -reducing effect (and

even drowsiness in some people). A stable brain serotonin level is associated

with a positive mood state. It appears that women have a greater sensitivity

than men to changes in this brain chemical. Mood swings during the menstrual

cycle and menopause are thought to be caused by hormonal changes that influence

the production of serotonin.

How does diet play a role? The foods that increase the production of serotonin

in the brain are high in carbohydrates . Many kinds of foods carbohydrates, such

as candy, cereal, and pasta, can produce a temporary increase in brain

serotonin—and a subsequent calming or anxiety-reducing effect. This explains why

people may feel drowsy in the afternoon after eating a large meal of pasta,

since a rise in serotonin in the brain can also lead to drowsiness.

Carbohydrates affect brain serotonin because they increase the amount of

tryptophan in the brain. Tryptophan is the amino-acid precursor of serotonin.

The two other important brain chemicals that appear to be influenced by foods,

dopamine and norepinephrine, produce a feeling of alertness, an increased

ability to concentrate, and faster reaction times. There are two possible

mechanisms for how this happens: (1) serotonin production is blocked by the

consumption of protein-rich foods, resulting in increased alertness or

concentration, or (2) levels of dopamine and norepinephrine are increased by the

consumption of protein-rich foods.

Chocolate consumption stimulates the release of serotonin and endorphin into the

body, which combine to produce a relaxed or euphoric feeling. This may explain

why some people crave chocolate when they're feeling depressed.

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Chocolate consumption stimulates the release of serotonin and endorphin into the

body, which combine to produce a relaxed or euphoric feeling. This may explain

why some people crave chocolate when they're feeling depressed.

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The food-mood response is short term. Eating tuna at lunch may increase

alertness and concentration for two to three hours after eating, just as having

pasta with tomato sauce will produce a calming response for two to three hours.

Someday, there may be menus that offer foods for their intended mood effects.

Such a menu might have selections such as " Smart Soup, " " Happy Hamburger, "

" Serene Salad, " or " Sleepy Spaghetti. "

Size of Meal

Another factor that influences alertness and performance is the size of a meal.

Large lunches containing 1,000 calories have been associated with decreased

performance in the afternoon. Such high-calorie lunches tend to be high in fat .

A lunch consisting of a double hamburger, french fries, and a shake would fit

into this category. The size of a meal makes a difference because fat slows down

absorption , and because blood flow to the stomach is increased for a longer

period of time, resulting in less blood flow to the brain. The result is to feel

sleepy and sluggish.

Circadian Rhythms

Circadian rhythms also affect eating and performance. These rhythms influence

when individuals are more active, and when they are more likely to be sleepy.

Research indicates there are different eating patterns for individuals with

different rhythms. These eating patterns can enhance energy levels and

performance. For example, " morning people " are usually at their best and most

focused during the early hours of the day. Although breakfast is important, what

foods these people eat becomes more important at lunch and throughout the

afternoon. The energy level of a morning person begins to drop during the

afternoon, and evening is their least alert and productive time. Thus, what they

choose to eat at lunch and for snacks can make a difference in how they feel

later in the day.

DIET-MOOD CONNECTION

Nutrient Food sources Neurotransmitter/mechanism Proposed effect

Protein Meat, Milk, Eggs, Cheese, Fish, Beans Dopamine, Norepinephrine

Increased alertness, concentration

Carbohydrate (CHO) Grains, Fruits, Sugars Serotonin Increased calmness,

relaxation

Calories All Foods Reduced blood flow to the brain Excess calories in a meal

is associated with decreased alertness and concentration after the meal

Morning people need their protein-rich foods during the afternoon and evening,

particularly if they need to be focused later in the day for a meeting or some

other work requiring attention to detail. Instead of a lunch of pasta with

marinara sauce, for example, morning people would be more alert in the afternoon

if they added some grilled chicken, seafood, or other protein source to their

pasta dish, thus increasing their levels of dopamine and norepinephrine.

Many people who are " evening persons, " or " night owls, " must nevertheless be at

work at 9 a.m. For these people it is important not only to have breakfast, but

to make sure that protein-rich food is part of the breakfast. Protein provides

the brain with tyrosine, an amino acid that is a precursor of the chemicals that

promote alertness. A mid-morning snack is another good time to include a

protein-rich food, such as cheese or yogurt.

Positive Moods and Stress Reduction

Another group of chemicals that can influence mood and appetite are the

endorphins. These are the body's natural opiate-like chemicals that produce a

positive mood state, decreased pain sensitivity, and reduced stress. Endorphins

are released when a person is in pain, during starvation, and during

exercise—resulting in what is known as a " runner's high. " Researchers are now

looking at ways to utilize this response to alleviate chronic pain. Studies have

shown that acupuncture may relieve pain by stimulating the release of

endorphins.

A food substance related to endorphins is phenylethylamine, which is found in

chocolate. Chocolate has always been a highly valued commodity in many cultures,

and there is some evidence that chocolate may improve mood temporarily due to

its high levels of sugar and fat, phenylethylamine, and caffeine. The sugar in

chocolate is associated with a release of the neurotransmitter serotonin, and

the fat and phenylethylamine are associated with an endorphin release. This

combination produces an effect that has been called " optimal brain happiness. "

The caffeine in chocolate adds a temporary stimulant effect.

Are You a Night Owl or an Early Bird?

Early Bird Traits

* Wakes up before the alarm goes off

* More energetic and productive during the morning

* Often up before daylight working on projects

* Energetic and alert during evening hours

* Typical bedtime around would be 9:00 to 10:00 p.m.

Night Owl Traits

* Only wakes up in the morning if the alarm is going off

* Ideal workday would begin at noon

* It takes several cups of coffee to function in the morning

* Most productive and alert in the afternoon and evening

* Typical bedtime would be after the late night news

If changing one's diet does not produce a desired improvement in mood, or if

feelings of sadness or disinterest occur much of the time, it is important to be

evaluated for depression . In people who are depressed, brain serotonin levels

are significantly lowered, and treatment usually involves a medication that can

elevate serotonin levels to the normal range. Although food can provide a

temporary lift, it does not provide enough serotonin to alleviate depression or

changes in neurotransmitters associated with eating disorders.

Research on the food-mood connection has been aimed at understanding the effects

of eating particular foods during particular mood states, as well as how foods

can help to achieve a particular mood state. Future research will focus on the

application of this research, such as to what degree food choices can influence

worker productivity or affect circadian rhythm in cases of jet lag or lack of

sleep.

SEE ALSO A DDICTION , F OOD ; C RAVINGS ; E ATING H ABITS .

Christie

Bibliography

, , and Christie, (1998). I'd Kill for a Cookie. New

York: Dutton.

Wurtman, J. (1989) " Carbohydrate Craving, Mood Changes, and Obesity. " Journal of

Clinical Psychiatry 49 (Suppl.) 37–39.

Wurtman, R. J., et. al. (1986) " Carbohydrate Cravings, Obesity and Brain

Serotonin. " Appetite 7 (Suppl.): 99–103.

Wurtman, R. J., and J. J. Wurtman (1989) " Carbohydrates and Depression. "

Scientific American (January): 68–75.

Read more: Mood-Food Relationships - effects, nutrition, body, diet, absorption,

carbohydrate, protein, fat, eating, carbohydrates, amino, habits, Effects of

Neurotransmitters, Size of Meal

http://www.faqs.org/nutrition/Met-Obe/Mood-Food-Relationships.html

>

> I just got back in town and took a quick peek at seizures and odd behavior. I

don't know in what way he is acting odd (or Alyssa did you mean to say OCD???

because I did find quite a few links between certain type of seizures and OCD)

>

> Sometimes you need to step back and look at the pros and cons. Only Alyssa

can really do that but I just want to share my thoughts which contain what I

believe are some pros and cons.

>

> Alyssa's son had prior to nutriiveda never went more than 2 to 3 weeks tops

without a seizure.

>

> Alyssa's son has been seizure free for the first time for the past 10 weeks

now since being on nutriiveda...and as if that isn't enough -that is including

his seizure meds (depakote) dosage with her son's doc's knowledge has been cut

in half.

>

> As if that isn't enough -over the holiday right after reducing the meds which

from what I heard is the greatest time for there to be a seizure -her son went

on a wild crazy roller coaster that had warnings against those with epilepsy

riding and came off and wanted to go again. So seizure free even when tested

-kind of like Mel Ketchum.

>

> So the question is and I don't believe it's bold of me to ask...how would

ANYONE know what's normal for Alyssa's son -including Alyssa and her husband-

her child's doctor and teachers -when this is the first time that he has gone so

long without a seizure and on reduced meds. We know from Mel's doctor that

after extensive neuro testing, scans and attempts to trigger seizures in the

hospital that Mel's brain apparently looks different right now " healthy " and is

seizure free for 3 months- a bit longer than Alyssa's son- and Mel's doctor

believes will be off all seizure meds as of later this year.

>

> But on a sad note -due to not being aware of how powerful good nutrition is on

healing even neuro conditions- 's seizure meds were too high and created

myopathies throughout her body that she has to overcome -as well as overcoming

pneumonia which went undiagnosed for days while they thought it was seizures

(please pray for

http://littlemermaidmelanie.wordpress.com/category/ayurveda-journal )

>

> I'm reading a book right now called The Genius in All of Us by Shenk

which directly talks about how nature influences our genes. What I found so

interesting is how even simple things like providing nutrition. But reactions

don't necessarily happen overnight when there is more healing going on. It

appears to me that Alyssa's son is dealing with a bit more on his plate than

those children who just have a speech impairment.

>

> So the question goes out specifically to those that have children similar to

Alyssa's as I know there is a growing group of parents reporting their child

seizure free once on nutriiveda. In those cases are you seeing different

behaviors? I know in Mel's case as we can follow her blog that was not the

case- well if it was it was all to the positive.

>

> Is it at all possible that the child is more aware of placement and it's not

really appropriate for him anymore? I heard that from one parent of an autistic

son that as he grew more aware of his placement he no longer wanted to be in the

class he was in -didn't feel he belonged there (wasn't it Sowmya? She is in

India helping her grandmother who is ill but I'm pretty sure)

>

> It's just my hunch this isn't as much detox as it is healing. I stand by

there is no way to know what is " typical " for a child that had seizures every 2

to 3 weeks when due to just good nutrition that may have been lacking in his

(and our!) diet prior his body now has what was needed to help itself. Again

for the first time (right Alyssa??) he's 10 weeks -7 weeks longer than before

-seizure free and on a half dosage of his seizure meds. Clearly something is

going on -and if we look at Mel's case and the others being reported- lack of

seizures to me is number one priority. Behavior- shmahavior! We're talking

about kids and in the scheme of things behavior to me is way less of a " problem "

in a serious sense than seizures.

>

> I do NOT think this is an allergic reaction. I do not think it's detox

(somehow I think I have to say now " I will not eat green eggs and ham " )

Seriously - in my opinion this is one time if it is just behavior I'd find some

behavioral approaches that are appropriate to deal with what is going on. But

FIRST- I'd try to find out from the child...why?

>

> Oh and Kathy tell the lady that didn't try nutriiveda due to cinnamon allergy

that the chocolate nutriiveda has cayenne pepper instead of cinnamon which is

only in the vanilla. I my opinion if you don't check out nutriiveda and try it

-that's just insane as the results are off the charts in many cases. And good

news just reported to me from the survey -there is one family that reported it

took 2 months to start seeing the surges. So while almost all see them in a few

days to a week -there may be children that take a wee bit longer because perhaps

they have more to deal with.

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Good morning ,

Hope you had a great break. I agree!! It was me who spoke about my

pushing the county for different school placement. In fact Barabara's

guess is that he is more aware of he differences. There is a lots

going on at school that is not happening else where, so for un known

reasons he is ODD at scool. Oppossional defiant and aggressive, let's

call it ODA.. Ha ha

School is working on his behaviors by changing his BIP.. I am still

glad that we started NV and would not hesitate to recomend it to anyone.

I'll keep you posted. Call you later too much to email

Alyssa

On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:48 PM, " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> wrote:

> I just got back in town and took a quick peek at seizures and odd

> behavior. I don't know in what way he is acting odd (or Alyssa did

> you mean to say OCD??? because I did find quite a few links between

> certain type of seizures and OCD)

>

> Sometimes you need to step back and look at the pros and cons. Only

> Alyssa can really do that but I just want to share my thoughts which

> contain what I believe are some pros and cons.

>

> Alyssa's son had prior to nutriiveda never went more than 2 to 3

> weeks tops without a seizure.

>

> Alyssa's son has been seizure free for the first time for the past

> 10 weeks now since being on nutriiveda...and as if that isn't enough

> -that is including his seizure meds (depakote) dosage with her son's

> doc's knowledge has been cut in half.

>

> As if that isn't enough -over the holiday right after reducing the

> meds which from what I heard is the greatest time for there to be a

> seizure -her son went on a wild crazy roller coaster that had

> warnings against those with epilepsy riding and came off and wanted

> to go again. So seizure free even when tested -kind of like Mel

> Ketchum.

>

> So the question is and I don't believe it's bold of me to ask...how

> would ANYONE know what's normal for Alyssa's son -including Alyssa

> and her husband- her child's doctor and teachers -when this is the

> first time that he has gone so long without a seizure and on reduced

> meds. We know from Mel's doctor that after extensive neuro testing,

> scans and attempts to trigger seizures in the hospital that Mel's

> brain apparently looks different right now " healthy " and is seizure

> free for 3 months- a bit longer than Alyssa's son- and Mel's doctor

> believes will be off all seizure meds as of later this year.

>

> But on a sad note -due to not being aware of how powerful good

> nutrition is on healing even neuro conditions- 's seizure

> meds were too high and created myopathies throughout her body that

> she has to overcome -as well as overcoming pneumonia which went

> undiagnosed for days while they thought it was seizures (please pray

> for

http://littlemermaidmelanie.wordpress.com/category/ayurveda-journal

> )

>

> I'm reading a book right now called The Genius in All of Us by

> Shenk which directly talks about how nature influences our genes.

> What I found so interesting is how even simple things like providing

> nutrition. But reactions don't necessarily happen overnight when

> there is more healing going on. It appears to me that Alyssa's son

> is dealing with a bit more on his plate than those children who just

> have a speech impairment.

>

> So the question goes out specifically to those that have children

> similar to Alyssa's as I know there is a growing group of parents

> reporting their child seizure free once on nutriiveda. In those

> cases are you seeing different behaviors? I know in Mel's case as we

> can follow her blog that was not the case- well if it was it was all

> to the positive.

>

> Is it at all possible that the child is more aware of placement and

> it's not really appropriate for him anymore? I heard that from one

> parent of an autistic son that as he grew more aware of his

> placement he no longer wanted to be in the class he was in -didn't

> feel he belonged there (wasn't it Sowmya? She is in India helping

> her grandmother who is ill but I'm pretty sure)

>

> It's just my hunch this isn't as much detox as it is healing. I

> stand by there is no way to know what is " typical " for a child that

> had seizures every 2 to 3 weeks when due to just good nutrition that

> may have been lacking in his (and our!) diet prior his body now has

> what was needed to help itself. Again for the first time (right

> Alyssa??) he's 10 weeks -7 weeks longer than before -seizure free

> and on a half dosage of his seizure meds. Clearly something is going

> on -and if we look at Mel's case and the others being reported- lack

> of seizures to me is number one priority. Behavior- shmahavior!

> We're talking about kids and in the scheme of things behavior to me

> is way less of a " problem " in a serious sense than seizures.

>

> I do NOT think this is an allergic reaction. I do not think it's

> detox (somehow I think I have to say now " I will not eat green eggs

> and ham " ) Seriously - in my opinion this is one time if it is just

> behavior I'd find some behavioral approaches that are appropriate to

> deal with what is going on. But FIRST- I'd try to find out from the

> child...why?

>

> Oh and Kathy tell the lady that didn't try nutriiveda due to

> cinnamon allergy that the chocolate nutriiveda has cayenne pepper

> instead of cinnamon which is only in the vanilla. I my opinion if

> you don't check out nutriiveda and try it -that's just insane as the

> results are off the charts in many cases. And good news just

> reported to me from the survey -there is one family that reported it

> took 2 months to start seeing the surges. So while almost all see

> them in a few days to a week -there may be children that take a wee

> bit longer because perhaps they have more to deal with.

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Alyssa,

My son is a small 6 year old and has been on NV for about 2 1/2 months also. He

did get hyper the first week, so I backed off the dose, then increased it up to

1 scoop twice a day. He did terrific on this dose until about 4 weeks ago. He

started to have issues at school, and then at home (part of his microdeletion

syndrome). He just seemed cranky and on edge much of the time. I lowered the

dose to 1/2 scoop twice a day and within a day, his mood dramatically improved,

as well as his behavior at school. Not sure if it was the NV or not, but suspect

it was contributing.

Gretchen, Mother of 6, microdeletion syndrome

>

> Has anyone found a period of detoxing with NV?  And if so, did it happen right

away or weeks or months later?  has been on 2 to 4 scoops daily 2.5

months and in the past three weeks or so his behavior continues to be off the

charts.  He is ODD and they are having a hard time controlling him at school. 

This is not my " typical " kid.  When he has issues he is usually easily

re-directed.  I have been trying to figure out what else could be contributing

to his awful behavior, so I wanted to throw this out there to see if anyone else

has had this problem.

> The good news is still seizure free??

> Alyssa

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are sugars, but they are naturally occurring ones, like organic cane sugar

and it 1/4 of the way down the list

NO COLORS, NO ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS, NO UNPRONOUNCEABLE PRESERVATIVES

My son and I both are sensitive to those.

>

> what is in the ingredients of NV?  Are there sugars or colors?  My daughter

is very sensitive to even regular tylenol because of those reasons.

>

>

>

>

> ---

[Guest guest]

In most cases I agree with you Gretchen I would say cut the dosage of nutriiveda

if you notice initial behaviors you don't like. We've seen this with fish oils

over the years and I'm sure there is a logical explanation and some have been

shared but as we know these things are temporary anyway. It's suggested for

those that don't want to deal with them -but in both cases some parents just

deal with that stage and it typically doesn't last more than a week or so.

But in the case of a child who is prone to seizures and where the seizures have

completely ceased since being on nutriiveda even when seizure meds are cut in

half and even when put on rides with warnings for those prone to seizures (or

put through extensive testing to trigger seizures in the hospital

http://littlemermaidmelanie.wordpress.com/category/ayurveda-journal ) with no

seizure activity at all.

I have strong belief that one would not want to reduce nutriiveda as that in

theory could trigger a seizure- that is unless seizure meds were raised again or

something. To me seizures are far worse than behaviors which could in theory be

deemed as " normal " anyway in some cases. And at times a child acts up because

he's a smart cookie -in Alyssa's case she did confirm that her son is acting out

in school due to classroom placement her and the school are looking to tweak.

He's probably aware his placement is no longer appropriate for him as he's

probably improved in all areas after not having seizures for 10 weeks for the

first time when previous to nutriiveda he didn't go longer than 2 to 3 weeks

-and with half dosage of meds too?? That's incredible. Good for him!

=====

[Guest guest]

Hello,

We also have a child with the same syndrome and I have had him on the NV for two

months now and I have noticed his behavior to literally be off the charts. Now

with his syndrome they do have these behaviors but I have noticed that since

being on the two scoops a day that he has totally changed in personality. I have

backed him off to see if the NV is the problem. I am hoping that it is just

because his brain is now able to take in more info and is trying to process it

all and that may be why he is acting out so horribly because it is all just too

much for him right now. We shall see how it goes.

a

>

> In most cases I agree with you Gretchen I would say cut the dosage of

nutriiveda if you notice initial behaviors you don't like. We've seen this with

fish oils over the years and I'm sure there is a logical explanation and some

have been shared but as we know these things are temporary anyway. It's

suggested for those that don't want to deal with them -but in both cases some

parents just deal with that stage and it typically doesn't last more than a week

or so.

>

> But in the case of a child who is prone to seizures and where the seizures

have completely ceased since being on nutriiveda even when seizure meds are cut

in half and even when put on rides with warnings for those prone to seizures (or

put through extensive testing to trigger seizures in the hospital

http://littlemermaidmelanie.wordpress.com/category/ayurveda-journal ) with no

seizure activity at all.

>

> I have strong belief that one would not want to reduce nutriiveda as that in

theory could trigger a seizure- that is unless seizure meds were raised again or

something. To me seizures are far worse than behaviors which could in theory be

deemed as " normal " anyway in some cases. And at times a child acts up because

he's a smart cookie -in Alyssa's case she did confirm that her son is acting out

in school due to classroom placement her and the school are looking to tweak.

He's probably aware his placement is no longer appropriate for him as he's

probably improved in all areas after not having seizures for 10 weeks for the

first time when previous to nutriiveda he didn't go longer than 2 to 3 weeks

-and with half dosage of meds too?? That's incredible. Good for him!

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I totally agree with you when you said that some drugs, that are meant to combat

one issue can cause another. I have a son with Tourettes syndrome, ocd, anxiety

disorder and rage attacks due to high level of frustration and anxiety. We put

our son on Zoloft and Topomax for the rages and anxiety. What we didn't realize,

until it happened, was that he actually started suffering from some nasty

depression due to the topomax levels that he was on. We figured out that we

needed to raise the zoloft in order to combat the affects of the topomax and

lower to topomax so that the zoloft could " catch up " . We are now very slowly

raising his topomax back up to the original level and hoping that we don't have

to raise the zoloft again.

Once I did all the research on topomax I understood why this happened.

Apparently many meds such as this one, for what they are using it for, can cause

this depression to happen. It is a seizure med but they use it now for many

other things like with our son who needs it to control the rages and

frustration. Believe when I say how scared I was to see my 11 yr old in such a

sad and black state. I know better now and even the school is watching him way

more closely. They saw what I was and got very concerned. This was not who our

kid was. Now we have him back and are hoping that things stay calm for a long

time.

Thanks for your input. I read it and agree with you that perhaps the NV can

cause some things to happen. I have reduced out son's dose to see if his major

meltdowns are a result of the NV being to high or if it is just him.

Blessings,

a

[Guest guest]

Not my apraxic son but my younger son that has no issues is the one that throws

the tantrums and says no to anything you ask him. Anything to share in the bag

of knowledge in this group to help with that? LOL Kate

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone-

I have not posted in awhile- have been super busy since my Son started Pre

K.... (We now have 2 kids in pre K- and both of them have the same start

time in 2 different schools). Hubby and I have been going nuts over the

transportation issues!

Awhile back, someone posted a note about how they felt nervous when they

started the NV.... and how that feeling went away when they stopped. I

wanted to mention that this happened to me as well. I started taking NV when

I put my Son on it.... and I felt like a massive pressure cooker inside. I

attributed it to stress from the crazy schedule we have trying to do our

best for one child who has delays due to Apraxia and his 5 year old sister

who is very advanced. Between therapy, school times, " Fun class times " and

helping my elderly parents- there is not much time left in each day.

We all came down with the flu one by one a few weeks ago. I was the third

in our home to get it-- and I started throwing up a bit after I took my AM

NV dose. I did not feel like drinking NV for awhile after having the

taste of it in my mouth as throw up... (do you all know what I mean-- you eat

or drink something-- then you become ill due to the flu- and you throw up

whatever is in your stomach.... then you don't feel like eating or drinking

whatever it was that you ate or drank prior to becoming ill)?

I noticed a few days later that I no longer felt nervous... so I wonder

if the NV was making me feel that way. I will admit- I was not drinking

enough water while on NV. I have been reluctant to take the NV since then

because the stress in our lives has increased. Any thoughts about this?

My Son is still on 1/2 scoop 2x per day-- and seems to be doing well.....

he sang for the first time after being on it 3 weeks... he is more social

with peers, he seems to imitate more.... His gains seemed to occur within 3

weeks after starting NV... He has had no more gains though..... There was a

surge-- and he has maintained these gains-- but there have been no new

gains. He has been on NV since mid Feb. He is 3 years and one month old. He

has a dx of Moderate to Severe Apraxia. I am wondering if I should

increase his dose? One of his docs actually showed interest in the NV info-

and

read everything I gave him. He told me that this was the best thing he has

ever seen yet from a parent in regard to the nutritional content.

I still need to complete the survey- will do so asap. Take care all.

[Guest guest]

, I agree since had the horrible problem from the depakote that

anyone who is on seizure medication should have their seizure medication level

checked. Even one glass of grapefruit juice can significantly change some drug

levels. This happens by affecting specific metabolic pathways in the liver. This

is well known. Eggplant can nullify the anticoagulant effect of coumadin. There

are probably more food/drug interactions that are known and many that aren't

known yet. It's quite possible that something in the NV affects one or more of

the metabolic pathways for many drugs.

Even a change in nutrition can change drug levels, especially if someone's

nutrition either increases or decreases dramatically. suspect for some reason

wasn't absorbing nutrients adequately, and the NV circumvented and maybe

helped to heal that problem, too.

Maybe Alyssa's son's behavior issues were because he was improved. It sure

sounds like it. And what he has experienced is incredible. I didn't mean to take

away from that. Maybe this wasn't the place for me to report my son's issues,

but I thought it was important to do so.

I didn't decrease my son's dose of NV until there were 3 weeks of worsening

behavior. It was my last option. He has done reasonable well at school all year,

but from the day I started NV was getting superstar reports every day. Then

about 4 weeks ago his behavior worsened, and began spiraling downward. In fact,

the school decided they were no longer able to handle his behavior...almost

everyday for 3 weeks there was at least one incident. At home, he wasn't his

cheerful self, either. Since the day I cut the NV in half, there have been no

more 'incidents' at school. He still is often distracted at school, but not

everyday. He is fine at home now, and I have seen no evidence of regression. I

do think there were multiple factors involved in the behavior issues, and I

haven't teased them all out. But the fact they disappeared so quickly once I

reduced NV suggest the NV was at least contributing. I plan to continue the NV,

but I think it is as important to acknowledge problems, as well as positive

results.

Gretchen, mother of , 6

>

> In most cases I agree with you Gretchen I would say cut the dosage of

nutriiveda if you notice initial behaviors you don't like. We've seen this with

fish oils over the years and I'm sure there is a logical explanation and some

have been shared but as we know these things are temporary anyway. It's

suggested for those that don't want to deal with them -but in both cases some

parents just deal with that stage and it typically doesn't last more than a week

or so.

>

> But in the case of a child who is prone to seizures and where the seizures

have completely ceased since being on nutriiveda even when seizure meds are cut

in half and even when put on rides with warnings for those prone to seizures (or

put through extensive testing to trigger seizures in the hospital

http://littlemermaidmelanie.wordpress.com/category/ayurveda-journal ) with no

seizure activity at all.

>

> I have strong belief that one would not want to reduce nutriiveda as that in

theory could trigger a seizure- that is unless seizure meds were raised again or

something. To me seizures are far worse than behaviors which could in theory be

deemed as " normal " anyway in some cases. And at times a child acts up because

he's a smart cookie -in Alyssa's case she did confirm that her son is acting out

in school due to classroom placement her and the school are looking to tweak.

He's probably aware his placement is no longer appropriate for him as he's

probably improved in all areas after not having seizures for 10 weeks for the

first time when previous to nutriiveda he didn't go longer than 2 to 3 weeks

-and with half dosage of meds too?? That's incredible. Good for him!

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

- when I first started NV, I felt really hyper, too - anxious. The extra

energy was great, but the anxious feeling was not. For me, it passed about the

first few weeks. Now I just have lovely energy without the stressed out feeling

- and believe me, I've had reason to feel stressed out this month - and I feel

NV has actually helped me get through it better, because I just feel so much

better in general. I do go out of my way to drink a lot of water, though - for

me, the only way I can keep track of it is to use little tick marks on my daily

calendar for each 12 oz. I drink, and I try for 12 oz. each hour.

I found your question about increasing your son's dosage interesting, and I hope

can answer this - I'm wondering if it would make more sense to adjust

therapeutic dosages by weight instead of by age?

Dianne

>

> Hi everyone-

> I have not posted in awhile- have been super busy since my Son started Pre

> K.... (We now have 2 kids in pre K- and both of them have the same start

> time in 2 different schools). Hubby and I have been going nuts over the

> transportation issues!

>

> Awhile back, someone posted a note about how they felt nervous when they

> started the NV.... and how that feeling went away when they stopped. I

> wanted to mention that this happened to me as well. I started taking NV when

> I put my Son on it.... and I felt like a massive pressure cooker inside. I

> attributed it to stress from the crazy schedule we have trying to do our

> best for one child who has delays due to Apraxia and his 5 year old sister

> who is very advanced. Between therapy, school times, " Fun class times " and

> helping my elderly parents- there is not much time left in each day.

>

> We all came down with the flu one by one a few weeks ago. I was the third

> in our home to get it-- and I started throwing up a bit after I took my AM

> NV dose. I did not feel like drinking NV for awhile after having the

> taste of it in my mouth as throw up... (do you all know what I mean-- you

eat

> or drink something-- then you become ill due to the flu- and you throw up

> whatever is in your stomach.... then you don't feel like eating or drinking

> whatever it was that you ate or drank prior to becoming ill)?

>

> I noticed a few days later that I no longer felt nervous... so I wonder

> if the NV was making me feel that way. I will admit- I was not drinking

> enough water while on NV. I have been reluctant to take the NV since then

> because the stress in our lives has increased. Any thoughts about this?

>

> My Son is still on 1/2 scoop 2x per day-- and seems to be doing well.....

> he sang for the first time after being on it 3 weeks... he is more social

> with peers, he seems to imitate more.... His gains seemed to occur within 3

> weeks after starting NV... He has had no more gains though..... There was a

> surge-- and he has maintained these gains-- but there have been no new

> gains. He has been on NV since mid Feb. He is 3 years and one month old. He

> has a dx of Moderate to Severe Apraxia. I am wondering if I should

> increase his dose? One of his docs actually showed interest in the NV info-

and

> read everything I gave him. He told me that this was the best thing he has

> ever seen yet from a parent in regard to the nutritional content.

>

> I still need to complete the survey- will do so asap. Take care all.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder about dosage by weight instead of age also. I have my 3 year old, 26

lbs son on 1/2 a scoop, so 1/2 a dose for three weeks. I've seen some huge

increases, improved articulation, singing, dancing, increase in imaginative

play, noticing things when we are out, recognizing things that are the same,

sleeping through the night, potty training, learned to put on shoes and

underwear, playing better with others, talking about things that happened days

or weeks before. The last few days my super picky eater has only given a token

protest when I make him take a taste of a new food. Before this it was a huge

battle. The best was on my birthday a few days ago. We had gone to a birthday

party a few days earlier and the day before my birthday my husband and mom were

talking about our plans for my birthday. The next morning my son woke up and we

went to the bathroom. He was sitting on the potty and looked at me and said

" Happy Birthday Mommy! " I was shocked speechless! How did he know it was my

birthday? Later I asked my husband if he put my son up to that and he said no.

My little boy had overheard that tomorrow was my birthday, remembered his

friend's party, and told me happy birthday. Melts my heart every time I think

about it.

I have a 27 oz Klean Kanteen and drink four throughout the day to ensure

adequate water intake. My son has a 12 oz KK and he needs 1 1/2 to get enough

water. We just carry them with us everywhere.

http://www.kleankanteen.com/index.html

I prefer the stainless steel as the colored ones can chip if thrown or dropped.

Liralen

>

> - when I first started NV, I felt really hyper, too - anxious. The

extra energy was great, but the anxious feeling was not. For me, it passed

about the first few weeks. Now I just have lovely energy without the stressed

out feeling - and believe me, I've had reason to feel stressed out this month -

and I feel NV has actually helped me get through it better, because I just feel

so much better in general. I do go out of my way to drink a lot of water,

though - for me, the only way I can keep track of it is to use little tick marks

on my daily calendar for each 12 oz. I drink, and I try for 12 oz. each hour.

>

> I found your question about increasing your son's dosage interesting, and I

hope can answer this - I'm wondering if it would make more sense to adjust

therapeutic dosages by weight instead of by age?

>

> Dianne

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just want to let everyone know that Dianne really has so much to be stressed

out about this month as she said. And my condolences to you and your wonderful

family Dianne in the loss of your Dad.

((((hugs)))) to you!!

About nutriiveda I think in most cases that we need to go by age, but of course

there are extremes in weight to consider. Since I always advise checking with a

doctor that works with the child anyway I would seek their opinion. Liralen as

you and I have discussed your son is the rare exception to have a surge on a 1/2

dosage as most reports coming in are no surges at all until the full dosage that

is recommended- and we don't know what you would see if you went up to a full

scoop either yet but perhaps in his case 1/2 scoop is enough for him due to

weight?

It's my theory that many of are seeing strong initial surges due to initial

chemical reactions in the body happening that didn't prior- however after that

you have I believe to give time for other changes to take place. Since most

things in life relate to other things -perhaps this is like when you go on a

diet and drop a number of pounds your first week but after that you more slowly

lose the rest of the weight -periodically appearing to hit plateaus...but when

you stick with it -you eventually hit your goal. Nobody expects it to be like

the movie Big where you go to bed little and wake up big even if you wish really

really hard for it. Some things take time but doesn't mean things aren't

happening in that time.

And we need to also look at 's brain scans which her doctor reports look

" beautiful normal " now and no explanation except nutriiveda is somehow healing

her brain. She had only been on nutriiveda for 3 months seizure free and her

doctor feels she will be off all seizure meds by later this year...so in fact

that is very rapid -but day to day to the Ketchums they may not notice what they

consider to be " dramatic " changes. It's pretty remarkable.

I believe we need to stick with the same dosage and not be impatient but instead

become more observant because the changes may be subtle but from what I have

seen over the past few months they continue.

This is not to say that at some point we can't raise dosages higher as I know a

few docs are doing just that -but if we all stop and look at how long each of us

has had our child on nutriiveda and how far they have come -it's mind blowing as

it's in so many areas. And it's STICKING!!! What I mean by that is that it's

not here today gone tomorrow as is typically par for the course in dealing with

our children.

I do believe the aspect of getting testing done will better help all of us in

the future as we continue to learn more about nutriiveda. It's elegantly simple

-and being I love the chocolate- it's a dream come true for me. Check the

archives I used to say " Why fish oil?? Why couldn't it have been chocolate?? "

Well if we want all the essential amino acids and essential fatty acids... it's

both

=====

[Guest guest]

WOW!

That's great!

Yvette A.

[ ] Re: NV and Detox

I wonder about dosage by weight instead of age also. I have my 3 year old, 26

lbs son on 1/2 a scoop, so 1/2 a dose for three weeks. I've seen some huge

increases, improved articulation, singing, dancing, increase in imaginative

play, noticing things when we are out, recognizing things that are the same,

sleeping through the night, potty training, learned to put on shoes and

underwear, playing better with others, talking about things that happened days

or weeks before. The last few days my super picky eater has only given a token

protest when I make him take a taste of a new food. Before this it was a huge

battle. The best was on my birthday a few days ago. We had gone to a birthday

party a few days earlier and the day before my birthday my husband and mom were

talking about our plans for my birthday. The next morning my son woke up and we

went to the bathroom. He was sitting on the potty and looked at me and said

" Happy Birthday Mommy! " I was shocked speechless! How did he know it was my

birthday? Later I asked my husband if he put my son up to that and he said no.

My little boy had overheard that tomorrow was my birthday, remembered his

friend's party, and told me happy birthday. Melts my heart every time I think

about it.

I have a 27 oz Klean Kanteen and drink four throughout the day to ensure

adequate water intake. My son has a 12 oz KK and he needs 1 1/2 to get enough

water. We just carry them with us everywhere.

http://www.kleankanteen.com/index.html

I prefer the stainless steel as the colored ones can chip if thrown or

dropped.

Liralen

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I do want to ask the group how long do the melt downs last? We're

going into the fourth week of over the top out of control behavior issues. So

we've seen great gains and are also experiencing great trials to our patience.

Liralen

>

> WOW!

> That's great!

>

> Yvette A.

>

> [ ] Re: NV and Detox

>

>

>

> I wonder about dosage by weight instead of age also. I have my 3 year old,

26 lbs son on 1/2 a scoop, so 1/2 a dose for three weeks. I've seen some huge

increases, improved articulation, singing, dancing, increase in imaginative

play, noticing things when we are out, recognizing things that are the same,

sleeping through the night, potty training, learned to put on shoes and

underwear, playing better with others, talking about things that happened days

or weeks before. The last few days my super picky eater has only given a token

protest when I make him take a taste of a new food. Before this it was a huge

battle. The best was on my birthday a few days ago. We had gone to a birthday

party a few days earlier and the day before my birthday my husband and mom were

talking about our plans for my birthday. The next morning my son woke up and we

went to the bathroom. He was sitting on the potty and looked at me and said

" Happy Birthday Mommy! " I was shocked speechless! How did he know it was my

birthday? Later I asked my husband if he put my son up to that and he said no.

My little boy had overheard that tomorrow was my birthday, remembered his

friend's party, and told me happy birthday. Melts my heart every time I think

about it.

>

> I have a 27 oz Klean Kanteen and drink four throughout the day to ensure

adequate water intake. My son has a 12 oz KK and he needs 1 1/2 to get enough

water. We just carry them with us everywhere.

> http://www.kleankanteen.com/index.html

> I prefer the stainless steel as the colored ones can chip if thrown or

dropped.

> Liralen

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You might want to consider cutting back on the dose & then taking him back up

slowly if you see loss of what has been gained.

HTH,

Yvette A.

[ ] Re: NV and Detox

>

>

>

> I wonder about dosage by weight instead of age also. I have my 3 year old,

26 lbs son on 1/2 a scoop, so 1/2 a dose for three weeks. I've seen some huge

increases, improved articulation, singing, dancing, increase in imaginative

play, noticing things when we are out, recognizing things that are the same,

sleeping through the night, potty training, learned to put on shoes and

underwear, playing better with others, talking about things that happened days

or weeks before. The last few days my super picky eater has only given a token

protest when I make him take a taste of a new food. Before this it was a huge

battle. The best was on my birthday a few days ago. We had gone to a birthday

party a few days earlier and the day before my birthday my husband and mom were

talking about our plans for my birthday. The next morning my son woke up and we

went to the bathroom. He was sitting on the potty and looked at me and said

" Happy Birthday Mommy! " I was shocked speechless! How did he know it was my

birthday? Later I asked my husband if he put my son up to that and he said no.

My little boy had overheard that tomorrow was my birthday, remembered his

friend's party, and told me happy birthday. Melts my heart every time I think

about it.

>

> I have a 27 oz Klean Kanteen and drink four throughout the day to ensure

adequate water intake. My son has a 12 oz KK and he needs 1 1/2 to get enough

water. We just carry them with us everywhere.

> http://www.kleankanteen.com/index.html

> I prefer the stainless steel as the colored ones can chip if thrown or

dropped.

> Liralen

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A week or so ago I took him off for two days. He continued to melt down and

became much harder to understand on top of it. He stopped sleeping through the

night as well. I have considered cutting back, he's already only on 1/2 a scoop,

half dose for his age. That is 3 tsp, so maybe 2 1/2 or 2 tsp?

>

> You might want to consider cutting back on the dose & then taking him back up

slowly if you see loss of what has been gained.

> HTH,

> Yvette A.

>

[Guest guest]

I would try it.

for at least a week. The behavior has been related to detox.

Fingers crossed.

Yvette A.

[ ] Re: NV and Detox

A week or so ago I took him off for two days. He continued to melt down and

became much harder to understand on top of it. He stopped sleeping through the

night as well. I have considered cutting back, he's already only on 1/2 a scoop,

half dose for his age. That is 3 tsp, so maybe 2 1/2 or 2 tsp?

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> You might want to consider cutting back on the dose & then taking him back

up slowly if you see loss of what has been gained.

> HTH,

> Yvette A.

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[Guest guest]

Liralen and I have spoken about this -as her child is the only one I know of

thus far who is even having surges on such a low dosage (1/2 scoop a day) and

the rest of the reports coming in so far have reported no change on half dosage

and even dramatic regression when dosage is cut in half. Also keeping in mind

that in this case a full dosage is one scoop- that's quite a conservative dosage

regardless.

So being that the full dosage was never tried for Liralen's son I would love to

know from her child's doctor if instead of decreasing from a 1/2 a scoop to 1/4

a scoop which is almost nothing -let's call that a dusting of healthy protein

powder!! would it perhaps be more effective to try increasing from 1/2 scoop to

3/4 scoop and gradually increasing? Just like anything incorrect dosage can

lead to not seeing the full benefits. There are reports of breakdowns in

behavior for those who have children on nutriiveda when dosage is cut - are

you there? Her son's response is one that comes to mind ('s testimony is

here http://pursuitofresearch.org/testimonials.html)

Just another perspective.

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