RE: Re: chocolate better than vanilla?

[Guest guest]

Noah's been on the vanilla for almost 2 weeks and is doing well with it. It

seems odd that one flavor would produce better results, but that was what I was

wondering. They are pretty much the same ingredients except for the

vanilla/chocolate flavoring, correct? suggested I slowly switch to

chocolate after her findings. I'll do whatever to get him the best, but if

vanilla is just as good and he's taking it fine, I don't want to rock the boat.

He's taking 2 scoops/day (1 in am and 1 in afternoon).

thanks, marie

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From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 2:28:20 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: chocolate better than vanilla?

Hi Marie -I believe what meant (and Steph let me know if I'm wrong) is

that the jury is out on whether one flavor of NV is better than the other -not

on NV itself. Our group has over a thousand families now that have used it and

it's been over a year and we've had not just parental but professional updates

and reports of almost 100 percent success here and through the survey

http://pursuitofresearch.org/survey/

I just got an update today for example from one of our parents in India who's

used the vanilla for 8 days now (which I just shared) ..and in spite of all the

incredible positive changes- from reading these messages she's not sure if she

should switch to chocolate. There is no proof one works better -and again as I

say below -even a little bit makes a difference so if the child likes one more

than the other may consume more. It could be that simple? I would think by now

if flavor alone made a difference we'd hear from others. So far it's just the

one we have below -and speculation.

Here's the archive you are probably talking about:

Re: NV Update

Hi ! I went back and read the last message again as there were

suddenly quite a few words and even 2 word sentences 10 days ago. I have a few

thoughts on it and it may not be the vanilla isn't working as well. Just a few

thoughts.

Her history prior to the NV surge is that she's 5 years old, and correct me if

I'm wrong essentially nonverbal and used alternative means of communication. A

few consistent and many inconsistent sounds -no words?

You then started NV early February -were inconsistent serving it probably

because she's a picky eater/was able to detect even small traces of NV

miraculously as many of our kids seem to be able to do (!!) and you were only

getting in a scoop which would be a half dosage -and we know she may not have

even consumed the entire scoop.

Then because you are officially our super creative NV chef here for real!!

(LOVE the new NV s'mores -that is crazy awesome!!!) you figured out some ways to

get her to eat the 2 scoops a day. So prior to that -February was a wash

because you only got in half dosage -ran out of product, inconsistent in serving

it etc.

We have found in almost all of our children NV is highly dosage dependent even a

1/2 scoop can mean the difference of it working or not....and when raised even a

half scoop can mean the difference between surges and OMG surges. Probably this

is due to the individual's needs of some nutrient or nutrient that is easily

digestible in NV and was lacking or unable to be utilized prior as I cover here

http://pursuitofresearch.org/getting-started/ So to translate and keep it simple

-she just wasn't getting enough NV..and just perhaps didn't get enough of the

vanilla in this past week?

But back to prior to the remarkable surge...

So while February was a wash for the reasons above- you get more NV in after

running out on March 16th. You figure out with your creative ways to get your

daughter onto a schedule of 2 scoops a day...and 10 days later (Mar 26, 2011)

you shared an amazing update with the subject " My daughter is starting to

approximate words! " and put a list of not just words but even sentences she

attempted. Will put that below because there's something else in it of interest.

You also mentioned breath control...and I sent you back a HUGE archive on this.

If she is 5 and was essentially nonverbal outside of a few sounds up to that

point -as I wrote in the archive her breathing issue can be a problem that needs

to be addressed as well. Tanner used to say his " breath hurt " when he first

started reading out loud long sentences from books, and as I wrote a doctor

friend had to have throat surgery and when I ran into him at a restaurant he

clearly was having trouble speaking -this was months after the surgery. He did

have to relearn how to talk and I noticed his breath when he did speak- so I

told him what Tanner said that his " breath hurts " and this man -this medical

doctor who runs a large practice here in Florida -his eyes lit up and got really

wide like he's shocked and I'm serious it's like I hit a nail on the head and he

said " yes he's right my breath does hurt " as well as he could.

Thing is it's only been about a week since you posted your message and you did

write she was attempting to say more. I don't think you should ask her -but

somehow see if you can find out if her breath is hurting her too when she talks.

Because honestly -to go from where she was (and I'll put the archive below but

take out the breath archive as it was so huge) to not speaking at all...yes

could be she wasn't getting as much of something in the vanilla, maybe she ate

or drank more with the chocolate???

Chocolate and vanilla NV have all the exact same food ingredients other than the

chocolate has cayenne pepper and the vanilla has cinnamon. Even the vanilla NV

has cocoa in it if you check the ingredients here

http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nutriiveda-ingredients/

So far other than your message the only other message was from a back in

January 2011 -and even though she asks it and since then this question has come

up a few more times -it hasn't been answered so honestly we don't know. Also

did have improvements with vanilla as you'll read -but the difference was

moderate vs " HUGE " surges with chocolate. Is it also possible the child likes

the chocolate more and consumes more?

Keep in mind when I ask this question there's even a difference again with 1/2

scoop -so again is it possible she was getting more of a heaping scoop of

chocolate and less than that of vanilla as she's a picky eater? I mean if she

doesn't finish her s'mores and dad and brother do, did she get her full serving?

Do you make extra to make up for what she didn't consume?

~~~~only message from the archives about flavor-result difference;

" " <lisad529@...>

Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:42 PM

Subject: [ ] differences between NV -- chocolate vs.vanilla?

We were using the vanilla and then decided to use the chocolate and we are

seeing HUGE surges within days... we had a bunch of improvements with the

vanilla but WHOA! Has anyone seen any differences between the flavors with

RESULTS?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Your message regarding the surge

My daughter is starting to approximate words!

S Buckwalter

Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:12 pm

We've been off and on NV since early February. We ran out of product once,

and were only on 1 scoop a day until we got more on the 16th of this month.

She is 5 years old and was completely nonverbal--no consistent words, no

initiation of words, some individual phonogram sounds, mostly sign language

if she wanted something. On Wednesday, I thought I heard some

approximations, but I wasn't sure. On Thursday, she had a lot of word

approximations, and some clearer. Her list for that day included:

iPad - sounded out by letter--she got all four sounds in, but it took about

20-30 seconds each time

upstairs backwards - she got all 4 vowel sounds

basketball Daddy - When Dad got home from work, she gave me the sign for

outside, then stood by the door and said what sounded like basketball and

Daddy. When I asked if that's what she said, she gave me her happy dance.

thank you - At dinner, she gave the sign for thank you and said the two

words fairly distinctly under her hand.

various flashcard words - I had recently downloaded a flashcard app on her

iPad where you have to rub your finger across the screen to reveal the

picture beneath. When it is revealed, the word appears and a voice says the

word. She was doing that and trying to say the word each time.

We were so excited! Of course, that was the day we say the OT and she was

impressed, so I couldn't wait to get to speech on Friday. Wouldn't you know

it was an off day and my daughter had decided to make almost every syllable

the H sound. LOL But the speech therapist still could hear many more sounds

and much more sound production.

My daughter holds her breath a lot as she tries to speak. Today she is

constantly trying to talk, and in very long sentences. I am encouraging her

to do that so she can work on building up her breathing. I have noticed that

on some words she stutters, but the final sounds are the word she is trying

for. I also notice that some words she speaks in syllables, others she

sounds out by phonogram. That might be because a couple of my boys are still

learning to read and she hears us sounding out words all the time.

It's so nice to hear her thoughts after all this time. Saying she wanted to

play basketball with her dad was a great first!

Buckwalter

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end of archive

you are the perfect person to document this. Please let me know if

you think the answer is flavor, dosage, or breath control. Any one of them is

possible. But I find it highly unlikely that it's that NV worked for a magical

few days and then stopped -there has to be a reason and as it's only been

(coincidentally) 10 days since your last update....I'd say your history shows 10

days from now we should know the answer from you!!! I can't remember -did you

say you were video taping to do something like what Gretchen did for

http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/22/apraxia-road-to-recovery-before-and-afte\

\

r-videos/ ??? Let me know!

=====

[Guest guest]

You know, , I wasn't paying close enough attention to what all was going

on. It could be that when we finally got up to 2 scoops, all we had left was

chocolate and that's simply when it happened. We are on vanilla now so I'm

waiting to see if anything is different when the chocolate comes in. She

doesn't have more or less NV because she likes it since I control her intake

and usually with sit with her while she eats it to make sure she gets it all

in. The day Dad and son got a hold of it was an exception. It was close to

dinner so I set it up on the cabinet and when they walked through after

dinner, they grabbed the 3 little pieces that were left. (I fussed at them

so I don't think they'll do that again! :-)

I do want to say that those days of increased speech were definitely related

to NV. The jury is out on the flavors theory, not on NV itself. I had seen

immediate surges in both of my kids on it, but when my 5 yo got to 2 scoops,

that's when she really started to take off.

By the way, I'm not really a chef. I'm just a desperate mom. :-)

[Guest guest]

How long does 1 container last?

>

> Hi Marie -I believe what meant (and Steph let me know if I'm wrong)

is that the jury is out on whether one flavor of NV is better than the other

-not on NV itself. Our group has over a thousand families now that have used it

and it's been over a year and we've had not just parental but professional

updates and reports of almost 100 percent success here and through the survey

http://pursuitofresearch.org/survey/

>

> I just got an update today for example from one of our parents in India who's

used the vanilla for 8 days now (which I just shared) ..and in spite of all the

incredible positive changes- from reading these messages she's not sure if she

should switch to chocolate. There is no proof one works better -and again as I

say below -even a little bit makes a difference so if the child likes one more

than the other may consume more. It could be that simple? I would think by now

if flavor alone made a difference we'd hear from others. So far it's just the

one we have below -and speculation.

>

> Here's the archive you are probably talking about:

>

> Re: NV Update

>

> Hi ! I went back and read the last message again as there were

> suddenly quite a few words and even 2 word sentences 10 days ago. I have a few

> thoughts on it and it may not be the vanilla isn't working as well. Just a few

> thoughts.

>

> Her history prior to the NV surge is that she's 5 years old, and correct me if

> I'm wrong essentially nonverbal and used alternative means of communication. A

> few consistent and many inconsistent sounds -no words?

>

> You then started NV early February -were inconsistent serving it probably

> because she's a picky eater/was able to detect even small traces of NV

> miraculously as many of our kids seem to be able to do (!!) and you were only

> getting in a scoop which would be a half dosage -and we know she may not have

> even consumed the entire scoop.

>

> Then because you are officially our super creative NV chef here for real!!

> (LOVE the new NV s'mores -that is crazy awesome!!!) you figured out some ways

to

> get her to eat the 2 scoops a day. So prior to that -February was a wash

> because you only got in half dosage -ran out of product, inconsistent in

serving

> it etc.

>

> We have found in almost all of our children NV is highly dosage dependent even

a

> 1/2 scoop can mean the difference of it working or not....and when raised even

a

> half scoop can mean the difference between surges and OMG surges. Probably

this

> is due to the individual's needs of some nutrient or nutrient that is easily

> digestible in NV and was lacking or unable to be utilized prior as I cover

here

> http://pursuitofresearch.org/getting-started/ So to translate and keep it

simple

> -she just wasn't getting enough NV..and just perhaps didn't get enough of the

> vanilla in this past week?

>

> But back to prior to the remarkable surge...

>

> So while February was a wash for the reasons above- you get more NV in after

> running out on March 16th. You figure out with your creative ways to get your

> daughter onto a schedule of 2 scoops a day...and 10 days later (Mar 26, 2011)

> you shared an amazing update with the subject " My daughter is starting to

> approximate words! " and put a list of not just words but even sentences she

> attempted. Will put that below because there's something else in it of

interest.

>

> You also mentioned breath control...and I sent you back a HUGE archive on

this.

> If she is 5 and was essentially nonverbal outside of a few sounds up to that

> point -as I wrote in the archive her breathing issue can be a problem that

needs

> to be addressed as well. Tanner used to say his " breath hurt " when he first

> started reading out loud long sentences from books, and as I wrote a doctor

> friend had to have throat surgery and when I ran into him at a restaurant he

> clearly was having trouble speaking -this was months after the surgery. He did

> have to relearn how to talk and I noticed his breath when he did speak- so I

> told him what Tanner said that his " breath hurts " and this man -this medical

> doctor who runs a large practice here in Florida -his eyes lit up and got

really

> wide like he's shocked and I'm serious it's like I hit a nail on the head and

he

> said " yes he's right my breath does hurt " as well as he could.

>

> Thing is it's only been about a week since you posted your message and you did

> write she was attempting to say more. I don't think you should ask her -but

> somehow see if you can find out if her breath is hurting her too when she

talks.

> Because honestly -to go from where she was (and I'll put the archive below but

> take out the breath archive as it was so huge) to not speaking at all...yes

> could be she wasn't getting as much of something in the vanilla, maybe she ate

> or drank more with the chocolate???

>

> Chocolate and vanilla NV have all the exact same food ingredients other than

the

> chocolate has cayenne pepper and the vanilla has cinnamon. Even the vanilla NV

> has cocoa in it if you check the ingredients here

> http://pursuitofresearch.org/products/nutriiveda/nutriiveda-ingredients/

>

> So far other than your message the only other message was from a back in

> January 2011 -and even though she asks it and since then this question has

come

> up a few more times -it hasn't been answered so honestly we don't know. Also

> did have improvements with vanilla as you'll read -but the difference was

> moderate vs " HUGE " surges with chocolate. Is it also possible the child likes

> the chocolate more and consumes more?

>

> Keep in mind when I ask this question there's even a difference again with 1/2

> scoop -so again is it possible she was getting more of a heaping scoop of

> chocolate and less than that of vanilla as she's a picky eater? I mean if she

> doesn't finish her s'mores and dad and brother do, did she get her full

serving?

> Do you make extra to make up for what she didn't consume?

>

> ~~~~only message from the archives about flavor-result difference;

>

> " " <lisad529@>

> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:42 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] differences between NV -- chocolate vs.vanilla?

>

> We were using the vanilla and then decided to use the chocolate and we are

> seeing HUGE surges within days... we had a bunch of improvements with the

> vanilla but WHOA! Has anyone seen any differences between the flavors with

> RESULTS?

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Your message regarding the surge

>

> My daughter is starting to approximate words!

> S Buckwalter

> Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:12 pm

>

> We've been off and on NV since early February. We ran out of product once,

> and were only on 1 scoop a day until we got more on the 16th of this month.

> She is 5 years old and was completely nonverbal--no consistent words, no

> initiation of words, some individual phonogram sounds, mostly sign language

> if she wanted something. On Wednesday, I thought I heard some

> approximations, but I wasn't sure. On Thursday, she had a lot of word

> approximations, and some clearer. Her list for that day included:

>

> iPad - sounded out by letter--she got all four sounds in, but it took about

> 20-30 seconds each time

> upstairs backwards - she got all 4 vowel sounds

> basketball Daddy - When Dad got home from work, she gave me the sign for

> outside, then stood by the door and said what sounded like basketball and

> Daddy. When I asked if that's what she said, she gave me her happy dance.

> thank you - At dinner, she gave the sign for thank you and said the two

> words fairly distinctly under her hand.

> various flashcard words - I had recently downloaded a flashcard app on her

> iPad where you have to rub your finger across the screen to reveal the

> picture beneath. When it is revealed, the word appears and a voice says the

> word. She was doing that and trying to say the word each time.

>

> We were so excited! Of course, that was the day we say the OT and she was

> impressed, so I couldn't wait to get to speech on Friday. Wouldn't you know

> it was an off day and my daughter had decided to make almost every syllable

> the H sound. LOL But the speech therapist still could hear many more sounds

> and much more sound production.

>

> My daughter holds her breath a lot as she tries to speak. Today she is

> constantly trying to talk, and in very long sentences. I am encouraging her

> to do that so she can work on building up her breathing. I have noticed that

> on some words she stutters, but the final sounds are the word she is trying

> for. I also notice that some words she speaks in syllables, others she

> sounds out by phonogram. That might be because a couple of my boys are still

> learning to read and she hears us sounding out words all the time.

>

> It's so nice to hear her thoughts after all this time. Saying she wanted to

> play basketball with her dad was a great first!

>

> Buckwalter

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end of archive

>

> you are the perfect person to document this. Please let me know if

> you think the answer is flavor, dosage, or breath control. Any one of them is

> possible. But I find it highly unlikely that it's that NV worked for a magical

> few days and then stopped -there has to be a reason and as it's only been

> (coincidentally) 10 days since your last update....I'd say your history shows

10

> days from now we should know the answer from you!!! I can't remember -did you

> say you were video taping to do something like what Gretchen did for

>

http://pursuitofresearch.org/2010/11/22/apraxia-road-to-recovery-before-and-afte\

\

> r-videos/ ??? Let me know!

>

>

> =====

>