Re: toxic metal in brain - any sure-fire test; undoing wrong chelation

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm reposting this message as I dont see it appearing on the list.

Pardon me if you get this message twice.

On 1/29/06, gol sun <golsun@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi,

>

> My son had a toxic metal urine challenge test done by Doctor's Data Lab

> (there's a DDi sign on the report) & the result came back showing he has

> high arsenic & normal on other metals (including mercury, lead, etc).

>

> A DAN dr told me (as well as what I've read) that usually if the kid has

> arsenic, it's likely the kid has mercury as well, just that the body (or

> the brain??) is holding on strongly to the mercury & thus it did not show

> on the test. My then 4 yo son's urine was collected first unprovoked &

> then provoked with 2 capsules x 3 times of DMSA over a 24 hours

> period (I'm mentioning this here to see if anyone has any comments on

> whether what the practitioner prescribe it right) & then his urine

> collected again 24 hours after the 3rd dose of DMSA.

>

> Below are the results (done in Apr 2005):

>

> Results (microgm/gram Creat). Note: <dl means less than detection limit

>

> Aluminium : <dl

> Antimony : <dl

> Arsenic : 310 (ref range: <130)

> ... left out others that are low ...

>

> Cadmium : 0.4 (ref range: <2)

> Lead : 2.4 (ref range: <5)

> Mercury : 3 (ref range: <5)

> Nickel : 12 (ref range: <15)

> Thallium : 0.1 (ref range: <1)

> Tin : 0.9 (ref range: <15)

> Tungsten : 0.3 (ref range: <1.5)

> Uranium : <dl (ref range: < 0.2)

>

> Creatinine result (mg/dL) : 80 (ref range: 25-180)

> Method : ICP - M8

> Is there a sure-fire way to tell if the brain has unhealthy

> amounts of toxic metals in it? He has done a hair test

> before when he's 3 yrs old but Trace Elements Inc (not

> a well-known lab) which showed he has normal levels

> of mercury & lead (arsenic probably not covered by the

> test). I've heard that even DDi's hair test may fail to show

> the toxic metals in the brain??

>

>

> Second question :

> Suppose we have done chelation wrongly, how can we undo

>

that mistake or how can we know if harm(like metals redistribution,

>

esp toxic metals being deposited into the brain) have been done?

> Can we now, say give ALA now every 3hourly & observe his

>

behaviour for any improvements or perform some kind of ALA-

provoked urine metal challenge test? I've heard of DMSA-provoked

urine test but not one of ALA.

>

>

> Tks

>

>

[Guest guest]

The only sure-fire test to determine mercury in human tissue is

called an autopsy, and I don't recommend getting one just to find

out. Otherwise, there is no way to do it and live.

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > My son had a toxic metal urine challenge test done by Doctor's

Data Lab

> > (there's a DDi sign on the report) & the result came back showing

he has

> > high arsenic & normal on other metals (including mercury, lead,

etc).

> >

> > A DAN dr told me (as well as what I've read) that usually if the

kid has

> > arsenic, it's likely the kid has mercury as well, just that the

body (or

> > the brain??) is holding on strongly to the mercury & thus it did

not show

> > on the test. My then 4 yo son's urine was collected first

unprovoked &

> > then provoked with 2 capsules x 3 times of DMSA over a 24 hours

> > period (I'm mentioning this here to see if anyone has any

comments on

> > whether what the practitioner prescribe it right) & then his urine

> > collected again 24 hours after the 3rd dose of DMSA.

> >

> > Below are the results (done in Apr 2005):

> >

> > Results (microgm/gram Creat). Note: <dl means less than

detection limit

> >

> > Aluminium : <dl

> > Antimony : <dl

> > Arsenic : 310 (ref range: <130)

> > ... left out others that are low ...

> >

> > Cadmium : 0.4 (ref range: <2)

> > Lead : 2.4 (ref range: <5)

> > Mercury : 3 (ref range: <5)

> > Nickel : 12 (ref range: <15)

> > Thallium : 0.1 (ref range: <1)

> > Tin : 0.9 (ref range: <15)

> > Tungsten : 0.3 (ref range: <1.5)

> > Uranium : <dl (ref range: < 0.2)

> >

> > Creatinine result (mg/dL) : 80 (ref range: 25-180)

> > Method : ICP - M8

> > Is there a sure-fire way to tell if the brain has unhealthy

> > amounts of toxic metals in it? He has done a hair test

> > before when he's 3 yrs old but Trace Elements Inc (not

> > a well-known lab) which showed he has normal levels

> > of mercury & lead (arsenic probably not covered by the

> > test). I've heard that even DDi's hair test may fail to show

> > the toxic metals in the brain??

> >

> >

> > Second question :

> > Suppose we have done chelation wrongly, how can we undo

> >

> that mistake or how can we know if harm(like metals redistribution,

> >

> esp toxic metals being deposited into the brain) have been done?

>

> > Can we now, say give ALA now every 3hourly & observe his

> >

> behaviour for any improvements or perform some kind of ALA-

> provoked urine metal challenge test? I've heard of DMSA-provoked

> urine test but not one of ALA.

>

> >

> >

> > Tks

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gol Sun

You can use a Hair Elements Profile test from DDI (and then apply

the " counting rules " - look in the files) to test for metals. This

test can be ordered without a doctor from Direct Labs if you wish

(again, the information is in the files). You can also use a

template (in the files -- do I sound like a broken record?) :-) to

post hair test results, and someone will help you intrepret them. In

the end, though, the only way to know for sure if metals are the

issue is to do some rounds of chelation (some say 4-5 rounds, a few

have gone to 20 or perhaps more) using a careful protocol and observe

results.

Many on this list do not consider urine tests to be useful or

accurate, and provoked challenge tests can also be dangerous. They

are yet another form of bad chelation. Please do not try a challenge

test with ALA, you may put your child at further risk.

Not an expert on undoing previous chelation damage, but I would say

that a rest period (while you get the hair test and introduce the

antioxidants and other supplements necessary for chelation) before a

new trial of chelation (using the low-dose protocol developed by Andy

Cutler) would be sufficient. Others may correct me on this if I'm

wrong.

Please spend some time finding out about this protocol. Don't be

afraid to ask questions, and read, read, read. You will find most of

what you need to know is already readily available.

take care

René

>

>Hi,

> >

> > My son had a toxic metal urine challenge test done by Doctor's

Data Lab

> > (there's a DDi sign on the report) & the result came back showing

he has

> > high arsenic & normal on other metals (including mercury, lead,

etc).

> >

I've heard that even DDi's hair test may fail to show

> > the toxic metals in the brain??

> >

> >

> > Second question :

> > Suppose we have done chelation wrongly, how can we undo

> >

> that mistake or how can we know if harm(like metals redistribution,

> >

> esp toxic metals being deposited into the brain) have been done?

>

> > Can we now, say give ALA now every 3hourly & observe his

> >

> behaviour for any improvements or perform some kind of ALA-

> provoked urine metal challenge test? I've heard of DMSA-provoked

> urine test but not one of ALA.

>

> >

> >

> > Tks

> >

> >

>

>

>