RE: Re: Eating behavior modification

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on 8/20/2002 11:37 AM, J6215@... at J6215@... wrote:

> Walford, who extrapolates from his considerable experience with CR and

> animals, repeatedly emphasizes one of the keys to CRON is very, very, gradual

> reduction in calories, so that one loses no more than a pound a month.

: good point with one minor correction. It's Ok to lose more rapidly

at first; for the first 3 months or so. After that, yes, you must slow down

to receive the benefits. Losing too quickly is not good.

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Rapid fat loss will release toxins that are often stored in adipose cells and that must be cleared by the body. Even at 300 pounds there is little reason to be in a hurry...

This (CRON/CRAN) should not be looked at as a short term weight loss diet. It is embracing a long term healthful eating pattern. If one weighs 300 lbs, they will naturally lose weight somewhat faster due to the extra workload of carrying that weight. I would suggest focusing on nutrition first and then eating a reasonable caloric budget, the weight will come off long before you turn 120.

JR

-----Original Message-----From: oc9 [mailto:ibap@...]Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Eating behavior modificationDoesn't the rate of desirable initial weight loss have anything to do with the initial weight? If you're starting at a 'normal' body weight (around setpoint, BMI maybe under 25), then a slow initial loss is more than reasonable. If you're 5'2" and weight 300 lbs, just giving up the extra 2 cheeseburgers and 2 ice cream sundaes each day might produce a dramatic change, which would likely be a good thing. :-)Iris> > > Walford, who extrapolates from his considerable experience with CR and> > animals, repeatedly emphasizes one of the keys to CRON is very, very, gradual> > reduction in calories, so that one loses no more than a pound a month.> > > : good point with one minor correction. It's Ok to lose more rapidly> at first; for the first 3 months or so. After that, yes, you must slow down> to receive the benefits. Losing too quickly is not good.

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, I've heard many times that rapid weight loss causes the " release of toxins

stored in adipose cells " and yet have never read anything to substantiate such a

claim. Do you have anything to back up such a statement? Thanks.

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Hi ,

There is plenty in the main Crsociety list files on this. See:

http://lists.calorierestriction.org/cgi-bin/wa?S1=crsociety & X=1257914AD229548E54 & Y=apater@...

Cheers, Al.

-----Original Message-----From: john roberts [mailto:johnhrob@...]Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Eating behavior modification

No. I have also seen it several times over the years but on reflection I don't know how credible the sources. I didn't find anything on pub-med but I'm not expert at searching for such.

There has been far more research into storage of toxins in adipose (like DDT) than release. There is probably documentation supporting the opposite of my premise, rapid weight loss (with supplementation of critical nutrients and medical supervision). I suspect this phenomenon (if it exists) would be strongly influenced by that individuals prior pattern of exposure to toxins.

There are other reasons commonly offered advising against rapid weight loss but I don't have citations handy so will keep them to myself. However if I could offer my personal observation, over the years I have lost weight rapidly and slowly.... if the rapid weight loss were successful I wouldn't have gained it back allowing me to lose it slowly and by all indications permanently (knock on wood).

Find your own path, but I would lobby for moderation.

JR

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No. I have also seen it several times over the years but on reflection I don't know how credible the sources. I didn't find anything on pub-med but I'm not expert at searching for such.

There has been far more research into storage of toxins in adipose (like DDT) than release. There is probably documentation supporting the opposite of my premise, rapid weight loss (with supplementation of critical nutrients and medical supervision). I suspect this phenomenon (if it exists) would be strongly influenced by that individuals prior pattern of exposure to toxins.

There are other reasons commonly offered advising against rapid weight loss but I don't have citations handy so will keep them to myself. However if I could offer my personal observation, over the years I have lost weight rapidly and slowly.... if the rapid weight loss were successful I wouldn't have gained it back allowing me to lose it slowly and by all indications permanently (knock on wood).

Find your own path, but I would lobby for moderation.

JR

-----Original Message-----From: nintriere@... [mailto:nintriere@...]Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Eating behavior modification, I've heard many times that rapid weight loss causes the "release of toxins stored in adipose cells" and yet have never read anything to substantiate such a claim. Do you have anything to back up such a statement? Thanks.