Re: FW: Hunger/the press/moderate vs extreme CR

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

In my opinion, that would be a message already heard many times already.

Cheers, Al.

-----Original MessageFrom: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:31 ......

limiting calories and eating healthy.that would be a much better public message !!!

[Guest guest]

Al: it's like the message to stop smoking. Some people need to hear it

over, and over, and over, and over, and over, ad nauseum. Certainly if

they won't listen to this, they won't listen to anything more extreme than

this.

on 8/7/2002 8:23 AM, Alan Pater at apater@... wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> In my opinion, that would be a message already heard many times already.

>

> Cheers, Al.

> -----Original MessageFrom: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]

> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:31 ......

>

> limiting calories and eating healthy.

>

> that would be a much better public message !!!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

My first impulse was to go the the American Heart Association web site. What does it say about recommendation for diet and nutrition? See:

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=851

The first paragraph sums up a lot:

"eat less saturated fats and cholesterol, and control weight."

More of the same is throughout this page.

We are different in my opinion. Therein lies our credo. We feel we need to eat less than the recommended levels by others of calories.

In my opinion, these things matter.

Cheers, Al.

-----Original Message-----From: Robin M [mailto:r061n@...]Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [ ] FW: Hunger/the press/moderate vs extreme CR> > -----Original MessageFrom: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:31 ......> >> > limiting calories and eating healthy.> >> > that would be a much better public message !!!> >on 8/7/2002 8:23 AM, Alan Pater at apater@... wrote:>Hi All,>>In my opinion, that would be a message already heard many times already.>I don't know. . . I always heard messages like these:"Eat as much as you want, as long as it's a fruit, vegetable, or grain"or"You'll be healthier if you cut out all animal products!"or"Eat anything you want and exercise a lot and you'll live forever."I'm not sure I ever heard it put so succintly as "Limit calories and eat healthily." I think they felt that would be a hard sell.-Robin

[Guest guest]

> > -----Original MessageFrom: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]

> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:31 ......

> >

> > limiting calories and eating healthy.

> >

> > that would be a much better public message !!!

> >

on 8/7/2002 8:23 AM, Alan Pater at apater@... wrote:

>Hi All,

>

>In my opinion, that would be a message already heard many times already.

>

I don't know. . . I always heard messages like these:

" Eat as much as you want, as long as it's a fruit, vegetable, or grain "

or

" You'll be healthier if you cut out all animal products! "

or

" Eat anything you want and exercise a lot and you'll live forever. "

I'm not sure I ever heard it put so succintly as " Limit calories and eat

healthily. " I think they felt that would be a hard sell.

-Robin

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[Guest guest]

Al: your opinion certainly counts for a lot around here! But I ask you to

consider this:

Are we more likely to get people to listen if they see us as a bunch of

extremists (i.e. six feet tall, weighing 115 pds as one cronie was recently

described in the news)?

Or are we more likely to get people pay attention if we are more moderate

(and as Walford has said) that even the smallest changes matter (for example

just changing WHAT you eat even without a calorie reduction).

I vote that the latter matters a lot, especially since changing WHAT you eat

will most certainly lead to better health and inevitably to a reduction in

calories anyway. And no matter how small the change, it's whatever that

person can muster, and should be encouraged.

on 8/7/2002 10:38 AM, Alan Pater at apater@... wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> My first impulse was to go the the American Heart Association web site.

> What does it say about recommendation for diet and nutrition? See:

>

> http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=851

>

> The first paragraph sums up a lot:

>

> " eat less saturated fats and cholesterol, and control weight. "

>

> More of the same is throughout this page.

>

> We are different in my opinion. Therein lies our credo. We feel we need to

> eat less than the recommended levels by others of calories.

>

> In my opinion, these things matter.

>

> Cheers, Al.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Robin M [mailto:r061n@...]

> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:51 AM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] FW: Hunger/the press/moderate vs extreme CR

>

>

>>> -----Original MessageFrom: Francesca Skelton

> [mailto:fskelton@...]

>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:31 ......

>>>

>>> limiting calories and eating healthy.

>>>

>>> that would be a much better public message !!!

>>>

> on 8/7/2002 8:23 AM, Alan Pater at apater@... wrote:

>

>> Hi All,

>>

>> In my opinion, that would be a message already heard many times already.

>>

>

> I don't know. . . I always heard messages like these:

>

> " Eat as much as you want, as long as it's a fruit, vegetable, or grain "

> or

> " You'll be healthier if you cut out all animal products! "

> or

> " Eat anything you want and exercise a lot and you'll live forever. "

>

> I'm not sure I ever heard it put so succintly as " Limit calories and eat

> healthily. " I think they felt that would be a hard sell.

>

> -Robin

>

>

[Guest guest]

We don't hear the right message. We are told to eat healthy but we

aren't necessarily encouraged to eat less in order to benefit our

health (unless we are already significantly overweight). Furthermore

we don't even know what healthy is. Many people convert to

vegetarianism for health benefits. Vegetarianism is much better than

the SAD but without careful planning it will not get anywhere near

the RDAs for certain nutrients. CRON is different, it analyzes

nutrients - maybe not all the time but at least to get an idea of

what a nutrient rich diet means.

As a soceity we are constantly encouraged to lose weight but we are

only encouraged to do so for the sake of our short term appearance.

Isn't burning it off as good as consuming less? The truth is no.

Some people exercise quite a lot for the sake of their health. They

are misguided about what matters most: not exercise but *diet* is

king.

We even hear that losing weight can be detrimental to our health

(especially if we are already of normal or only slightly

overweight). Now this is true of course after a certain point and

there are risks to CR as well. We are not told however that losing

weight with CRAN even if we are already of normal weight might just

be *very* *very* good for our health. Thats the big secret. Instead

people begin to worry about us if we are thinner than whatever passes

for normal these days.

We are told that counting calories constantly especially if we are

not overweight is pathological. Is it? Or is it (assuming decent

nutrition) the *single* best thing you can do for your health?

We are told better diets can prevent disease. We are not told they

can slow down aging. We are not told that eating less is at least if

not more important than what you eat for your chances of making it to

100.

It feels to many people that social parental figures are constantly

nagging them to eat better. And they change their minds constantly.

And some have agendas of their own (vegetarian groups and the CSPI).

What they don't see behind the nagging is the nearest path to

shrangra-la. And the amazing potential this unleashes as one of our

few current clues to the causes of aging (come on CR pill .