Re: Extreme CR (again) (was weighttraining--creatine study)

[Guest guest]

I’m listening…

The rats data shows that no exercise

extreme CR results in the longest living lab-rats. Being a non-rat non-lab thingy

myself, I’m for moderate CR and *MINIMAL*

physical activity. My reasoning for minimal physical activity is that CR is

stressful (on the body) enough as it is, and physical activity adds to this

stress and requires higher levels of maintenance (read: calories) just to fix

the “damage”, not to mention the extra calorie expenditure. Some people

from the “old school” are avid exercisers, but since the “new

school” of CR supposedly gives you the best health overall, including

cardio-vascular (CV) health, then exercise as a better-health method gets only

3 stars (out of 5, which CRON gets… on my scale).

That said, everyone has hir own

priorities. I for example would like to maintain as much muscle as possible,

though I accept the inevitable “shrinkage”… which is still in

progress (my wife is less enthusiastic…). I also believe that strength is

more important than CV fitness for health and in old age. Thus my workout

schedule is a total of 100 minutes per week, divided into 3 workouts of very-heavy

low-volume weight-lifting. I would have cut it down to 2 workouts per week if

my ad-lib workout partner would comply. I don’t do any aerobics because I

believe I get enough CV fitness from lifting weights (and CR!) and I feel it

would be a waste of calories for me. The rest of the week I virtually sit on my

butt and “rest”. (to put things in perspective: pre-CR I used to do

about 7 hours a week of extreme aerobics and about 7 hours a week of

weight-lifting).

Protein: Rae from the main list (which

I regard highly) provides evidence in favor of a high protein diet *especially* for CRONies. So I would say up

your protein regardless of your workouts, but mostly if you do workout. I get

about 175 grams of protein per day, out of 2000 calories.

Creatine: IMO it’s useless in the CRONie-weight-lifting

context (CRONies will not be monstrously big nor strong), but some consider it

a good supplement in the general health context. I supplement about 3 grams

about 3 times a week. Can’t say that I feel anything from using it. IIRC

the famous Alpha-Lipoic-Acid and Acetyl-L-Carnitine experiment also used Creatine

and Co-Q-10, but I’m not sure.

Micky.

-----Original Message-----

From: Francesca Skelton

[mailto:fskelton@...]

Sent: Tuesday,

September 03, 2002 4:32 PM

Subject: Re:

[ ]Extreme CR (again) (was weighttraining--creatine study)

Suz: I noticed this little gem from your post on

lifting weights. This

harkens back

to our little tete-a-tete on the list a few days ago about

extreme

CR. Micky are you listening? Suz, can you tell us where in

the

book Dr W

states this?

on 9/3/2002 7:11 PM, Suzanne Cart at

massuz@... wrote:

The same

goes for CR in general. Enough is enough and more isn't better.

> From my

rereadings of Dr. Walford's book, I'm hearing that the longest lived

> lab

animals are somewhat underweight, but not extremely so. This is where I

> try to

ride the line in my own CR, and in this condition, (snipped)

[Guest guest]

What I was calling your attention to was Suz's notice of a passage that the

longest lived rats are somwhat underweight but not extremely so - IOW a

testimonial from the man himself that extreme CR ain't such a hot idea. And

by inference that moderate CR (which is promoted on this list) IS the way to

go...........

on 9/3/2002 8:00 PM, Micky Snir at mickys@... wrote:

> I'm listening...