Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 I would probably qualify as a rigorous long-term practitioner(male, bit under 6' tall, my 10-year average is a bit under 1800, and in the past month I've been experimenting with 1400 cals per day with good results, we'll see how long that lasts.... ) and I don't have any of those problems listed below. I have noticed that I keep a much higher protein level than any of the other long-term practioners that I know of(I aim for 50% of cals from protein), and I do heavy weight training to keep up muscle mass and bone density. > -----Original Message----- > From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:31 AM > support group > Subject: [ ] Extreme vs. Moderate > > > The trouble, Quantie, has been that in us humans, the more rigorous > practitioners have run into serious health problems > (osteoporosis, anemia, > low libido to name a few) and the Okinawans (more moderate) have not. > > Quantum Mechanic wrote: > My recollection is that the longest-lived rats were not the > most underweight > because they were among the heaviest to start with. But my > perception is > also that all other things being equal, more CR=greater > average and max > lifespan up to almost 70% CR in the rodents. That does not argue for > " moderate CR " . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Quantie: Tell us more. Are you emaciated or ripping with muscles due to your weight training? Any pictures available? Are you still ahem....interested in some of things that make life more interesting, such as intimacy with the opposite sex? Your very high protein intake is quite unusual. Would you say you're more on an Atkins type diet? While Walford concedes people lose weight on such diets, he doesn't give it any high marks for overall health and/or longevity. Of course, you're only one " mouse " . And a mouse that's on a seemingly different type diet than the other mice. on 9/5/2002 12:07 PM, Quantum Mechanic at morphy@... wrote: > I would probably qualify as a rigorous long-term practitioner(male, bit > under 6' tall, my 10-year average is a bit under 1800, and in the past month > I've been experimenting with 1400 cals per day with good results, we'll see > how long that lasts.... ) and I don't have any of those problems listed > below. I have noticed that I keep a much higher protein level than any of > the other long-term practioners that I know of(I aim for 50% of cals from > protein), and I do heavy weight training to keep up muscle mass and bone > density. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Quanti, I too am interested to learn about your protein consumption. How many grams of protein are you currently consuming and have you had your lean mass measured on a regular basis. There are apparently some arguments for keeping protein consumption modest in pursuit of Life Extension, but I find that if I don't consume a certain amount of protein my lean mass falls off quickly and my strength is then sacrificed. Please let us all know your personal experience with protein intake vs. lean mass vs. a feeling of well-being. Hopefully, maintaining strength and longevity are not mutually exclusive, but given the exercise induced free radical creation argument, weightlifters like us may need to find some balance between our desire for strength and our pursuit of 120+! Dave Noel ----- Original Message ----- From: Francesca Skelton Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Extreme vs. Moderate Quantie: Tell us more. Are you emaciated or ripping with muscles due toyour weight training? Any pictures available? Are you stillahem....interested in some of things that make life more interesting, suchas intimacy with the opposite sex?Your very high protein intake is quite unusual. Would you say you're moreon an Atkins type diet? While Walford concedes people lose weight on suchdiets, he doesn't give it any high marks for overall health and/orlongevity.Of course, you're only one "mouse". And a mouse that's on a seeminglydifferent type diet than the other mice.on 9/5/2002 12:07 PM, Quantum Mechanic at morphy@... wrote:> I would probably qualify as a rigorous long-term practitioner(male, bit> under 6' tall, my 10-year average is a bit under 1800, and in the past month> I've been experimenting with 1400 cals per day with good results, we'll see> how long that lasts.... ) and I don't have any of those problems listed> below. I have noticed that I keep a much higher protein level than any of> the other long-term practioners that I know of(I aim for 50% of cals from> protein), and I do heavy weight training to keep up muscle mass and bone> density.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 My libido is unchanged from 10 yrs ago when I started into CR. It is well above average, and rather than regale the list with tales of sexual prowess if you're curious I'll respond privately in as much gory detail as you can stand. I'm 37 now, started CR at 27. I'm visibly fit and muscular, with my bodyfat in the 3-5% area from skinfolds and Tanita. Here's some of yesterday's weightlifting workout, 8-20 reps per set depending on the exercise. I worked out for a bit over an hr. hyperextension:80lbs leg press:variable press, start=360lbs, end=660lbs leg extension:150lbs leg curl:140lbs shrugs:225lbs lat pulldown:160lbs incline press=180lbs flye=50lbs on each side military press=80lbs As you can see, I'm stronger than average, often outlifting 200lb plus people. My weights have been higher in the past(I once got a rep off at 835lbs on the leg press, a couple of years ago), but I have not been working out very regularly in the past year because of upheaval in my personal/work life. Here's a picture of me(sorry Francesca, no nudes available) picking my 15 year old daughter up from school, her back is to the camera. I'm slim but not scarily so, as someone put it at the CR conference last November. I'm a bit under 6', and my weight fluctuates around 140-145. Earlier this yr I popped up to 150, as my cals jumped to 1800/day when I had to relocate and my routines were disrupted. To put this in perspective relative to my genetics, my father and 2 brothers are the same height as I am but weigh from 180-220(all are pretty athletic/muscular but with a gut and some flab, my younger brother in particular looks like a somewhat out of shape heavyweight boxer). In fact, my mother and 3 sisters are all heavier than I am. I hope they're not reading this, or I'll get killed for publishing that. One thing that's helped me get so low in caloric intake is signing up for zoneperfect home food delivery 2 months ago, which is great because I detest preparing food, and now I can just reach into the fridge and grab something lo-cal and nutritious, and just supplement it with extra protein. I get the meals sized for a " small female " , which prompted some curiousity at zoneperfect about CR. I recently saw in the US Open tennis coverage that tennis star Davenport also has gets zoneperfect food delivered to her, and she is visibly much leaner than she has ever been as an adult. This probably won't help her get by both the sisters, but it should add a few yrs to her life(and her tennis career) if she keeps it up. Zoneperfect is quite expensive at $35/day but I recommend it to those to whom the price is worth the food prep time saved. > -----Original Message----- > From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [ ] Extreme vs. Moderate > > > Quantie: Tell us more. Are you emaciated or ripping with > muscles due to > your weight training? Any pictures available? Are you still > ahem....interested in some of things that make life more > interesting, such > as intimacy with the opposite sex? > > Your very high protein intake is quite unusual. Would you > say you're more > on an Atkins type diet? While Walford concedes people lose > weight on such > diets, he doesn't give it any high marks for overall health and/or > longevity. > > Of course, you're only one " mouse " . And a mouse that's on a seemingly > different type diet than the other mice. > > > on 9/5/2002 12:07 PM, Quantum Mechanic at > morphy@... wrote: > > > I would probably qualify as a rigorous long-term > practitioner(male, bit > > under 6' tall, my 10-year average is a bit under 1800, and > in the past month > > I've been experimenting with 1400 cals per day with good > results, we'll see > > how long that lasts.... ) and I don't have any of those > problems listed > > below. I have noticed that I keep a much higher protein > level than any of > > the other long-term practioners that I know of(I aim for > 50% of cals from > > protein), and I do heavy weight training to keep up muscle > mass and bone > > density. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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