RE: CR problems (was: CR, hormesisandmoderation)

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You asked how slow I took my weight loss. The

answer is a bit complicated. The bulk of my weight (about 45 pounds of fat) was

lost during my 1st year; alas it was not a CR year. It was a year of

starting from zero, and gradually working out more and more to the point of gaining

20# of muscle and finishing an Olympic length Triathlon in 2 hours and 40

minutes. The weight loss was too fast, the workouts were too excessive…

but I had none of these problems. The problems started a year later (that would

be the start of the 3rd year) when I started cutting and counting

calories, cutting my workouts to relatively none (100 minutes per week), and

loosing weight very slowly. My current weight loss is about 1 pound per month.

“Not reporting” is not “not

existing”, though you may be right. Everyone, please chime in with your

CR “problems”, if you have any.

Micky.

-----Original Message-----

From: Francesca Skelton

[mailto:fskelton@...]

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002

2:14 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] CR

problems (was: CR, hormesisandmoderation)

Micky: here is the key to what you said:

" You

> know of all the people in the main list that

damage their health in the

> name of CR. Do I need to say acute anemia,

osteoporosis with broken

> bones, anorexia, edema etc.? "

Yes, of course I am aware of all the problems

posted on the CR Society List.

But we haven't heard about them on this

list. Or at least nowhere to the

extent of the " extremists " on the

Society list. I think you're lumping the

lists together. To be honest, I have assumed

that moderate practitioners

and those who take it slow will be OK. As

you said in your first post,

there's a point at which CRON may be optimum and a

point where it might be

detrimental. However if moderate CRONIES do

have these problems, then it

would stand to reason that anyone out there on ANY

kind of diet would/should

also have these kinds of problems (since all that

CRON is after all - is a

low calorie, highly nutritious DIET).

Did you take it slow in your weight loss?

Many people are in a hurry and

lose too fast. The fact that many (most?)

moderates have NOT reported these

problems has to mean SOMETHING.

on 8/29/2002 4:31 PM, Micky Snir at

mickys@... wrote:

> Francesca, I have to disagree. Some of these

symptoms are simply weight

> loss symptoms (Baro-Reflex) and some are

known CR drawbacks (libido) and

> some where noticed in the biospherans (skin

problems). You're willing to

> bet worries me, because it might be a symptom

your mind " closing " . I'm

> especially worried since this being a support

group would suggest higher

> sensitivity to the dangers in CR. CR is

dangerous and you know it! You

> know of all the people in the main list that

damage their health in the

> name of CR. Do I need to say acute anemia, osteoporosis

with broken

> bones, anorexia, edema etc.?

>

>

>

> Yes, CR needs to be promoted and we need to

remind us all of how good CR

> is; but let's not forget the dangers.

>

>

>

> Micky.

>

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OK you two ~ don't make us stop this car! In reviewing your posts, I think that you two are actually agreeing with each other...moderation is the path to CRON enlightenment! Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Francesca Skelton

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:14 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] CR problems (was: CR, hormesisandmoderation)

Micky: here is the key to what you said: "You> know of all the people in the main list that damage their health in the> name of CR. Do I need to say acute anemia, osteoporosis with broken> bones, anorexia, edema etc.?"Yes, of course I am aware of all the problems posted on the CR Society List.But we haven't heard about them on this list. Or at least nowhere to theextent of the "extremists" on the Society list. I think you're lumping thelists together. To be honest, I have assumed that moderate practitionersand those who take it slow will be OK. As you said in your first post,there's a point at which CRON may be optimum and a point where it might bedetrimental. However if moderate CRONIES do have these problems, then itwould stand to reason that anyone out there on ANY kind of diet would/shouldalso have these kinds of problems (since all that CRON is after all - is alow calorie, highly nutritious DIET).Did you take it slow in your weight loss? Many people are in a hurry andlose too fast. The fact that many (most?) moderates have NOT reported theseproblems has to mean SOMETHING.on 8/29/2002 4:31 PM, Micky Snir at mickys@... wrote:> Francesca, I have to disagree. Some of these symptoms are simply weight> loss symptoms (Baro-Reflex) and some are known CR drawbacks (libido) and> some where noticed in the biospherans (skin problems). You're willing to> bet worries me, because it might be a symptom your mind "closing". I'm> especially worried since this being a support group would suggest higher> sensitivity to the dangers in CR. CR is dangerous and you know it! You> know of all the people in the main list that damage their health in the> name of CR. Do I need to say acute anemia, osteoporosis with broken> bones, anorexia, edema etc.?> > > > Yes, CR needs to be promoted and we need to remind us all of how good CR> is; but let's not forget the dangers.> > > > Micky.>