RE: sleep (was: Personal stories ofphysiological andpsychological improvements)

[Guest guest]

It's 400+ pages and I learned quite a bit from reading it that was news to me... I would even encourage people who don't have sleep "problems" to read it. The only short take that I might offer is that sleep apnea seems to correlate with being overweight so al least cronies might be spared that.

Since reading the book I've seen reports suggesting that sleep debt causes mild inflammation. fwiw

JR

-----Original Message-----From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [ ] sleep (was: Personal stories ofphysiological andpsychological improvements): thanks for the reminder about that book. It's been mentioned on thelist before. Can you (or anyone else who has read it) give a short summaryon anything *new* in Dement's book that's not in the standard literature. Iand a couple of others with sleep problems on the list have tried just abouteverything there is to try.on 9/14/2002 9:00 PM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:> If you have sleep problems I hope you've already read "the promise of sleep"> by Dement.> > I don't know about CR. I do feel good after exercising, and prefer being> thin rather than fat. Regarding an enhanced sense of well being... nah, I> only feel better than I imagine I would...> > JR> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 3:01 PM> > Subject: Re: [ ] Personal stories of physiological> andpsychological improvements after CRON> > > I recently posted an update. See> /message/4143> > As I said in that post, I wish I were one of the Cronies with an enhanced> feeling of well-being. I'm not. I also still have sleep problems on and> off. I started CRON in later adulthood (as did Walford) and am a moderate> practitioner. I'd love to hear updates from other veterans as to any> benefits to sleep or an enhanced sense of well-being. Perhaps there's> something I'm missing, and although I think I've covered all my bases,> there's always something new to learn.> > on 9/14/2002 2:36 PM, ran7972002 at Jammer7@... wrote:> >> Anybody wanna give some personal success stories on improvements to>> mind and body after being on CRON for any length of time?

[Guest guest]

By " sleep problems " , i wonder what exactly people mean.

BTW- re sodium vs. need to arise at night - i tried a 1-rat experiment last

week. The sodium

delivery vehicle was seaweed sheet, a Japanese food found in the Asian-foods

section of

some stores. I usually only buy this when i develop a craving for salt -

otherwise i use NO

salt, and am super-religious about scrutinizing prepared food labels and

rejecting anything

with added salt - which means just about every prepared food. So i would

guess my sodium

intake is in 2 digits for the day. Anyway, this recent week with the package

of seaweed, i

experienced leg cramps at night as i have not for many months. Now, exercise

can do this

also, but i have been taking it easy lately - so i have to rule that out.

One night i thought i

would try the sodium experiment some others had talked of trying - seeing if

sodium added

at night would remove any need to arise to urinate. I don't know if it had

that effect- but i

did experience the worst leg cramps i have had in many, many months, many

months. The

leg cramps actually continued a while, even while i was standing up, which

sort of blew my

mind- a leg cramp not responding to the usual measure. This is a 1-rat

experiment and so,

not convincing except to the 1 rat, who is also not totally convinced but

has no desire to

experience the experiment again. Anyway, it had been in the back of my mind

for a long

time that salt intake correlates with nighttime leg cramps - i am not

convinced enuff to

swear by it, but if someone complained of nighttime leg cramps, i would

certainly suggest

to minimize all salt, even salt that sneaks into one via the trojan horse

route of sodium

copiously added to prepared foods - breads, lima beans, frozen, jar or

canned foods of

all kinds - you have to read those labels like a used car buying contract.

I " think " i have had some relief from, when i in the past developed leg

cramps at night,

getting up and drinking 1/2 glass of water with 1/2 package (or more) of

this product,

EmergenC - by Alacer - has an interesting form of vitamin C and mineral

ascorbates and

substantial potassium. I say 1/2 glass of water, because a full glass might

only give you

another reason to half to get up, within a short while, because the C

product can work

kinda as a diuretic, and i say 1/2 package because that is the minimum that

is effective,

and more is okay but may make the flavor too acidic for the taste. I have no

stake in

this company, Alacer, i simply like this product. As the saying goes, YMMV.

It has

seemed to work for me in the past - to dissipate the cramps faster, if

they're so bad i

have to arise because of them - and also seemingly to prevent them recurring

the same

night. But, this has not always worked - so either i am imagining it worked

at all, or

there may be complicating factors, or maybe if exercise has done something

that is

more serious than usual -.

Anyway, at this location, the sodium vs. nocturia experiment has been

terminated.

Hue