Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Dex, Welcome! I'm curious to hear about your experience with HCG and T. My doc (at first visit) was talking about putting me on T for a couple months to get my levels up and then introducing HCG. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 This is great, please give us a description, timeline and results on these therapies. This would be some interesting insight into Dr. Shippen and why he picks these. You will find all of us " ALL EARS " > Phil kindly asked me to stop by and say hello. I am currently under treatment with Dr. > Shippen in Pennsylvania. I have some experience with HCG, TRT (T cypionate), Viagra, > Cialis, Levitra, Seligiline, Cabergoline, and a few other therapies. I hope to get to know you > all better as time goes by, but for now, just wanted to say hi. > > Dex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Jeez, I don't know about that approach. I think it is prudent to start with HCg and stimulate the testicles to see what you can get over a couple month period before resorting to T. If you start with T first then the feedback loop will cause your testicles to shrink or at least to shut down so you would then be starting HCG with testicles that have already been forced below their current output. Those are two different directions, in addition to the fact that the hcg alone may be enough. When I started I did T for a month just to see what T would feel like and if it would help me and to motivate me to do something about it. Then I backed off and went to HCG for the reasons I just mentioned. If I had to do it all over again I would still do it that way. Its probably okay to try a little T to see what it does for you but if you are seriously interested in HCG I would get off it fairly soon. Mixing T in with HCG is an art and not a science and it can be done but I dont think it gives you a view of what HCG alone is doing. Winter >From: " mdw1000 " <mdw1000@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Hello All >Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:11:37 -0000 > >Dex, > >Welcome! I'm curious to hear about your experience with HCG and T. >My doc (at first visit) was talking about putting me on T for a >couple months to get my levels up and then introducing HCG. > >Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 , Thanks for your reply. It mostly has been in my sternum, or breast plate, and has been the worst of my pain. I experience clicking of the ribs, as if they are coming loose! Coughing or sneezing has become a dreaded event! Take Care, Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 I never knew why my ribs hurt! I went to the Dr.'s after it bothered me for a while, and they seemed to feel it was like pulled something....ligaments or something...but it acts up frequently enough that I know it's not from something I did! It bothers me in the lower back portion of the ribs, so far only on the right side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Hi Ken, I hear you regarding the rib pain. I think I asked a similar question about that a few months back. Could you ever have thought a sneeze could be so painful?Lol Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 > I am new to this group and I do have a question that hopefully can be > answered. I just began having the blood work done to find out why I > have low drive. One of the tests run was for total testosterone. The > level that cam back was 295 and the results stated that I was normal > because the range for the test was between 260 and 1000. This being > the case my urologist told me that since it was in the " Normal " range > no doctor in their right mind would try to increase that level > without being concerned about a malpractice suit down the road if > something were to happen. I personally think that 295, being at the > low end of the scale, could be increased to a higher level without > much worry. Am I wrong in this thought process? > > TIA You are correct. Find another doctor. You may need to try several before you find someone who will treat you. You may find this link of interest: http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/features/ref_ranges.html Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 You're on the right track. Find another doc. My first two were happy to have me just over the clinical threshold of 350. Even at 525 I felt lousy. Once I got hooked up with an endo that understood what was going on, he put me on a treatment course that got me up at the top of the range. Once that held I've felt great. Keep pressing. Ask lots of questions here and definitely don't accept a doctor's opinion as the last word. Ask them the tough questions and if you aren't satisfied keep looking. Your body will tell you if your T level is enough. Good luck... Bobby > I am new to this group and I do have a question that hopefully can be > answered. I just began having the blood work done to find out why I > have low drive. One of the tests run was for total testosterone. The > level that cam back was 295 and the results stated that I was normal > because the range for the test was between 260 and 1000. This being > the case my urologist told me that since it was in the " Normal " range > no doctor in their right mind would try to increase that level > without being concerned about a malpractice suit down the road if > something were to happen. I personally think that 295, being at the > low end of the scale, could be increased to a higher level without > much worry. Am I wrong in this thought process? > > TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 The Dr. does not know how to treat Low T. your levels should be in the upper 1/3 of the range. The malpractice should be form the bone loss you will suffer and the other things that go wrong from Low t. the list is long. Here is a good link and a cut & paste on the testing. Phil http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-130.shtml#too CORRECTING A HORMONE IMBALANCE Step 1- Blood Testing Step 2- Interpretation Blood Test Results Step 3-When Results Are Not Optimal A male hormone imbalance can be detected through use of the proper blood tests and can be corrected using available drugs and nutrients. The following represents a step-by-step program to safely restore youthful hormone balance in aging men: Step 1: Blood Testing The following initial blood tests are recommended for any man over age 40: Complete blood count and chemistry profile to include liver-kidney function, glucose, minerals, lipids, and thyroid (TSH) Free and Total Testosterone Estradiol (estrogen) DHT (dihydrotestosterone) DHEA PSA Homocysteine Luteinizing hormone (LH) (optional) Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) (optional) Step 2: Interpretation of Free Testosterone, Estrogen, and Total Testosterone Blood Test Results Free Testosterone Estrogen Total Testosterone One can easily determine if they need testosterone replacement or estrogen suppression by adhering to the following guidelines: Free Testosterone Free testosterone blood levels should be at the high-normal of the reference range. We define high-normal range as the upper one third of the reference range. Under no circumstances should free or total testosterone be above the high end of the normal range. What too often happens is that a standard laboratory " reference range " deceives a man (and his physician) into believing that proper hormone balance exists because the results of a free testosterone test fall within the " normal " range. The following charts show a wide range of so-called " normal " ranges of testosterone for men of various ages. While these normal ranges may reflect population " averages, " the objective for most men over age 40 is to be in the upper one-third tes-tosterone range of the 21- to 29-year-old group. Based on the following reference range chart from LabCorp, this means that optimal free testosterone levels should be between 21-26.5 nanogram/dL in aging men. Reference Intervals for Free Testosterone from LabCorp20-29 years9.3-26.5 picogram/mL30-39 years8.7-25.1 picogram/mL40-49 years6.8-21.5 picogram/mL50-59 years7.2-24.0 picogram/mL60+ years6.6-18.1 picogram/mL An example of how this chart can be deceptive would be if a 50-year-old man presented symptoms of testosterone deficiency (depression, low energy, abdominal obesity, angina, etc.), but his blood test revealed his free testosterone to be 9 picogram/mL. His doctor might tell him he is fine because he falls within the normal " reference range. " The reality may be that to achieve optimal benefits, testosterone levels should be between 21-26.5 picogram/mL. That means a man could have less than half the amount of testosterone needed to overcome symptoms of a tes-tosterone deficiency, but his doctor will not prescribe testosterone replacement because the man falls within the " average " parameters. That is why it is so important to differentiate between " average " and " optimal. " Average 50-year-old men often have the symptoms of having too little testosterone. Yet since so many 50-year-old men have lower than desired testosterone levels, this is considered to be " normal " when it comes to standard laboratory reference ranges. The Life Extension Foundation would like to point out that there is disagreement between clinicians and laboratories on the best method for measuring tes-tosterone status. There are different schools of thought as to which form of testosterone should be measured and which analytical procedure provides the most accurate assessment of metabolic activity. To illistrate this point, the reference values for measuring free testosterone from Quest Diagnostics follow: Adult Male (20-60+ years):1.0-2.7%50-210 pg/mLOptimal Range:150-210 pg/mL for aging men without prostate cancer. We believe that direct testing for free testosterone is the best way to test for testosterone activity, as free testosterone is active testosterone and consists of only 1-2% of total testosterone. Total testosterone can be good for general testing. The four main methods presently used for analyzing free testosterone are: Direct, Free Testosterone by Direct Analog/Radioimmunoassay (RIA) Testosterone Free by Ultrafiltration (UF) Testosterone Free by Equilibrium Tracer Dialysis (ETD) Testosterone Free and Weakly Bound by Radioasssay (FWRA) The latter three test methods are older, more complicated methods that are technically demanding. The direct RIA test has a number of commercial test kits available, and they are better used in today's automated equipment, making this test less tedious and requiring a smaller (less) sample. These advantages have convinced many laboratories and clinics to prefer direct RIA testing for free testosterone. The Life Extension Foundation agrees with this assessment, and therefore uses and recommends the direct free testosterone test with the above-mentioned reference levels. Consequently, if your doctor tests your free tes-tosterone, be sure you know the analytical method used. If your test results have a reference range as follows, you have probably been tested with one of the other test methods: Male Reference Range Test Type66-417 nanogram/dL FWRA12.3-63% %FWRA5-21 nanogram/dL UF or ETD50-210 picogram/mL UF or ETD1.0-2.7% % of free by UF or ETD No matter what test method is used to determine your free testosterone status, the optimal level (where you want to be) is in the upper one-third of normal for a 20-29 year old male. tshooter66 <tshooter1@...> wrote: I am new to this group and I do have a question that hopefully can be answered. I just began having the blood work done to find out why I have low drive. One of the tests run was for total testosterone. The level that cam back was 295 and the results stated that I was normal because the range for the test was between 260 and 1000. This being the case my urologist told me that since it was in the " Normal " range no doctor in their right mind would try to increase that level without being concerned about a malpractice suit down the road if something were to happen. I personally think that 295, being at the low end of the scale, could be increased to a higher level without much worry. Am I wrong in this thought process? TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:45:43 -0000, you wrote: >I am new to this group and I do have a question that hopefully can be >answered. I just began having the blood work done to find out why I >have low drive. One of the tests run was for total testosterone. The >level that cam back was 295 and the results stated that I was normal >because the range for the test was between 260 and 1000. This being >the case my urologist told me that since it was in the " Normal " range >no doctor in their right mind would try to increase that level >without being concerned about a malpractice suit down the road if >something were to happen. I personally think that 295, being at the >low end of the scale, could be increased to a higher level without >much worry. Am I wrong in this thought process? > >TIA Normal ranges are a broad range. You are in the bottom 10% probably even lower depending on your age. That said - you should know that when you start T replacement -it is replacement not supplementing - because added T will signal your body to produce less or even stop producing T at all. So if you start with an idea of supplementing you will be likely setting yourself up for a lifetime of replacement therapy. Your doctor though should look at your estradiol levels (E2). These rise over time as we age and in some males are high enough to create problems. (E2 is created through the break down of testosterone. A couple of studies have found that blocking this conversion can add 300 points to your total T score and put you at 295 into median ranges which could be a fine level for you.) This chart will show you typical T levels by age: http://www.alt-support-impotence.org/hormone_charts.htm Read the AACE guidelines in the groups file section as well to understand causes of low T and various therapies. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:45:12 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >The Dr. does not know how to treat Low T. your levels should be in the upper 1/3 of the range. Fill with all due respect, Phil, that is your ideal based on your T therapy and experience. Many people find other levels to be beneficial. Particularly if it is natural T produced by his own body. SO for example if he could get to 600 or 650 with Arimidex and no T that could prove quite good, and would probably be preferable to a life of T therapy. I am made uncomfortable by your tendency to state the optimums you have discovered for yourself as absolutes for everyone. I wish you could state them as your experience rather than the final word. Your advice is quite helpful and your experience more than most. please don't take offense at his. I offer it as I hope constructive advice. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:13:56 -0000, you wrote: > >Funny you should mention that list. I called one of the docs on the >list that was ten miles away. She had never heard of the >organization that was sponsoring this and wasn't taking new patients >for TRT. The bulk of the other docs are 100 miles away, but I may >make a few calls. The endo doc I'm seeing right now is willing to >work with on keeping my levels at the top and getting the right blood >tests. I would like to find one that considers E2 levels an >important hormone to check as well. Thanks! I've got an article some where on what's called E2 and Testosterone cross talk from a medical journal. Let me look for it. If I don't post in the next day or two give me a reminder nudge. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 tshooter, T 295 can easily be low enough to cause severe symptoms. Some lab reference ranges start at 350. Your doctor is qualified neither to predict the opinions of other doctors nor to comment on their minds. Bruce > I am new to this group and I do have a question that hopefully can be > answered. I just began having the blood work done to find out why I > have low drive. One of the tests run was for total testosterone. The > level that cam back was 295 and the results stated that I was normal > because the range for the test was between 260 and 1000. This being > the case my urologist told me that since it was in the " Normal " range > no doctor in their right mind would try to increase that level > without being concerned about a malpractice suit down the road if > something were to happen. I personally think that 295, being at the > low end of the scale, could be increased to a higher level without > much worry. Am I wrong in this thought process? > > TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Hi, Many doctors new to TRT do not have the experience to treat patients correctly. You need a doctor with andorpause experience. My doctor, Dr. Gambrell, Augusta, GA aims for a level from 700 - 900 with the best results near 900. Too much is not good much to my surprise. This does not cure ED if you are having trouble with maintaining erections, but it does improve your interest, sense of well being, improve your composure, gives you a new response to a dress blowing in the wind. After that, it is also very beneficial to to most of the vital organs in the body. ernestnolan > I am new to this group and I do have a question that hopefully can be > answered. I just began having the blood work done to find out why I > have low drive. One of the tests run was for total testosterone. The > level that cam back was 295 and the results stated that I was normal > because the range for the test was between 260 and 1000. This being > the case my urologist told me that since it was in the " Normal " range > no doctor in their right mind would try to increase that level > without being concerned about a malpractice suit down the road if > something were to happen. I personally think that 295, being at the > low end of the scale, could be increased to a higher level without > much worry. Am I wrong in this thought process? > > TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Hi, Many doctors new to TRT do not have the experience to treat patients correctly. You need a doctor with andorpause experience. My doctor, Dr. Gambrell, Augusta, GA aims for a level from 700 - 900 with the best results near 900. Too much is not good much to my surprise. This does not cure ED if you are having trouble with maintaining erections, but it does improve your interest, sense of well being, improve your composure, gives you a new response to a dress blowing in the wind. After that, it is also very beneficial to to most of the vital organs in the body. ernestnolan > I am new to this group and I do have a question that hopefully can be > answered. I just began having the blood work done to find out why I > have low drive. One of the tests run was for total testosterone. The > level that cam back was 295 and the results stated that I was normal > because the range for the test was between 260 and 1000. This being > the case my urologist told me that since it was in the " Normal " range > no doctor in their right mind would try to increase that level > without being concerned about a malpractice suit down the road if > something were to happen. I personally think that 295, being at the > low end of the scale, could be increased to a higher level without > much worry. Am I wrong in this thought process? > > TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 have him run the test again, this time make the appt for the afternoon as your levels are lower then in the morning. Also certian foods/supplements can lower your level see the links section. My first test the Total T was 405 done in the am, the second test it was 212. Also my second test was with a new doc who treats patients with levels < 500. the range of these test are 260-1000. As a side note, going on TRT even though it is an ez trap to start does have its disadvantages. TRT alone will make you sterile or close to it as it stops the trigers that tell your testicles to make sperm and testosterone. There are other meds to help raise your natural T is it is possible. hcG/Clomid are options, that alot of primary care docs don't know about for men, even though they use them all day long on women. Also as I am sure you have read, when your testicles don't have anything to do they tend to shrink. on the pos side, I use 2 packs of androgel a day, and feel like a new man all around. Bob > > I am new to this group and I do have a question that hopefully can be > > answered. I just began having the blood work done to find out why I > > have low drive. One of the tests run was for total testosterone. The > > level that cam back was 295 and the results stated that I was normal > > because the range for the test was between 260 and 1000. This being > > the case my urologist told me that since it was in the " Normal " range > > no doctor in their right mind would try to increase that level > > without being concerned about a malpractice suit down the road if > > something were to happen. I personally think that 295, being at the > > low end of the scale, could be increased to a higher level without > > much worry. Am I wrong in this thought process? > > > > TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Tia, You doctor may be looking out for your best interest if you are relatively young and virile. T replacement causes temporary sterility and shuts down normal production. You need more lab work to rule out illness. I suggest testing for Free Test, Sex Binding Hormone, Estradiol, LH, FSH, and DHT along with the standard blood panels. An option to consider is stimulation of the signaling hormones in the brain. This is a good strategy for Secondary Hypo G patients. > I am new to this group and I do have a question that hopefully can be > answered. I just began having the blood work done to find out why I > have low drive. One of the tests run was for total testosterone. The > level that cam back was 295 and the results stated that I was normal > because the range for the test was between 260 and 1000. This being > the case my urologist told me that since it was in the " Normal " range > no doctor in their right mind would try to increase that level > without being concerned about a malpractice suit down the road if > something were to happen. I personally think that 295, being at the > low end of the scale, could be increased to a higher level without > much worry. Am I wrong in this thought process? > > TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Retro, I really think Phil deserves better as one of the few remaining experienced patients posting to this site. How about a little more tact? Other than that, I think that more of an effort should be made to encourage newbies to get the right lab work. That is priority number one. I think someone posted an article detailing the labs. Also, no one enquired about the fellow's age or physique. These are important to getting pointed in the proper direction. My experience has been that Endos don't have the answer but neither do Urologists. I ended up going to a steriod doctor recommended by College Pharmacy (email = info@...). Phil, thanks again for the referral to College Pharmacy. > > >The Dr. does not know how to treat Low T. your levels should be in the upper 1/3 of the range. > > > Fill with all due respect, Phil, that is your ideal based on your T > therapy and experience. Many people find other levels to be > beneficial. Particularly if it is natural T produced by his own body. > SO for example if he could get to 600 or 650 with Arimidex and no T > that could prove quite good, and would probably be preferable to a > life of T therapy. > > I am made uncomfortable by your tendency to state the optimums you > have discovered for yourself as absolutes for everyone. I wish you > could state them as your experience rather than the final word. Your > advice is quite helpful and your experience more than most. please > don't take offense at his. I offer it as I hope constructive advice. > > - - - - > Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:32:22 -0000, you wrote: >have him run the test again, this time make the appt for the >afternoon as your levels are lower then in the morning. Research says levels are at their peak in the early am and fall during the day. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Retro is correct. Your natural peak is in the early morning - the reason many of us wake up with morning wood.... K4 > > >have him run the test again, this time make the appt for the > >afternoon as your levels are lower then in the morning. > > > Research says levels are at their peak in the early am and fall during > the day. > > - - - - > Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Then do this call some small drug stores in the area and ask for the names of Dr.'s that wright scripts for AndroGel, Testim and Arimidex for men. Call them and see if they treat a lot of men and go to one of them. There are a lot of Dr.'s the are good at treating low T you just have to find them. Phil bobbycfromep <clark.hypog@...> wrote: Phil, Funny you should mention that list. I called one of the docs on the list that was ten miles away. She had never heard of the organization that was sponsoring this and wasn't taking new patients for TRT. The bulk of the other docs are 100 miles away, but I may make a few calls. The endo doc I'm seeing right now is willing to work with on keeping my levels at the top and getting the right blood tests. I would like to find one that considers E2 levels an important hormone to check as well. Thanks! Bobby > > I am new to this group and I do have a question that hopefully can > be > > answered. I just began having the blood work done to find out why I > > have low drive. One of the tests run was for total testosterone. > The > > level that cam back was 295 and the results stated that I was > normal > > because the range for the test was between 260 and 1000. This being > > the case my urologist told me that since it was in the " Normal " > range > > no doctor in their right mind would try to increase that level > > without being concerned about a malpractice suit down the road if > > something were to happen. I personally think that 295, being at the > > low end of the scale, could be increased to a higher level without > > much worry. Am I wrong in this thought process? > > > > TIA > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Yep sex is best in the morning. Phil kaitain4 <no_reply > wrote: Retro is correct. Your natural peak is in the early morning - the reason many of us wake up with morning wood.... K4 > > >have him run the test again, this time make the appt for the > >afternoon as your levels are lower then in the morning. > > > Research says levels are at their peak in the early am and fall during > the day. > > - - - - > Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:16:52 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >Retro I am not talking about myself I am talking about what I have read. And posted many times. I am not one that needs a real high level anymore since getting my E2 down I am good at 800. Here is a cut & past about levels. At the bottom is were is says upper 1/3 of range. >http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-130b.shtml#dr Thanks. I sit corrected. My concern was that my reading of his post suggested he was not yet on TRT, and that if E2 was an issue Arimidex could have carried him from 295 total t to 600 to 700 without TRT 9based on the elderly and Arimidex study often posted here). I would think that level of self produced T would be preferable to taking on a life of TRT. So telling him he should be in the 800 to 1000 range might push him into TRT. I'm coming to believe that self produced T levels do not have to be as high as replacement T levels to feel the same benefits. I can't point to anything, but its a feeling I'm getting from reading this group. Once you're on TRT it seems only sensible to look for an optimum level and I suspect that optimal feeling probably does come from something above median level in the 600s. But if one can be at median levels without a life time of shots, gels or pellets, I'd say go for that. I don't think we'd suggest folks at 650 medians should all be on TRT to get into the 800-900 range to feel better. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:43:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Yep sex is best in the morning. >Phil There';s a funny song by a group called Uncle Bonzai entitled " Boys Want Sex in the Morning " . Worth a funny listen. Heck here it is: Boys Want Sex In The Morning Boys want Sex in the morning Sex in the morning When I'm not my best Boys want Sex in the morning Sex in the morning Tearing at my breast Boys want Someone who's winsome Someone to pin Someone to undertake Boys want Someone to fall on Someone to crawl on Someone half awake Boys want Sex in the morning Sex in the morning Covers at my knees Boys want Rotten conditions Passive positions I am a trapeze Boys want Someone who's sleepy Someone who's keeping Nothing in too deep Boys want Somebody first hand Someone to burst And then go back to sleep There is nothing I like better Than a jostle now and then With the hands under the sweater And the back that starts to bend But before my eyes are open I don't want to have to hide From a simpleton still poking With a thimbleful of pride Boys want Sex in the morning Sex in the morning Soiling the sheets Boys want Sex while I'm yawning Suddenly spawning When I'm half asleep Boys want Someone unconscious Somebody not just Waiting for a thrill Boys want Sex with surprises Sex with sunrises Someone on the pill There is nothing like a lover Who can satisfy your needs And the joy when you discover Just how often he succeeds But before my eyes can focus I don't need him to surprise By descending like a locust On a field of sleeping thighs Boys want Sex in the morning Sex in the morning When I'm still not fresh Boys want Something that strikes them Someone who likes them Fondling their flesh Boys want Someone to take and Someone to break and Comment on their size Boys want Someone to prod and Someone who'll nod And then just close her eyes - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Thanks I have to keep this one. Phil retrogrouch@... wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:43:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Yep sex is best in the morning. >Phil There';s a funny song by a group called Uncle Bonzai entitled " Boys Want Sex in the Morning " . Worth a funny listen. Heck here it is: Boys Want Sex In The Morning Boys want Sex in the morning Sex in the morning When I'm not my best Boys want Sex in the morning Sex in the morning Tearing at my breast Boys want Someone who's winsome Someone to pin Someone to undertake Boys want Someone to fall on Someone to crawl on Someone half awake Boys want Sex in the morning Sex in the morning Covers at my knees Boys want Rotten conditions Passive positions I am a trapeze Boys want Someone who's sleepy Someone who's keeping Nothing in too deep Boys want Somebody first hand Someone to burst And then go back to sleep There is nothing I like better Than a jostle now and then With the hands under the sweater And the back that starts to bend But before my eyes are open I don't want to have to hide From a simpleton still poking With a thimbleful of pride Boys want Sex in the morning Sex in the morning Soiling the sheets Boys want Sex while I'm yawning Suddenly spawning When I'm half asleep Boys want Someone unconscious Somebody not just Waiting for a thrill Boys want Sex with surprises Sex with sunrises Someone on the pill There is nothing like a lover Who can satisfy your needs And the joy when you discover Just how often he succeeds But before my eyes can focus I don't need him to surprise By descending like a locust On a field of sleeping thighs Boys want Sex in the morning Sex in the morning When I'm still not fresh Boys want Something that strikes them Someone who likes them Fondling their flesh Boys want Someone to take and Someone to break and Comment on their size Boys want Someone to prod and Someone who'll nod And then just close her eyes - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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