3rd grade Math for a 4th grader!! Struggeling

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Hi can anyone PLEASE give me some easy hints on regrouping and carrying 3 and 4

digit numbers. My daughter doesnt know when to regroup.. for example: 782

-356

She wants to subtract the 6 - 2 to get 4 instead of taking a 1 from the 8 to

make the new number (12) and if she does remember to do this she forgets to make

the 8 a 7 so she will subtract 8-5 to get 3 instead (7-5 to get 2). very

FRUSTRATING night for us so if anyone has any suggestions for Apraxic child to

understand the rules of regrouping and carrying (adding), please help me before

tomorrow night! also carrying while adding (ie) 782 she will add the 2+6

right, but then when she +356

wants to add the 8+5 to get 12 she'll put the 2 and NOT carry the 1.. I want to

somehow make the rules of regrouping and adding more simplified for her but I

dont know how. I was always very good at math but couldn't teach it to save my

soul... very bad night I left frustrated and upset and my husband had to take

over, she was then mad and he tried to stay calm and was good for the most part

but he NEVER really got math eiter(hmmm!) so he tried but just ended up doing

most of it for her... PLEASE HELP!

Thank you... TLC

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exercises.

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> Hi can anyone PLEASE give me some easy hints on regrouping and carrying 3 and

4 digit numbers. My daughter doesnt know when to regroup.. for example: 782

> -356

> She wants to subtract the 6 - 2 to get 4 instead of taking a 1 from the 8 to

make the new number (12) and if she does remember to do this she forgets to make

the 8 a 7 so she will subtract 8-5 to get 3 instead (7-5 to get 2). very

FRUSTRATING night for us so if anyone has any suggestions for Apraxic child to

understand the rules of regrouping and carrying (adding), please help me before

tomorrow night! also carrying while adding (ie) 782 she will add the 2+6

right, but then when she +356

>

> wants to add the 8+5 to get 12 she'll put the 2 and NOT carry the 1.. I want

to somehow make the rules of regrouping and adding more simplified for her but I

dont know how. I was always very good at math but couldn't teach it to save my

soul... very bad night I left frustrated and upset and my husband had to take

over, she was then mad and he tried to stay calm and was good for the most part

but he NEVER really got math eiter(hmmm!) so he tried but just ended up doing

most of it for her... PLEASE HELP!

> Thank you... TLC

>

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I understand your frustration. I have a daughter who is now 11 with nonverbal

disorder and auditory processing disorder (APD) and with elementary school

homework in our household there was a lot of frustation and yelling because I

didn't understand her particular disorder at the time and didn't know how to

teach her. Two things you can try.

First, what helps my daughter is to break it down step by step. Too much

verbage overwhelms her because of her APD. I set up step by step processes

with my daughter as well as give her certain rules that are always applied and

that helps her. Make it clear you are subtracting and that you always subtract

the top number from the bottom. Box the top numbers one by one to show that is

who you are taking from. Also, try this: get marbles, beads, pennies to count

with and visually subtract the single digits. Hands on and visuals may help her.

Ask her " Can you take six marbles from 2? No, so I will need to borrow from my

next door neighbor but he can only give me 10 at a time. " Does she understand

place values? - because if she understands the logic that will help. Have 8

beads equaling 10 each - a different color preferably so she distinguishes

between 10s and 1s.

Secondly, I read this trick on a support website the other day for APD and

haven't had the chance to try it but the mom swore by it. Do one problem with

her and explain it slowly. Then tell her to watch you carefully and do 4-8 more

problems doing the exact same steps and rules but don't say anything. No words

are said, just have her watch you. As you do this, make sure you touch each

number and subtraction sign with the pencil so she can follow along.

I hope this helps or at least some of it. Good luck!!

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> Hi can anyone PLEASE give me some easy hints on regrouping and carrying 3 and

4 digit numbers. My daughter doesnt know when to regroup.. for example: 782

> -356

> She wants to subtract the 6 - 2 to get 4 instead of taking a 1 from the 8 to

make the new number (12) and if she does remember to do this she forgets to make

the 8 a 7 so she will subtract 8-5 to get 3 instead (7-5 to get 2). very

FRUSTRATING night for us so if anyone has any suggestions for Apraxic child to

understand the rules of regrouping and carrying (adding), please help me before

tomorrow night! also carrying while adding (ie) 782 she will add the 2+6

right, but then when she +356

>

> wants to add the 8+5 to get 12 she'll put the 2 and NOT carry the 1.. I want

to somehow make the rules of regrouping and adding more simplified for her but I

dont know how. I was always very good at math but couldn't teach it to save my

soul... very bad night I left frustrated and upset and my husband had to take

over, she was then mad and he tried to stay calm and was good for the most part

but he NEVER really got math eiter(hmmm!) so he tried but just ended up doing

most of it for her... PLEASE HELP!

> Thank you... TLC

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Not sure if this helps at all or not, but Im 16 and have Apraxia. I remember

learning about this in 3rd grade, and one thing my teacher taught the class was

the three B's. The B's stood for Bottom, Bigger, Borrow. I thought that the

three B rule made it easier and I still remember it and even use it today.

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> Hi can anyone PLEASE give me some easy hints on regrouping and carrying 3 and

4 digit numbers. My daughter doesnt know when to regroup.. for example: 782

> -356

> She wants to subtract the 6 - 2 to get 4 instead of taking a 1 from the 8 to

make the new number (12) and if she does remember to do this she forgets to make

the 8 a 7 so she will subtract 8-5 to get 3 instead (7-5 to get 2). very

FRUSTRATING night for us so if anyone has any suggestions for Apraxic child to

understand the rules of regrouping and carrying (adding), please help me before

tomorrow night! also carrying while adding (ie) 782 she will add the 2+6

right, but then when she +356

>

> wants to add the 8+5 to get 12 she'll put the 2 and NOT carry the 1.. I want

to somehow make the rules of regrouping and adding more simplified for her but I

dont know how. I was always very good at math but couldn't teach it to save my

soul... very bad night I left frustrated and upset and my husband had to take

over, she was then mad and he tried to stay calm and was good for the most part

but he NEVER really got math eiter(hmmm!) so he tried but just ended up doing

most of it for her... PLEASE HELP!

> Thank you... TLC

>

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We got an abicus for my 12yo son when he was about that age. They're great to

have around when trying to get them to visualize math concepts!

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> > Hi can anyone PLEASE give me some easy hints on regrouping and carrying 3

and 4 digit numbers. My daughter doesnt know when to regroup.. for example:

782

> > -356

> > She wants to subtract the 6 - 2 to get 4 instead of taking a 1 from the 8 to

make the new number (12) and if she does remember to do this she forgets to make

the 8 a 7 so she will subtract 8-5 to get 3 instead (7-5 to get 2). very

FRUSTRATING night for us so if anyone has any suggestions for Apraxic child to

understand the rules of regrouping and carrying (adding), please help me before

tomorrow night! also carrying while adding (ie) 782 she will add the 2+6

right, but then when she +356

> >

> > wants to add the 8+5 to get 12 she'll put the 2 and NOT carry the 1.. I want

to somehow make the rules of regrouping and adding more simplified for her but I

dont know how. I was always very good at math but couldn't teach it to save my

soul... very bad night I left frustrated and upset and my husband had to take

over, she was then mad and he tried to stay calm and was good for the most part

but he NEVER really got math eiter(hmmm!) so he tried but just ended up doing

most of it for her... PLEASE HELP!

> > Thank you... TLC

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@ suefinnes1, just learned about this from a friend TONIGHT!! at Taekwondo, her

daughter struggles too. I checked it out and it's really very good. Thanks!

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> > Hi can anyone PLEASE give me some easy hints on regrouping and carrying 3

and 4 digit numbers. My daughter doesnt know when to regroup.. for example:

782

> > -356

> > She wants to subtract the 6 - 2 to get 4 instead of taking a 1 from the 8 to

make the new number (12) and if she does remember to do this she forgets to make

the 8 a 7 so she will subtract 8-5 to get 3 instead (7-5 to get 2). very

FRUSTRATING night for us so if anyone has any suggestions for Apraxic child to

understand the rules of regrouping and carrying (adding), please help me before

tomorrow night! also carrying while adding (ie) 782 she will add the 2+6

right, but then when she +356

> >

> > wants to add the 8+5 to get 12 she'll put the 2 and NOT carry the 1.. I want

to somehow make the rules of regrouping and adding more simplified for her but I

dont know how. I was always very good at math but couldn't teach it to save my

soul... very bad night I left frustrated and upset and my husband had to take

over, she was then mad and he tried to stay calm and was good for the most part

but he NEVER really got math eiter(hmmm!) so he tried but just ended up doing

most of it for her... PLEASE HELP!

> > Thank you... TLC

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@gobcandvt, yes, my dd also has APD with Apraxia and sensory...I think you maybe

right because sometimes when Im talking to her (explaining) I feel like she is

looking at me like the " Charlie Brown's Elemantary Teacher " !! lol, I will try

this... Thanks

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> > Hi can anyone PLEASE give me some easy hints on regrouping and carrying 3

and 4 digit numbers. My daughter doesnt know when to regroup.. for example:

782

> > -356

> > She wants to subtract the 6 - 2 to get 4 instead of taking a 1 from the 8 to

make the new number (12) and if she does remember to do this she forgets to make

the 8 a 7 so she will subtract 8-5 to get 3 instead (7-5 to get 2). very

FRUSTRATING night for us so if anyone has any suggestions for Apraxic child to

understand the rules of regrouping and carrying (adding), please help me before

tomorrow night! also carrying while adding (ie) 782 she will add the 2+6

right, but then when she +356

> >

> > wants to add the 8+5 to get 12 she'll put the 2 and NOT carry the 1.. I want

to somehow make the rules of regrouping and adding more simplified for her but I

dont know how. I was always very good at math but couldn't teach it to save my

soul... very bad night I left frustrated and upset and my husband had to take

over, she was then mad and he tried to stay calm and was good for the most part

but he NEVER really got math eiter(hmmm!) so he tried but just ended up doing

most of it for her... PLEASE HELP!

> > Thank you... TLC

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@ mosense, The abicus sounds really good, I'll look on line, i'm not really

sure where to find one, so I'll start there... Thank you!!

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> > > Hi can anyone PLEASE give me some easy hints on regrouping and carrying 3

and 4 digit numbers. My daughter doesnt know when to regroup.. for example:

782

> > > -356

> > > She wants to subtract the 6 - 2 to get 4 instead of taking a 1 from the 8

to make the new number (12) and if she does remember to do this she forgets to

make the 8 a 7 so she will subtract 8-5 to get 3 instead (7-5 to get 2). very

FRUSTRATING night for us so if anyone has any suggestions for Apraxic child to

understand the rules of regrouping and carrying (adding), please help me before

tomorrow night! also carrying while adding (ie) 782 she will add the 2+6

right, but then when she +356

> > >

> > > wants to add the 8+5 to get 12 she'll put the 2 and NOT carry the 1.. I

want to somehow make the rules of regrouping and adding more simplified for her

but I dont know how. I was always very good at math but couldn't teach it to

save my soul... very bad night I left frustrated and upset and my husband had to

take over, she was then mad and he tried to stay calm and was good for the most

part but he NEVER really got math eiter(hmmm!) so he tried but just ended up

doing most of it for her... PLEASE HELP!

> > > Thank you... TLC

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@ Kari, Thanks I will use that idea as well.. Good Teacher!! Thank you again!

> >

> > Hi can anyone PLEASE give me some easy hints on regrouping and carrying 3

and 4 digit numbers. My daughter doesnt know when to regroup.. for example:

782

> > -356

> > She wants to subtract the 6 - 2 to get 4 instead of taking a 1 from the 8 to

make the new number (12) and if she does remember to do this she forgets to make

the 8 a 7 so she will subtract 8-5 to get 3 instead (7-5 to get 2). very

FRUSTRATING night for us so if anyone has any suggestions for Apraxic child to

understand the rules of regrouping and carrying (adding), please help me before

tomorrow night! also carrying while adding (ie) 782 she will add the 2+6

right, but then when she +356

> >

> > wants to add the 8+5 to get 12 she'll put the 2 and NOT carry the 1.. I want

to somehow make the rules of regrouping and adding more simplified for her but I

dont know how. I was always very good at math but couldn't teach it to save my

soul... very bad night I left frustrated and upset and my husband had to take

over, she was then mad and he tried to stay calm and was good for the most part

but he NEVER really got math eiter(hmmm!) so he tried but just ended up doing

most of it for her... PLEASE HELP!

> > Thank you... TLC

> >

>

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@ all the replied, you all have really good ideas and I will try and utilize

them all.. Thank you!!

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> Hi can anyone PLEASE give me some easy hints on regrouping and carrying 3 and

4 digit numbers. My daughter doesnt know when to regroup.. for example: 782

> -356

> She wants to subtract the 6 - 2 to get 4 instead of taking a 1 from the 8 to

make the new number (12) and if she does remember to do this she forgets to make

the 8 a 7 so she will subtract 8-5 to get 3 instead (7-5 to get 2). very

FRUSTRATING night for us so if anyone has any suggestions for Apraxic child to

understand the rules of regrouping and carrying (adding), please help me before

tomorrow night! also carrying while adding (ie) 782 she will add the 2+6

right, but then when she +356

>

> wants to add the 8+5 to get 12 she'll put the 2 and NOT carry the 1.. I want

to somehow make the rules of regrouping and adding more simplified for her but I

dont know how. I was always very good at math but couldn't teach it to save my

soul... very bad night I left frustrated and upset and my husband had to take

over, she was then mad and he tried to stay calm and was good for the most part

but he NEVER really got math eiter(hmmm!) so he tried but just ended up doing

most of it for her... PLEASE HELP!

> Thank you... TLC

>

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Hi, TLC!

Sorry for the late response. I've been out of town. Thanks for posting about

your daughter. I've learned some tricks myself from the other postings. I

completely forgot about the abacus!!! What a great visual.

I hope the suggestions from everyone have helped.

Abby

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> > > Hi can anyone PLEASE give me some easy hints on regrouping and carrying 3

and 4 digit numbers. My daughter doesnt know when to regroup.. for example:

782

> > > -356

> > > She wants to subtract the 6 - 2 to get 4 instead of taking a 1 from the 8

to make the new number (12) and if she does remember to do this she forgets to

make the 8 a 7 so she will subtract 8-5 to get 3 instead (7-5 to get 2). very

FRUSTRATING night for us so if anyone has any suggestions for Apraxic child to

understand the rules of regrouping and carrying (adding), please help me before

tomorrow night! also carrying while adding (ie) 782 she will add the 2+6

right, but then when she +356

> > >

> > > wants to add the 8+5 to get 12 she'll put the 2 and NOT carry the 1.. I

want to somehow make the rules of regrouping and adding more simplified for her

but I dont know how. I was always very good at math but couldn't teach it to

save my soul... very bad night I left frustrated and upset and my husband had to

take over, she was then mad and he tried to stay calm and was good for the most

part but he NEVER really got math eiter(hmmm!) so he tried but just ended up

doing most of it for her... PLEASE HELP!

> > > Thank you... TLC

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