Re: stretching during exercise

[Guest guest]

WOW! I love these studies that support my lifestyle choices! As someone who has worked out all of my life and who has owned and operated a martial arts school and who absolutely hates to stretch, I have to tell you that that is the craziest thing I have ever heard. Stretching infuses the muscle fiber with heat and blood...and it balances the contraction of exercise. It does indeed help prevent muscle injury (just ask any runner) and helps develop small muscle fibers (just ask any bodybuilder-most of whom hate to stretch but know it is beneficial to development). I may be wrong, but can't help believing that stretching is critical. PS -there has never been any suggestion that one should stretch a cold muscle, almost all exercise experts would tell you to warm the muscle before stretching. Hey, but what do I know ~ I'm starving myself on rabbit food along with a bunch of low libido, sleep deprived maniacs all of whom want to live 20 extra years! BTW- you can bet that I am going to find this study and throw it in Chele's face the next time she harasses me about lifting or running and not stretching :-) PS (Just kidding about the maniacs thing...we will all be laughing together at our annual reunion in 2065) !

----- Original Message -----

From: Francesca Skelton

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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:41 AM

Subject: [ ] stretching during exercise

Latest studies seem to disprove the theory that stretching before and afterexcercise is of any benefit. Perhaps the exercise experts will havesomething to add to this? Al Pater: is there any study to dig up? Thanksin advance.

[Guest guest]

FYI, for those interested in this stretching debate (I obviously and not really), this article seems to offer very even handed information. Dave http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2000/08_00/shrier.htm

----- Original Message -----

From: Francesca Skelton

support group

Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:41 AM

Subject: [ ] stretching during exercise

Latest studies seem to disprove the theory that stretching before and afterexcercise is of any benefit. Perhaps the exercise experts will havesomething to add to this? Al Pater: is there any study to dig up? Thanksin advance.

[Guest guest]

one of the downsides of stretching is that it can harm joint stability, especially if one stretches connective tissue and not only muscles. I have no idea whether it's good or bad, but I don't stretch. i do plan to add some easy flexibility and range-of-motion workouts at some point...

Micky.

-----Original Message-----From: Dave Noel [mailto:davenoel@...] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [ ] stretching during exercise

FYI, for those interested in this stretching debate (I obviously and not really), this article seems to offer very even handed information. Dave http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2000/08_00/shrier.htm

----- Original Message -----

From: Francesca Skelton

support group

Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:41 AM

Subject: [ ] stretching during exercise

Latest studies seem to disprove the theory that stretching before and afterexcercise is of any benefit. Perhaps the exercise experts will havesomething to add to this? Al Pater: is there any study to dig up? Thanksin advance.

[Guest guest]

I'm still not ready to abandon my yoga class...

-----Original Message-----From: Micky Snir [mailto:mickys@...]Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: RE: [ ] stretching during exercise

one of the downsides of stretching is that it can harm joint stability, especially if one stretches connective tissue and not only muscles. I have no idea whether it's good or bad, but I don't stretch. i do plan to add some easy flexibility and range-of-motion workouts at some point...

Micky.

-----Original Message-----From: Dave Noel [mailto:davenoel@...] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [ ] stretching during exercise

FYI, for those interested in this stretching debate (I obviously and not really), this article seems to offer very even handed information. Dave http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2000/08_00/shrier.htm

----- Original Message -----

From: Francesca Skelton

support group

Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:41 AM

Subject: [ ] stretching during exercise

Latest studies seem to disprove the theory that stretching before and afterexcercise is of any benefit. Perhaps the exercise experts will havesomething to add to this? Al Pater: is there any study to dig up? Thanksin advance.

[Guest guest]

> FYI, for those interested in this stretching debate

> (I obviously and not really), this article seems to offer

> very even handed information. Dave

> http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2000/08_00/shrier.htm

Not a bad article - despite its unfavourable tone.

What's with:

``Though PNF stretching is the most effective technique for

increasing range of motion, the mechanism is an increase

in stretch tolerance, and the muscle actually undergoes an

eccentric contraction during the stretch.''

....though?

If you're performing eccentric contractions during any sort of

stretching exercise, ISTM you're doing it wrong.

You can perform PNF stretching without performing eccentric

contractions. The muscular contractions involvod with PNF

are almost exclusively isometric.

[Guest guest]

Hey, I don't write this mumbo jumbo...I just direct greater minds than mine to the articles and hope someone will interpret the data into nomenclature comprehensible to me, i.e little tiny words that make sense :-) Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim Tyler

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:06 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: stretching during exercise

> FYI, for those interested in this stretching debate > (I obviously and not really), this article seems to offer> very even handed information. Dave> http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2000/08_00/shrier.htmNot a bad article - despite its unfavourable tone.What's with:``Though PNF stretching is the most effective technique for increasing range of motion, the mechanism is an increase in stretch tolerance, and the muscle actually undergoes an eccentric contraction during the stretch.''...though?If you're performing eccentric contractions during any sort of stretching exercise, ISTM you're doing it wrong.You can perform PNF stretching without performing eccentric contractions. The muscular contractions involvod with PNFare almost exclusively isometric.

[Guest guest]

> one of the downsides of stretching is that it can harm joint

> stability, especially if one stretches connective tissue and

> not only muscles.

That's widely regarded as a downside of stretching - *without* doing

any strengthening exercises.