Re: Re: Extreme CR problems (was: CR, hormesisand moderation)

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You thought I was going to respond to that "fuzzy thinking" comment didn't you ~ HA! You can't suck me in, even if you were talking about me! Hey, does extreme CRONing cause paranoia too?

So I've heard enough about the risks associated with XCRONing, how about some good news. Has anyone in this group, with some history of practicing CRON i.e. a year or more, had good results in terms of health, biomarkers, general well-being. Although I always ate well, I have been following CRON guidelines for only 20 days and could always use some motivation in order to ignore that Good Humor Man's incessant bell ringing outside! Just in case (and I hope this is the case) everyone has a story of positive results, feel free to respond off list so as not to clog the list up. How old IS the oldest CRON practitioner in the group anyway? I would be really interested in that person's results. Thanks, Dave davenoel@...

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From: Francesca Skelton

Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:24 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Extreme CR problems (was: CR, hormesisand moderation)

Mickey and Joe: first of all, my hat is off to Mickey for his healthyquestioning of what he's seeing. But I'd like to add to Joe's mention ofevidence that we also have the example of a human population: the Okinawans,who live longer and healthier. However, they practise CR in moderation andNOT to the extreme.I question also (sticking my own neck out here) whether the extremism causesan abnormal mental behavioral change (and I disagree that extremism is seenon this list; at least not to the degree as on the Society list) . Does theextreme CR lead to the fanaticism and fervor you talk about? Or, perhaps CRattracts people who are already obsessive in their behavior?After all we know there are some mental effects such as irritability andfuzzy thinking in some individuals, so it's not such a stretch.on 8/28/2002 3:44 PM, joesmad2001 at fernaj@... wrote:> Micky,>......... While the human evidence is weaker> than rat data regarding CR and life extension, I think we can safely> say that CR would prolong life in humans. Let's not forget the other> encouraging evidence from Rhesus monkeys and I believe here was a> study lengthening canine life through calories restricion.> > My interest in the 120 year diet is the ON part, life extension is> great if it works but the ON will unarguably improve the quality of> what life you have.> Jpe> > >> While I'm on a roll, I'd like to share with you some more CR> thoughts.>> Both as an observer and as a practitioner, I notice some worrying>> "religious" like symptoms regarding practice of CR. (please, no> offense>> for religious people, but it seems to me so easier to explain it in>> these terms. CR and religion also have good sides, obviously).......>>