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In a message dated 13/01/2006 04:45:14 GMT Standard Time, ratlenhum@...

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Can he have a yeast issue and still have totally normal BMs?

>>>Yes, the better you get at controlling things the harder it is to tell

physically IME.

Mandi in UK

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In a message dated 13/01/2006 07:54:05 GMT Standard Time,

jamiegolf99@... writes:

CAN IT GO UNNOTICED? B/C YOUNGER ONE NOT VERBAL ENOUGH TO TELL ME

WHAT IS HAPPENNING HE HAS THE STIMMING BUT NO BAD BMS AND I REALLY

WANT TO TREAT IF NEED BE BUT NOT IF DONT HAVE TO WHICH MAY EVEN

CAUSE YEAST HUH? WHATS A MOM TO DO???

>>>When in doubt I use onne candex at night. IF he pees the bed, thats die

off and then I know to treat. If he is fine I just leave things as they are. I

cannot tell from BM's for a couple of years now and in past year most

behaviours have gone too - its very subtle, usually risk taking and the odd

giggle

Mandi in UK

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> My son's BMs are so perfect for the first time ever but he's got

signs of

> yeast like heavy stimming/inappropriate laughing (unless this ist

strictly from

> MB12).

>

> Can he have a yeast issue and still have totally normal BMs? Do

yeast and

> bad BMs have to go hand in hand?

>

> thanks

> Kerrie

YAH I HAVE BEEN WONDERING THE SAME THING? MY OLDEST RECOVERED CHILD

TELLS ME " I JUST CANT STOP LAUGHING, I CANT HELP IT. " BUT NO OTHER

SIGNS OF YEAST AND HE HASNT HAD AN EPISODE IN YEARS BUT NOW I WONDER

CAN IT GO UNNOTICED? B/C YOUNGER ONE NOT VERBAL ENOUGH TO TELL ME

WHAT IS HAPPENNING HE HAS THE STIMMING BUT NO BAD BMS AND I REALLY

WANT TO TREAT IF NEED BE BUT NOT IF DONT HAVE TO WHICH MAY EVEN

CAUSE YEAST HUH? WHATS A MOM TO DO???

>

>

>

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> My son's BMs are so perfect for the first time ever but he's got

signs of

> yeast like heavy stimming/inappropriate laughing (unless this ist

strictly from

> MB12).

mB12 caused yeast for my kids, so might be both.

> Can he have a yeast issue and still have totally normal BMs? Do

yeast and

> bad BMs have to go hand in hand?

Once my son was fully chelated, he never had bad bms from yeast.

However, lots of interventions I have done SINCE chelation, like B6,

B12, anti-virals, etc, have caused yeast in his HEAD, not in his GUT,

so he definitely had yeast and it responded to GSE and other yeast

remedies, but it never showed in his bm.

Dana

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> YAH I HAVE BEEN WONDERING THE SAME THING? MY OLDEST RECOVERED CHILD

> TELLS ME " I JUST CANT STOP LAUGHING, I CANT HELP IT. "

My #1 one day was sitting on the couch and he started giggling in the

same way that #2 did for yeast. I thought it was #2 and was very

surprised that it was #1. I asked him why he was giggling and he told

me his stomach tickled and he couln't help laughing. I gave him GSE

and it went away.

>>BUT NO OTHER

> SIGNS OF YEAST AND HE HASNT HAD AN EPISODE IN YEARS BUT NOW I WONDER

> CAN IT GO UNNOTICED?

If you are looking only at bms, yes it can go unnoticed. There are

LOTS of behavioral and non-bm physical symptoms of yeast overgrowth

that I am always watching for.

> WANT TO TREAT IF NEED BE BUT NOT IF DONT HAVE TO WHICH MAY EVEN

> CAUSE YEAST HUH? WHATS A MOM TO DO???

Usually if you try to treat yeast when there is none, it will cause a

bad bacteria problem. This is not as likely to happen if you use

probiotics or Candidase [or similar enzyme], altho it can still

happen. However, any bacteria issue that you might cause, would be

much less of an issue than if you tried GSE or something similar to that.

Dana

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Kerrie,

I think inappropriate laughing can also be high phenol (I'm sure

Dana has said something already). The only time my son did this was

after eating a few red grapes as a toddler. I am pretty sure he

already had a yeast issue at the time, but the laughing behavior was

not a regular thing.

If the mB12 contains folinic or folic acid, that can also cause

behavior changes and stimming. The mB12 can do it, too.

I can imagine yeast can be a systemic issue without causing diarrhea

or constipation. Each child is vastly different.

I would not hesitate to treat yeast (to address the response in

caps). Like low zinc, it seems so many of our kids have yeast

overgrowth as an issue in varying degrees. If you choose a non-

agressive approach to yeast overgrowth, I wouldn't expect it would

do any harm. Consider it an experiment (another experiment!).

Someone please correct me if my thinking is wrong. I don't have a

sensitive child, so I don't have to be extra careful with everything

I do. I *do* have the situation where my son really doesn't respond

to interventions much, period!!! I wish I could find that

combination of biomedicine that worked. I am so ready for a WOW.

Right now, ALA seems to be our answer. Patience has never been my

virtue.

Happy investigating.

Pam

> >

> > My son's BMs are so perfect for the first time ever but he's

got

> signs of

> > yeast like heavy stimming/inappropriate laughing (unless this

ist

> strictly from

> > MB12).

> >

> > Can he have a yeast issue and still have totally normal BMs? Do

> yeast and

> > bad BMs have to go hand in hand?

> >

> > thanks

> > Kerrie

>

> YAH I HAVE BEEN WONDERING THE SAME THING? MY OLDEST RECOVERED

CHILD

> TELLS ME " I JUST CANT STOP LAUGHING, I CANT HELP IT. " BUT NO OTHER

> SIGNS OF YEAST AND HE HASNT HAD AN EPISODE IN YEARS BUT NOW I

WONDER

> CAN IT GO UNNOTICED? B/C YOUNGER ONE NOT VERBAL ENOUGH TO TELL ME

> WHAT IS HAPPENNING HE HAS THE STIMMING BUT NO BAD BMS AND I REALLY

> WANT TO TREAT IF NEED BE BUT NOT IF DONT HAVE TO WHICH MAY EVEN

> CAUSE YEAST HUH? WHATS A MOM TO DO???

> >

> >

> >

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> Can he have a yeast issue and still have totally normal BMs? Do

yeast and

> bad BMs have to go hand in hand?

Not IME. I spent a good year inspecting all of n's poops and he

very rarely had weird-looking ones, even when his yeast was terrible.

Nell

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> Someone please correct me if my thinking is wrong. I don't have a

> sensitive child, so I don't have to be extra careful with everything

> I do. I *do* have the situation where my son really doesn't respond

> to interventions much, period!!! I wish I could find that

> combination of biomedicine that worked. I am so ready for a WOW.

I may have had my WOW lightbulb event late yesterday, but because it

was so late in the day [5pm], I could not fully implement it until

this morning. I did, however, do a partial last night when I got

home, and I noticed an improvement within 30 minutes, so I am hopeful.

*If* this works, it will be worth writing up a site update for

posting tomorrow!

Now admittedly, my son's body was sooooo screwed up that I personally

believe that this is not the " magic bullet " , it is just the " last

thing he required " . And anything I did last would have been the key.

But right now I am sooooooo excited because #3 is already responding

and it has been only about 20 minutes so far.

Several things [usually NOT the DAN-recommended things] have caused

noticeable and even significant improvement. But nothing has been

WOW. It has been almost 7 years. My #2 will be age 10 in two months,

which is a significant birthday for my husband. I am ready for the

end....

Dana

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> But right now I am sooooooo excited because #3 is already responding

> and it has been only about 20 minutes so far.

OK Dana way to leave us hanging! What is it????

Nell

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> > But right now I am sooooooo excited because #3 is already responding

> > and it has been only about 20 minutes so far.

>

> OK Dana way to leave us hanging! What is it????

>

> Nell

Well, as is typical for my son, I now need to tweek his current

supplements for the full effect. And today I am running out of time

for the internet, so I can't give you the full story, but basically,

the bottom line is that high doses of folic acid is wonderful for

eliminating scripting/echolalia [it worked in 30 minutes!], plus it

helps other language issues also.

Who would have thought that biotin, folic acid, and vitamin C would

have helped my son significantly with language, whereas mB12 and EFAs

only caused a small improvement??!

Anti-virals are also VERY important for my son. Someone sent me a

really excellent success story about OLE entirely normalizing her

child within a few months. I am including that story on my site also.

Tomorrow is a holiday, so I hope to type up something and post it then.

Dana

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