Re: Re: 42 and about 80 lbs over weight

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Bob: I agree with most of your recommendations (which are echoed in the " CR

Made Easy " file in 5 easy steps), except for:

1. Including game meats (as many members have said) are fine - low fat, lots

of good protein.

2. Many members have found the free software to be of great benefit to

them. There's no harm in trying it (or in downloading the free demo at the

Walford site and trying that before plunking down your money). Not all of

us have the money to put into these tools, and for those people, the

freebies are a boon. Wasn't it you who said we all have to find our own

way? Personally I don't use any of the software; I like to keep things

simple and I also don't want to become obsessed with food (as many CRONIES

seem to become). Nevertheless I have been a successful CRONIE by all

measurements and tests.

3. All new members of the support list are sent a " resources " list which

includes a pointer to the main list. However, as evidenced by recent posts

there, it's certainly not for everyone.

on 6/22/2002 1:27 AM, papilio28570 at papilio28570@... wrote:

> Hello ,

>

> You're slim compared to others who have begun this change in

> lifestyle. First, I would get Walford's new book as it has new info

> in it and it would be good to refresh your memory anyway. Second, I

> would purchase the software too as opposed to downloading the free

> software because I like to be able to enter my own recipes into the

> data base. Third, I would make a resolution that you just aren't

> going to put garbage in your body anymore. Resolve yourself to

> eating more healthful foods with less calories. Forget beef and

> pork except for an occassional stir fry dinner...occassional like

> once a month. Start eating fish and skinless chicken...no more than

> one breast portion. Learn to love vegetables. Eat all you want

> just don't cook them too much...crisp tender. Forget potatoes, rice

> and pasta except occassionally...like once a week for one of those

> not all three. Eat a really filling nutritious breakfast to get you

> through most of the work day. Fourth, remember this isn't a diet,

> it is a permanent change in the way you eat. Fifth, don't worry

> about weight. Concentrate on eating healthier, the weight will take

> care of itself. Sixth, get a physical to have a record of your body

> now and to make sure you don't have any disease you should be aware

> of...high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, others. Seventh, check

> in with the web site everynight to stay connected also see the main

> list for more science oriented topics at:

>

> crsociety

>

> Welcome and best of luck.

>

> Bob

>

>

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>> Hello, I'm new to the group.

>>

>> I read 120yr Diet in the mid 80's and played around with CRON a

> bit then. Now I'm 42 and about 80 lbs over weight (6' 2 " , 265lbs.).

> It seems like yesterday, well maybe last year that I was 18 yrs. old

> and 189 lbs.

>>

>> My interest in CRON is back, age has changed my perspective.

>>

>> Does anyone in the group have experience with starting CRON from a

> point of being as overweight as I am? Your perspective will be

> appreciated.

>>

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Bob wrote:

> I didn't include game meat as I am opposed to hunting animals in the

> wild. Perhaps range fed would be a nice compromise :-)

Nowadays Fresh Fields and other health food stores sell ostrich, bison etc.

No need to go shoot it yourself.

My other points Bob are that people who are turned off to CR by either

making it unnecessarily complicated (either software wise or " science " wise

or by people on lists who are rude) don't gain anything. Keeping it simple

DOES work and not just for me, but for others. Even the most intelligent

people on BOTH lists agree that keeping calories low is key. Not that I'm

dissing the ON part of CR but for those that worry they are " missing "

something, they can always take a vitamin/mineral pill. KISS, keep it

simple.

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The "ON" of "CRON" may not be significant in the short term and can be put on hold until beginners get a feel for whether they can deal with the dietary restriction part of the life style.

But, and this is a big but (not a big butt), anyone seriously pursuing caloric restriction for extended periods of time needs to analyze their diet with DWIDP or some equivalent program. As several CRONies on the other list have experienced unexpected deficiencies.

Taking a simple vitamin/mineral pill is one of those things that probably couldn't hurt, but should not be relied upon as a "total" solution. Deficiencies experienced by CRONies included iron and salt, not routinely supplemented and more commonly worried about when over consumed. I doubt that we have a perfect understanding of nutrition, let alone RDAs for CR. Also increases in fiber consumption etc, can affect bioavailability of nutrients so in addition to review of intake, follow-up blood testing has value. Measure twice, eat once.

I applaud KISS for beginners, but deep CR should not be taken lightly. FWIW I doubt the majority of obese ad libbers are getting optimal nutrition either... rant over

JR

-----Original Message-----From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: 42 and about 80 lbs over weightBob wrote:> I didn't include game meat as I am opposed to hunting animals in the> wild. Perhaps range fed would be a nice compromise :-)Nowadays Fresh Fields and other health food stores sell ostrich, bison etc.No need to go shoot it yourself.My other points Bob are that people who are turned off to CR by eithermaking it unnecessarily complicated (either software wise or "science" wiseor by people on lists who are rude) don't gain anything. Keeping it simpleDOES work and not just for me, but for others. Even the most intelligentpeople on BOTH lists agree that keeping calories low is key. Not that I'mdissing the ON part of CR but for those that worry they are "missing"something, they can always take a vitamin/mineral pill. KISS, keep itsimple.

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on 6/23/2002 10:56 AM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:

> I applaud KISS for beginners, but deep CR should not be taken lightly. FWIW I

> doubt the majority of obese ad libbers are getting optimal nutrition either...

> rant over

>

> JR

Agreed. In any case, either SOME CR or better ON is better than nothing. I

agree that " deep " Cr in another case entirely but we're talking about

newbies here who should start slowly not drastically.

What the heck does FWIW mean? I thought I had heard all the acrynonyms.....

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Sorry about that.............. FWIW means "For What It's Worth"

JR

-----Original Message-----From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: 42 and about 80 lbs over weighton 6/23/2002 10:56 AM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:> I applaud KISS for beginners, but deep CR should not be taken lightly. FWIW I> doubt the majority of obese ad libbers are getting optimal nutrition either...> rant over> > JRAgreed. In any case, either SOME CR or better ON is better than nothing. Iagree that "deep" Cr in another case entirely but we're talking aboutnewbies here who should start slowly not drastically.What the heck does FWIW mean? I thought I had heard all the acrynonyms.....