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I agree with Ronnie's eloquent thoughts about the pieces that need to be in

place for reading comp. We've used mood Bell's V & V curriculum and have

found it very helpful though a bit limited. McGraw Hill has several curriculum

books that tackle specific higher-order thinking skills like inferencing,

cause and effect, main idea, etc. We've used several of those and have found

them

helpful as well.

The three things that have helped the most so far (still working heavily on

this area) are activities involving written directions where we'd write out a

series of directions in paragraph form (started with one sentence early on and

built) for him to do. My son was one of those kids who learned to decode on

his own very early -- before he started talking -- but didn't really understand

that words put together have meaning. Written directions helped him

understand this better and be able to take in, remember and process the info.

Also,

playing the " reporter game " where we'd list the who/what/where/when/why/how

questions and take turns answering them and then putting the info together in

story form. This was a backwards way of showing him how stories had meaning.

Finally, we've spent lots of time taking turns reading together and stopping

often to discuss what we're reading. Now, he's at the point where we can

discuss

some heavily conceptual stuff so I try to create opportunities for him to

inference, talk about how people are feeling, why things happened, how it

applies

to his life, etc. This seems to be helping quite a bit in his overall

understanding of what he's read and of what he's experiencing in everyday life.

Gaylen

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I agree with Ronnie's eloquent thoughts about the pieces that need to be in

place for reading comp. We've used mood Bell's V & V curriculum and have

found it very helpful though a bit limited. McGraw Hill has several curriculum

books that tackle specific higher-order thinking skills like inferencing,

cause and effect, main idea, etc. We've used several of those and have found

them

helpful as well.

The three things that have helped the most so far (still working heavily on

this area) are activities involving written directions where we'd write out a

series of directions in paragraph form (started with one sentence early on and

built) for him to do. My son was one of those kids who learned to decode on

his own very early -- before he started talking -- but didn't really understand

that words put together have meaning. Written directions helped him

understand this better and be able to take in, remember and process the info.

Also,

playing the " reporter game " where we'd list the who/what/where/when/why/how

questions and take turns answering them and then putting the info together in

story form. This was a backwards way of showing him how stories had meaning.

Finally, we've spent lots of time taking turns reading together and stopping

often to discuss what we're reading. Now, he's at the point where we can

discuss

some heavily conceptual stuff so I try to create opportunities for him to

inference, talk about how people are feeling, why things happened, how it

applies

to his life, etc. This seems to be helping quite a bit in his overall

understanding of what he's read and of what he's experiencing in everyday life.

Gaylen

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thanks ronnie. that was very insightful.

In Autism Treatment , " Ronnie Schleiss "

<dschleiss@a...> wrote:

> The Edmark series is a sight word approach to reading and I would

not

> recommend it except for the most involved kids or if you have a very

> bright, very young child you might use Edmark to get a jump start on

> sight word vocabulary. The level of reading comprehension addressed

> through Edmark is the concrete level - not the type of reading comp

our

> kids tend to have problems with. ASD reading comp difficulties tend

to

> come from the issues with abstraction.

>

> Often kids with autism have problems with reading comprehension

because

> of language and social related issues. If you go to the

> www.wrightslaw.com site you will find articles on reading and links

to

> some excellent materials related to reading. Reading is decoding and

> comprehension.

>

> If you develop language skills that focus on problem solving,

inference

> and perspective taking then reading comprehension will also come

along.

> Reading comprehension is taught by reading simple passages or even

> sentences and asking the who, what, when , where, how, and lastly,

why

> questions. However, if a child cannot answer these questions from

> experiential situations, they most likely will not be able to answer

> them after reading some text. So, these things need to be worked on.

>

> At a higher level, many ASD kids have problems with reading comp

because

> they cannot perspective take, infer, or predict. For instance, the

story

> is about a cat looking at a mouse and smiling. The ASD kid might

say the

> cat is smiling because " he is happy " . The typical kid might infer

the

> cat is smiling because he is thinking about eating the mouse. See

the

> difference, and see how the autism spectrum issues kick in? The ASD

kid

> may entirely miss the story line because he is not applying

knowledge of

> the relationship between cats and mice and he is not able to think

what

> someone else might think. So, when they get to a level and study

Nazi

> Germany, they can tell you the Nazi's were bad, but can not

understand

> how the Nazi's impacted people's lives, how folks lived in fear,

etc.

> So, when they read they may only come away with the clearly stated

facts

> ( dates, #'s, places) but miss the real issues - how the Nazi's

impacted

> people, and how people are still dealing with something that

happened

> over 50 years ago.

>

> If you are into curriculums vs techniques you might want to look at

the

> Mood Bell Visualizing and Verbalizing materials. They claim to

> have good success with ASD kids with reading comp issues.

>

> You also might look at www.socialthinking.com for materials related

to

> teaching perspective taking, inference, problem solving, and

> abstraction.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Ronnie

>

> reading comprehension

>

> HI,

>

> What kind of material have you used for reading with comprehension.

> Some one suggested edmark series. Has anybody used it.

> thanks

> Bharathi

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thanks ronnie. that was very insightful.

In Autism Treatment , " Ronnie Schleiss "

<dschleiss@a...> wrote:

> The Edmark series is a sight word approach to reading and I would

not

> recommend it except for the most involved kids or if you have a very

> bright, very young child you might use Edmark to get a jump start on

> sight word vocabulary. The level of reading comprehension addressed

> through Edmark is the concrete level - not the type of reading comp

our

> kids tend to have problems with. ASD reading comp difficulties tend

to

> come from the issues with abstraction.

>

> Often kids with autism have problems with reading comprehension

because

> of language and social related issues. If you go to the

> www.wrightslaw.com site you will find articles on reading and links

to

> some excellent materials related to reading. Reading is decoding and

> comprehension.

>

> If you develop language skills that focus on problem solving,

inference

> and perspective taking then reading comprehension will also come

along.

> Reading comprehension is taught by reading simple passages or even

> sentences and asking the who, what, when , where, how, and lastly,

why

> questions. However, if a child cannot answer these questions from

> experiential situations, they most likely will not be able to answer

> them after reading some text. So, these things need to be worked on.

>

> At a higher level, many ASD kids have problems with reading comp

because

> they cannot perspective take, infer, or predict. For instance, the

story

> is about a cat looking at a mouse and smiling. The ASD kid might

say the

> cat is smiling because " he is happy " . The typical kid might infer

the

> cat is smiling because he is thinking about eating the mouse. See

the

> difference, and see how the autism spectrum issues kick in? The ASD

kid

> may entirely miss the story line because he is not applying

knowledge of

> the relationship between cats and mice and he is not able to think

what

> someone else might think. So, when they get to a level and study

Nazi

> Germany, they can tell you the Nazi's were bad, but can not

understand

> how the Nazi's impacted people's lives, how folks lived in fear,

etc.

> So, when they read they may only come away with the clearly stated

facts

> ( dates, #'s, places) but miss the real issues - how the Nazi's

impacted

> people, and how people are still dealing with something that

happened

> over 50 years ago.

>

> If you are into curriculums vs techniques you might want to look at

the

> Mood Bell Visualizing and Verbalizing materials. They claim to

> have good success with ASD kids with reading comp issues.

>

> You also might look at www.socialthinking.com for materials related

to

> teaching perspective taking, inference, problem solving, and

> abstraction.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Ronnie

>

> reading comprehension

>

> HI,

>

> What kind of material have you used for reading with comprehension.

> Some one suggested edmark series. Has anybody used it.

> thanks

> Bharathi

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Hi,

practice reading at home, on each page, ask questions about what happened/may happen(makes them think of what could occur:)etc. Use picture books with simple stories. Asking questions and then elaborating on the child's answer helps them to comprehend the language, sentence structure, etc.

(he said, the character is cold...you ask why he was cold...can he tell because it is snowing? Is it because in the story he lost his coat? Reading short pieces, then asking questions and discussing the answers and expounding on them helps a lot...it helps my son. Take care, Sally

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It also helps to talk about stories having a beginning, middle and end. Point out clues from the pictures(snow on the ground means it is cold:) Try using cards that show sequence to teach him, beginning middle, and end. For instance, a train going in a tunnel, the tunnel, the train coming out the other side...someone with dry hair, a bucket of water spilling on them, their wet hair, whatever. Some slp catalogs and difflearn.com carry things that might help. Good luck, Sally(if the child can write having them write answers reinforces what they learn too:)

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Chelly:

You can:

Get advance notice of what he's doing in each subject so you can prompt him;

Get advance notice of books they read, etc., so you can read it yourself and prompt him on specifics;

Get home/school communication going on a daily basis, and have school give you items to prompt him on.

In this communication, send them things to prompt him on as well.

My daughter has a severe language disability on top of having autism, and this is what we did for her in elementary school. Now she goes on (sometimes ad nauseum!) about what she's doing in school. It's wonderful to see this growth. The above items are how we did it.

Missy

-----Original Message-----From: autismindc1@... [mailto:autismindc1@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: Reading ComprehensionWhen my 9 year old son comes home from school I question him about his school day to help expand his expressive language. He can tell me the name of the story he has read/heard but does not tell me details. How can I get him to elaborate. One day he did tell me the character was cold.Chelly

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I'm way behind...obviously.

Here is some good Reading Comprehension information. It's called "Has difficulty comprehending what he/she reads". I got it from a website, but for the life of me can not remember which one. I apologize and give credit to where credit is due.

Anyhow, I've uploaded it to my own server and hope it helps.

Penny

http://www.pccs-nh.com/Autism/readingcomp1.html

http://www.pccs-nh.com/Autism/readingcomp2.html

-----Original Message-----From: autismindc1@... [mailto:autismindc1@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: Reading ComprehensionWhen my 9 year old son comes home from school I question him about his school day to help expand his expressive language. He can tell me the name of the story he has read/heard but does not tell me details. How can I get him to elaborate. One day he did tell me the character was cold.Chelly

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We took our dd to a tutoring group [Huntington Learning Center] when she was

struggling really badly with reading comprehension. They did an extremely

thorough evaluation, and created a detailed plan that had our daughter reading

on grade level in 6 months (three 90 minute visits per week). It's not

cheap, but they absolutely do get results.

After her evaluation testing, there was a meeting to learn the results and

their plan for our dd. One of the things the director told us at the meeting

still stays in my mind, and may be a bit of comfort. The director explained

that reading comprehension is the last skill to come online of all the

reading skills and is the hardest to learn. Children are so absorbed in the

mechanics of decoding words, sounding out, just getting the words out, that

they

don't have the ability to comprehend at the same time.

Does your daughter comprehend what you read somewhat, but not what she

reads? It may be that she has time to think about the story when you read it,

but

not when she does because she's so busy with the mechanics.

Do keep on plugging away at it, my dd is now 13 and has read and loves all

of the Harry Potter books, the entire Twilight series, etc. However badly

they are struggling when young, kids can make amazing strides with the right

help. One philosophy that helped a lot was our rule that there is no " bad "

reading. If comic books help, then buy gobs for her [Half Price Books has

Richie

Rich, Disney, and Archie comics cheap]. Books of collected comics such as

Foxtrot or other kid centered series are easy to find too. They have a

built-in incentive to read more, and the pictures help with comprehension.

Magazines like Girl's Life can help too. Good luck, and don't be discouraged

she

has plenty of time to learn yet!

Sandi

In a message dated 3/4/2009 11:12:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,

laj6230@... writes:

Greetings,

I am realatively new to the group my DD is 6 and in K. We are working on her

reading comprehension and in general her understanding of What, Who, Where

type questions. She is already reading but has no concept of what occured in

the story. They are just words. And when you ask what she did at school, even

with prompts, she just doesn't want to discuss it. She says " I don't know,

it doesn't matter " . This is her main area of focus right now as other areas

are progressing well.

She is high functioning so I feel we fall through the cracks some times in

finding appropriate reasources to help her make progress. Any ideas or

suggestions on programs or places to find help is appreciated. We live in

central MA

but I am willing to travel to Boston if needed.

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We took our dd to a tutoring group [Huntington Learning Center] when she was

struggling really badly with reading comprehension. They did an extremely

thorough evaluation, and created a detailed plan that had our daughter reading

on grade level in 6 months (three 90 minute visits per week). It's not

cheap, but they absolutely do get results.

After her evaluation testing, there was a meeting to learn the results and

their plan for our dd. One of the things the director told us at the meeting

still stays in my mind, and may be a bit of comfort. The director explained

that reading comprehension is the last skill to come online of all the

reading skills and is the hardest to learn. Children are so absorbed in the

mechanics of decoding words, sounding out, just getting the words out, that

they

don't have the ability to comprehend at the same time.

Does your daughter comprehend what you read somewhat, but not what she

reads? It may be that she has time to think about the story when you read it,

but

not when she does because she's so busy with the mechanics.

Do keep on plugging away at it, my dd is now 13 and has read and loves all

of the Harry Potter books, the entire Twilight series, etc. However badly

they are struggling when young, kids can make amazing strides with the right

help. One philosophy that helped a lot was our rule that there is no " bad "

reading. If comic books help, then buy gobs for her [Half Price Books has

Richie

Rich, Disney, and Archie comics cheap]. Books of collected comics such as

Foxtrot or other kid centered series are easy to find too. They have a

built-in incentive to read more, and the pictures help with comprehension.

Magazines like Girl's Life can help too. Good luck, and don't be discouraged

she

has plenty of time to learn yet!

Sandi

In a message dated 3/4/2009 11:12:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,

laj6230@... writes:

Greetings,

I am realatively new to the group my DD is 6 and in K. We are working on her

reading comprehension and in general her understanding of What, Who, Where

type questions. She is already reading but has no concept of what occured in

the story. They are just words. And when you ask what she did at school, even

with prompts, she just doesn't want to discuss it. She says " I don't know,

it doesn't matter " . This is her main area of focus right now as other areas

are progressing well.

She is high functioning so I feel we fall through the cracks some times in

finding appropriate reasources to help her make progress. Any ideas or

suggestions on programs or places to find help is appreciated. We live in

central MA

but I am willing to travel to Boston if needed.

**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy

steps!

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We took our dd to a tutoring group [Huntington Learning Center] when she was

struggling really badly with reading comprehension. They did an extremely

thorough evaluation, and created a detailed plan that had our daughter reading

on grade level in 6 months (three 90 minute visits per week). It's not

cheap, but they absolutely do get results.

After her evaluation testing, there was a meeting to learn the results and

their plan for our dd. One of the things the director told us at the meeting

still stays in my mind, and may be a bit of comfort. The director explained

that reading comprehension is the last skill to come online of all the

reading skills and is the hardest to learn. Children are so absorbed in the

mechanics of decoding words, sounding out, just getting the words out, that

they

don't have the ability to comprehend at the same time.

Does your daughter comprehend what you read somewhat, but not what she

reads? It may be that she has time to think about the story when you read it,

but

not when she does because she's so busy with the mechanics.

Do keep on plugging away at it, my dd is now 13 and has read and loves all

of the Harry Potter books, the entire Twilight series, etc. However badly

they are struggling when young, kids can make amazing strides with the right

help. One philosophy that helped a lot was our rule that there is no " bad "

reading. If comic books help, then buy gobs for her [Half Price Books has

Richie

Rich, Disney, and Archie comics cheap]. Books of collected comics such as

Foxtrot or other kid centered series are easy to find too. They have a

built-in incentive to read more, and the pictures help with comprehension.

Magazines like Girl's Life can help too. Good luck, and don't be discouraged

she

has plenty of time to learn yet!

Sandi

In a message dated 3/4/2009 11:12:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,

laj6230@... writes:

Greetings,

I am realatively new to the group my DD is 6 and in K. We are working on her

reading comprehension and in general her understanding of What, Who, Where

type questions. She is already reading but has no concept of what occured in

the story. They are just words. And when you ask what she did at school, even

with prompts, she just doesn't want to discuss it. She says " I don't know,

it doesn't matter " . This is her main area of focus right now as other areas

are progressing well.

She is high functioning so I feel we fall through the cracks some times in

finding appropriate reasources to help her make progress. Any ideas or

suggestions on programs or places to find help is appreciated. We live in

central MA

but I am willing to travel to Boston if needed.

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A friend has found good success with mood Bell reading program. They took

their son to Atlanta, I think they may have centers other places, not sure. I

believe their focus for Chad, & they do an individualized analysis of what they

think will help the individual child, but with him I think they focused on

providing visual images and going slow with a few words each week. I'll try to

type more, I'm FREEZING in the comp room of my house at the moment.

Debi

>

> Greetings,

>

> I am realatively new to the group my DD is 6 and in K. We are working on her

reading comprehension and in general her understanding of What, Who, Where type

questions. She is already reading but has no concept of what occured in the

story. They are just words. And when you ask what she did at school, even with

prompts, she just doesn't want to discuss it. She says " I don't know, it

doesn't matter " . This is her main area of focus right now as other areas are

progressing well.

>

> She is high functioning so I feel we fall through the cracks some times in

finding appropriate reasources to help her make progress. Any ideas or

suggestions on programs or places to find help is appreciated. We live in

central MA but I am willing to travel to Boston if needed.

>

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A friend has found good success with mood Bell reading program. They took

their son to Atlanta, I think they may have centers other places, not sure. I

believe their focus for Chad, & they do an individualized analysis of what they

think will help the individual child, but with him I think they focused on

providing visual images and going slow with a few words each week. I'll try to

type more, I'm FREEZING in the comp room of my house at the moment.

Debi

>

> Greetings,

>

> I am realatively new to the group my DD is 6 and in K. We are working on her

reading comprehension and in general her understanding of What, Who, Where type

questions. She is already reading but has no concept of what occured in the

story. They are just words. And when you ask what she did at school, even with

prompts, she just doesn't want to discuss it. She says " I don't know, it

doesn't matter " . This is her main area of focus right now as other areas are

progressing well.

>

> She is high functioning so I feel we fall through the cracks some times in

finding appropriate reasources to help her make progress. Any ideas or

suggestions on programs or places to find help is appreciated. We live in

central MA but I am willing to travel to Boston if needed.

>

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A friend has found good success with mood Bell reading program. They took

their son to Atlanta, I think they may have centers other places, not sure. I

believe their focus for Chad, & they do an individualized analysis of what they

think will help the individual child, but with him I think they focused on

providing visual images and going slow with a few words each week. I'll try to

type more, I'm FREEZING in the comp room of my house at the moment.

Debi

>

> Greetings,

>

> I am realatively new to the group my DD is 6 and in K. We are working on her

reading comprehension and in general her understanding of What, Who, Where type

questions. She is already reading but has no concept of what occured in the

story. They are just words. And when you ask what she did at school, even with

prompts, she just doesn't want to discuss it. She says " I don't know, it

doesn't matter " . This is her main area of focus right now as other areas are

progressing well.

>

> She is high functioning so I feel we fall through the cracks some times in

finding appropriate reasources to help her make progress. Any ideas or

suggestions on programs or places to find help is appreciated. We live in

central MA but I am willing to travel to Boston if needed.

>

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Go to www.notnewtoautism.blogspot.com

<http://www.notnewtoautism.blogspot.com> and read the two recent posts

(this week) about wordless books.

>

> Greetings,

>

> I am realatively new to the group my DD is 6 and in K. We are working

on her reading comprehension and in general her understanding of What,

Who, Where type questions. She is already reading but has no concept of

what occured in the story. They are just words. And when you ask what

she did at school, even with prompts, she just doesn't want to discuss

it. She says " I don't know, it doesn't matter " . This is her main area

of focus right now as other areas are progressing well.

>

> She is high functioning so I feel we fall through the cracks some

times in finding appropriate reasources to help her make progress. Any

ideas or suggestions on programs or places to find help is appreciated.

We live in central MA but I am willing to travel to Boston if needed.

>

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Go to www.notnewtoautism.blogspot.com

<http://www.notnewtoautism.blogspot.com> and read the two recent posts

(this week) about wordless books.

>

> Greetings,

>

> I am realatively new to the group my DD is 6 and in K. We are working

on her reading comprehension and in general her understanding of What,

Who, Where type questions. She is already reading but has no concept of

what occured in the story. They are just words. And when you ask what

she did at school, even with prompts, she just doesn't want to discuss

it. She says " I don't know, it doesn't matter " . This is her main area

of focus right now as other areas are progressing well.

>

> She is high functioning so I feel we fall through the cracks some

times in finding appropriate reasources to help her make progress. Any

ideas or suggestions on programs or places to find help is appreciated.

We live in central MA but I am willing to travel to Boston if needed.

>

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Go to www.notnewtoautism.blogspot.com

<http://www.notnewtoautism.blogspot.com> and read the two recent posts

(this week) about wordless books.

>

> Greetings,

>

> I am realatively new to the group my DD is 6 and in K. We are working

on her reading comprehension and in general her understanding of What,

Who, Where type questions. She is already reading but has no concept of

what occured in the story. They are just words. And when you ask what

she did at school, even with prompts, she just doesn't want to discuss

it. She says " I don't know, it doesn't matter " . This is her main area

of focus right now as other areas are progressing well.

>

> She is high functioning so I feel we fall through the cracks some

times in finding appropriate reasources to help her make progress. Any

ideas or suggestions on programs or places to find help is appreciated.

We live in central MA but I am willing to travel to Boston if needed.

>

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Hi everyone, my son is in second grade and is having a really hard time with

reading comprehension. He is diagnosed with verbal apraxia. He reads at grade

level but when he has to answer questions about the story he draws a blank. Is

this normal for a child with apraxia? If so how did you help your child? He is

at the point where he is failing this semester at school. I need to help him in

anyway I can.

Haydee

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My daughter is 11, and she has both receptive (auditory processing disorder)

and expressive (apraxia) disorder. My son is 5 and he only appears to have

the expressive (apraxia) disorder. With APD, my daughter could read at

grade level but couldn't comprehend what she read which really started to

affect her in the 4th grade. Are there any other problems he is having?

For instance, since my daughter was 4, I would say something to her, and she

would often respond, " What did you say? " Does he have trouble following

multiple step directions? Does he tend to take things literally? (i.e. " the

boy cracked up at the joke " ). They are possible signs of APD, and you can

request testing at his school. The test is different from the normal

hearing test because it tests the middle ear and is more extensive.

If it is only the reading comprehension, you may want to check out

Visualizing and Verbalizing by mood-Bell. My daughter is currently

doing FastForWord at home through Gemm Learning and that also works on the

receptive skills.

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