Re: chat question (AL acid/ L-carnitine)

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The Capsule Machine is a trial to use. It consists of four parts: a stand,

a bottom piece which holds the larger half of the capsule, a spreader

(similar to a playing card), a tamper, and a top pieces which holds the

upper half of the capsule. I've found that filling the capsules (e.g. the

bottom) part is straight forward, and the tamper ensures that the capsule

is " full. " I use 500mg capsules, but did not receive any information on

what actually constitutes the full volume (guess I should measure it some

time!.) The problem that I have is pressing the top piece (containing the

other half of the capsules) down onto the bottom piece. It is suppose to

press the two halves together perfectly, then allow the full capsule to be

easily pushed out from the bottom piece. (about 25 at a time if I recall

correctly.) However in mine the " mating " doesn't' go smoothly, and I wind

up with mushed capsules, typically with the top part of the capsule jammed

up inside the top piece.

I've only made two batches, and the first seemed to go easier than the

second. I may be using too much pressure.

But even if I can't make the whole machine work, it is still useful for

holding and filling the bottom part of the capsules. With the contents

tamped down they don't spill easily, allowing them to be manually

assembled.

As an FYI - I'm taking 1 gram each of alpha lipoic acid and L-carnitine

(also from Beyond-a-Century.)

An anecdotal observation is that there seems to be an increase in my sense

of balance. When I first tried the Walford " balance on one foot " test I

had (to my surprise) quite a bit of problems maintaining balance. Now I

can stand on one leg (either one) for as long as I like too.) For anyone

interested in ALA and LC, the bulk powders from Beyond-a-Century would seem

to be the most practical.

Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> on 07/09/2002 07:34:12 AM

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Subject: [ ] chat question (AL acid/ L-carnitine)

in response to a question last night in the chat:  I buy my alpha lipoic

acid and L-carnitine loose from Beyond-a-Century.  You can buy empty

capsules from Capsule Connection.  You can also buy a capsule machine (to

fill the capsules) from The capsule machine.  I don't use the capsule

machine though; I found it messy and difficult to use.  I just fill the

capsule with the tool provided, (holding it over the bottle in case of

spillage) filling it 1/3 full with the al acid and 2/3 full with

l-carnitine

and close it manually.  Doesn't take long at all.  I guess we all find our

own method of doing this.

[Guest guest]

on 7/9/2002 11:42 AM, bareynol@... at

bareynol@... wrote:

> It is suppose to

> press the two halves together perfectly, then allow the full capsule to be

> easily pushed out from the bottom piece. (about 25 at a time if I recall

> correctly.) However in mine the " mating " doesn't' go smoothly, and I wind

> up with mushed capsules, typically with the top part of the capsule jammed

> up inside the top piece.

my problem exactly!

An anecdotal observation is that there seems to be an increase in my sense

of balance. When I first tried the Walford " balance on one foot " test I

had (to my surprise) quite a bit of problems maintaining balance. Now I

can stand on one leg (either one) for as long as I like too.) For anyone

interested in ALA and LC, the bulk powders from Beyond-a-Century would seem

to be the most practical.

In my case I'm getting compliments on how good I look :-) and how radiant my

skin is! But who knows exactly why?

[Guest guest]

--- Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> wrote:

> on 7/9/2002 11:42 AM, bareynol@...

> at

> bareynol@... wrote:

>

> > It is suppose to

> > press the two halves together perfectly, then

> allow the full capsule to be

> > easily pushed out from the bottom piece. (about

> 25 at a time if I recall

> > correctly.) However in mine the " mating " doesn't'

> go smoothly, and I wind

> > up with mushed capsules, typically with the top

> part of the capsule jammed

Francesca,

What are the ratios that you use in your capsules? I,

also, bought the powders but was going to use them in

indivdual capsules. Did I understand you to mean that

you load them into the same capsule?

> > up inside the top piece.

>

> my problem exactly!

>

> An anecdotal observation is that there seems to be

> an increase in my sense

> of balance. When I first tried the Walford " balance

> on one foot " test I

> had (to my surprise) quite a bit of problems

> maintaining balance. Now I

> can stand on one leg (either one) for as long as I

> like too.) For anyone

> interested in ALA and LC, the bulk powders from

> Beyond-a-Century would seem

> to be the most practical.

>

> In my case I'm getting compliments on how good I

> look :-) and how radiant my

> skin is! But who knows exactly why?

>

>

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[Guest guest]

on 7/9/2002 3:18 PM, Tiktin-Fanti at andreatf1@... wrote:

> Francesca,

>

> What are the ratios that you use in your capsules? I,

> also, bought the powders but was going to use them in

> indivdual capsules. Did I understand you to mean that

> you load them into the same capsule?

>

>

: I was doing individ. caps when all of a sudden I thought:

duhhhhhh. Why not do 1/2 the work by putting into one capsule?. So now I

do it all into one capsule about a 2:1 ratio: approx 250 mg acid and 500 mg

L-c. Saves so much time, it's hard to believe.

[Guest guest]

Francesca - I thought that the biggest capsules they make are 500mg? There

are rude names for the process of putting 750mg into a 500mg capsule :->))

I found it easier to " load " capsules with only one ingredient at a time;

i.e. 500 mg each. This works well because one is white (ALA ?) and the

other yellow. I though about mixing them 50/50 but it seemed more reliable

to do each separately.

I take 500mg/d each, together, once a day, prior to breakfast. After

breakfast (1/2 cup oat bran, 1/4 cup wheat germ, fruit when I remember to

buy some, and sucralose when Warren's Warehouse :-))> opens up) I take the

rest of my supplements (equivalent to a 1-a-day multivitamin, 1g salmon

oil, and 2g calcium.) Some folks have complained about the effects of ALA

and L-C on an empty stomach, and I make sure that I have a full glass of

water to make sure they get all the way down before the capsule starts to

dissolve. I got one stuck once part way down and that was not a pleasant

experience.

Folks considering adding ALA to their regime should be aware that what we

can buy at a reasonable price is NOT the same ALA as is used in most

studies. The " usual " ALA used in medical studies is the R-alpha type,

commercial ALA is either the S type or a combination of the two. (Pubmed

for example only shows 5 " hits " for S-alpha and 18 for R-alpha.)

Beyond-A-Century confirms that theirs is the mix as R-alpha is not

available.)

Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> on 07/09/2002 02:43:08 PM

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Subject: Re: [ ] chat question (AL acid/ L-carnitine)

on 7/9/2002 3:18 PM, Tiktin-Fanti at andreatf1@... wrote:

: I was doing individ. caps when all of a sudden I thought:

duhhhhhh.  Why not do 1/2 the work by putting  into one capsule?. So now I

do it all into one capsule about a 2:1 ratio: approx 250 mg acid and 500 mg

L-c.  Saves so much time, it's hard to believe.

[Guest guest]

They make two sizes: 500 mg and 650 mg capsules. So 500 is the smaller

size. I originally ordered the 500, so you're right, I'm not taking as much

as was recommended (250 ala and 500 L-c). But perhaps smaller femalesdon't

need as much? Who knows; it's all so new and experimental anyway. However

I can't imagine that a 6 foot tall man weighing 30 or 40 pounds more than me

would take the same amt. BTW the place to get both capsules and the capsule

machine is: http://www.capsuleconnection.com/

on 7/9/2002 6:04 PM, bareynol@... at

bareynol@... wrote:

>

> Francesca - I thought that the biggest capsules they make are 500mg? There

> are rude names for the process of putting 750mg into a 500mg capsule :->))

>

> I found it easier to " load " capsules with only one ingredient at a time;

> i.e. 500 mg each. This works well because one is white (ALA ?) and the

> other yellow. I though about mixing them 50/50 but it seemed more reliable

> to do each separately.

>

> I take 500mg/d each, together, once a day, prior to breakfast. After

> breakfast (1/2 cup oat bran, 1/4 cup wheat germ, fruit when I remember to

> buy some, and sucralose when Warren's Warehouse :-))> opens up) I take the

> rest of my supplements (equivalent to a 1-a-day multivitamin, 1g salmon

> oil, and 2g calcium.) Some folks have complained about the effects of ALA

> and L-C on an empty stomach, and I make sure that I have a full glass of

> water to make sure they get all the way down before the capsule starts to

> dissolve. I got one stuck once part way down and that was not a pleasant

> experience.

>

> Folks considering adding ALA to their regime should be aware that what we

> can buy at a reasonable price is NOT the same ALA as is used in most

> studies. The " usual " ALA used in medical studies is the R-alpha type,

> commercial ALA is either the S type or a combination of the two. (Pubmed

> for example only shows 5 " hits " for S-alpha and 18 for R-alpha.)

> Beyond-A-Century confirms that theirs is the mix as R-alpha is not

> available.)

>

>

>

>

>

> Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> on 07/09/2002 02:43:08 PM

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> Please respond to

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> Subject: Re: [ ] chat question (AL acid/ L-carnitine)

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> on 7/9/2002 3:18 PM, Tiktin-Fanti at andreatf1@... wrote:

>

> : I was doing individ. caps when all of a sudden I thought:

> duhhhhhh.  Why not do 1/2 the work by putting  into one capsule?. So now I

> do it all into one capsule about a 2:1 ratio: approx 250 mg acid and 500 mg

> L-c.  Saves so much time, it's hard to believe.

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/9/02 6:07:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bareynol@... writes:

and sucralose when Warren's Warehouse

Sucralose? As in Splenda? I understand that it is not such great stuff... Mercola has quite a few articles on this product.

http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_dangers.htm

:-) a

a newbie jumping in...:-)

[Guest guest]

After reading all these posts on artificial sweeteners I have come to

the conclusion not to use any of them. When I do baking such as

muffins I use Brown Sugar or with pancakes I use honey. Adds maybe

20 calories per item. I also drink just water, an occasional glass

of wine or fruit juice, skim milk, and black decaf coffee once a

day.

One of the goals of CRON is to avoid " What is going to kill you " and

seams avoiding artificial sweeteners is a good way to avoid future

illnesses. I prefer not to wait for long term studies.

Joe

> In a message dated 7/9/02 6:07:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> bareynol@r... writes:

>

>

> > and sucralose when Warren's Warehouse

>

> Sucralose? As in Splenda? I understand that it is not such great

stuff...

> Mercola has quite a few articles on this product.

>

> http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_dangers.htm

>

> :-) a

> a newbie jumping in...:-)

[Guest guest]

--- Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> wrote:

> They make two sizes: 500 mg and 650 mg capsules.

> So 500 is the smaller

> size. I originally ordered the 500, so you're

> right, I'm not taking as much

> as was recommended (250 ala and 500 L-c). But

> perhaps smaller femalesdon't

> need as much? Who knows; it's all so new and

> experimental anyway. However

> I can't imagine that a 6 foot tall man weighing 30

> or 40 pounds more than me

> would take the same amt. BTW the place to get both

> capsules and the capsule

> machine is: http://www.capsuleconnection.com/

Francesca,

I had to chuckle when I read of your problems filling

the capsules. I had exactly the same experience. The

brother of one of my oldest friends " invented " the

machine. She was the one who told me about it one day

while we were reminiscing about relatives. I am having

lunch with her next week and will have her try to find

out if we are doing something wrong. The device should

work more easily.

>

> on 7/9/2002 6:04 PM, bareynol@... at

> bareynol@... wrote:

>

> >

> > Francesca - I thought that the biggest capsules

> they make are 500mg? There

> > are rude names for the process of putting 750mg

> into a 500mg capsule :->))

> >

> > I found it easier to " load " capsules with only one

> ingredient at a time;

> > i.e. 500 mg each. This works well because one is

> white (ALA ?) and the

> > other yellow. I though about mixing them 50/50

> but it seemed more reliable

> > to do each separately.

> >

> > I take 500mg/d each, together, once a day, prior

> to breakfast. After

> > breakfast (1/2 cup oat bran, 1/4 cup wheat germ,

> fruit when I remember to

> > buy some, and sucralose when Warren's Warehouse

> :-))> opens up) I take the

> > rest of my supplements (equivalent to a 1-a-day

> multivitamin, 1g salmon

> > oil, and 2g calcium.) Some folks have complained

> about the effects of ALA

> > and L-C on an empty stomach, and I make sure that

> I have a full glass of

> > water to make sure they get all the way down

> before the capsule starts to

> > dissolve. I got one stuck once part way down and

> that was not a pleasant

> > experience.

> >

> > Folks considering adding ALA to their regime

> should be aware that what we

> > can buy at a reasonable price is NOT the same ALA

> as is used in most

> > studies. The " usual " ALA used in medical studies

> is the R-alpha type,

> > commercial ALA is either the S type or a

> combination of the two. (Pubmed

> > for example only shows 5 " hits " for S-alpha and 18

> for R-alpha.)

> > Beyond-A-Century confirms that theirs is the mix

> as R-alpha is not

> > available.)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> on

> 07/09/2002 02:43:08 PM

> >

> > Please respond to

> >

> > < >

> > cc:

> >

> > Subject: Re: [ ] chat question (AL

> acid/ L-carnitine)

> >

> >

> > on 7/9/2002 3:18 PM, Tiktin-Fanti at

> andreatf1@... wrote:

> >

> > : I was doing individ. caps when all of a

> sudden I thought:

> > duhhhhhh.  Why not do 1/2 the work by putting 

> into one capsule?. So now I

> > do it all into one capsule about a 2:1 ratio:

> approx 250 mg acid and 500 mg

> > L-c.  Saves so much time, it's hard to believe.

> >

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