RE: soy: to eat or not to eat

[Guest guest]

I’m sorry but I could not help

myself: the Hawaiiaw men and Walford may have something in common…

And some claim soy has many other bad “qualities”

as well. Loads of info on the web. I could not make up my mind…

-----Original Message-----

From: Francesca Skelton

[mailto:fskelton@...]

Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002

7:43 AM

support group

Subject: FW: [ ] soy:

to eat or not to eat

Dave: some CRONIES don't eat soy because of the

one study of Hawaiian men

which supposedly presented evidence that regular

consumption of soy in

midlife led to adverse brain aging. (BT120YD, pg

177). However I always

felt that the best " study " was the

Okinawans who consume soy and are healthy

til old age. Walford consumes it (but not to the

extreme) and so do many

other CRONIES. The one study has not been

repeated to the best of my

knowledge.

Dave,

For a very simple resaon, me and my wife really do

not like the

taste.

Joe

-- In @y..., " Dave Noel "

<davenoel@q...> wrote:

> Well now Joe, I can't help asking about the

soy. Since I eat a

fairly significant amount of soy products, I am interested

to know

why you avoid this particular food. Please

enlighten me. Dave

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: joesmad2001

> @y...

> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002

6:42 AM

> Subject: [ ] Vitamin

E

>

>

> This may be late in the

conversation but I noticed alot of foods

> posted that are rich in vitamin

E. The one I eat everyday to

ensure

> I get enough (before hand I was

not getting the RDA from food

mostl;y

> because I do not eat SOY) is

almonds. 10 almonds cost 70

calories

> but supply 30% of the RDA in

vitamin E, plus are

considered " healthy

> fats " . I also add

ground almonsd to any muffins I make and also

to

> pancakes on weekend mornings.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I made up my mind very easily. There wouldn't be a controversy if

there were not some serious unanswered questions that haven't been

adequately adressed yet.

Soy is known to contain anti-nutrients, those that prevent the

absorbtion of other nutrients into the body. It's interesting to

note the orientals traditional use of soy as a food was in fermented

forms which destroyed the anti-nutrient qualities. Todays commercial

processing methods do not. In a CR program this could add additional

concerns about receiving nutrition the body requires, while still

keeping calories at a restricted level. http://www.westonaprice.org

has a great history on the soybean. Here are just some reasons to

avoid soy as taken from the above website.

High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium,

magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not

neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking,

sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused

growth problems in children.

Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may

cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin

inhibitors caused stunted growth.

Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential

to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.

Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause

hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption

of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.

Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the

body's requirement for B12.

Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.

Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to

make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.

Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic

lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.

Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy

food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.

Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the

nervous system and the kidneys.

Doug

> > Well now Joe, I can't help asking about the soy. Since I eat a

> fairly significant amount of soy products, I am interested to know

> why you avoid this particular food. Please enlighten me. Dave

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: joesmad2001

> > @y...

> > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 6:42 AM

> > Subject: [ ] Vitamin E

> >

> >

> > This may be late in the conversation but I noticed alot of foods

> > posted that are rich in vitamin E. The one I eat everyday to

> ensure

> > I get enough (before hand I was not getting the RDA from food

> mostl;y

> > because I do not eat SOY) is almonds. 10 almonds cost 70

> calories

> > but supply 30% of the RDA in vitamin E, plus are

> considered " healthy

> > fats " . I also add ground almonsd to any muffins I make and also

> to

> > pancakes on weekend mornings.

> >

> > Joe

> >

> >

> >