Re: Chronic Lympocitic Leukemia

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That is interesting. I haven't read that yet. Also, is it a particular elderberry? The elderberry's vary dependent upon the location in the world they grow in.

I'm scheduled for a Heavy Metals test in about a week and am very interested in what the results will be.

Noland

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Noland R. Durnell, P.E.

Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Chronic Lympocitic Leukemia

Hi Noland-- By a strange coincidence, I just read a discussion about chelating toxic metals which mentioned that elderberry can chelate aluminum. I wonder if there is any connection---(heavy metals are known to suppress the immune system.) S. "Noland R. Durnell, P.E." wrote: I had a light case of the flu once but knocked it quick with Sambucol, a special black elderberry extract from Israel.

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At a local MD, ND office here in Grand Junction, Colorado. They give you what is called a "Push" IV and then you carry around a gallon container for the next nine hours to catch your samples in. Heavy metal concentrations are then checked for.

Noland

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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:12 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Chronic Lympocitic Leukemia

Where are you having the heavy metals test done?

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Thanks much for this information. I'm going to have to check this out prior to the testing next Monday.

Noland

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From:

Noland R. Durnell, P.E.

Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Chronic Lympocitic Leukemia

Noland-- I am worried when you mention a "Push" IV. Does that mean you doc is planning to use a chelator (such as DMPS or DMSA) prior to the urine analysis? If so, that is dangerous to your health IF you still have "silver" amalgam fillings in your teeth. The chelator will mobilize mercury from the fillings into your body. I have read that this has caused serious health problems for a number of people. Many doctors who are familiar with mercury problems give warnings about this. Of course, it is also dangerous to attempt to do chelation therapy when you have "silver" amalgams in your mouth. I am guessing that the same rule applies for other metals in the mouth--including "gold" fillings which may contain nickel and other metals, and "porcelain" crowns which are set on stainless steel. My uncle used to live near Grand Junction--in Cedaredge. Nice area. Best regards, S. "Noland R. Durnell, P.E." wrote:

At a local MD, ND office here in Grand Junction, Colorado. They give you what is called a "Push" IV and then you carry around a gallon container for the next nine hours to catch your samples in. Heavy metal concentrations are then checked for. Noland

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Dear Klaus:

Am happy to hear from you. I would be interested in reviewing Dana Flavin-Konig's protocol as I believe other cancer patients on this site would be, too.

I can understand your weakness with a 2.6 RBC. Are you exhibiting any signs of dizziness or light-headedness? I would think that your body is suffering oxygen deprivation. When I started taking hydrogen peroxide IV's it increased my blood oxygen level from 91 up to 96-98, my skin color improved significantly, and my leg and foot cramps improved. In fact, I haven't had any cramps at all for over two weeks now. I started the peroxide IV's on May 7, 2003, to see if they would decrease my WBC count but have seen no sign of improvement on my CLL.

I have a 3.51 RBC with a 9.4 hemoglobin and am suffering oxygen deprivation.

I started taking LDN on June 12th. When I saw my oncologist on June 25th, my WBC was 187k, RBC 3.46, hemoglobin was 9.2 and platelets were 118. I was still suffering from weakness, heavy fatigue, and no energy.

On June 27th, I had decided that I was going to have to get a transfusion to build up my RBC so I got scheduled for one on July 9th with the oncologist.

On July 4th, I was exhausted and laid around and slept nearly all day. When I awoke on the morning of July 5th, I felt different all over my body in a strange sort of way and I had the urge to get up and do something. I did. I got up and replaced the floor in our guest bathroom and at the end of the day I still had energy and nearly no fatigue. I had to force myself into bed that night.

On Sunday morning, July 6th, I got up, did some more work on the bathroom, went shopping with the wife, spent several hours at my desk on bills and finances and finally forced myself into bed again.

Monday thru Wednesday of this week, I've come to work, worked 10 hrs, went home and did some more work at home. I'm feeling better than I've felt for over two years.

I went to the oncologist yesterday morning, July 9th, and my blood test showed my WBC being 205k, RBC 3.51, hemoglobin 9.4, and platelets 123. When considering Technician error/repeatability, the test results were the same as on June 25th. After hearing how I was feeling the Oncologist decided not to recommend a Blood Transfusion at this time.

I'm not a good candidate for erythropoeitin treatment because my blood erythropoeitin is already well into the acceptable range. Also, I'm not very interested in trying Procrit, Aranesp, and their twins because they are developing a history of doing exactly the opposite of what they are intended to do. They are killing all RBC rather than building RBC. (www.injury-lawyer-network.com/procrit,htm)

If I'm forced to, I'll consider rituxin because it is supposed to work on the CD20 antigen and my CD20 is 91. The acceptable range is 5-15.

By the way, what kind of Doctor are you? PhD? Medical?

Keep in touch. Am very interested in your progress, etc. At this time, I would certainly recommend you trying LDN.

Noland

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From: Dr. Klaus Klenovits

Noland R. Durnell, P.E.

Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:43 AM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Chronic Lympocitic Leukemia

Dear Noland: Do you still feel great on LDN? My WBC level is now at 146.0 (B-CLL). When it was about 40 I could still do running for 2 or 3 miles. Now I´m pretty weak, 2.6 RBC only. Did you ever try epo (erythropoeitin)? Did you feel improvements after the blood transfusion on Wednesday? I refuse chemo. I follow a protocol by Dana Flavin-König, MD AND biochemist. If interested, I mail you details. Interestingly, she mentioned hydrogen peroxide helps destroying bad cells. Have a good day,Klaus

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Dear Klaus:

My RBC has never been below 3.41 and my hemoglobin has been as low as 8.4.

Thanks for the web page address, I'll check it out. A web page that I found a lot of information assembled on is www.bioimmune.com. I follow the dietary recommendations assembled on that page fairly closely.

Noland

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From: Dr. Klaus Klenovits

Noland R. Durnell, P.E.

Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:54 AM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Chronic Lympocitic Leukemia

Dear Noland : thanks for your response. Was your hemoglin already down to below 9.0, and RBC under 3.0? Dana Flavin-Konig's protocol, scientifically founded, is basically as follows: weak cytotoxics: - 8-20 bitter almonds - benzaldehyde in order to change the enzymes of malignant cells, to promote their apoptosis: - mega beta-caroteen, up to 400mg (or all trans-retinoic acid) - N-A-cystein 1800mg - lactoferrin (binds iron in blood) - sodium selenite - 3000 g fish oil - enzymes: bromelain diet: - no red meat, no saccharose (ordinary sugar), fruits o.k., particularly figs and pineapple Dana´s strategy is not mega intake of antioxidants. She worked around 1975 with Linus ing. Now she declines all oral vitaminC, IV just 7-15g, no ordinary vitamin E, no flax seed oil, no Q10, and for me no OPC, too I´ll mail you more, if I´ve the full protocol at hand. You´ll find it also under www.getandstaywell.com this is the site of Bill and author of "Cure Your Cancer". There and in one of his free old newsletters (April 2003?) he explains Dana´s protocol. I heard about Dana F-K. from Bill . From April 2002 to May 2003 I got up to 3 times weekly 75g vitaminC, red. glutathion, Q10 and orally lots of antioxidants. My WBC rose sharply twice. Each time the vitaminC dose IV went up , and one time I started taking a special European Calcium- mineral compound. Now Dana says, Calcium might feed sick cells, as possibly VitaminC. In February of 2002 th WBC rose quickest. Then I got heparin-sulfat injections because of my thrombosis. Now Dana showed me an article, where heparin-sulfat is declared cancer promoting. I bet few oncologists in the universities know about it. I´m following Dana´s protocol since end of May. WBC stable, but RBC and hemoglobin went down a bit Let´s stay in touch, Klaus I believe other cancer patients on this site would be, too. I can understand your weakness with a 2.6 RBC. Are you exhibiting any signs of dizziness or light-headedness? I would think that your body is suffering oxygen deprivation. When I started taking hydrogen peroxide IV's it increased my blood oxygen level from 91 up to 96-98, my skin color improved significantly, and my leg and foot cramps improved. In fact, I haven't had any cramps at all for over two weeks now. I started the peroxide IV's on May 7, 2003, to see if they would decrease my WBC count but have seen no sign of improvement on my CLL. I have a 3.51 RBC with a 9.4 hemoglobin and am suffering oxygen deprivation. I started taking LDN on June 12th. When I saw my oncologist on June 25th, my WBC was 187k, RBC 3.46, hemoglobin was 9.2 and platelets were 118. I was still suffering from weakness, heavy fatigue, and no energy. On June 27th, I had decided that I was going to have to get a transfusion to build up my RBC so I got scheduled for one on July 9th with the oncologist. On July 4th, I was exhausted and laid around and slept nearly all day. When I awoke on the morning of July 5th, I felt different all over my body in a strange sort of way and I had the urge to get up and do something. I did. I got up and replaced the floor in our guest bathroom and at the end of the day I still had energy and nearly no fatigue. I had to force myself into bed that night. On Sunday morning, July 6th, I got up, did some more work on the bathroom, went shopping with the wife, spent several hours at my desk on bills and finances and finally forced myself into bed again. Monday thru Wednesday of this week, I've come to work, worked 10 hrs, went home and did some more work at home. I'm feeling better than I've felt for over two years. I went to the oncologist yesterday morning, July 9th, and my blood test showed my WBC being 205k, RBC 3.51, hemoglobin 9.4, and platelets 123. When considering Technician error/repeatability, the test results were the same as on June 25th. After hearing how I was feeling the Oncologist decided not to recommend a Blood Transfusion at this time. I'm not a good candidate for erythropoeitin treatment because my blood erythropoeitin is already well into the acceptable range. Also, I'm not very interested in trying Procrit, Aranesp, and their twins because they are developing a history of doing exactly the opposite of what they are intended to do. They are killing all RBC rather than building RBC. (www.injury-lawyer-network.com/procrit,htm) If I'm forced to, I'll consider rituxin because it is supposed to work on the CD20 antigen and my CD20 is 91. The acceptable range is 5-15. By the way, what kind of Doctor are you? PhD? Medical? Keep in touch. Am very interested in your progress, etc. At this time, I would certainly recommend you trying LDN. Noland

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Klaus Klenovits

Noland R. Durnell, P.E.

Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:43 AM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Chronic Lympocitic Leukemia Dear Noland: Do you still feel great on LDN? My WBC level is now at 146.0 (B-CLL). When it was about 40 I could still do running for 2 or 3 miles. Now I´m pretty weak, 2.6 RBC only. Did you ever try epo (erythropoeitin)? Did you feel improvements after the blood transfusion on Wednesday? I refuse chemo. I follow a protocol by Dana Flavin-König, MD AND biochemist. If interested, I mail you details. Interestingly, she mentioned hydrogen peroxide helps destroying bad cells. Have a good day,Klaus