Re: Craving food and daily calories

[Guest guest]

> Also, is there a good way to gauge how many calories a day someone

should take in to be CR-ing?

I don't think so. Not unless you know your ad-lib calorie

consumption - if you know your ad-lib intake then you can figure how

much you are restricted from ad-lib. Many do not know their ad-lib

intake though. I would be curious as to how many calories you are

consuming, your age, and how tall you are etc. etc... just for

curiosities sake - but ultimately this is of limited use as everyone

is different. Hunger is certainly a good sign you are pretty calorie

restricted - especially hunger on a good diet. Hunger on a junk food

or on a less zonish (read ultra low fat) diet is *way* too easy to

achieve in my experience .

Some also recommend a lower limit on calories such as 1000 kcals for

instance which is not unreasonable as it is hard to get adequate

nutrition on less. However I don't doubt that many of the more

extreme male cronies eat what would be the equivalent of 1000 kcals a

day or less for a small female.

> Kathy

[Guest guest]

Kathy: as Joanne said, you'll have to tell us a bit more. How many

calories are you taking in? What is your diet like? Give us a typical

day's eating with approximate calorie intake.

FYI, we have many tips in the files to abate hunger, including harmless

appetite suppressants. However give us more info before we start

recommending anything else.

on 9/2/2002 12:32 AM, Kaleyna at kaleyna@... wrote:

> So for all of us newbies, how long did it take for your food cravings to

> subside? I don't think I've even cut back that much but I'm always thinking

> abut food and thinking I'm hungry right now.

>

> Also, is there a good way to gauge how many calories a day someone should take

> in to be CR-ing?

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

I am 5'2 1/2". I'm 41. Female. In my early/mid 20's I was 100-105 pounds (I was also an inch shorter!). I have a condition called polycystic ovarian syndrome that makes most women who have it very overweight but I didn't have the symptom. In my late 20's early 30's I started gaining some weight due to aging and being depressed in a bad marriage and that kicked in some of the other PCOS symptoms and right now I weigh around 138-140. I got down to about 129 or so around 5 years ago when I first got divorced but the weight has come back on. I had been a vegetarian for over 20 years but due to the higher protein needs and low carb requirement for people with PCOS I have just added back in some poultry and fish though I'm not sure if I'll be able to keep that up psychologically. I tried once before and even though I lost weight I felt bad emotionally. I'm still working on that. I cut out sugar almost a year ago (refined, artificial etc. I will still occasionally have something that has a little honey or molasses or rice syrup in it). I have cut out pretty much all grains except for this medical drink from my naturopath I have every once in a while that has rice protein and also every once in a while I have some rice flour based cookies and some low carb, all natural, no sugar chocolate chips. I just finished a detox through the naturopath which was a bit high carb for someone with PCOS and I gained some weight (to the 138-140 mark). I also did some food challenges and found I have problems with eggs, wheat, citrus, corn, peanuts. I found it very eye opening to see how some foods cause my body to react when it is in a cleaner flushed out state. It makes you think about how hard our bodies have to work when we eat foods we have no clue affect us badly because our body has learned to cover up the symptoms over time. Losing eggs was a blow. I gave up caffeine a couple of years ago. I drink water and I drink herb tea. Once in a blue moon I have a cup of hot cocoa made with lowfat vanilla almond milk and a tablespoon of plain baker's cocoa (unsweetened).

I've been using the free diet diary at www.calorieking.com for the past 2 days now. Saturday I had 1368 calories. Sunday I had 1262.

I think part of the issue when oyu first start is that you are constantly thinking about what oyu are eating and how many calories it has been and what you will ahv enext so it focuses your mind on food. I'm sure it gets easier one you are more used to portion size and frequency etc that keeps you at a good calorie level.

As to appetite suppressants, I try not to use anyhting that is artificial or the like. I can try drinking more water but I already drink lots of water and herb tea. I think once I get more used to how to eat this way I will be able to not dwell on fodo and hunger as much. I think much of any hunger at this point is psychological.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Kathy: You are eating very few calories. I eat between 1500-1700 a day,

for example. Even if you eventually get down that low later, you certainly

shouldn't start that low. Have you read BT120YD? Dr W suggests starting

out at a much higher level (I believe at 1800 cal a day). If you haven't

read the book, please do so before any tinkering with your health.

Very important: People have ruined their health by attempting to cut

calories too fast or too drastically. We veterans have seen it. Before the

influx of you new members because of the recent ABC TV show, we had a

valuable thread of discussions detailing the harm caused by the extremist

CRONIES. Go back to the August posts and read that thread. Just either go

to the home page and click on August 2002 and go to latter half of

August, or in the archive search box, search the word: Extreme or

Extremist. All this discussion took place just a week or so ago.

> I've been using the free diet diary at www.calorieking.com for the past 2 days

> now. Saturday I had 1368 calories. Sunday I had 1262.

>

> I think part of the issue when oyu first start is that you are constantly

> thinking about what oyu are eating and how many calories it has been and what

> you will ahv enext so it focuses your mind on food. I'm sure it gets easier

> one you are more used to portion size and frequency etc that keeps you at a

> good calorie level.

>

> As to appetite suppressants, I try not to use anyhting that is artificial or

> the like. I can try drinking more water but I already drink lots of water and

> herb tea. I think once I get more used to how to eat this way I will be able

> to not dwell on fodo and hunger as much. I think much of any hunger at this

> point is psychological.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>Kathy: You are eating very few calories. I eat between 1500-1700 a day,for example. Even if you eventually get down that low later, you certainlyshouldn't start that low. Have you read BT120YD? Dr W suggests startingout at a much higher level (I believe at 1800 cal a day). If you haven'tread the book, please do so before any tinkering with your health.

Wouldn't a lot depend on your sex, age and size? How tall are you? What is your body frame? I don't think I've actually cut back that drastically from what I was eating. I've cut back protion size a bit (to probably normal portion size ) and I have stopped snacking so much and mindlessly putting snacks in my mouth. How can there be a suggested starting point of 1800 for some guy who is 6' and big framed working construction and some guy who is 5'6" with a small build who sits at a computer all day? I find that a bit confusing. My stomach isn't growling and I don't feel tired or weak at all. I just am thinking about food a lot and thus feeling hungry. I really think it is much more psychological than anything else.

That CalorieKing site actually had a suggested daily calorie intake of 1300 and another site http://www.di8.co.uk/di8f.htm suggests 1238 calories a day (both of those are for a 1 pound a week loss rate). 1800 a day would be more than what the second site says I need to stay at 139!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

I should probably add that I have only been lightly active this week due to some things going on. When I go back to doing some kick boxing next week, I'll adjust that to moderately active on that second site and I think that will slightly raise the daily calories it suggests.

Kathy