Re: Extreme CR problems (was: CR, hormesisandmoderation)

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Dear Group, sorry about the typo/spelling errors in my last post...a CRON issue perhaps? Or maybe just a little too rushed. Anyway, on a serious note; to those of you who have experienced a reduction o in bone density, has anyone considered weightlifting? I'm not kidding (and yes I am an avid lifter), I have a friend, female early fifties, who was diagnosed with osteoporosis. She started a consistent course of lifting and increased her bone density by some incredible percentage. I am talking about an increase in the 25-30% range over the course of one year! Just a thought...and by the way, I am scheduling a physical next month (Chele is driving me crazy ~ she doesn't thing a bicentennial physical is good enough...women!) and I will make sure to get a bone scan so that I can keep tabs on how CRON affects density in those of us who lift weights consistently.., might be interesting. Dave

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From: Francesca Skelton

Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:04 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]Extreme CR problems (was: CR, hormesisandmoderation)

ROFLMSKO (Rolling etc. my skinny ass off). I am a moderate practitionerannnnd - have never noticed low testosterone levels :-))))I do have osteopenia. BUT I'm shall we say "of an age" and in a high riskgroup (and have other possible causes rather than CR). Some of the otherswith osteopenia are men in their 30's who also have the testosterone levelsof a 90 year old geyser.We have not noted a trend that the more moderate practitioners have any ofthese problems. Also the Okinawans, the "living lab' for CR, who aremoderate practitioners, don't seem to have these problems.Oh yes, a couple of other "side effects" I forgot to mention:*feeling cold all the time (my own take on that is: no insulation or bodyfat)*inability to sit comfortably (such as on an airplane) due to skinny tushsyndromeon 8/28/2002 1:53 PM, Dave Noel at davenoel@... wrote:> I heard that they were going to test at least one of these results in the> laboratory, but unfortunately the control mice kept slipping out of there> bikinis...ruined the entire experiment!> > If you get ANY information about these problematic results of CRON, please> post them. I guess the more important question is whether or not any of these> issues have been experienced by those practicing a more moderate level of> CRON. Perhaps we can have the wives or practitioners in the group respond ~> anonymously of course! Dave> ----- Original Message -----> From: Hipp> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:33 AM> Subject: Re: [ ]Extreme CR problems (was: CR, hormesis> andmoderation)> > > Here's a question I've never seen answer to ...> > Of the symptoms/problems below, presumably caused by CR, how many of them> have ever been seen in the research with rats & mice?> > My impression is that few have been seen in rats & mice. If so, this would> force the question of applicability of that research to humans or at least> require some thought of how to avoid the problems.> > Thoughts?> > > ----- Original Message -----> From: "Francesca Skelton" <fskelton@...>> < >> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:58 AM> Subject: Re: [ ]Extreme CR problems (was: CR, hormesis> andmoderation)> > >> Dave: AFA I know, the problems reported are not chronicled in any one> place.>> Some of the more "extremist" practitioners have reported:>> >> osteopenia and outright osteoporosis,>> low testosterone levels (meaning virtually no sex life),>> anemia,>> edema as reported today by crdude,>> irritability and crankiness,>> foggy memory and thinking>> >> ........had enough? If I've left out any, perhops others will add.> Anyway>> hopefully that should be enough to scare you away from extremism. Mind> you,>> I'm talking about 6' tall men who are weighing in at 115-130 lbs.>> Concentration camp thin, I call it.> > > > >

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Think - not "thing". You know what it is, don't you? All this talk about plummeting testosterone levels is affecting my mind!

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From: Dave Noel

Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]Extreme CR problems (was: CR, hormesisandmoderation)

Dear Group, sorry about the typo/spelling errors in my last post...a CRON issue perhaps? Or maybe just a little too rushed. Anyway, on a serious note; to those of you who have experienced a reduction o in bone density, has anyone considered weightlifting? I'm not kidding (and yes I am an avid lifter), I have a friend, female early fifties, who was diagnosed with osteoporosis. She started a consistent course of lifting and increased her bone density by some incredible percentage. I am talking about an increase in the 25-30% range over the course of one year! Just a thought...and by the way, I am scheduling a physical next month (Chele is driving me crazy ~ she doesn't thing a bicentennial physical is good enough...women!) and I will make sure to get a bone scan so that I can keep tabs on how CRON affects density in those of us who lift weights consistently.., might be interesting. Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Francesca Skelton

Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:04 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]Extreme CR problems (was: CR, hormesisandmoderation)

ROFLMSKO (Rolling etc. my skinny ass off). I am a moderate practitionerannnnd - have never noticed low testosterone levels :-))))I do have osteopenia. BUT I'm shall we say "of an age" and in a high riskgroup (and have other possible causes rather than CR). Some of the otherswith osteopenia are men in their 30's who also have the testosterone levelsof a 90 year old geyser.We have not noted a trend that the more moderate practitioners have any ofthese problems. Also the Okinawans, the "living lab' for CR, who aremoderate practitioners, don't seem to have these problems.Oh yes, a couple of other "side effects" I forgot to mention:*feeling cold all the time (my own take on that is: no insulation or bodyfat)*inability to sit comfortably (such as on an airplane) due to skinny tushsyndromeon 8/28/2002 1:53 PM, Dave Noel at davenoel@... wrote:> I heard that they were going to test at least one of these results in the> laboratory, but unfortunately the control mice kept slipping out of there> bikinis...ruined the entire experiment!> > If you get ANY information about these problematic results of CRON, please> post them. I guess the more important question is whether or not any of these> issues have been experienced by those practicing a more moderate level of> CRON. Perhaps we can have the wives or practitioners in the group respond ~> anonymously of course! Dave> ----- Original Message -----> From: Hipp> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:33 AM> Subject: Re: [ ]Extreme CR problems (was: CR, hormesis> andmoderation)> > > Here's a question I've never seen answer to ...> > Of the symptoms/problems below, presumably caused by CR, how many of them> have ever been seen in the research with rats & mice?> > My impression is that few have been seen in rats & mice. If so, this would> force the question of applicability of that research to humans or at least> require some thought of how to avoid the problems.> > Thoughts?> > > ----- Original Message -----> From: "Francesca Skelton" <fskelton@...>> < >> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:58 AM> Subject: Re: [ ]Extreme CR problems (was: CR, hormesis> andmoderation)> > >> Dave: AFA I know, the problems reported are not chronicled in any one> place.>> Some of the more "extremist" practitioners have reported:>> >> osteopenia and outright osteoporosis,>> low testosterone levels (meaning virtually no sex life),>> anemia,>> edema as reported today by crdude,>> irritability and crankiness,>> foggy memory and thinking>> >> ........had enough? If I've left out any, perhops others will add.> Anyway>> hopefully that should be enough to scare you away from extremism. Mind> you,>> I'm talking about 6' tall men who are weighing in at 115-130 lbs.>> Concentration camp thin, I call it.> > > > >