Re: Does CR Make You More Hungry?

[Guest guest]

Warren: this group (CR Support) will remain a free, simple, list on

(unless something better comes along). The motto here is KISS.

As to the hunger issue, I am about as hungry as before CR, no more no less.

I eat considerably more than the 1120 cal estimated below for a woman -

probably more like 1600 a day. We're all different and we all eat different

amts of cals, but unfortunately that wasn't stated in the article.

Which brings me to my main objection about the article and all former news

stories, TV segments, and articles. And that is that the most extreme among

us are always the ones interviewed. If these cronies who turn up regularly

in these stories want to do a service for bringing the CR message across,

they will point to the many, many moderate members (the article states that

Rae is 6 ft tall and weighs 115 pds - extreme by any measure).

's stats sound pretty drastic to the average person in the U.S. who

is probably overweight and is having a hard time even getting to weighing in

the normal range, much less so far below setpoint.

The best message is that CRON need not be so drastic to get benefits. CRON

need not be complicated. CRON can be moderate. Just eating somewhat below

ad lib also accrues benefits. Heck, Walford says eating AD LIB, but

optimally as far as nutrition, even makes you healthier than you were

before!

on 8/5/2002 9:55 PM, Warren at warren.taylor@... wrote:

> " ... NIH monkey experiments limit food intake to the

> minimum necessary to prevent negative effects on health -

> or at least 30 percent less than the current 'healthy' diet.

> Translated into human terms, that would be 1,120 calories

> a day for the average woman, or 1,540 for a man.

> For the average American, eating at that level would

> create deep hunger pangs. "

[Guest guest]

Warren,

Two Comments from a moderate CRONie here (about 1800 a dat, 5'9 " 38

year old male here, 160 lbs).

1) I DO NOT suffer from constant hunger pangs. I get hungry near a

mealtime, just like my preCRON life. I will say my apetite is

considerably less than before CRON, meaning not real hunger pang but

what is worse for me, the munchies. I still get the munchies mostly

from dinner time to bedtime.

2) The third society message, teach others.

A) First how I heard. Iwas intoduced to Walford's 120 year diet from

my brother who was following CRON for a few monthes and lost alot of

weight and felt great. It was a time when I had to give up my

regular exercise (viral pericarditis) and was going weight (up to

about 210). My brother tends to be an excessive guy, lives in a

different state (so no chatting over inner or a football game), and

has been a fitness preacher for the past 20 years. On a whim I

suggested he tell me the name of the book and I'ld pick it up. He

mailed me both of Walfords books and it has changed my life.

The immediate family (wife and kids). While my wife loves my

brother, she frequently think he's full of %$ & *, so the Walford books

we initially recieved cooly. She is in the medical profession so

couldn't say much when I actually descibed the diet, wisely focusing

on the ON part which any medical professional will agree with and

glazing over the CR part. I also took over cooking most meals (much

to the wife's delight). As we both lost weight and felt much better

about ourselves, she has been a big supported of the diet. My

daughters (6 and 8) also benefit from healthier food and we

definitely let them eat as much as they want (and do allow them

typical kid's snacks such as candy, ice cream and an occasional

Mcs trip)

C) Friends. Best to tech by example. Wait for the " You've lost

weight " and go from there. Slow at first, some will want more info,

some turn glassy eyed when they hear cutting out processed sugar.

Some understand and listen but do not want to change. I find it's

best to keep it simple at first, like suggesting one or two changes.

Example: use only whole wheat bread (not many disagree here), as

much fruit and vegetables as they want, wholesome ceriels, healthy

meats (very unpopular I have found), fish and seafood et... To this

date, only two people have actually gotten to the point to read

Walfords book, one didn't pay attention and I have lost contact with

the other.

D) The World: I am not the kind of person to go preaching or even

volunteer for a TV interview like some of our more couragous members

but prefer the suttler, one on one approach. I will definitely say

in the past 15 monthes (since I started CRON) I have seen ALOT more

attention from the media as well as scientific journals (being a

scientist myself). This is good and even though it is sensational,

the message is getting out. People will still do what they want

(just look at cigarettes) but more and more will see it's not all

sensational, especially if the focus can move towards the ON the part

(which is solid information) than the CR (which does require a

certain leap of faith).

So in short, there seams to be four stages in teaching CR: SELF,

HOME, NEIGHBORS, WORLD.

Just one CRON's opinion

Joe

> >

> > This is the final story in the Daily Herald.

> > All in all a good article...

> >

> > http://www.dailyherald.com/health/health_story.asp?intID=374730

> >

>

> Thanks, Francesca. Thank you S., R., and Dean P.

[Guest guest]

Robin and ALL:

Quick Summary: Taming the beast is key to happy CR.

Robin talks very nicely about the beast below, and

this message tells how to keep the beast happy.

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When you refuse to eat, you " let the beast sleep " , and

you simply are not hungry. This is especially easy,

once your body is trained and acclimated. You can even

feed the beast so infrequently as once every other day,

and you are without hunger. See tip below, so that

you have peak performance and mental alertness and energy,

when the beast is sleeping.

But start to feed the beast, even only a little, and then

you arouse a fury beyond comprehension, your brute

survival instincts, so powerful that you continue

your meal out of control, with a furious hunger whose

fire is nearly impossible to quench.

Here are solution ideas.

During times when the beast is sleeping: Refuse to

awaken him, and let him sleep in peace. Only feed him

at scheduled times, and make those times infrequent,

to minimize your troubles, and to tame his fury. During

those times when you refuse food, you are " fasting " .

But you need something to help keep you alert and

keep you energized and focussed, so you are not weak --

or you will falter and stumble, and be unable to

concentrate and compete in the workplace. So you

must improve your mental focus and physical comfort and

job performance with something ideal and healthful --

like the cocoa drink (recent discovery, discussed on the list).

This beverage, at 5 calories per 8-oz glass (with Sucralose),

greatly enhances performance, improves mood, sharpens mental

acuity, assists physical comfort, and focuses alertness.

During times when you must disturb the beast, for your own

physical survival, do it with a preconceived carefully

formulated plan. Make sure that the beast is watered first.

The beast confuses thirst and hunger, and failure to water him

first necessitates feeding him food (calories), when his

actual need is thirst (liquids). So don't confuse the beast.

Quench his thirst 30 to 40 minutes prior to feeding him, so

he doesn't demand food, when he is actually thirsty.

Before you arouse the beast with food, you may wish to give

him a natural appetite suppressant snack (Satietrol) --

to ensure that he is under control, and doesn't initiate a

frenzied feeding panic, with an uncontrollable binge that

knows no mercy. Several strategies to do this:

-- Take CCK appetite suppressant " Satietrol " 15 min prior to meal.

-- Eat low-cal, high-nutrition, high-fiber veggies that you love.

-- Use great low-cal toppings, sauces, dressings, seasonings on veggies

-- Use guar/cellulose high-fiber desserts, highly sweetened (Sucralose)

-- Use strongest, best flavors (cocoa/chocolate, anise, lemon, ...)

In addition, you should carefully weigh yourself every morning,

write it down, and know your BMI/weight target goal. Do this

every day, so the beast stays lean and fit.

Allow the beast to sleep, while taming his fury during infrequent

feedings. This simple strategy facilitates remarkably easy CR,

while allowing a happy, high quality CRONie lifestyle.

-- Warren

> > On 05 Aug 2002, Warren wrote:

> >

> > Is the last sentence correct? Specifically, is

> > " fewer calories means more hunger " an erroneous stereotype?

> On 05 Aug 2002, Warren wrote:

>

> I am not very restricted yet by any means, so my experience may

> not be typical. However, I do think I have a unique viewpoint on

> this issue. I am currently calorie restricted (to 1500 calories)

> two days a week. The rest of the week I eat ad lib. On the

> calorie restricted days I find that overall I am much less

> hungry. Let me clarify that though: There are at least two types

> of hunger to my mind -- physical hunger (stomach growling,

> headache) and appetite/craving (hard to resist desire to eat

> more). The second, appetite, has been a much more pernicious and

> persistent problem for me. On my calorie restricted days, I

> (amazingly!) have few appetite problems. I don't crave sweets in

> the afternoon or snacks after dinner. However, physical hunger is

> slightly increased. I do feel a bit lightheaded before dinner.

> But that's okay -- a little hunger is a good thing, making my

> low-calorie healthy meal very delicious and satisfying when I

> finally do eat.

>

> On my ad lib days this situation is very much reversed -- I am

> " hungry " (i.e. have appetite) ALL the time. I could eat all day

> and never be satisfied. I find my appetite on ad lib days very

> frustrating because I feel like I'm constantly looking for

> something to satiate it, but nothing ever does.

>

> So, if you're gauging by physical hunger, calorie restriction, at

> least in my case, has indeed increased it. If you are going by

> appetite (a much worse issue in my opinion!) then calorie

> restriction comes out the winner.

>

> - Robin

[Guest guest]

on 8/6/2002 4:55 PM, Warren at warren.taylor@... wrote:

> When you refuse to eat, you " let the beast sleep " , and

> you simply are not hungry. This is especially easy,

> once your body is trained and acclimated. You can even

> feed the beast so infrequently as once every other day,

> and you are without hunger. See tip below, so that

> you have peak performance and mental alertness and energy,

> when the beast is sleeping.

Just a note for the new members: we do not all fast and go to the extremes

of some members like Warren. Many of us are more moderate - just an

addendum so you don't think " one size fits all " .

[Guest guest]

Colin and ALL,

Quick Summary: A person to learn from, CRONie friend

Mike Colella dropped 100 lbs: Inspiring message for all.

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Your response was beautiful and reinforcing.

I saved a copy of your post, saved special in my

" Extraordinary Messages " folder! Thanks for a great message.

And your example of dropping 100 lbs is an inspiration.

Some of us have dropped only 20 or 30 Lbs. Your example

is a breath-taking feat and a striking accomplishment.

Maintain your lowered BMI for a lifetime. Then you back up

with convincing proof the truth of the words you speak.

You have credibility, if anyone on this List does.

For you we live, to receive truth and instruction.

-- Warren

> On Tuesday, August 06, 2002 5:44 AM,

> Mike Colella [sMTP:colinmichaels@...] wrote:

>

> As a former 270 lb person (currently 162) I can testify to the absolute

> truth as to hunger for myself. And without doubt, I am less hungry on CR,

> fully weighing over 100 lbs less than as an obese person. In fact, I

> have the habit of knocking off lbs for special occasions, so I can go

> ad-lib for a couple days. And honest to God, I am hungrier on the ad-lib

> days; it's as if I become over stimulated by all the tasty food I

> normally don't eat, and my body just seems to go wild. Recently at a

> conference, people couldn't get over the gluttonous behavior for someone

> so thin and fit. The banquets were really exceptional, and I just gorged.

> But honestly, it was a real relief when I came home and returned to my CR

> lifestyle.

>

> Also, I agree with Warren that the news media is getting it wrong about

> CR, at least for some of us who find it a totally pleasant and health

> building experience; its about time that message got through.

>

> Regards,

>

> Colin s

[Guest guest]

I consume between 1200 and 1300 calories a day. I have lost 6 or so

pounds over quite a few months - it is certainly quite mild CR. I

would like to go lower but don't feel ready. I am only hungry in the

sense of having a huge appetite at certain times of the month (if you

get my drift). Once in a while though not very often I also feel a

bit weak and must eat a snack - this doesn't increase my total

caloric needs at all - it is simply a matter of timing (I need to eat

at that time).

[Guest guest]

Joanne: It may not be mild CR. Weight loss is not the criteria. Are you

naturally thin? If so, you're not supposed to lose as much. How many

calories would you be eating ad lib? If 1800 or so, then you're about 30%

CR'd, nothing to sneeze at!! Remember the health benefits relate to

CALORIES consumed compared to ad lib, not weight loss, BMI, or other such

measures.

on 8/7/2002 10:53 PM, somejoanne2002 at bhsnz@... wrote:

> I consume between 1200 and 1300 calories a day. I have lost 6 or so

> pounds over quite a few months - it is certainly quite mild CR. I

> would like to go lower but don't feel ready. I am only hungry in the

> sense of having a huge appetite at certain times of the month (if you

> get my drift). Once in a while though not very often I also feel a

> bit weak and must eat a snack - this doesn't increase my total

> caloric needs at all - it is simply a matter of timing (I need to eat

> at that time).

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