/was: Re: amino acid testing -JIM/ANDY

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, we use Enzymatic Adrenal Cortex, started with just 1/4 capsule and worked

up to 1 and 1/2 now per day, was enough to do the trick, although we were not

dealing with protein malabsorption.

Adrenal Cortex is cow adrenals, try not to think about it, is what I do. Andy

has said you can give a lot, we plan on working up to 2 or 3.

[ ] Re: amino acid testing -JIM/ANDY

Hi Jim,

I just looked at a test my son had done a few weeks ago. It has

albumin at 3.4 (rr: 2.7-4.8g/dL). Does that tell you anything about

his AA levels or protein metabolism? Also, do you have a dose

suggestion for adrenal cortex? What exactly is it? Can I get it

OTC?

Thanks.

> >

> > > and others,

> > >

> > > Hopefully you can explain this to me. It's a part of the

> malabsorption

> > > situation that I don't understand. If your main concern is

that

> your

> > > son is terribly thin, and presumably underweight, wouldn't a

> serum

> > > albumin and perhaps a prealbumin provide a satisfactory

> indication of

> > > protein digestion and absorption?

> >

> > Dr. Popplewell is correct. The plasma amino test is not

necessary

> or

> > appropriate for this situation.

> >

> > >Is there a supposition that there is

> > > a deficiency in the absorption of specific essential amino

acids

> that

> > > would account for being thin?

> >

> > This is rare - if it happens at all.

> >

> > > I'm primarily coming at this from the

> > > standpoint of cost. An albumin level is probably one tenth

the

> cost of

> > > an amino acid screen, or even less. Is there a specific

benefit

> in this

> > > context to assaying each of the amino acids?

> >

> > Well, it makes them and the doctor feel like they are doing more

> > sophisticated and specialized testing so they feel better about

> > themselves.

> >

> > It is quite difficult for people without a lot of experience to

> figure

> > things out so they tend to get a lot of unnecessary tests which

is

> > part of the learning experience, and necessary for them to get an

> > answer in the absence of adequate education and experience in the

> > relevant area.

> >

> > Actually the most likely situation is simply functionally

> inadequate

> > adrenal performance, which if they are very sharp they'd pick up

on

> > the test as a relative elevation of leucine, isoleucine and

> valine.

> >

> > However it is far easier and cheaper to test for that by getting

a

> > botthe of adrenal cortex and giving the kid a few capsules a day

> for a

> > week.

> >

> > If that doesn't work the next most likely thing is some profound

> food

> > reaction, and we need to discuss diet. if that isn't it, there

is

> > some slight possibilty of failure to release bile and digestive

> > enzymes, but that is correctable in many ways, e. g. giving the

kid

> > digestive enzymes which has hopefully already been tried.

> >

> > People tend to test too much and do trial interventions too

little

> > because the tests seem more scientific, and easier to interpret -

> that

> > is, until you have the results in hand.

> >

> > BTW, very few DAN! doctors can interpret most of the tests we

> discuss,

> > or even simple mainstream tests. If you want your child to get

> well

> > you have to take the responsibility to ask around and look up

what

> the

> > results mean.

> >

> > > Jim

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

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I just looked this up on Illnessisoptional.com and they didn't have

the specific ingredients. My kids are super sensitive. Would you

mind telling me everthing that is in it? Thank you - I learn so

much from you all!

> > >

> > > > and others,

> > > >

> > > > Hopefully you can explain this to me. It's a part of the

> > malabsorption

> > > > situation that I don't understand. If your main concern

is

> that

> > your

> > > > son is terribly thin, and presumably underweight, wouldn't

a

> > serum

> > > > albumin and perhaps a prealbumin provide a satisfactory

> > indication of

> > > > protein digestion and absorption?

> > >

> > > Dr. Popplewell is correct. The plasma amino test is not

> necessary

> > or

> > > appropriate for this situation.

> > >

> > > >Is there a supposition that there is

> > > > a deficiency in the absorption of specific essential amino

> acids

> > that

> > > > would account for being thin?

> > >

> > > This is rare - if it happens at all.

> > >

> > > > I'm primarily coming at this from the

> > > > standpoint of cost. An albumin level is probably one

tenth

> the

> > cost of

> > > > an amino acid screen, or even less. Is there a specific

> benefit

> > in this

> > > > context to assaying each of the amino acids?

> > >

> > > Well, it makes them and the doctor feel like they are doing

more

> > > sophisticated and specialized testing so they feel better

about

> > > themselves.

> > >

> > > It is quite difficult for people without a lot of experience

to

> > figure

> > > things out so they tend to get a lot of unnecessary tests

which

> is

> > > part of the learning experience, and necessary for them to

get an

> > > answer in the absence of adequate education and experience

in the

> > > relevant area.

> > >

> > > Actually the most likely situation is simply functionally

> > inadequate

> > > adrenal performance, which if they are very sharp they'd

pick up

> on

> > > the test as a relative elevation of leucine, isoleucine and

> > valine.

> > >

> > > However it is far easier and cheaper to test for that by

getting

> a

> > > botthe of adrenal cortex and giving the kid a few capsules a

day

> > for a

> > > week.

> > >

> > > If that doesn't work the next most likely thing is some

profound

> > food

> > > reaction, and we need to discuss diet. if that isn't it,

there

> is

> > > some slight possibilty of failure to release bile and

digestive

> > > enzymes, but that is correctable in many ways, e. g. giving

the

> kid

> > > digestive enzymes which has hopefully already been tried.

> > >

> > > People tend to test too much and do trial interventions too

> little

> > > because the tests seem more scientific, and easier to

interpret -

>

> > that

> > > is, until you have the results in hand.

> > >

> > > BTW, very few DAN! doctors can interpret most of the tests

we

> > discuss,

> > > or even simple mainstream tests. If you want your child to

get

> > well

> > > you have to take the responsibility to ask around and look

up

> what

> > the

> > > results mean.

> > >

> > > > Jim

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >